So, a freind on FB wants to know why data mining is so bad, and is asking for documented instances where data mining has harmed an innocent person.
It's an interesting request -- on one hand, extrapolating that corporations and governments will exploit every piece of available information isn't that hard to do, but on the other hand, she's looking for evidence rather than hype, which should be encouraged.
I found one example of employers using FaceBook to make hiring decisions, but I know there's jucier stuff out there.
Anyone know of something juicy offhand?
Off the top of my head:
We'll there's the really obvious people getting arrested for posting on twitter during the Iranian elections.
There's the two white Florida college students who were arrested for making that stupid west side gang sign with their hands on facebook.
I'll look for links when I get home.
http://www2.sta.uwi.edu/~anikov/info1500/lectures/08-ITF-video-case-2-data-mining-for-terrorists-and-innocents.pdf
There were also the two Brits banned from America - for life - for using slang about their upcoming holiday on Twitter ("destroy")
The NSA comes to mind. And if I don't want them doing it, I sure don't want WalMart doing it.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
I thought this was common knowledge.
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.
Quote from: Faust on March 10, 2014, 03:57:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
I thought this was common knowledge.
:?
There's that "informed consent" thing they're always harping about in school.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.
They're pretty much the same thing.
You can slap control orders on stalkers.
Although I'd give a gold star to anyone who manages to put a control order on the NSA.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.
Data mining is a method of analysing massive repositories of
data and mapping correlations that would be impossible for a human to see.
Stalking is following a
person about. Cyberstalking is collecting information about someone, using the internet.
Datamining a person could be considered a form of stalking.
Datamining climate data could not be considered stalking
Datamining biological data could not be considered stalking
Finding planets which may support biological life could not be considered stalking
Datamining is science. Science can be used to stalk people.
So is science a bad thing?
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 04:05:31 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 10, 2014, 03:57:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
I thought this was common knowledge.
:?
There's that "informed consent" thing they're always harping about in school.
BOOO! Damn the puritanical ethics committee and their "informed consent" and their hearings, always standing in the way of progress.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.
Data mining is a method of analysing massive repositories of data and mapping correlations that would be impossible for a human to see.
Stalking is following a person about. Cyberstalking is collecting information about someone, using the internet.
Datamining a person could be considered a form of stalking.
Datamining climate data could not be considered stalking
Datamining biological data could not be considered stalking
Finding planets which may support biological life could not be considered stalking
Datamining is science. Science can be used to stalk people.
So is science a bad thing?
I think you are mixing up Big Data and data mining.
Big data is the type of thing SETI do. data mining is the kind of thing facebook do.
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
You're right, I was confused on the definition.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
WHAT IS THE LAW?
WE DO NOT OWN THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE AND
THEN RAGE QUIT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
WHAT IS THE LAW?
WE DO NOT OWN THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE AND THEN RAGE QUIT.
:evil:
Seriously, tho. Even within the narrow application of datamining personal information, I see the benefits totally outweighing the negatives but, as usual, a bunch of assholes have used it for nefarious purposes. If that's your argument against, then apply that same argument to pretty much every possible object or technology past present and future.
Consider this - one day you get an email from your GP -
Dear Roger - our datamining efforts show that you have been purchasing foodstuff-X. New research proves a high likelihood that one of the additives in this product carries a high risk of cancer in people who have your genotype. Please make an appointment at first available opportunity for screening and/or treatment.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 10, 2014, 03:42:41 PM
So, a freind on FB wants to know why data mining is so bad, and is asking for documented instances where data mining has harmed an innocent person.
So weird, I picked up from the context that we were talking about datamining
individual people.
Fuck context though, if we just get rid of it Pent is right, as usual.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
WHAT IS THE LAW?
WE DO NOT OWN THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE AND THEN RAGE QUIT.
:evil:
Seriously, tho. Even within the narrow application of datamining personal information, I see the benefits totally outweighing the negatives but, as usual, a bunch of assholes have used it for nefarious purposes. If that's your argument against, then apply that same argument to pretty much every possible object or technology past present and future.
Consider this - one day you get an email from your GP insurance carrier -
Dear Roger - our datamining efforts show that you have been purchasing foodstuff-X. New research proves a high likelihood that one of the additives in this product carries a high risk of cancer in people who have your genotype. Please make an appointment at first available opportunity for screening and/or treatment. Consequently, your rate is doubling effective immediately.
FTFY.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
WHAT IS THE LAW?
WE DO NOT OWN THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE AND THEN RAGE QUIT.
:evil:
Seriously, tho. Even within the narrow application of datamining personal information, I see the benefits totally outweighing the negatives but, as usual, a bunch of assholes have used it for nefarious purposes. If that's your argument against, then apply that same argument to pretty much every possible object or technology past present and future.
Consider this - one day you get an email from your GP -
Dear Roger - our datamining efforts show that you have been purchasing foodstuff-X. New research proves a high likelihood that one of the additives in this product carries a high risk of cancer in people who have your genotype. Please make an appointment at first available opportunity for screening and/or treatment.
Consider this - one day, the filth comes and kicks your fucking door in, drags you out by the ankles, beats you into submission and then throws you in a secret prison for terrorists.
They never tell you why.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Yeah, okay I'm out... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining)
WHAT IS THE LAW?
