"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Did he actually say that? :lulz: I love that man.
It works the same way they can call Santa Clause a "jolly old elf" and "the spirit of giving" yet picture him as a six foot four fatass Coca-ColaTM shill. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Emphasized for truth.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Let's consult the relevant lines, here:
Rudolf the red nosed reindeer/
had a very shiny nose
and if you ever saw it
you could even say it glowed.The first observation is, indeed of reflectivity, but on closer scrutiny, it has some low level of bioluminescence. Many such natural lights are barely discernable under less than idea conditions. The blue ghost firefly (Phausis reticulata) has a very dim yet continuous light, not at all visible during twilight but spectacularly visible under dark conditions, especially in fog, where they look like will 'o the wisps. Such bioluminescent organs are reflective under normal lighting conditions.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Let's consult the relevant lines, here:
Rudolf the red nosed reindeer/
had a very shiny nose
and if you ever saw it
you could even say it glowed.
The first observation is, indeed of reflectivity, but on closer scrutiny, it has some low level of bioluminescence. Many such natural lights are barely discernable under less than idea conditions. The blue ghost firefly (Phausis reticulata) has a very dim yet continuous light, not at all visible during twilight but spectacularly visible under dark conditions, especially in fog, where they look like will 'o the wisps. Such bioluminescent organs are reflective under normal lighting conditions.
My ass is never reflective, but it glows. Oh, yes.
We can infer, then, that while Rudolph's nose utilizes and re-directs Holy Light tm, but is not actually a generating source. These verses were added after a certain red triplane buzzed Santa's shop screaming about heretics.
Nobody ever wrote the song "Don't argue theology with a drunken Baron" though.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Let's consult the relevant lines, here:
Rudolf the red nosed reindeer/
had a very shiny nose
and if you ever saw it
you could even say it glowed.
The first observation is, indeed of reflectivity, but on closer scrutiny, it has some low level of bioluminescence. Many such natural lights are barely discernable under less than idea conditions. The blue ghost firefly (Phausis reticulata) has a very dim yet continuous light, not at all visible during twilight but spectacularly visible under dark conditions, especially in fog, where they look like will 'o the wisps. Such bioluminescent organs are reflective under normal lighting conditions.
But does a blue ghost firefly emit enough light to act as a guide in dense fog and/or blizzard conditions? :fap:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 26, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Let's consult the relevant lines, here:
Rudolf the red nosed reindeer/
had a very shiny nose
and if you ever saw it
you could even say it glowed.
The first observation is, indeed of reflectivity, but on closer scrutiny, it has some low level of bioluminescence. Many such natural lights are barely discernable under less than idea conditions. The blue ghost firefly (Phausis reticulata) has a very dim yet continuous light, not at all visible during twilight but spectacularly visible under dark conditions, especially in fog, where they look like will 'o the wisps. Such bioluminescent organs are reflective under normal lighting conditions.
But does a blue ghost firefly emit enough light to act as a guide in dense fog and/or blizzard conditions? :fap:
No, but they are decidedly /smaller/ than a reindeer's nose.
Exhibit 1:
(http://bugguide.net/images/cache/Q0W0R090DQ7QNRLQJRMQVRHQ9R40S0XQORJKNRG0CQFKFQJKAR3KOQ3KARYK9RM0CQM03QG0OQYKJQI0ARRQBR50WR.jpg)
Phausis reticulata, ventral view. 5-8 mm long. Note the shiny (yet not luminous) organ on the abdomen.
Exhibit 2: (http://www.mtevanstroutfishing.com/assets/reindeer-nose-closeup.jpg)
Reindeer nose, anterior view. ~2-3 cm. Note: not Rudolf.
As you can see, the size of a reindeer's nose is several times that of a blue ghost firefly, not to mention only a small portion of that firefly is bioluminescent. QED.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 26, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Let's consult the relevant lines, here:
Rudolf the red nosed reindeer/
had a very shiny nose
and if you ever saw it
you could even say it glowed.
The first observation is, indeed of reflectivity, but on closer scrutiny, it has some low level of bioluminescence. Many such natural lights are barely discernable under less than idea conditions. The blue ghost firefly (Phausis reticulata) has a very dim yet continuous light, not at all visible during twilight but spectacularly visible under dark conditions, especially in fog, where they look like will 'o the wisps. Such bioluminescent organs are reflective under normal lighting conditions.
But does a blue ghost firefly emit enough light to act as a guide in dense fog and/or blizzard conditions? :fap:
No, but they are decidedly /smaller/ than a reindeer's nose.
Exhibit 1:
(http://bugguide.net/images/cache/Q0W0R090DQ7QNRLQJRMQVRHQ9R40S0XQORJKNRG0CQFKFQJKAR3KOQ3KARYK9RM0CQM03QG0OQYKJQI0ARRQBR50WR.jpg)
Phausis reticulata, ventral view. 5-8 mm long. Note the shiny (yet not luminous) organ on the abdomen.
