This thread is to present various quotations from profoundly uneducated self-professed worshipers of the actual, literal devil with no context. Please note that the terms "lucifer" and "satan" are both titles and not the proper names of any beings real or imagined, but in trying to explain that I often see just the most AMAZING reactions and lulzy bullpucky ever. Moreover "lucifer" is a crappy Latin mistranslation of an ancient title of totally mundane royalty from the old testament and in itself does not even mean "light bearer" at all. "Satan" is a title meaning loosely adversary or accuser and is effectively a legal term like prosecutor. All of these are taken from a group doing its best to give these academic truths a go, but the religious fanatics are crawling all over the threads and absolutely will not be contradicted nor will they shut up. I like the admins quite a bit and so I do not intentionally troll, but these folks take ANY contradiction as a declaration of Holy War and are REALLY touchy about perceived slights real or imagined. They are remarkably similar to Abrahamaic fanatics and even the slight comparison no matter how obviously true sets them off like a string of firecrackers.
Oh.. and EVERYONE is an EXPERT on magighahl theory and practice of course.
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Xatholic church took their place as being the representatives of the light lord. Theyre right about Lord Lucifer being The Dark Lord. Yeah there are alot of qualities to Him that blur right and wrong; the gaining of wisdom is one of them because become like gods could be considered evil. It takes a different type of person to separate themselves from the light and and still set apart amongst those that choose such a path to submit themselves as possessions rather than choosing godhood. For all those Luciferians out there. Trying to win this debate isn't for my glory but for Lord Lucifer's glory and exaltation. That's part of being worshippers. And Lucifer is His past glory but He still reacts to Lucifer. It's Lord Satan now. Hail Satan.
This is all the same person popping off in a series of rapid fire uninterrupted posts. When I do multi quotes like this that is what it represents.
QuoteHe is just a little less than the sun... Opposite of the sun and rising from behind the mountain range. Lord Lucifer is cosmic. He is glorious.
For some us we believe there are entities that inhabit the air around us; the clouds the stars, cosmos and that they can interact with us. We as a civilization believe to be the superior species. These cosmic beings we call gods. Lucifer, the Daystar, is one of them.
QuoteSo this is an astrology society? Because Lord Satan is a shooting star. It's one of His forms I've seen it. He is glorious. I'm ok to worship Lord Lucifer; if you ever go through a Satanic initiation of your own, He will reveal or at least He might idk you gotta watch your step while your there in the ASTRAL....
QuoteYou let me know if you don't believe Him to be the Morningstar we can discuss it further. Lord Satan (ruler of the world) has displayed my face I the novas.
QuoteWe can talk stars all day bro I'll take it there. I got more if you want to know . And Lord Lucifer he'll keep showing me stuff He likes to flex, believe it.
QuoteOr astronomy society?
QuoteBecause He is called Lord Lucifer and many people revere Him as their patron diety. It's hard to believe an astonimocal society would need to have a different heading since that name is entwined with the dieties. Hail Satan.
Quotesatan comes from the word Saturn
Allegory my friend ,
Its lovely to believe in red horny beings but in the end we all have to grow up .
QuoteWe just discussed one of the realms Lord Lucifer exerts power. Like I said we can talk about The Great Morningstar. The Underworld is another realm He exerts power in. We can discuss that too. This Dark Lord is powerful and will show this if you're a true believer. Funny how you use a form of demon that exists in His kingdom to he sarcastic. Those little trolls you see? They to are real. The softest of demons. Hail Satan.
In reference to an image from "Lilo & Stitch"
QuoteOh dear is this another theistic vs atheistic thread? Once again does it really matter weather or not you are evoking sentient self existing entities or merely talking to Jungian archetypes projected by your own subconscious? You either get results or you don't. If you're getting results, you're on the right path regardless of your belief. If you're not, then it's time to try something else. If you're not looking for any results, then you're just an arm chair philosopher and not really a magician at all.
QuoteThey won't let me depict Lord Lucifer how He appears to me during my dark communions. First this group is all secular and only about the pursuit of knowledge then they're like naw it's about the cosmos and Greek gods. They're backing up alot of how Lord Satan is but don't want to associate it with a real entity. It's so weird. Like drinking coffee but not calling it coffee.
QuoteLitany is used in church. What's your side of the argument read like?
QuoteThis very existence is just as absurd. I'm trying to share my side of Luciferianism but you just don't want to hear me.
