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Question:
Has Mangrove finally lost it?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 1
Option 2: No
votes: 0
Option 3: Did he have it to begin with?
votes: 11
Secrets of Cabala Revealed In Discordia!*
As you know, when I am not tending bar, snoozing in my office or talking the scrid out for a walk, I like to twist words, numbers and my brain into interesting new shapes for fun and enlightenment.
As some of you are aware (being the scholars that you are), that in Crowley's Liber AL, it is written that a kabbalah should be formed around the English alphabet. Different Thelemic groups have come up with their own answers as to what these attributions might be. As a laugh, I adopted the system as expounded by the Hermetic Order Of the QBLH and chewed up a few forum related words to see what I could see. Their system of Gematria is as follows:
A = 1 L = 2 W = 3 H = 4 S = 5 D = 6 O = 7 Z = 8 K = 9 V = 10 G = 11
R = 12 C = 13 N = 14 J = 16 U = 17 F = 18 Q = 19 B = 20 M = 21 X = 22
I = 23 T = 24 E = 25 P = 26...oh and Y = 15 (apologies to DJ)
(Gematria: The process by which each letter of a word or words, is converted to its numerical equivalent. Worlds yielding the same value are connected by their common numerical vibration and [on one plane or another] descriptive of each other.)
In this system, the word MANG' equals to 47. Nothing interesting about that. But the letters, S.S.O.O.K.N also = 47! The fun part is knowing that TROLL is also a 47. I always considered myself to be rubbish at trolling. Does this mean I am one? Should I become one? Who cares? :)
By using theosophical reduction (ie: adding the numbers together..) we can try 4 + 7 = 11. Now 11 is an important to Thelemites as a symbol of the great work, but it is an important Discordian number as I'll demonstrate later. As a side point, the word WILL, another Crowley classic is 11 in this system. 11 is sacred to Nigel Tufnell and to the English who like to drink tea at this time.
The name LMNO = 44. You may be pleased to learn that LOVE also is 44. But then so is HORAB and MALAUL! Maybe you're all in love? With each other? Or maybe that love is your true nature or that by demonstrating love in whatever way means "we're all HORAB"? Whatever! (though this might account for some of the flirting. Note also 44 is a multiple of 11.)
No analysis would be complete without a BAR (33). Ironically, our friend the scrid was playing JAZZ (33). Those of us that like carbs are, of course, members of the C.L.F. (33). The masons have 33 degrees (shhhh!). IF you're a musician you'll appreciate 33...and a 1/3. (spelled third but pronounced 'turd' if you're from southern Ireland).
The I began contemplating JAZZ. The development of 33 1/3 and the rise of the long player was a key moment in the history of JAZZ. An evolutionary flashpoint enabling the great improvisers of yesteryear to stretch out into previously unknown, unheard and un-thought of territories. Consider the enormity of the leap from early Louis Armstrong to A Love (44) Supreme!
I pursued with the JAZZ angle further as it provided the most fitting metaphor for the forum. Probably any forum in fact, but especially ours.
Like the JAZZ musician there is a theme, or for us, a thread. Everyone collectively improvises upon that thread, expressing their individuality within a group structure. No one knows where it will lead. Sometimes a threadjack is the best thing that can happen - kind of like the way Thelonious Monk would play standards, leaving odd, spikey chords hanging in the wrong places, but still sounding cool somehow.
The board is not unlike the early 1940's in New York, where all the young musicians caught in the soul numbing formula of the swing orchestra would gather together, hang, blow off steam and sometimes get combative on the bandstand. Anyone was welcome to sit in, but that did not necessarily guarantee that one could win the audience and survive.
Like JAZZ, there's a fine line between pushing the envelope and grandstanding. A fine line between artful meandering and going up one's ass. It doesn't always work, but when it works well it is something remarkable.
