How does it relate to TDN/BIP?
We would prolly figure out what the moon is all about if we blew it up (by process of elimination).
lol
But seriously, how do you approach things that may have more symbolic significance than actual significance?
(Or the other way around)
The moon as a symbol/archetype is a powerful one.
Unless you realize the power of the archetype/symbol, it's just another bar in your cell.
That's something a lot of Wiccans don't realize.
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:03:48 PM
Unless you realize the power of the archetype/symbol, it's just another bar in your cell.
everybody can proceed to print that out and stick on their fridge or make a poster for their bedroom wall
That should go in the meme thread, LMNO.
Here's a question. Do you think the Moon would be as powerful if we had multiples like Jupiter, Saturn, etc, ?
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:03:48 PM
The moon as a symbol/archetype is a powerful one.
Unless you realize the power of the archetype/symbol, it's just another bar in your cell.
That's something a lot of Wiccans don't realize.
Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists, in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather than walk out through, the gates.
YHVH is an archetype?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 08, 2006, 04:04:52 PM
yeah, I think any affect the moon may have on a person, personality or otherwise, is largely in their head. And I would submit it is because they've bought into a myth of lunacy or some such thing. I mean, it's the same thing as thinking a 4-leaf clover is lucky or that a black cat crossing your path is going to royally fuck up your day.
from the other thread
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 08, 2006, 04:09:54 PM
That should go in the meme thread, LMNO.
Here's a question. Do you think the Moon would be as powerful if we had multiples like Jupiter, Saturn, etc, ?
not a chance
most likely - everything that is attribted to the moon would be delegated among the members of 'the moon system'
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:12:40 PM
YHVH is an archetype?
I'd say he was by the time the founders were finished with him.
I think, maybe, the moon is just that ultimate, universal escapist symbol.
Everyone in the world sees the moon.  
Everyone in the world has bad days.
New Englanders probably don't dream about running away into the desert.
Arizonans probably don't dream about running away into the foggy forest.
Texans probably don't dream about getting lost in a winter wonderland.
But, the moon can, potentially, be the escape for everyone.  
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:12:40 PM
YHVH is an archetype?
I'd say he was by the time the founders were finished with him.
The Old Testament has a founder?
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:12:40 PM
YHVH is an archetype?
I'd say he was by the time the founders were finished with him.
The Old Testament has a founder?
The founders of x-ianity I meant. Isn't god just a big scary patriarchal archetype nowaday?
Xtianity has a founder?
Now you're just being obstinate :argh!:
Nope. I just think you're simplifying things waaaaay too much.
I can see God as an archetype of the Father Figure, but I feel that, where most people (save lunar-worshippers) will see the Moon as obviously symbolic, they won't see YHVH as symbolic, in any form.
Some will, but they'll mostly be non-xtian scholars.
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:31:47 PM
Nope. I just think you're simplifying things waaaaay too much.
I can see God as an archetype of the Father Figure, but I feel that, where most people (save lunar-worshippers) will see the Moon as obviously symbolic, they won't see YHVH as symbolic, in any form.
Some will, but they'll mostly be non-xtian scholars.
Yeah but it was the wicks I was talking about specifically. I was trying to examine a dynamic. Also did point out it was a train of thought. I'm merely exploring this as we go. I don't really have an argument to present. Was food for thought is all.
Well, keep it going.
K here's what my brain did next:
Archetypes are just there. We can't describe them because, essentially, they are describing us. But we want to describe them so we assign symbols to them and interface with them through these symbols. From the point of view I was coming from these symbols are, to all intents and purposes, taken as the archetypes themselves. But symbols can be hybridised, incorporating various aspects in a mix 40% of one, 30% two others for example. These are the gods we worship. Egregores which, if modified to demand our subservience, will stop us from using the symbols to interface directly. This is worship, in it's form and function.
sillycybin wrote:
> Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning
> hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists,
> in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing
> a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather
> than walk out through, the gates.
could someone transform that into a oneliner for me, for easiness of sticking on my fridge? :)
whether YHVH is an archetype or not. i get the idea (at least i think i do), and you rephrase it here:
> Archetypes are just there. We can't describe them because, essentially, they are describing
> us. But we want to describe them so we assign symbols to them and interface with them through these
> symbols. From the point of view I was coming from these symbols are, to all intents and purposes,
> taken as the archetypes themselves. But symbols can be hybridised, incorporating various aspects in a
> mix 40% of one, 30% two others for example. These are the gods we worship. Egregores which, if
> modified to demand our subservience, will stop us from using the symbols to interface directly. This
> is worship, in it's form and function.
i'm beginning to see a bigger pattern here.
so we have archetypes and symbols. the distinction is a bit unclear to me, i'll just go with that one is a symbolic representation of the other, i suppose.