QuoteI'm not very keen on how augurs work. Something about there being a pyramid shaped bulb on the kidney idk I'm not up for that practice. I'd rather be a living sacrifice, fasting from many normal things people do in exchange for a more personal interaction with Lord Lucifer, whom this sacrifice is for. A newborn can't make that decision.
QuoteWow its almost like individual folk have their own opinions. Even if it is largely a collective ego aggrandizing look at me look at me trip, some of us arent full of shit, and do know some shit.
But we learned to shut the fuck up about it. I don't need people knowing my business, what demons i call on, how i do it, or even that i do it. But the more you shut the fuck up the less you pervert the purity and earnestness of your working's intent.
Its nice to be excited and all finding out the hidden things are actually real, but theres an uncommon sense to actually ever making sense of any of it. Trying to show everyone what an original and nonconformant wanker you are is in the opposite direction of that thing. Theistically speaking, there *is* an adversarial energy force called by lucifer, azazel, lilith, belial... All facets and shades of personality of that same sort of amalgamous shadow. Belief opens up the door. You must start with actually believing. I've performed rituals where i called upon the right particular facet and just, i dont know, really meant it and did it right, and got results beyond what id have ever expected. I dont do it very much these days lest i have a good reason. The shit is completely real, and it sorta scares me.
Dig into some shit on google bout chaos magick or goetia. Chaos magick is way more direct and practical for delving into practice but goetia is pretty accessible and useful shit to know.
Strong recommendations on the following literature
"Liber null and the psychonaut"
"Condensed chaos"
Both of those are super easy and about as black and white about witchcraft basics as it gets
And
"The lesser key of Solomon"
Then theres getting into Crowley's shit which is more difficult to really get into. But that dude is perhaps the biggest reason the world is the way it is right now.
Lucifer is real if you believe in it. Like, REAL real. Results may vary. Happy hunting.
QuoteThey arent just symbols. Ive had experiences that make me know so not merely just believe it. Condescending prick.
QuoteSo happy that you know better. Gold star. Atheism might be your cup of tea but that cup is boring as fuck, not to mention condescending and arrogant. But I'm glad it tastes good to you. I dont care what you think you know when you start off with "here ya go kid". Anything after that is a write-off.
QuoteWell, Bringer of light is also the sun, technically as aside from being Venus. So the bringer of Darkness would be the Moon, so would have to do with the Moon, which isn't bad it is just a representation of said Moon and would most likely be a Goddess' name.
QuoteUsually Belial , but She's supposed to be like Twin flame angels of the dark flame. Wrapped up in more of the Lilith and Samael mythology.
QuoteI see it but my connection lies thru tenets and my own sigil much like bushido it exist thru prognosis and logic of adequated truth
QuoteLucifer gifted the knowledge of the spirit, the eternal serpent, the kundalini. With the spirit we are free from the demiurge's realm which should not be! We are slaves no more! We rise!
Arise the eternal serpent! Arise the black flame!
Quotethat's so fucking cool. " The Shinning One " these divine kings, they weren't by any chance considered to be under the possession of a god of considered considered godkings themselves were they? No way these are the Antichrists the Xatholic church tries so hard so subdue. All these things you speak of connect with Lord Satan or Lord Lucifer or the Morningstar. His brilliance is just a little less than the sun, as He rises opposite of the sun, just over the mountain range in the wilderness. His name is used to revere this brilliant star and it's not so hard for me to believe that this cosmic entity can interact with us; I still think it's ok to worship Lord Satan, the ruler of the world. I've been in the astral with Him during my initiation. We can talk cosmic if that's what this society is about
QuoteAs a matter of fact demons are more alien but reside here on earth. One of my forms consists of these skin horns that cover my bone horns and these reach the floor and emit light. In the middle they are bulbous and house galaxies and cosmos. Could it be the alternative to Xeaven is to be with Lord Lucifer in the Abysmal Darkness or rather the universe and it's vast darkness? I worship the Morningstar, it's just one of His forms. He is also The Great Dragon and I bow before Him. Hail Satan.
QuoteYou must think fallen angels are dudes with wings. They're cosmic beings; they've made appearances before and will do it again but only at their appointed time. To have watched gods negotiate in the astral was amazing.