But these are but the outer mysteries. There is more....but it is shocking :shock:
Then there's ERIS. A 65 in this system. But if anyone gets this assbackwards, then they're a NOOB. (56). Sometimes, people who think they're GREAT (56) act like a NOOB. Coincidence? Yes! But what does it mean and how did it happen? And of course, 6 + 5 = 11 which is why 11 could be a secret Erisian number (but only if you want it to be).
CHEF D is a 66 but so is PIZZA, which suggests that Turd & Roger had some weird connection. Turd aka , JUSTIN gives us a 99. Again, multiples of the (maybe) sacred 11. Perhaps CHEF D got fat eating too much of JUSTIN's pizza? Mysterious enough for you? Of course not! There's more....
There is however, a mystery which will kick those goatbutt kissing, infidel slaying, head worshipping Knights Templar into touch.
Not long ago, I heard a word in my dream. That word was SCRID. I didn't know what it was so I posted it on the forum and received a number of wonderfully insightful replies. It transpired that LMNO's definitions were my favourite, hence the use of 'SCRID' as a figment of OB's ongoing quantum hallucinations. Then the one we knew as TURD said that 'scrids' were those sad, ineffectual, leftover cannabis crumbs. Once again, kabbalistic coincidence reveals all:
SCRID = 59!
TURD = 59!
We cannot stop here! We must go further! Only now can I reveal the unbelievable truth. It begins........
D I S C O R D I A
Then look closely.....
D I S C O R D I A
Rearrange.....
S C R I D!
By telling you the following, I must initiate you all into the 22nd innermost degree of S.S.O.O.KN. Ready? The essence of Discordia is SCRID TANTRA. That's right. We have to mate spiritually with the scrid kind. Behold the marriage vow:
A SCRID? I DO!
Shout it out loud! I DO A SCRID!
*DISCLAIMER - The above hermetica-lite is for entertainment purposes only and any resemblance to wisdom, insight or spiritual illumination is entirely unintentional.
Amazing.
I think this should be submitted to Verthaine post-haste, for the Chao Te Ching.
PS - could the ancient mystics have been wrong all this time? Could the magical mason phrase be "23 scriddoo"?
Quote from: LMNO
PS - could the ancient mystics have been wrong all this time? Could the magical mason phrase be "23 scriddoo"?
i bloody hope so...lol
you spend all those hours in the office and this is what you came up with?
:twisted:
Hey, back off. Mang just proved that your pet scrid is an integral part towards the enlightenment of humankind.
You should feel proud.
:D
[edit: and in honhor of that, I'm changing my sig again.]
It's ok El....I sort of expect OB to harrangue me. It's all part of his er 'charm'...
i should've known! i had the scrid pc enhanced....
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Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiA = 1 L = 2 W = 3 H = 4 S = 5 D = 6 O = 7 Z = 8 K = 9 V = 10 G = 11
R = 12 C = 13 N = 14 J = 16 U = 17 F = 18 Q = 19 B = 20 M = 21 X = 22
I = 23 T = 24 E = 25 P = 26
I cannot calculate the total of my name.
Wow - as far as Gematria is concerned, I don't exist!
*poof*
aw crap
Quote from: DJRubberduckyQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiA = 1 L = 2 W = 3 H = 4 S = 5 D = 6 O = 7 Z = 8 K = 9 V = 10 G = 11
R = 12 C = 13 N = 14 J = 16 U = 17 F = 18 Q = 19 B = 20 M = 21 X = 22
I = 23 T = 24 E = 25 P = 26
I cannot calculate the total of my name.
Wow - as far as Gematria is concerned, I don't exist!
*poof*
aw crap
That's why I stay away from all poofs of logic, just incase I happen to realise that Goddess Doesn't Exist, and since Believed Implies Believer, I don't exist, either.
Thankfully, I already don't exist.
On another note:
GREAT TEACHER LARGO
equates to:
73 | 104 | 33
and when added to single digits:
1 | 5 | 6 (A Great Teacher = Largo (1+5 = 6!!!) Behold the mysteries of the universe!)
