I can see benefits to both sides... Personally, I don't tell most people as it isn't really a topic that comes up in conversation. I've actually only told one person I know about my personal philosophy, and it's only because she has a very similar philosophy. My inner circle of friends has a pretty limited grasp of my indifference, but that's only because they've known me for years and things sometimes come out inadvertently.
What about you guys? Does your family know? I'm sure it would make for a nice dinner conversation with some more conservative parents.
Well yeah, what's the point of a philosophy if you don't act on it?
Quote from: Regret on July 21, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Well yeah, what's the point of a philosophy if you don't act on it?
I don't know my personal philosophy is rather personal, I mean I know other local Discordians, but with people who are not I don't see much point in repeating the same long drawn out half assed explanation of what My Discordia is all about when half the time they don't understand and half the time they assume I'm messing with them or am in some weird cult. While I have no problem with what they assume, My Discordia is about my own actions and thoughts and Way, and less about preaching to the uncaring masses. And I suck at whipping out the Holy(tm).
I do participate in OM:GASMs on occasion though, as that can be a rather effective, fun, and often nicely pre-packaged way to spread the more general Discordia.
That said my gf sees things my way for the most part, and over the years we've pretty much formed Our Discordia as a couple in ways that make sense to us at the time.
My parents? Ha, even though they are surprisingly liberal, my mom would think I'm in a cult and my dad just wouldn't care.
Yea, i did try telling my family about this early on. it ended up sounding like i'd gone goth or some other form of paganism. Not really what i had in mind. Nowadays, I only really discuss it with interested friends who enjoy discussing these kinds of ideas. I dont really tell anyone i dont already know that i'm a discordian. I mean what's the point of telling people "what a discordian is" when my definition only applies to me? To be honest though, i still pull the old pope card nonsense when i feel like invoking a certain level of awe. :P
Haha yes I totally do the Pope thing some times.
Or the "My religion forbids me to just let that idiotic statement go...".
In fact, one of my favorite uses of Discordia is to twist it into "My Religion mandates that..." followed by something so absurd that even a gullible child would find hard to swallow. My latest schtick is "I'm sorry AT&T U-VERSE door-to-door salesman, I am a devout follower of the Goddess, Eris, and the strict commandments of my religion forbid me from switching internet suppliers when I don't really want to, and further forbids me from having to bother explaining to you why." and closing the door.
I've turned No Hot Dog Buns into a general purpose tool, I think.
Quote from: Regret on July 21, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Well yeah, what's the point of a philosophy if you don't act on it?
Think about it :lulz:
i lIP OFF TO THE rIGHT | NOT2Left/
Quote from: LuciferX on July 27, 2014, 06:54:31 AM
Quote from: Regret on July 21, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Well yeah, what's the point of a philosophy if you don't act on it?
Think about it :lulz:
Okay, okay. So I have been trying to communicate my thinking to others for the past decade, and transmission rates still hover around nought. Mostly, I find people intentionally equivocate and confuse the point because there's nothing they don't already care to know. The worst is when they get combative
Lucifer, you are coming across as uncharacteristically lucid. Are you sick?
Quote from: Pæs on July 27, 2014, 11:29:29 PM
Lucifer, you are coming across as uncharacteristically lucid. Are you sick?
Oh, positively, and it won't heal like you.
Quote from: zackli on July 20, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
I can see benefits to both sides... Personally, I don't tell most people as it isn't really a topic that comes up in conversation. I've actually only told one person I know about my personal philosophy, and it's only because she has a very similar philosophy. My inner circle of friends has a pretty limited grasp of my indifference, but that's only because they've known me for years and things sometimes come out inadvertently.
What about you guys? Does your family know? I'm sure it would make for a nice dinner conversation with some more conservative parents.
"Telling" people about your philosophy is pointless. You might as well dance your sculpture. You might as well sing your cooking.
The simple best advice for writing also applies to philosophy: show, don't tell.
Live your philosophy. Be your philosophy.
If they are receptive, by your own actions, they will learn.
Quote from: Hoopla on July 28, 2014, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: zackli on July 20, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
I can see benefits to both sides... Personally, I don't tell most people as it isn't really a topic that comes up in conversation. I've actually only told one person I know about my personal philosophy, and it's only because she has a very similar philosophy. My inner circle of friends has a pretty limited grasp of my indifference, but that's only because they've known me for years and things sometimes come out inadvertently.
What about you guys? Does your family know? I'm sure it would make for a nice dinner conversation with some more conservative parents.