at first we use these symbols as tools, for some purpose. the symbol is a tool for representing the idea of an archetype.
now the tool associated with YHVH is a very powerful one. and what happens when tools become more powerful than the people that wield them?
the Machine is what happens. (or the Prison - your pick)
people start worshipping the symbol instead of using it as a tool, they stop in their tracks and create another bar of the prison. for the most, it's even out of the hands of the priests that were using it. (well, not entirely, possibly you could say the CoN wields some of the big tools)
so my head's a bit blurry now, maybe i took a few thought leaps. LHX probably gets where i'm going with this. the entire business is about that we are able to create tools more powerful than ourselves. and not just a littlebit more powerful (like a car or a gun could be imagined to be), but several orders of magnitude more powerful (like the atom bomb, religion, the internet, computers, fossile fuel, money).
we are the slaves of our servants, in the shadow of our ambitions
(repeating a bit of what i said on the old BIP here) this is probably the reason why some of the people that come here start talking about "we need to go back to nature" (right before such threads are reduced to a smoking hole in the ground). of course they don't really want to go back to a life-expectancy of 30 years. what happened is they notice there is something wrong, they become aware of part of the Prison, they identify some of the bars -- civilisation! -- and jump to conclusions.
maybe i'm jumping to conclusions as well, but what i think those people actually want, is to "get in touch", they see the bars of the prison and the bars are tools, tools they can't wield anymore, because they grown too big and too complicated.
i don't know what's the solution to that. i like my computer, i like my internets. ok, granted, i know up to a great detail how they work, does that help me?
but as i said, probably i'm jumping to conclusions as well. these are yet another set of bars in the prison. i just gave a shot to trying and merge two classes together: the bars are the things we can't contain ourselves any longer, and therefore contain us.
maybe there's more types of bar, i dunno.
This thread is called the moon. I think is started as an offshoot of someone mentioning the moon as an archetype. Let's examine the archetype. The moon in madygickle terminology is sometimes referred to as 'foundation' the foundation of the illusion that we react to. It's the projector or the lense through which we see the projection.
It works, at that archetypal level, by taking pure energy and making it into forms which appear concrete to us but it represents this form, not only in terms of bricks and mortar, but also in terms of notions which we take to be the way things are, ie 'beliefs'. Bricks and mortar are harder not to believe in but essentially any belief can be overturned. So when you suddenly see through a mass produced human lie which you fell for for so many years, the resulting kneejerk reaction is to start attacking everything that you ever believed in. This is healthy and destructive at the same time.
The moon causes Cancer!
Cancer is a soft core in the tough shell
Of the black iron prison
A weak spot
Capricorn is the black iron prison
The machine
The devil
And a manufacturer of the spork
That you will use to dig your way out.
The moon is a wolf
And a silver bullet in the lunacy of the darkness
Insuring the sanity of the sun
In the abysmal chasm
Of Order.
Moons are people too!
Just babbling.
Quote from: Benaclypse on December 10, 2006, 11:38:29 PM
The moon causes Cancer!
Cancer is a soft core in the tough shell
Of the black iron prison
A weak spot
Capricorn is the black iron prison
The machine
The devil
And a manufacturer of the spork
That you will use to dig your way out.
The moon is a wolf
And a silver bullet in the lunacy of the darkness
Insuring the sanity of the sun
In the abysmal chasm
Of Order.
Moons are people too!
Just babbling.
I like this babble!
Quotesillycybin wrote:
> Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning
> hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists,
> in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing
> a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather
> than walk out through, the gates.
could someone transform that into a oneliner for me, for easiness of sticking on my fridge?
The Map is not the Territory.
Quote from: LMNO on December 11, 2006, 01:58:29 PM
Quotesillycybin wrote:
> Train of thought derailed by this post: The moon is an archetype. The wiccans, in turning
> hokey paganism into a religion, bade the wiccans worship it. YHVH is an archetype. The x-ists,
> in turning hokey jewish mysticism into a religion, bade the x-ists worship it. I'm seeing
> a pattern here. Bar the metaphysical exits by teaching the believers to stand in awe, rather
> than walk out through, the gates.
could someone transform that into a oneliner for me, for easiness of sticking on my fridge?
The Map is not the Territory.
this magnet is not the fridge.
However, the fridge is the magnet.
Quote from: LMNO on December 13, 2006, 04:59:04 PMHowever, the fridge is the magnet.
is that why it's so sticky?
No, that's semen.
I got excited when I found out what's for dinner.
Cake = ROFL ITT
The Menu Is Not For Dinner
obviously something similar needs to be in that chinese restaurant flyer mindfuck
"Please to not be eating menu"?