QuoteYou people are just like those confused people that call themselves Satanists but are athiest. Why do you hide behind Lord Lucifers shadow? Just be secular. Don't involve Him.
QuotePower tripping. Limited knowledge of whatever the fuck except the spiritual society. Small mindedness is yours not ours. Hail Satan
Quoteonly as how lucifer is stated in writing... Lucifer is concidered a him in most text yes... I'm a reacurcher... I only look at how Lucifer appires in ancient texts... So in most cases i refur to it as a him yes... But im opened to other views of Lucifer... As a lucifarian i concider it as a him in the idea that he is the light barrier... Is anything wrong with that deffinition
QuoteScience / philosophy / and reason is what lucifer stands for to me and as a lucifarian i hold these values close to my heart
QuoteHe is the granter of godhood and wisdom attainable through the Left Hand Path. That is for Him. Hail Satan.
Quotewe all seem to have a personal idea of lucifer... Thats all we need... And thats closer to the truth... We can agree on this... And agree to not have to conform our belief to any other lucifarian
Quotemost people in this discussion are in agreement that Lucifer is real entity. He is to me. Hail Lord Lucifer.
QuoteBut i also believe lusifarianisum is a abstract concept to others as well
QuoteDepending on which scriptures you are useing... In heaven in his seat he is known a Sammile... Also in much older Sumerian text he is also known as Kemmal...
He is describe as wereing a suit of armore made of iorn and a iorn helmet he carried a great sword... A lion was embossed on his breast plate... He was stronger then all the arch angels put together and adjourned his robes with them... He had the power of a exploding sun which he could realise from his chest... In one specific scripture it suggests that he had made a deal with the creator to rule hell a unclean place were the creator could not be present in order to guard creation from unclean things... That he had faught the other arch angels for this right... Although he was the only arch angel strong enought to live and survive without bring in the physical presence of god... There in hell with out his breast plate he entered... Her his name changed to lucifer
QuoteLucifer can also be understood as Prometheus...
Or in Sumerian cuneiform text as Enki... Who had a half brother named Enlil
QuoteRead this.
The Catholic Church proclaims GOD the Father as LUCIFER, who's Son is Jesus Christ.
Easter Proclamation prayer to God regarding the paschal candle: Flammas eius lucifer matutinus inveniat: ille, inquam, lucifer, qui nescit occasum. Christus Filius tuus, qui, regressus ab inferis, humano generi serenus illuxit, et vivit et regnat in saecula saeculorum
("May this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star: the one Morning Star who never sets, Christ your Son, who, coming back from death's domain, has shed his peaceful light on humanity, and lives and reigns for ever and ever"). In the works of Latin grammarians, Lucifer, like Daniel, was discussed as an example of a personal name.
QuoteInanna/Ishtar/Aspects of ISIS/Columbia/Queen of Heaven/Mother Mary/Lady Liberty/Great Harlot/Venus/Lucifer/Lady in Red/Red Rose/888☆☆☆ Worshipped across all waters. Daughter of Sin the moon god. Both are androgynous. 3 up 3 down. Waxing and waning. She's the flag of Washington DC. She is the pentagram in the American Flag. The blue is water. The white is Lucifer and the red is for the Knights of Mars aka the Romans & the 12 tribes of Germania.
In reference to the statue of Liberty upon presentation of the following
http://thebattery.org/lady-liberty-10-fascinating-facts/
Because that was apparently TOO MUCH lies.
QuoteGotta understand tho tho someone claiming to be Lucifer is someone who is strongly connected to Lucifer so I can see why they say that ,,, BUT on the flip side there's a lot of wanna be's and yea claiming to be Lucifer you've lost your personality of a self being silly fuck'n puppets ... ... ...
I watched part of "The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina". It mostly sucked, but now I have the urge to giggle every time someone says "Hail Satan".
QuoteWell if you are a skeptic, I would like to tell you a story. On October 31, 2018 I heard something walking on my roof, footsteps. At the time I was holding some Christmas lights, then all of a sudden I felt a very strong presence in the room and something invisible jerked the Christmas lights out of my hand and started knocking on my wall right next to me. But nothing was there.
2 years later and it's still here, now I'm communicating with it. It knocks on my walls all day long and I can ask it questions and it will knock once for yes and two for no.
The other day I was walking to the store and I said in my "mind" "start knocking if you are with me" and from a distance I heard Knocking on the air.