"Telling" people about your philosophy is pointless. You might as well dance your sculpture. You might as well sing your cooking.
The simple best advice for writing also applies to philosophy: show, don't tell.
Live your philosophy. Be your philosophy.
If they are receptive, by your own actions, they will learn.
I agree wholeheartedly, given that my personal philosophy is entirely based on ridiculing other people's.
Hey, i'm curious does anyone else dabble in chaos magic? I've only read sigil magic seminar, and i've played around with it a bit. If nothing else, i find it helps ease anxiety. Like, if i'm worrying too much about something out of my control, i can fire a sigil so at least i can tell the doubts in my head that i "did" something about it.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Lust-Driven Dickwolf on July 29, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
Hey, i'm curious does anyone else dabble in chaos magic? I've only read sigil magic seminar, and i've played around with it a bit. If nothing else, i find it helps ease anxiety. Like, if i'm worrying too much about something out of my control, i can fire a sigil so at least i can tell the doubts in my head that i "did" something about it.
I've read a lot about it. Occultism is one of my favorite things to read about, but I've never tried any actual practices. It seems to me that a significant portion of it is simply the placebo effect, and the other significant portion of it is inflating your stories to sound like you've achieved greatness.
IIRC, there are quite a few threads RE: chaos magic. Much pointing and laughing. It used to be One Of Those Topics.
As for my philosophy...it is hard to seperate it from the rest of me. It all comes out whether I want it or not.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Lust-Driven Dickwolf on July 29, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
Hey, i'm curious does anyone else dabble in chaos magic? I've only read sigil magic seminar, and i've played around with it a bit. If nothing else, i find it helps ease anxiety. Like, if i'm worrying too much about something out of my control, i can fire a sigil so at least i can tell the doubts in my head that i "did" something about it.
I use it extensively to assist my own writing. No complaints so far.
How's that work?
Quote from: Chelagoras The Lust-Driven Dickwolf on July 30, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
How's that work?
If I can't decide how something should go in a given work project, I do some sort of divination to help me find out what happened, be it with cards, scrying in a black mirror, what have you. Has never let me down so far.
Quote from: Hoopla on July 28, 2014, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: zackli on July 20, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
I can see benefits to both sides... Personally, I don't tell most people as it isn't really a topic that comes up in conversation. I've actually only told one person I know about my personal philosophy, and it's only because she has a very similar philosophy. My inner circle of friends has a pretty limited grasp of my indifference, but that's only because they've known me for years and things sometimes come out inadvertently.
What about you guys? Does your family know? I'm sure it would make for a nice dinner conversation with some more conservative parents.
"Telling" people about your philosophy is pointless. You might as well dance your sculpture. You might as well sing your cooking.
The simple best advice for writing also applies to philosophy: show, don't tell.
Live your philosophy. Be your philosophy.
If they are receptive, by your own actions, they will learn.
Well said.
I only tell those who would benefit the most, or would be upset the most. It's funny when they froth at the mouth.
Can the sigil be used for more than just taking out the trash?
Quote from: Chelagoras The Lust-Driven Dickwolf on July 29, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
Hey, i'm curious does anyone else dabble in chaos magic? I've only read sigil magic seminar, and i've played around with it a bit. If nothing else, i find it helps ease anxiety. Like, if i'm worrying too much about something out of my control, i can fire a sigil so at least i can tell the doubts in my head that i "did" something about it.
Are you asking me? :?
I remember reading some comics artist from the UK used them extensively. Then in Eugene once, reveling with bass mutants, I met this cat said he tried to constantly visualize a rather large mandala/sigil around him in space/time. Blew my mind :?
Quote from: LuciferX on July 27, 2014, 06:54:31 AM
Quote from: Regret on July 21, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Well yeah, what's the point of a philosophy if you don't act on it?
Think about it :lulz:
Sooo, Solipsism? Or just plain mental fappery?
Quote from: Regret on August 02, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on July 27, 2014, 06:54:31 AM
Quote from: Regret on July 21, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Well yeah, what's the point of a philosophy if you don't act on it?
Think about it :lulz:
Sooo, Solipsism? Or just plain mental fappery?