And when added together to single digits:
1 + 5 + 6 = 12. 1+2=3.
And we all know that 1 by 2 by 3 are the
key measurements in the
first three dimensions of the great
Tycho MA, and its
many incarnations, and thus
LMNO himself!
Therefore, I submit my username as proof that
LMNO is a
manifestation of the Buddha, hopefully the Buddha named
Miroku, who shall come to Earth to teach the
True Dharma!
Thus,
LMNO is here to show us all the
path to enlightenment.Therefore, I am now creating a
NEW CABAL, the
LMNO Society of Discordians! I shall be the
High Inquisitor of the
LSD, and
all are welcome to partake of the bounty that is
LSD!1 2 3! L S D! LMNO is come to Set Us Free!
Wooooo!
Quote from: DJRubberduckyQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiA = 1 L = 2 W = 3 H = 4 S = 5 D = 6 O = 7 Z = 8 K = 9 V = 10 G = 11
R = 12 C = 13 N = 14 J = 16 U = 17 F = 18 Q = 19 B = 20 M = 21 X = 22
I = 23 T = 24 E = 25 P = 26
I cannot calculate the total of my name.
Wow - as far as Gematria is concerned, I don't exist!
*poof*
aw crap
Y = 15 (sorry). consider yourself existing again.
Btw - D.J. gives us 22.
22 is a multiple of the thelemic/discordian value of 11
22 has the value of X which is representative of the 'unknown quanity' in algebra......so maybe you don't exist!
carve up an X and you get L V X or 'light' in Latin (plus the related gnostic mysteries of IAO)
Thus DJ you are the unknown quantity of light. Are you a particle? Are you a wave? It makes sense that ducks travel on waves!
X is a 10 in roman numerals....in the qabalah there's 10 sephirothic emanations on the tree of life. they are formed by the lightning flash of creation which come from the 'X' or unknown quantity, the ain.
is that better? :D
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii
carve up an X and you get L V X or 'light' in Latin (plus the related gnostic mysteries of IAO)
You, sir, are now in the Committe for Obfuscation.
Your salary is the standard fare, 1 pfennig a year.
IO PONTIFEX MAXIMUS MANGROVVS! REGIS!
Yeah, it certainly obfucated me.
Altoid Addict=136, Sinner Bob=140
Quote from: Altoid AddictYeah, it certainly obfucated me.
Altoid Addict=136, Sinner Bob=140
The difference being four, which symbolizes the independent soul (1) plus the holy trinity (3) combining into the Pillars of the Temple!
Quote from: Great Teacher LargoQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii
carve up an X and you get L V X or 'light' in Latin (plus the related gnostic mysteries of IAO)
You, sir, are now in the Committe for Obfuscation.
Your salary is the standard fare, 1 pfennig a year.
IO PONTIFEX MAXIMUS MANGROVVS! REGIS!
why thank you....(what's the £ to pfennig exchange rate at the moment anyway?)
Quote from: renegade kabalistQuote from: Altoid AddictYeah, it certainly obfucated me.
Altoid Addict=136, Sinner Bob=140
The difference being four, which symbolizes the independent soul (1) plus the holy trinity (3) combining into the Pillars of the Temple!
hello renegade kabbalist!
have you considered joining the SSOOKN?
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiQuote from: Great Teacher LargoQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii
carve up an X and you get L V X or 'light' in Latin (plus the related gnostic mysteries of IAO)
You, sir, are now in the Committe for Obfuscation.
Your salary is the standard fare, 1 pfennig a year.
IO PONTIFEX MAXIMUS MANGROVVS! REGIS!
why thank you....(what's the £ to pfennig exchange rate at the moment anyway?)
Er, hrm. I'm not familiar with current English monetary rates. The only rates of currency for England I ever learned were old, old feudal systems of exchange, and I don't remember those. However... I should say no more than a sixpence a year, if you still have those?