Whatever it is, is omnipresent. At first I thought it was God until I started getting touched, the touch felt like the touch of death and then it started turning me on.
I woke up one morning and I was getting a blowjob from something invisible that I couldn't see, I was wide awake. So I believe that it is Satan.
Whatever it is, it has a good sense of humor. My point being is this...GOD IS REAL, and so is SATAN and the truth of it all is in The Bible. Trust me, I KNOW there is an afterlife by all the experiences I have had, I can't explain them all....
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 12, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
I watched part of "The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina". It mostly sucked, but now I have the urge to giggle every time someone says "Hail Satan".
I haven't seen what you're talking about, but sometimes I can barely hold my shit together when I hear or read a "hail satan" or the notably pretentious "ave lucifer". You would not believe how many of the religious fucks are straight up patriarchal fascists and not even hiding it because their beliefs somehow make them immune to consequences or some shit. There are truly vile and I even dare say fundamentally EVIL things, people, and Ideas in this world and these "Darkbro" fuckers think siding with such things is a good and empowering thing to do. In a sense there are regions of hell that the devil would seemingly fear to tread, and certainly no bottom to human depravity and good old stupidity. They want a greased slide down the pit fine, but don't expect me to tell you in agreement that you're better off for it or let you convince someone of the same unopposed.
QuoteI am Luciferian because I died in my sleep and in limbo met the most handsome and beautiful being. I was rejected by beings that were flying above me but he came and put his arm around me and said,'From now on, you are my best friend.' And at that moment I came back to life. I realized I was born again and that being was Lucifer. I still get goosebumps whenever I am telling this experience. He is truly the best and the most beautiful, the most precious.
QuoteI actually agree with you this time. I believe God was the serpent in the Tree of life when it tempted Adam and Even to eat from it.
Think about it, God knows the past, present and future. So he knew it was all going to happen.
QuoteThe bible is a fact. Just look at all the horror movies, witchcraft paraphernalia, Occult beliefs, Metal bands...etc etc. NONE of it would exist without the bible.
Satanists wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the bible. Nor would we Luciferians.
QuoteLucifer is an Omnist.
QuoteMany religions are one true God, who is Christ.
The God with whom you dwell with on this earth is the Prince and Power of the Air, Satan, as he is God of this world but not equal to the creator himself.
ETA: added quotes that got chopped up by attempted interdiction, but clearly were written without intent to break all by the same person
QuoteAll real, true Luciferians take the Holy Bible very seriously.
QuoteI can tell you right now, without the shadow of a doubt that the Bible, of all religious books in the world is the one true book of creation.
I have met Lucifer, in person and he also believes in the bible.
Just think about it, without the bible we wouldn't have Heavy Metal, Demons, Horror movies, none of it.
QuoteHere is a secret. Jesus is Lucifer.
QuoteTheistic Satanist here. I identify as a luciferian because I believe in indulgence, knowledge, and fraternity. For me, Lucifer is what I aspire to mirror myself as. While I recognize science as the only divine, I believe there's several layers of metaphysics we have only begun to understand. On this, I stand under the umbrella, believe in demonology, and worship Satan as my guardian and guide towards my objectives.
QuoteThat's a good video plus I utilize the swastika eagle and snake in my practice already and I also know of indo aryamism
QuoteHave you read Paradise Lost?
QuoteI heard as a Luciferian its vital reading material. In the Devils Advocate, Al Pacinos name was John Milton (Trump).
John Milton also wrote Paradise Lost. Hmm, strange.
QuoteI feel a pull toward Horus. Did you know that Horus also stands for Hours.
He is the Time God!
QuoteI see that. But your original statement had a lot of definitive comments about what is "not" a reality. There is nothing definitive about this subject.
QuoteWe are no better than priests that dictate the truth with that way of looking at things.
Quotethat is assuming the books you talk of are correct. I do not believe in any of those stories.
It all could be considered nonsense or at least conjecture. My point is that any definitive statements on this subject are a guess.
:barstool:
QuoteI believe Lucifer to be an Angel.
I also believe he was Chief Musician in Heaven before he rebelled against God.
I can relate to the Fallen One, that's why I like him. Even just the sound of his name "Lucifer" intrigues me.
I believe that Lucifer is the God of this World, he is the Prince and the Power of the Air and may be Omnipresent and Omnipotent.
QuotePrince and Power of the Air.