I do not find Solipsism a valid position and the distinction between thought and action is just a false dichotomy :wink:
Quote from: Net (+1 Hidden) and 5 guests on July 31, 2014, 06:27:19 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on July 28, 2014, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: zackli on July 20, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
I can see benefits to both sides... Personally, I don't tell most people as it isn't really a topic that comes up in conversation. I've actually only told one person I know about my personal philosophy, and it's only because she has a very similar philosophy. My inner circle of friends has a pretty limited grasp of my indifference, but that's only because they've known me for years and things sometimes come out inadvertently.
What about you guys? Does your family know? I'm sure it would make for a nice dinner conversation with some more conservative parents.
"Telling" people about your philosophy is pointless. You might as well dance your sculpture. You might as well sing your cooking.
The simple best advice for writing also applies to philosophy: show, don't tell.
Live your philosophy. Be your philosophy.
If they are receptive, by your own actions, they will learn.
Well said.
jumping off of this, Do you guys ever randomly encounter people who, in your opinion, have the whole Discordia thing down without ever having heard of it? I have been lucky enough to run into a few friends like this, and it makes for interesting discussion. I like to think of them as Free Range Popes. :lulz:
Quote from: Chelagoras The Lust-Driven Dickwolf on August 05, 2014, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: Net (+1 Hidden) and 5 guests on July 31, 2014, 06:27:19 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on July 28, 2014, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: zackli on July 20, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
I can see benefits to both sides... Personally, I don't tell most people as it isn't really a topic that comes up in conversation. I've actually only told one person I know about my personal philosophy, and it's only because she has a very similar philosophy. My inner circle of friends has a pretty limited grasp of my indifference, but that's only because they've known me for years and things sometimes come out inadvertently.
What about you guys? Does your family know? I'm sure it would make for a nice dinner conversation with some more conservative parents.
"Telling" people about your philosophy is pointless. You might as well dance your sculpture. You might as well sing your cooking.
The simple best advice for writing also applies to philosophy: show, don't tell.
Live your philosophy. Be your philosophy.
If they are receptive, by your own actions, they will learn.
Well said.
jumping off of this, Do you guys ever randomly encounter people who, in your opinion, have the whole Discordia thing down without ever having heard of it? I have been lucky enough to run into a few friends like this, and it makes for interesting discussion. I like to think of them as Free Range Popes. :lulz:
Great with a dash of ranch dressing, right :lulz:
Delicious! :P
Quote from: LuciferX on August 01, 2014, 06:40:10 AM
I remember reading some comics artist from the UK used them extensively. Then in Eugene once, reveling with bass mutants, I met this cat said he tried to constantly visualize a rather large mandala/sigil around him in space/time. Blew my mind :?
Frankly, my mind would have been blown when the cat started talking to me
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on August 07, 2014, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on August 01, 2014, 06:40:10 AM
I remember reading some comics artist from the UK used them extensively. Then in Eugene once, reveling with bass mutants, I met this cat said he tried to constantly visualize a rather large mandala/sigil around him in space/time. Blew my mind :?
Frankly, my mind would have been blown when the cat started talking to me
:lulz:
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on August 07, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on August 07, 2014, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on August 01, 2014, 06:40:10 AM
I remember reading some comics artist from the UK used them extensively. Then in Eugene once, reveling with bass mutants, I met this cat said he tried to constantly visualize a rather large mandala/sigil around him in space/time. Blew my mind :?
Frankly, my mind would have been blown when the cat started talking to me
True, it would seem the mutant's argot and vernacular is not an actual human language. Hardly all that approachable. The cat was clearly not one of them, silly :lulz:
I'm too ignorant to have a coherent philosophy, so I don't really talk about what *I* believe a whole lot.
One of my favorite things to do though, is to talk *about* philosophy, especially with people who've never encountered Any.
People LOVE the Trolley Problem!
I tend to fuck around with people a lot. I find that it's a very useful filter. As in: when you tell a person a bunch of nonsense you can learn a lot about the person by the way in which they reply.
Kind Regards.
Coherence actually improved when the collimating lens was removed.
Quote from: outoftheloop on December 12, 2014, 04:48:17 AM
I tend to fuck around with people a lot. I find that it's a very useful filter. As in: when you tell a person a bunch of nonsense you can learn a lot about the person by the way in which they reply.
Kind Regards.
I'll keep that in mind.
Quote from: LuciferX on August 01, 2014, 06:40:10 AM
I remember reading some comics artist from the UK used them extensively. Then in Eugene once, reveling with bass mutants, I met this cat said he tried to constantly visualize a rather large mandala/sigil around him in space/time. Blew my mind :?