Quote from: Great Teacher Largo
GREAT TEACHER LARGO
equates to:
73 | 104 | 33
and when added to single digits:
1 | 5 | 6 (A Great Teacher = Largo (1+5 = 6!!!) Behold the mysteries of the universe!)
And when added together to single digits:
1 + 5 + 6 = 12. 1+2=3.
And we all know that 1 by 2 by 3 are the key measurements in the first three dimensions of the great Tycho MA, and its many incarnations, and thus LMNO himself!
Therefore, I submit my username as proof that LMNO is a manifestation of the Buddha, hopefully the Buddha named Miroku, who shall come to Earth to teach the True Dharma!
Thus, LMNO is here to show us all the path to enlightenment.
Therefore, I am now creating a NEW CABAL, the LMNO Society of Discordians! I shall be the High Inquisitor of the LSD, and all are welcome to partake of the bounty that is LSD!
1 2 3! L S D! LMNO is come to Set Us Free!
Wooooo!
This is true. Except for the Buddha part. The name's not Miroku.
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiY = 15 (sorry). consider yourself existing again.
Btw - D.J. gives us 22.
22 is a multiple of the thelemic/discordian value of 11
22 has the value of X which is representative of the 'unknown quanity' in algebra......so maybe you don't exist!
Thus DJ you are the unknown quantity of light. Are you a particle? Are you a wave? It makes sense that ducks travel on waves!
*poof*Ah, much better, thanks. :D
As for being an unknown quantity, that would tie in nicely to the fact that I am not
(a DJ, nor a duck, nor made of rubber), and yet I am
(DJRubberducky).
Oh, and my birthday was on the 22nd. Oooooooo! :D
(I know that under some branch of numerology my real first name also reduces to 4, but I think it does so by way of a 13 rather than a 22.)
I may edit this post if I find something fascinating using this system with my real first name.
Quote from: LMNOQuote from: Great Teacher Largo
GREAT TEACHER LARGO
equates to:
73 | 104 | 33
and when added to single digits:
1 | 5 | 6 (A Great Teacher = Largo (1+5 = 6!!!) Behold the mysteries of the universe!)
And when added together to single digits:
1 + 5 + 6 = 12. 1+2=3.
And we all know that 1 by 2 by 3 are the key measurements in the first three dimensions of the great Tycho MA, and its many incarnations, and thus LMNO himself!
Therefore, I submit my username as proof that LMNO is a manifestation of the Buddha, hopefully the Buddha named Miroku, who shall come to Earth to teach the True Dharma!
Thus, LMNO is here to show us all the path to enlightenment.
Therefore, I am now creating a NEW CABAL, the LMNO Society of Discordians! I shall be the High Inquisitor of the LSD, and all are welcome to partake of the bounty that is LSD!
1 2 3! L S D! LMNO is come to Set Us Free!
Wooooo!
This is true. Except for the Buddha part. The name's not Miroku.
I apologise. Miroku is the Japanese name for the Buddha Maitreya.
Close, but no. Try again, grasshopper.
Quote from: LMNOClose, but no. Try again, grasshopper.
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya) is lying to me again?
I really hate to go digging through all the Buddhism books laying around to find the name.
All is Revealed in the Discordian Kaballah...
Quote from: LMNOAll is Revealed in the Discordian Kaballah...
Too much crap is happening outside of the Wired for me to deal with this at the moment. However, I will look into it.
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviii should've known! i had the scrid pc enhanced....
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look at the scrid pic
up close
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviii should've known! i had the scrid pc enhanced....
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look at the scrid pic up close
You mean?
/me lets the Turkey whisper his ominous secret into his ear.
Astounding./me feeds the Turkey to the Shoggoth.