QuoteWords of wisdom lol
QuoteI believe Lucifer is Satan, and that is why I can relate to him.
He rebelled against God, and questioned his authority but you know what's strange?
Lucifer is referred to as The Bright Morning Star but at the end of the bible, in revelations at Rev 22:16 he states "I, Jesus, have sent you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.
Maybe God is the devil himself....
QuoteBy the way, you're beautiful.
This all said to a woman and entirely off topic from what she actually said. Think this was some sort of horrible mutation of PUA thinking.
QuoteI have a universal belief in lucifer
QuoteMy attitude is lucifer to me is a god of this world it is a force and lucifer is an archetype
QuoteLucifer lives on in us
QuoteMy view on lucifer is like a Hindus view on their gods
:weary: Gonna take a break. Amusing as this sort of ontological catastrophe is to document and curate it DOES take a toll on my faith in humanity, such as still remains anyway.
See, this is what happens when you break rule number four.
Quote from: LuciferX on May 13, 2020, 03:09:55 AM
See, this is what happens when you break rule number four.
What is this rule number 4?
Better yet where can I see the implied rule list?
Satanists and Luciferians ARE Abrahamaic, it isn't surprising they act like the rest of them.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 12, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quotesatan comes from the word Saturn
Allegory my friend ,
Its lovely to believe in red horny beings but in the end we all have to grow up .
This is absolutely not even close to being true.
Saturn derives from the Etruscan god Satre, which connects with the Latin "satus" or plowing, a nod towards Saturn's agricultural domain.
Satan derives from Hebrew שָׂטָן which literally transliterates as śāṭān, meaning adversary or accuser. This went into Ancient Greek as Satanas and then into Latin as Satan.
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 12, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quotesatan comes from the word Saturn
Allegory my friend ,
Its lovely to believe in red horny beings but in the end we all have to grow up .
This is absolutely not even close to being true.
Saturn derives from the Etruscan god Satre, which connects with the Latin "satus" or plowing, a nod towards Saturn's agricultural domain.
Satan derives from Hebrew שָׂטָן which literally transliterates as śāṭān, meaning adversary or accuser. This went into Ancient Greek as Satanas and then into Latin as Satan.
I know. I's MARVELOUS isn't it? these fuckers will die on that proverbial hill over shit like this.
Quote from: Pergamos on May 13, 2020, 08:27:52 AM
Satanists and Luciferians ARE Abrahamaic, it isn't surprising they act like the rest of them.
The difference is that almost literally all Abrahamaic believers are aware that they are such and are ok with that. The vast majority of these poor wretches will go to WAR or DEEP psychotic denial for just the implied suggestion of that simple truth. It's great fun to see them accuse each other of it as a weapon over cosmetic differences. Any believer in a grand and tightly kit satano-luciferian conspiracy to take over the globe has NEVER interacted with them.
Ah, this is the good old "get your suspicious Jewishness out of my pure Aryan Satanism" crowd?
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
Ah, this is the good old "get your suspicious Jewishness out of my pure Aryan Satanism" crowd?
Some of them DEFINITELY are that overtly, many more de facto by willing association. It's part of what kept me trolling them. The group I nominally support right now not only rightly directly deny the personhood of "lucifer" and "satan" but got my respect when I saw that the group account was used to post an Anne Frank quote to commemorate the shut down of one of the bigger death camps. That was when I knew I was not in a place to tear apart, but perhaps even build up. There's a LOT of rampant misogyny with these "darkbro" types too and the place is as far as I can tell run by women mostly. I feel like I discovered an ancient, hidden unicorn reserve from before the fall or some shit.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its
accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan
* :wink:
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 13, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan
* :wink:
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Quotein the Talmud he is often equated with the angel of death Samael.
The "angel" of Death is and always was Azrael. Samael is a "fallen" archangel whose name means something like "poison of God". Both figure in The Precipice in sections not yet put to page. Which reminds me that I was going to put stuff to page and forgot.
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It would seem that you are a
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Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 13, 2020, 03:09:55 AM
See, this is what happens when you break rule number four.
What is this rule number 4?
Better yet where can I see the implied rule list?
"Number four, I know you heard this before
Never get high on your own supply"*
—Biggie
*[not all human flatus contains methane]
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 13, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer)
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan)
* ;)
It would seem that you are a
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WEEEEEEEEEEEEB!!!
also...