Grant Morrison would probably be the one you mean, though I think he mostly deals in writing. He wrote an essay on how to do sigils, and had his fanbase engage in activating a sigil to boost comics sales for the Invisibles.
There's also Alan Moore who talks a good deal about magick and does a lot, or so he says. His Promethea series goes into it, and discusses Austin Osman Spare and his sigils.
Not really. Eyes tend to glaze over if you start talking about this stuff to most people.
Quote from: Ⅎuᴉzz on February 17, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
Not really. Eyes tend to glaze over if you start talking about this stuff to most people.
This is the correct motorcycle.
I dont tend to discuss this with my family, as they sort of dismissed this as juvenile rebellion back when I picked up the PD back in high school. Though now that this thread has bumped, I'm curious: does anyone else have their own little metaphors for how their Discordia makes sense to yourself? For myself, I once tried describing my discordia to another Discordian ( a very odd man on selling buttons and artwork on venice beach) and he called it a sort of Chaos Buddhism. I dunno why, but that just felt right. Black Iron Prison equals Samsara, Chaos equals Void, etc.Does anyone else have a thing like that, or am I just weird?
I don't feel like I really even have a personal philosophy right now. That's kind of what draws me to keep coming back here even on a mostly-lurker basis. I enjoy reading all the thoughts that you guys spew and trying to assimilate them into my own personal worldview.
Coupled with:
Quote from: Ⅎuᴉzz on February 17, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
Not really. Eyes tend to glaze over if you start talking about this stuff to most people.
Makes for real-life philosophising a rarity.
I just reply to casual conversation with deep and mysterious phrases like "everything happens for no reason" and "the only driving force in our rudderless world is the sweet Chaos."
"You're so interesting," people say, and, "can you finish that clove cigarette outside?"
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 18, 2015, 01:31:03 PM
I just reply to casual conversation with deep and mysterious phrases like "everything happens for no reason" and "the only driving force in our rudderless world is the sweet Chaos."
"You're so interesting," people say, and, "can you finish that clove cigarette outside?"
:lulz:
And so Anomos stood leaning casually against the statue of Plato tossing a rock in the air and catching it with the same hand over and over. To the close observer it could be noted that he never put quite the same spin on it twice at he tossed it up and caught it over and over. No, what mattered was that he had a whole sack of rocks, and easy cover behind Plato if needed.
Sleeping Dogs don't Lie, (Sort o like territorial pissings) going back to the original post just thought i'd leave my mark!
Quote from: Billiam Poster on May 11, 2015, 11:33:38 PM
Sleeping Dogs don't Lie, (Sort o like territorial pissings) going back to the original post just thought i'd leave my mark!
Well done. Maybe you could get together with my dog and mark the back yard.
My philosophies are too dynamic. Sometimes situations contradict what I think, changing what I think from then on. Some situations are just impossible to comprehend for me, and I don't know how to change what I think for them.
Am I open about my ever-changing philosophies? Yeah. I'll preach my perspective if that's how the audience is influenced. And the extent to which I explain my philosophies depends on the moral compass of my audience.
Am I open about my skewed moral compass? Not really. I tend to pretend like criminality is above me unless I'm talking to a criminal who can't judge. However I've found I love talking to people with mutable moral compasses (Easily influenced people) who don't originally agree with me. Watching gears turn in their heads as they become more and more accepting of my views, and maybe change some of their own, is one of the things that makes me want to start teaching, eventually. I think it'd be best to teach a major subject that can connect to my philosophies so I can slip them in, piecemeal.
I don't just preach it, though. I certainly live my philosophies. Sleeping dogs are too boring.
I wonder if accelerating by sling-shot with gravity is essentially like trying to travel by car without turning the direction opposite, or distal, to the driver's side. Like trying to get home only making left turns in right-hand traffic: good times.
Quote from: LuciferX on May 15, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
I wonder if accelerating by sling-shot with gravity is essentially like trying to travel by car without turning the direction opposite, or distal, to the driver's side. Like trying to get home only making left turns in right-hand traffic: good times.
I think using only left turns in right-hand traffic could be used to get home as long as the roads are built in a way that allows you to spiral out from your current destination to the exact distance out that your home is (I feel like this wasn't very clear, or that there was some sort of flaw in the way I described this. I can't put my finger on it though). A grid-like road system could be viable for that.
As I reach the half-way mark in this response, your statement is starting to seem more and more rhetorical. In-fact, it's starting to seem like a form of mockery and disparagement. So, before I continue, can you explain its relevance?