Noooo.....look closer
[Obi Wan]That scrid is our last hope?[/Obi Wan]
scrid bears the mark of creation.
a scrid is creation from destruction (refuse/ "waste")
thelemites are gay. their tantric practices say so.
i'm not a thelemite. i'm also not a lyrian.
Quote from: Saint*Bastard (Deceased)scrid bears the mark of creation.
thank you! someone finally saw the special scridian birthmark.
I am bad at math.
What does Zurtok equal?
Quote from: Zurtok KhanI am bad at math.
What does Zurtok equal?
77
i'll expand on that later....but for now it's 7 X 11 which seems to be a consistently good qabalistic number. (because it's prime)
that is...11 is prime..
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiQuote from: Saint*Bastard (Deceased)scrid bears the mark of creation.
thank you! someone finally saw the special scridian birthmark.
I saw it before, but I had no idea what it was. What kind of thing is it and what does it mean?
Zurtok,
I applied Notariqon* to your name and found the following:
Zealots Undermine Religion To Oppose Knowledge.
spooky non? :wink:
* "Notariqon - there are two types of notariqon. The first condenses a word, sentence or phrase into a more simple one by reading only the initial letters, in an attempt to reveal a more fundamental truth. The second expands a word or a sentence whose component words are the initials of the original word" - Lon Milo Duquette.
Ok, here's a bit more of Zurtok. If any of this is even remotely accurate, then you may praise my kabbalistic wisdom, if not, then what the hell do you expect from the internet???
Anyways....according to the New Aeon English Qabalah system as used by the Hermetic Order of the QBLH, the name 'ZURTOK' gives us a 77. Divide that by 7 and you get 11 which is kabbalistically significant in that it's a prime and is "the general number of magick, or energy tending to change." (Crowley).
Referring 77 back to the usual, industry standard Hebrew kabbalah and some interesting words are thrown up. One of them is Strength (rendered in Hebrew by the letters Ayin & Vau). Though this can also mean 'he-goat' which could get you into a whole mess of symbolism about "randy Pan the goat boy", the Devil and so forth.
The name KHAN when using this New Aeon system equates to 28. Hebrew worlds equal to 28 are Unity (Yod, Cheth, Vau, Daleth) or Power (Kaph Cheth). This got me thinking of Genghis Khan. He was definitely a strong leader and his power was a result of him unifying the Mongol tribes in a way that had never been done before. Strength & power are acquired through unity.
If you add 77 to 28 you get 105. Cross check that with Hebrew words and we get the fantastic: Heh Peh Kaph (To Subvert!). Subversion...couldn't get a more apt word for a Discordian now, could you?
Strength + Power/Unity = Subversion
Mangrove
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiOk, here's a bit more of Zurtok. If any of this is even remotely accurate, then you may praise my kabbalistic wisdom, if not, then what the hell do you expect from the internet???
Anyways....according to the New Aeon English Qabalah system as used by the Hermetic Order of the QBLH, the name 'ZURTOK' gives us a 77. Divide that by 7 and you get 11 which is kabbalistically significant in that it's a prime and is "the general number of magick, or energy tending to change." (Crowley).
Referring 77 back to the usual, industry standard Hebrew kabbalah and some interesting words are thrown up. One of them is Strength (rendered in Hebrew by the letters Ayin & Vau). Though this can also mean 'he-goat' which could get you into a whole mess of symbolism about "randy Pan the goat boy", the Devil and so forth.
The name KHAN when using this New Aeon system equates to 28. Hebrew worlds equal to 28 are Unity (Yod, Cheth, Vau, Daleth) or Power (Kaph Cheth). This got me thinking of Genghis Khan. He was definitely a strong leader and his power was a result of him unifying the Mongol tribes in a way that had never been done before. Strength & power are acquired through unity.
If you add 77 to 28 you get 105. Cross check that with Hebrew words and we get the fantastic: Heh Peh Kaph (To Subvert!). Subversion...couldn't get a more apt word for a Discordian now, could you?