Quotein the Talmud he is often equated with the angel of death Samael.
The "angel" of Death is and always was Azrael. Samael is a "fallen" archangel whose name means something like "poison of God". Both figure in The Precipice in sections not yet put to page. Which reminds me that I was going to put stuff to page and forgot.
Samael, I think that's the one I'm fond of calling a "blind idiot," God, whose name I may have to borrow because I can"t see what you just did there.
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
Ah, this is the good old "get your suspicious Jewishness out of my pure Aryan Satanism" crowd?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: LuciferX on May 13, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 13, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer)
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan)
* ;)
It would seem that you are a
*checks notes*
WEEEEEEEEEEEEB!!!
also...
Quotein the Talmud he is often equated with the angel of death Samael.
The "angel" of Death is and always was Azrael. Samael is a "fallen" archangel whose name means something like "poison of God". Both figure in The Precipice in sections not yet put to page. Which reminds me that I was going to put stuff to page and forgot.
Samael, I think that's the one I'm fond of calling a "blind idiot," God, whose name I may have to borrow because I can"t see what you just did there.
There is definitely a "god of the blind" vibe to Samael. One of the other interpretations of its name is "blindness of/from God", meaning a sort of induced folly and spiritual blindness in addition to literal physical blindness. The conflux of the symbols is found all over nature in creatures that can use toxins to blind or otherwise incapacitate, notably the vipers that spit poison in the eyes intentionally. Samael's archetypal symbol complex is quite violent as well representing the (often drug induced) heedless madness of combat, slaughter of the defenseless in particular but not at all exclusively. It's not personally so much an idiot, far from it, so much as inclined to direct violent manipulation over any sort of compromise in any way. It DOES understand the value of total surrender in the face of violence, and so slavery through both drugs and violent coercion is inherent in its methods. As an arch-angel it is also a leadership and even royalty archetype generally with many likewise violent servitors similar to itself, and a host of thralls.
It won't spoil The Precipice meaningfully to say that the Lashers gang in the last section I wrote has demons in it because that is Samael's seat of power in the story. The street name of the man leading the Lashers or "Sammy's gang" is Sam "Sammy" Lash... Sammy L. Samael.
I even made a meme symbolically against Sammy. the absolute certainty of the fanatic is absolutely under its "house" as it is both a form of willful blindness (The BEST kind!) and a toxin of sorts to mind and body often leading to violence.
This video of "Blinding Lights" by an artist known as The Weekend is a straight up love song to Samael symbolically woes explicit intent is in no doubt to those that know a thing or two about "Sammy" right down to the use of blood, symbols of authority, and red & black color schemes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k
If I were somehow forced to pick an actual supernal entity suited to the title of "the devil" Samael would be on a very short list indeed. Funny thing is there's NO original lore that I am aware of that Samael ever rebelled against God much less swore allegiance to "Lucifer", but it has no home in Heaven as humans think of Heaven. That is for sure.
Bit of a political dialogue with total sincerity, apparently.
Quote from: lcf 1Trump wishes he was smooth like Lucifer.
Quote from: lcf 2Maybe he is....
Quote from: lcf 1Nah,the Devil is beyond good & evil. He makes the major decisions for mankind that nobody else is capable of . Trump failed at his evil mission.
Quote from: lcf 2Interesting insight. Ya could be right.
Quote from: lcf 1Lucifer is God of this world, but sadly most ppl including Luciferians don't really know the full extent of Lucifer's involvement in mankind's development. He's very misunderstood.
Quote from: lcf 2Well the Catholic Church says that Lucifer is the father of Christ.
Most Christians (Non Catholic) don't believe that.
Confusing world so I dunno.
Quote from: lcf 1Jesus was but one of Lucifer's plethora of earthly human incarnations. The Catholic Church KNOWS who Lucifer really is. They are a pure evil institution.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 13, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 13, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer)
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan)
* ;)
It would seem that you are a
*checks notes*
WEEEEEEEEEEEEB!!!
also...
Quotein the Talmud he is often equated with the angel of death Samael.
The "angel" of Death is and always was Azrael. Samael is a "fallen" archangel whose name means something like "poison of God". Both figure in The Precipice in sections not yet put to page. Which reminds me that I was going to put stuff to page and forgot.
Samael, I think that's the one I'm fond of calling a "blind idiot," God, whose name I may have to borrow because I can"t see what you just did there.