WE DO NOT OWN THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE AND THEN RAGE QUIT.
:evil:
Seriously, tho. Even within the narrow application of datamining personal information, I see the benefits totally outweighing the negatives but, as usual, a bunch of assholes have used it for nefarious purposes. If that's your argument against, then apply that same argument to pretty much every possible object or technology past present and future.
Consider this - one day you get an email from your GP -
Dear Roger - our datamining efforts show that you have been purchasing foodstuff-X. New research proves a high likelihood that one of the additives in this product carries a high risk of cancer in people who have your genotype. Please make an appointment at first available opportunity for screening and/or treatment.
Consider this - one day, the filth comes and kicks your fucking door in, drags you out by the ankles, beats you into submission and then throws you in a secret prison for terrorists.
They never tell you why.
Why bother? They could just shoot me with a gun. Guns are bad.
Right, then.
I know all the hypotheticals -- what my FB friend is asking for are IRL examples. A case where a purchasing history actually did raise their rates.
Oh! Wasn't there a guy who was detained because of his book purchasing history?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 10, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
I know all the hypotheticals -- what my FB friend is asking for are IRL examples. A case where a purchasing history actually did raise their rates.
Oh! Wasn't there a guy who was detained because of his book purchasing history?
Probably. I know I got stopped on every flight I took (which was, at the time, not a small amount) and searched extensively by airport security because I had the temerity to buy books about terrorism. Not terrorist manifestos or bomb-making manuals, but books on terrorism research.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
:stfu2:
It's a crypt locker.
:umad:
Don't know if this is quite relevant, but still a good story on data mining in general: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.
Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.
The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general
Scientists stalk people? That explains so much...
Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.
I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.
really? because they have two very different definitions, regardless of your personal feelings on data mining.
I get really annoyed every time an interesting conversation here is squelched because someone has a strong opinion about something tangentially related to the subject matter and proceeds to throw a wet blanket over the entire conversation by getting all morally indignant that other people want to explore a subject that doesn't meet their specific criteria of OK-ness.
I don't have a whole lot of free time these days. Interesting intellectual conversations are one of the main reasons I make time for PD. It would be nice if they were allowed to happen without some moralistic bullshit being puked all over them.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 06, 2014, 02:32:42 AM
Don't know if this is quite relevant, but still a good story on data mining in general: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
The Target statistics guy who creeped people the fuck out is a story worth studying. I think I read that in the NYT, but it's more relevant than ever:
QuoteIf we send someone a catalog and say, 'Congratulations on your first child!' and they've never told us they're pregnant, that's going to make some people uncomfortable," Pole told me. "We are very conservative about compliance with all privacy laws. But even if you're following the law, you can do things where people get queasy.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
I get really annoyed every time an interesting conversation here is squelched because someone has a strong opinion about something tangentially related to the subject matter and proceeds to throw a wet blanket over the entire conversation by getting all morally indignant that other people want to explore a subject that doesn't meet their specific criteria of OK-ness.
I don't have a whole lot of free time these days. Interesting intellectual conversations are one of the main reasons I make time for PD. It would be nice if they were allowed to happen without some moralistic bullshit being puked all over them.
Oh, geeze, no pics were even needed for such an illustrative presentation.
Quote from: Inge on June 08, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
I get really annoyed every time an interesting conversation here is squelched because someone has a strong opinion about something tangentially related to the subject matter and proceeds to throw a wet blanket over the entire conversation by getting all morally indignant that other people want to explore a subject that doesn't meet their specific criteria of OK-ness.
I don't have a whole lot of free time these days. Interesting intellectual conversations are one of the main reasons I make time for PD. It would be nice if they were allowed to happen without some moralistic bullshit being puked all over them.
Oh, geeze, no pics were even needed for such an illustrative presentation.
I'm glad you've come back to tell us WHAT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2014, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Inge on June 08, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
I get really annoyed every time an interesting conversation here is squelched because someone has a strong opinion about something tangentially related to the subject matter and proceeds to throw a wet blanket over the entire conversation by getting all morally indignant that other people want to explore a subject that doesn't meet their specific criteria of OK-ness.
I don't have a whole lot of free time these days. Interesting intellectual conversations are one of the main reasons I make time for PD. It would be nice if they were allowed to happen without some moralistic bullshit being puked all over them.
Oh, geeze, no pics were even needed for such an illustrative presentation.
I'm glad you've come back to tell us WHAT.
Come back? Seriously. I wouldn't boast to be able to inform anyone of anything. All things seem apparent.
Quote from: Inge on June 08, 2014, 05:36:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2014, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Inge on June 08, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
I get really annoyed every time an interesting conversation here is squelched because someone has a strong opinion about something tangentially related to the subject matter and proceeds to throw a wet blanket over the entire conversation by getting all morally indignant that other people want to explore a subject that doesn't meet their specific criteria of OK-ness.
I don't have a whole lot of free time these days. Interesting intellectual conversations are one of the main reasons I make time for PD. It would be nice if they were allowed to happen without some moralistic bullshit being puked all over them.
Oh, geeze, no pics were even needed for such an illustrative presentation.
I'm glad you've come back to tell us WHAT.
Come back? Seriously. I wouldn't boast to be able to inform anyone of anything. All things seem apparent.
And yet here you are.
SPOOF.