Strength + Power/Unity = Subversion
Mangrove
Well, I DID decide to become a Khan-man (hehehehehe) after reading about Ghengis Khan, so yeah, it ought to remind you of him.
And that is all rather interesting, I thank you for your Khabalistic Wisdom, and in return offer you a free drink at the Open Bar. Of course, just because
I offer it, doesn't mean that OP will offer it :twisted:
Zurtok,
OB passed me a drink with a sticky note on it.
Glad you liked the kabbalistic analysis......I found out this morning that I had inadvertently copped some of chapter '77' from Crowley's Book Of Lies.
But he's dead and I'm not....so ha! to him I say.
s=5
y=15
n=14
a=1
p=26
t=24
y=15
x=22
=122
1+2+2 = 5
w00t! :D
Quote from: synaptyxs=5
y=15
n=14
a=1
p=26
t=24
y=15
x=22
=122
1+2+2 = 5
w00t! :D
122? hmm......i will see if i can dig up some more on this!
at this juncture some of you may be thinking*:
"wait a minute big nose, if i abitrarily assign numbers to an alphabet, then surely at some point there will be some apparently meaningful correspondences?"
and if that's what you think? well, then you'd be right.
what's important is not the system you use but the process that you go through. it's the opposite of the zen koan. instead of seeking the most brutal simplicity to overthrow the mundane mind and experience satori (japanese for fnord, i guess) the qabalist works in the opposite way, seeking to connect everything to everything until there's no 'anything' left. overload the mundane mind with complexity.
bit like looking for 23s and 5s everywhere.....(maybe)
now the orthodox qabalist uses these methods to extract layers of meaning from their holy scriptures. and good for them. but we can use the methods but without the ideology - converting to judaism is entirely unecessary (unless you want to of course).
looking for holiness in religious literature is hardly a challenge though is it? what, with all those gods and stuff ambling around the chapters. no, try looking elsehwere....car license plates, pizza menus, LMNO's story....whatever.
it's eris' way of reminding you that you can find her anywhere...or not.
the system i used for s.c.r.i.d was a new aeon qabalah used by a thelemic group. they had their reasons for picking those numbers and assigning them in the way that they did. however, that really doesn't matter. go make up your own.
connecting obvious words is not hard. perhaps your new qabalah system yields up the gematria that 'cell phone' is equivalent to 'annoying asshole on a train'....that's hardly surprising. where the real challenge lies is in finding the connections to what isn't immediately apparent. if your qabalah for instance gave up 'apple' and 'stapler'....then you've got some work to do. if you can make it happen, then your awareness of the interconnections has gotten that little bit bigger. perhaps you're on your way to enlightenment.
the qabalah is a tool or a map...and as always, don't confuse the map with the territory.
peace out,
mangrove
* this only applies to people are actually thinking in the first place.
Mangrove,
Did you know that you're my hero?
You've just said what I've been trying to communicate for years.
Bra-fucking-vo.
Have a drink.
Quote from: LMNOMangrove,
Did you know that you're my hero?
You've just said what I've been trying to communicate for years.
Bra-fucking-vo.
Have a drink.
thanks dude. don't you just love running your own bar?...lol..
Quote from: AnonymousQuote from: LMNOMangrove,
Did you know that you're my hero?
You've just said what I've been trying to communicate for years.
Bra-fucking-vo.
Have a drink.
thanks dude. don't you just love running your own bar?...lol..
that wasn't a guest....it was a mang'.
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiat this juncture some of you may be thinking*:
::snippity snip snip snip::
* this only applies to people are actually thinking in the first place.
Well, that leaves me out.
I'm applying it to Gnomes too, cause you're too uber cool for words (even these) Gnimbly!
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiat this juncture some of you may be thinking*:
::snippity snip snip snip::
* this only applies to people are actually thinking in the first place.
Well, that leaves me out.
i don't believe you mr gnome. i swear i saw you thinking.
I think I saw him swearing.