There is definitely a "god of the blind" vibe to Samael. One of the other interpretations of its name is "blindness of/from God", meaning a sort of induced folly and spiritual blindness in addition to literal physical blindness. The conflux of the symbols is found all over nature in creatures that can use toxins to blind or otherwise incapacitate, notably the vipers that spit poison in the eyes intentionally. Samael's archetypal symbol complex is quite violent as well representing the (often drug induced) heedless madness of combat, slaughter of the defenseless in particular but not at all exclusively. It's not personally so much an idiot, far from it, so much as inclined to direct violent manipulation over any sort of compromise in any way. It DOES understand the value of total surrender in the face of violence, and so slavery through both drugs and violent coercion is inherent in its methods. As an arch-angel it is also a leadership and even royalty archetype generally with many likewise violent servitors similar to itself, and a host of thralls.
It won't spoil The Precipice meaningfully to say that the Lashers gang in the last section I wrote has demons in it because that is Samael's seat of power in the story. The street name of the man leading the Lashers or "Sammy's gang" is Sam "Sammy" Lash... Sammy L. Samael.
I even made a meme symbolically against Sammy. the absolute certainty of the fanatic is absolutely under its "house" as it is both a form of willful blindness (The BEST kind!) and a toxin of sorts to mind and body often leading to violence.
This video of "Blinding Lights" by an artist known as The Weekend is a straight up love song to Samael symbolically woes explicit intent is in no doubt to those that know a thing or two about "Sammy" right down to the use of blood, symbols of authority, and red & black color schemes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k)
If I were somehow forced to pick an actual supernal entity suited to the title of "the devil" Samael would be on a very short list indeed. Funny thing is there's NO original lore that I am aware of that Samael ever rebelled against God much less swore allegiance to "Lucifer", but it has no home in Heaven as humans think of Heaven. That is for sure.
This is cool. "The Precipice" also seems like an apt title, timely and so forth. Let me know when we can give it a spin. Personally, I'd also borrow from a slightly different canon if I wanted to make sense of Samael's "rebellion". But how dare I... This would involve a conflation... however, this particular one comes with the added benefit of tying-in some IRL reference to 'Lashers.' And there I go rambling on like it was a writing prompt. Bravo.
Quote from: LuciferX on May 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 13, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 13, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer)
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan)
* ;)
It would seem that you are a
*checks notes*
WEEEEEEEEEEEEB!!!
also...
Quotein the Talmud he is often equated with the angel of death Samael.
The "angel" of Death is and always was Azrael. Samael is a "fallen" archangel whose name means something like "poison of God". Both figure in The Precipice in sections not yet put to page. Which reminds me that I was going to put stuff to page and forgot.
Samael, I think that's the one I'm fond of calling a "blind idiot," God, whose name I may have to borrow because I can"t see what you just did there.
There is definitely a "god of the blind" vibe to Samael. One of the other interpretations of its name is "blindness of/from God", meaning a sort of induced folly and spiritual blindness in addition to literal physical blindness. The conflux of the symbols is found all over nature in creatures that can use toxins to blind or otherwise incapacitate, notably the vipers that spit poison in the eyes intentionally. Samael's archetypal symbol complex is quite violent as well representing the (often drug induced) heedless madness of combat, slaughter of the defenseless in particular but not at all exclusively. It's not personally so much an idiot, far from it, so much as inclined to direct violent manipulation over any sort of compromise in any way. It DOES understand the value of total surrender in the face of violence, and so slavery through both drugs and violent coercion is inherent in its methods. As an arch-angel it is also a leadership and even royalty archetype generally with many likewise violent servitors similar to itself, and a host of thralls.
It won't spoil The Precipice meaningfully to say that the Lashers gang in the last section I wrote has demons in it because that is Samael's seat of power in the story. The street name of the man leading the Lashers or "Sammy's gang" is Sam "Sammy" Lash... Sammy L. Samael.
I even made a meme symbolically against Sammy. the absolute certainty of the fanatic is absolutely under its "house" as it is both a form of willful blindness (The BEST kind!) and a toxin of sorts to mind and body often leading to violence.