PLEASE TO NOT STEP ON THE MAP
UPDATE:
as of now - the moon is still orbitting earth
effects: undefined
STAY TUNED
Holy shit! I looked up, but couldn't see it!
WHERE DID IT GO!?
Quote from: LMNO on December 14, 2006, 05:48:26 PM
Holy shit!  I looked up, but couldn't see it!
WHERE DID IT GO!?
*shakes fist at sky*
DAMN YUO, HIMEOBS
:lulz: :lulz:
i suddenly feel lighter
is this the HIMEOBS Effect that ive been hearing about lately?
It shakes the baby and breaks the moon.
Wait until you see what it does to Uranus.
RWHN,
Because somebody had to.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 14, 2006, 07:26:52 PM
Wait until you see what it does to Uranus.
^^^is that what they call one of them thar 'play on words'??
I am a card carrying member of the Puns and Ammo Society. :-D
Quote from: triple zero on December 14, 2006, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 14, 2006, 05:48:26 PM
Holy shit! I looked up, but couldn't see it!
WHERE DID IT GO!?
*shakes fist at sky*
DAMN YUO, HIMEOBS
Very :lol:.
bump for swoteness
edit: is there anything from this thread we should/could salvage for our projects?
Quote from: triple zero on March 27, 2007, 07:13:57 PM
bump for swoteness
edit: is there anything from this thread we should/could salvage for our projects?
Negatory.
This swoteness is lost on those outside the clique.
This is not the Moon thread we were talking about.
Just sayin.
I didn't think so. The other one was quite a few pages long if i recall.
It was at the other place, if I recall.
I found it, and bumped it.
Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 04:02:26 PM
How does it relate to TDN/BIP?
We would prolly figure out what the moon is all about if we blew it up (by process of elimination).
lol
But seriously, how do you approach things that may have more symbolic significance than actual significance?
(Or the other way around)
This sort of thing reads weird when there's Nazis stomping around.
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 04:03:48 PM
The moon as a symbol/archetype is a powerful one.
Unless you realize the power of the archetype/symbol, it's just another bar in your cell.
That's something a lot of Wiccans don't realize.
Speaking of wiccans and the moon, has anybody else noticed that the Triple (https://www.ancient-symbols.com/symbols-directory/triple-moon.html) Moon (https://zennedout.com/the-meanings-origins-of-the-triple-goddess-symbol/) symbol bears an uncanny resemblence to Goatse (http://goatse.info/)?
Yes. 15 years ago.
Good job there's only one.
"Dark Side of A Moon" doesn't have the same power.
Destination: spent fuel repository.
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 06:24:03 AM
Destination: spent fuel repository.
Space 1999 proved why this is a stupid idea.
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 06:24:03 AM
Destination: spent fuel repository.
Space 1999 proved why this is a stupid idea.
Somehow, I missed that one.
When you store expended fuel on the moon, radiation makes you ALL CRAZY and then it explodes and blows you out of Earth's orbit, at a velocity that takes you through a different solar system every week.
Think of it as Star Trek without all the great acting you would associate with, say, William Shatner.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 06:24:03 AM
Destination: spent fuel repository.
Space 1999 proved why this is a stupid idea.
Somehow, I missed that one.
When you store expended fuel on the moon, radiation makes you ALL CRAZY and then it explodes and blows you out of Earth's orbit, at a velocity that takes you through a different solar system every week.
Think of it as Star Trek without all the great acting you would associate with, say, William Shatner.
I like it. My bar was at 'an dey splode before scape welocity'.
Quote from: LuciferX on October 03, 2018, 04:07:08 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 06:24:03 AM
Destination: spent fuel repository.
Space 1999 proved why this is a stupid idea.
Somehow, I missed that one.
When you store expended fuel on the moon, radiation makes you ALL CRAZY and then it explodes and blows you out of Earth's orbit, at a velocity that takes you through a different solar system every week.
Think of it as Star Trek without all the great acting you would associate with, say, William Shatner.
I like it. My bar was at 'an dey splode before scape welocity'.
You can watch the whole thing on Youtube. But episode 1 is really more than enough and might even qualify as self-abuse.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 03, 2018, 05:18:06 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 03, 2018, 04:07:08 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on October 02, 2018, 06:24:03 AM
Destination: spent fuel repository.
Space 1999 proved why this is a stupid idea.
Somehow, I missed that one.
When you store expended fuel on the moon, radiation makes you ALL CRAZY and then it explodes and blows you out of Earth's orbit, at a velocity that takes you through a different solar system every week.
Think of it as Star Trek without all the great acting you would associate with, say, William Shatner.
I like it. My bar was at 'an dey splode before scape welocity'.
You can watch the whole thing on Youtube. But episode 1 is really more than enough and might even qualify as self-abuse.
I considered it for more than just a second; am now half-way to admitting self-abuse.