Exhibit 2: (http://www.mtevanstroutfishing.com/assets/reindeer-nose-closeup.jpg)
Reindeer nose, anterior view. ~2-3 cm. Note: not Rudolf.
As you can see, the size of a reindeer's nose is several times that of a blue ghost firefly, not to mention only a small portion of that firefly is bioluminescent. QED.
Yes, but the common firefly flies much slower than a reindeer, so perhaps the firefly CAN navigate in fog.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 08:37:21 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 26, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
"According to the song, Rudolph's nose is shiny, which means it reflects rather than emits light. Useless for navigating fog."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
It's true. But also says "you could even say it glowed". So, the nose not only reflected light, it emitted light. Thereby being useful both in bright sun and in fog.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLrwwOxnaA)
It states that his nose IS shiny, and COMPARES it to a glowing object.
Also, that video kicks ass. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a fucking TITAN.
Let's consult the relevant lines, here:
Rudolf the red nosed reindeer/
had a very shiny nose
and if you ever saw it
you could even say it glowed.
The first observation is, indeed of reflectivity, but on closer scrutiny, it has some low level of bioluminescence. Many such natural lights are barely discernable under less than idea conditions. The blue ghost firefly (Phausis reticulata) has a very dim yet continuous light, not at all visible during twilight but spectacularly visible under dark conditions, especially in fog, where they look like will 'o the wisps. Such bioluminescent organs are reflective under normal lighting conditions.
But does a blue ghost firefly emit enough light to act as a guide in dense fog and/or blizzard conditions? :fap:
No, but they are decidedly /smaller/ than a reindeer's nose.
Exhibit 1:
(http://bugguide.net/images/cache/Q0W0R090DQ7QNRLQJRMQVRHQ9R40S0XQORJKNRG0CQFKFQJKAR3KOQ3KARYK9RM0CQM03QG0OQYKJQI0ARRQBR50WR.jpg)
Phausis reticulata, ventral view. 5-8 mm long. Note the shiny (yet not luminous) organ on the abdomen.
Exhibit 2: (http://www.mtevanstroutfishing.com/assets/reindeer-nose-closeup.jpg)
Reindeer nose, anterior view. ~2-3 cm. Note: not Rudolf.
As you can see, the size of a reindeer's nose is several times that of a blue ghost firefly, not to mention only a small portion of that firefly is bioluminescent. QED.
Yes, but the common firefly flies much slower than a reindeer, so perhaps the firefly CAN navigate in fog.
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
When I get home tonight, I will offer a mathematical proof of my position. They fly, and faster than a firefly.
Another relevant line y'all are forgetting is within Santa's request:
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright..."
Rudolph's nose is not only shiny, and SEEMS to glow, but is BRIGHT, which specifically means giving off light.
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 26, 2012, 09:35:44 PM
Another relevant line y'all are forgetting is within Santa's request:
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright..."
Rudolph's nose is not only shiny, and SEEMS to glow, but is BRIGHT, which specifically means giving off light.
No, while that verse supports my position, it is irrelevant because reflected light can be bright. e.g. glare from water, etc.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Indeed. But perhaps there was only fog around the Pole. The poem is unclear. What /is/ clear, is that human settlement increases as one approaches 45N, so city lights would be far more helpful for navigation by that point.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Also, brightness depends on visible wavelengths. Since Santa is referred to as an "Elf," it is possible that his eyes are sensitive to wavelengths of light that Human eyes cannot detect - perhaps Rudolph's nose is merely "shiny" by Human standards, but does actually emit a powerful light in Elf-compatible frequencies.
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 26, 2012, 09:35:44 PM
Another relevant line y'all are forgetting is within Santa's request:
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright..."
Rudolph's nose is not only shiny, and SEEMS to glow, but is BRIGHT, which specifically means giving off light.
Subjective opinion. The omniscient narrator only offered the shiny part as stated fact.
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Also, brightness depends on visible wavelengths. Since Santa is referred to as an "Elf," it is possible that his eyes are sensitive to wavelengths of light that Human eyes cannot detect - perhaps Rudolph's nose is merely "shiny" by Human standards, but does actually emit a powerful light in Elf-compatible frequencies.
Ultraviolet, you mean? That would suggest why the glow was only visible under close scrutiny.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
When I get home tonight, I will offer a mathematical proof of my position. They fly, and faster than a firefly.
/Catapulted/ is not flight.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Also, brightness depends on visible wavelengths. Since Santa is referred to as an "Elf," it is possible that his eyes are sensitive to wavelengths of light that Human eyes cannot detect - perhaps Rudolph's nose is merely "shiny" by Human standards, but does actually emit a powerful light in Elf-compatible frequencies.