This video of "Blinding Lights" by an artist known as The Weekend is a straight up love song to Samael symbolically woes explicit intent is in no doubt to those that know a thing or two about "Sammy" right down to the use of blood, symbols of authority, and red & black color schemes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k)
If I were somehow forced to pick an actual supernal entity suited to the title of "the devil" Samael would be on a very short list indeed. Funny thing is there's NO original lore that I am aware of that Samael ever rebelled against God much less swore allegiance to "Lucifer", but it has no home in Heaven as humans think of Heaven. That is for sure.
This is cool. "The Precipice" also seems like an apt title, timely and so forth. Let me know when we can give it a spin. Personally, I'd also borrow from a slightly different canon if I wanted to make sense of Samael's "rebellion". But how dare I... This would involve a conflation... however, this particular one comes with the added benefit of tying-in some IRL reference to 'Lashers.' And there I go rambling on like it was a writing prompt. Bravo.
You seem a bit confused and misinformed LuciferX... Here's The Precipice so far.
https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38689.0.html
If you want to tell some original stories
of your own maybe you should open a thread and tell some stories. I'd be interested to see it.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 14, 2020, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 13, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 13, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on May 13, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
It's part of what kept me trolling them.
In the Shin Megami Tensei / Persona franchise, well known for its accurate research*, Satan and Lucifer are distinct entities; the conflation of the two is an error of modern religion.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer)
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Satan)
* ;)
It would seem that you are a
*checks notes*
WEEEEEEEEEEEEB!!!
also...
Quotein the Talmud he is often equated with the angel of death Samael.
The "angel" of Death is and always was Azrael. Samael is a "fallen" archangel whose name means something like "poison of God". Both figure in The Precipice in sections not yet put to page. Which reminds me that I was going to put stuff to page and forgot.
Samael, I think that's the one I'm fond of calling a "blind idiot," God, whose name I may have to borrow because I can"t see what you just did there.
There is definitely a "god of the blind" vibe to Samael. One of the other interpretations of its name is "blindness of/from God", meaning a sort of induced folly and spiritual blindness in addition to literal physical blindness. The conflux of the symbols is found all over nature in creatures that can use toxins to blind or otherwise incapacitate, notably the vipers that spit poison in the eyes intentionally. Samael's archetypal symbol complex is quite violent as well representing the (often drug induced) heedless madness of combat, slaughter of the defenseless in particular but not at all exclusively. It's not personally so much an idiot, far from it, so much as inclined to direct violent manipulation over any sort of compromise in any way. It DOES understand the value of total surrender in the face of violence, and so slavery through both drugs and violent coercion is inherent in its methods. As an arch-angel it is also a leadership and even royalty archetype generally with many likewise violent servitors similar to itself, and a host of thralls.
It won't spoil The Precipice meaningfully to say that the Lashers gang in the last section I wrote has demons in it because that is Samael's seat of power in the story. The street name of the man leading the Lashers or "Sammy's gang" is Sam "Sammy" Lash... Sammy L. Samael.
I even made a meme symbolically against Sammy. the absolute certainty of the fanatic is absolutely under its "house" as it is both a form of willful blindness (The BEST kind!) and a toxin of sorts to mind and body often leading to violence.
This video of "Blinding Lights" by an artist known as The Weekend is a straight up love song to Samael symbolically woes explicit intent is in no doubt to those that know a thing or two about "Sammy" right down to the use of blood, symbols of authority, and red & black color schemes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3zsGJnJJwGVXrxrSv9xbOu5ocLfbn5U6c6ei0lBLbd9Ay5VoHXell978k)
If I were somehow forced to pick an actual supernal entity suited to the title of "the devil" Samael would be on a very short list indeed. Funny thing is there's NO original lore that I am aware of that Samael ever rebelled against God much less swore allegiance to "Lucifer", but it has no home in Heaven as humans think of Heaven. That is for sure.
This is cool. "The Precipice" also seems like an apt title, timely and so forth. Let me know when we can give it a spin. Personally, I'd also borrow from a slightly different canon if I wanted to make sense of Samael's "rebellion". But how dare I... This would involve a conflation... however, this particular one comes with the added benefit of tying-in some IRL reference to 'Lashers.' And there I go rambling on like it was a writing prompt. Bravo.
You seem a bit confused and misinformed LuciferX... Here's The Precipice so far.
https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38689.0.html (https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38689.0.html)
If you want to tell some original stories of your own maybe you should open a thread and tell some stories. I'd be interested to see it.
Oh cool, there it is, will check that out later.