Ultraviolet, you mean? That would suggest why the glow was only visible under close scrutiny.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
When I get home tonight, I will offer a mathematical proof of my position. They fly, and faster than a firefly.
/Catapulted/ is not flight.
Jumping off of a cliff, however, IS. It is not efficient flight, nor are we discussing the technical difficulties presented in
landing, but there would be a slope that was bounded, so it's flight.
So, the firefly maxes out at about 8KM/hour.
The reindeer accelerates at 9.8 M/S^2, until terminal velocity (or the base of the cliff) is reached.
Reindeer are faster fliers.
Also, the path of a baseball is considered "flight". If you had a big enough bat...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Also, brightness depends on visible wavelengths. Since Santa is referred to as an "Elf," it is possible that his eyes are sensitive to wavelengths of light that Human eyes cannot detect - perhaps Rudolph's nose is merely "shiny" by Human standards, but does actually emit a powerful light in Elf-compatible frequencies.
Ultraviolet, you mean? That would suggest why the glow was only visible under close scrutiny.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
When I get home tonight, I will offer a mathematical proof of my position. They fly, and faster than a firefly.
/Catapulted/ is not flight.
Jumping off of a cliff, however, IS. It is not efficient flight, nor are we discussing the technical difficulties presented in landing, but there would be a slope that was bounded, so it's flight.
So, the firefly maxes out at about 8KM/hour.
The reindeer accelerates at 9.8 M/S^2, until terminal velocity (or the base of the cliff) is reached.
Reindeer are faster fliers.
This is still irrelevant. Light travels at C. The only thing that matters is if Rudolf's nose is luminous enough to avoid obstacles in heavy fog at that speed. It would seem, if you measure the volume of the nose and relevant surface area, the luminosity is plenty allowing for that increased speed.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 26, 2012, 09:35:44 PM
Another relevant line y'all are forgetting is within Santa's request:
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright..."
Rudolph's nose is not only shiny, and SEEMS to glow, but is BRIGHT, which specifically means giving off light.
No, while that verse supports my position, it is irrelevant because reflected light can be bright. e.g. glare from water, etc.
True, I was going by the dictionary definition of bright rather than the scientific use.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:39:05 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 26, 2012, 09:35:44 PM
Another relevant line y'all are forgetting is within Santa's request:
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright..."
Rudolph's nose is not only shiny, and SEEMS to glow, but is BRIGHT, which specifically means giving off light.
Subjective opinion. The omniscient narrator only offered the shiny part as stated fact.
This I realized, but thought I'd say it anyway. :lol:
Roger is just upset because after Rudolf returned from the Great Foggy Ride and was lauded as a hero, no one wanted to play reindeer games with the guy who claimed Rudolf's nose was only reflective, not luminous.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
Roger is just upset because after Rudolf returned from the Great Foggy Ride and was lauded as a hero, no one wanted to play reindeer games with the guy who claimed Rudolf's nose was only reflective, not luminous.
Neil deGrasse Tyson would kill them with one punch, if they tried that shit.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Also, brightness depends on visible wavelengths. Since Santa is referred to as an "Elf," it is possible that his eyes are sensitive to wavelengths of light that Human eyes cannot detect - perhaps Rudolph's nose is merely "shiny" by Human standards, but does actually emit a powerful light in Elf-compatible frequencies.
Ultraviolet, you mean? That would suggest why the glow was only visible under close scrutiny.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
When I get home tonight, I will offer a mathematical proof of my position. They fly, and faster than a firefly.
/Catapulted/ is not flight.
Jumping off of a cliff, however, IS. It is not efficient flight, nor are we discussing the technical difficulties presented in landing, but there would be a slope that was bounded, so it's flight.
So, the firefly maxes out at about 8KM/hour.
The reindeer accelerates at 9.8 M/S^2, until terminal velocity (or the base of the cliff) is reached.
Reindeer are faster fliers.
This is still irrelevant. Light travels at C. The only thing that matters is if Rudolf's nose is luminous enough to avoid obstacles in heavy fog at that speed. It would seem, if you measure the volume of the nose and relevant surface area, the luminosity is plenty allowing for that increased speed.
Even IF his nose glowed, it would cause other, insurmountable problems:
1. If it was bright enough, Rudolf would go blind.
2. Diffused light reflects back at you in fog, meaning they'd be worse off than if they had nothing, crash into a mountain, and die.
3. At the speeds necessary to maintain flight with fat guy and a billion toys in the sled, they would "overdrive the headlights". Mountain, death.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Brightness is relative. If you live at the North Pole and it's a few days after the winter solstice, ANY source of even the tiniest bit of light is going to seem bright, even if it's just Rudolf's nose reflecting the starlight.
But if it's foggy when they get to the Falklands, all of a sudden Santa's in a heap of trouble.
Also, brightness depends on visible wavelengths. Since Santa is referred to as an "Elf," it is possible that his eyes are sensitive to wavelengths of light that Human eyes cannot detect - perhaps Rudolph's nose is merely "shiny" by Human standards, but does actually emit a powerful light in Elf-compatible frequencies.
Ultraviolet, you mean? That would suggest why the glow was only visible under close scrutiny.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Reindeer can't fly. Note the complete lack of reference to flight in the lyrics.
When I get home tonight, I will offer a mathematical proof of my position. They fly, and faster than a firefly.
/Catapulted/ is not flight.
Jumping off of a cliff, however, IS. It is not efficient flight, nor are we discussing the technical difficulties presented in landing, but there would be a slope that was bounded, so it's flight.
So, the firefly maxes out at about 8KM/hour.
The reindeer accelerates at 9.8 M/S^2, until terminal velocity (or the base of the cliff) is reached.
Reindeer are faster fliers.
This is still irrelevant. Light travels at C. The only thing that matters is if Rudolf's nose is luminous enough to avoid obstacles in heavy fog at that speed. It would seem, if you measure the volume of the nose and relevant surface area, the luminosity is plenty allowing for that increased speed.
Even IF his nose glowed, it would cause other, insurmountable problems:
1. If it was bright enough, Rudolf would go blind.
2. Diffused light reflects back at you in fog, meaning they'd be worse off than if they had nothing, crash into a mountain, and die.
3. At the speeds necessary to maintain flight with fat guy and a billion toys in the sled, they would "overdrive the headlights". Mountain, death.
Pardon the intrusion, Roger, but your understanding of Santanic Physics seems somewhat lacking. To your points:
1. There is no scientific evidence that a Flying Reindeer's eyes are damaged by a Flying Reindeer's ultra-bright bioluminescent nose. While your assertion here
may be accurate, the burden of proof is on you.
2. This is true, except for points raised in Point 3.
3. While this is true for normal objects under normal conditions, there is no evidence that they apply to Santa. For example, since no one has ever filmed, photographed, or reliably been known to have witnessed Santa's flight, it is reasonable to assume that during his commute, Santa magically transforms to the size of an atom or smaller, along with his cargo. At this size, not only would the issue of fog become moot, but his smaller size and mass would allow for much greater speeds, possibly eliminating the "How does one jolly fat guy fit down every chimney on earth in one night" conundrum. Rudolph's bioluminescence in this scenario is obviously a metaphor for a kind of subspace warp field allowing the change in size, however, which may be another can of worms.
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
Inarguable proof if I ever saw it.
Well, now you've gone and bloody well bumped it off the page.
:crankey:
My bad.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I see now why you said you were giggling through making that. Love the extra touch in the upper right hand corner.
Well done, Reverend, it seems you have passed peer review. :lulz:
:lulz:
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 27, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I see now why you said you were giggling through making that. Love the extra touch in the upper right hand corner.
Well done, Reverend, it seems you have passed peer review. :lulz:
Everything works better with a diagram.
I should make more of them, on different subjects.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 27, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I see now why you said you were giggling through making that. Love the extra touch in the upper right hand corner.
Well done, Reverend, it seems you have passed peer review. :lulz:
Everything works better with a diagram.
I should make more of them, on different subjects.
Yes.
Or a map of the US. :lol:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 27, 2012, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 27, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I see now why you said you were giggling through making that. Love the extra touch in the upper right hand corner.
Well done, Reverend, it seems you have passed peer review. :lulz:
Everything works better with a diagram.
I should make more of them, on different subjects.
Yes.
Or a map of the US. :lol:
THISSS
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
Fantastic.
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 27, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I see now why you said you were giggling through making that. Love the extra touch in the upper right hand corner.
Well done, Reverend, it seems you have passed peer review. :lulz:
As a safety professional though, I feel TGRR has failed in not higlighting such features as :
A: the horn-based roll bar system
B: the self inflating emergency impact scrotum.
No reindeer would make Santa's team without these, by OSHA regs., and hence they must be taken into account in any scientific study of trajectory.
Quote from: Richter, Baron von on June 28, 2012, 02:40:43 AM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on June 27, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I see now why you said you were giggling through making that. Love the extra touch in the upper right hand corner.
Well done, Reverend, it seems you have passed peer review. :lulz:
As a safety professional though, I feel TGRR has failed in not higlighting such features as :
A: the horn-based roll bar system
B: the self inflating emergency impact scrotum.
No reindeer would make Santa's team without these, by OSHA regs., and hence they must be taken into account in any scientific study of trajectory.
That would be Tanuki[url].
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd5YNZKBI0Q)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 12:00:53 AM
Proof as earlier promised:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/shutup.jpg)
I had completely forgotten about this, and I should perhaps get back on diagramming truth.