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on May 15, 2015, 02:10:55 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 15, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
I wonder if accelerating by sling-shot with gravity is essentially like trying to travel by car without turning the direction opposite, or distal, to the driver's side. Like trying to get home only making left turns in right-hand traffic: good times.
I think using only left turns in right-hand traffic could be used to get home as long as the roads are built in a way that allows you to spiral out from your current destination to the exact distance out that your home is (I feel like this wasn't very clear, or that there was some sort of flaw in the way I described this. I can't put my finger on it though). A grid-like road system could be viable for that.
As I reach the half-way mark in this response, your statement is starting to seem more and more rhetorical. In-fact, it's starting to seem like a form of mockery and disparagement. So, before I continue, can you explain its relevance?
I was just driving some distance, noticing how the spiral was common for changing elevation/velocity, say highways to street, with the latter instead favoring slower traffic and more turns. This, extrapolates to space travel and it occurred to me that we might be doing it wrong. The question then is in what direction do we turn to better travel through space/time? Funny or rhetorical as the question may be, this does not make it invalid IMHO.
Quote from: LuciferX on May 15, 2015, 03:19:36 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on May 15, 2015, 02:10:55 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 15, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
I wonder if accelerating by sling-shot with gravity is essentially like trying to travel by car without turning the direction opposite, or distal, to the driver's side. Like trying to get home only making left turns in right-hand traffic: good times.
I think using only left turns in right-hand traffic could be used to get home as long as the roads are built in a way that allows you to spiral out from your current destination to the exact distance out that your home is (I feel like this wasn't very clear, or that there was some sort of flaw in the way I described this. I can't put my finger on it though). A grid-like road system could be viable for that.
As I reach the half-way mark in this response, your statement is starting to seem more and more rhetorical. In-fact, it's starting to seem like a form of mockery and disparagement. So, before I continue, can you explain its relevance?
I was just driving some distance, noticing how the spiral was common for changing elevation/velocity, say highways to street, with the latter instead favoring slower traffic and more turns. This, extrapolates to space travel and it occurred to me that we might be doing it wrong. The question then is in what direction do we turn to better travel through space/time? Funny or rhetorical as the question may be, this does not make it invalid IMHO.
If I understand you correctly, you're referring to the fact that we loop our equipment around cosmic bodies/planets to get places far away. That said, considering that modern space travel techniques and astrophysics aren't my specialty, I must also assume that you are implying that we use the "slow traffic - more turns" approach, in which we loop around each body several times, and we do so around more bodies than you think is necessary.
I think you might be on to something, but I can see a possible explanation as to why we still use the method that I assume we do: If we use smaller loops around more bodies, we are a bit more certain on the affects on our equipment from the gravitational pull. If we get out further away from the bodies and loop less, we might be able to be more direct with our travel, but we also run the risk of running into less predictable gravitational fields. I assume, if you're speaking on this level, that you're familiar with the Lagrangian Points for cosmic bodies. I'm not sure on the complexity of the trips our equipment is taking, but I'd guess that based on your conclusion, our equipment's trips are tending to avoid specific Lagrangian points (I actually forget how all of them work. I only remember the basics of a few). But, my idea is, if we skip bodies to loop around, and get further away from the larger bodies, we get into zones that have smaller cosmic bodies that have more intense Lagrangian Points. As I understand it, the smaller the body, or the smaller the gravitational pull, the more contrasting the Lagrangian points and gravitational zones can be. Moving across two small bodies' Lagrangian points can be more dangerous to our momentum than if we moved across two large bodies' gravitational zones or Lagrangian Points. But then you have to factor in distance between the bodies as well if you want to determine the strength of the points. I think this way due to the fact that a Black Hole the size of the Earth would rip you apart as you were sucked in. But a Black Hole the size of the one in the middle of our galaxy would keep you fully in-tact. This happens because the difference in gravitational acceleration as you get closer to a smaller body is a steeper ramp up than with a larger body's gravitational acceleration. As I type this, I wonder if that may be what they use to get the faster momentum increases when launching our equipment around a body. Send it by the right Lagrangian points of smaller cosmic bodies and you can get a massive momentum increase. But it would be sporadic. Send it by a set of larger cosmic bodies' Lagrangian points and you would get less of an increase in momentum, but the direction would be more stable and predictable. Also, let's not forget that direction around these points and fields is a MASSIVE factor.
Ideally, I think, if we got better at directing our equipment and predicting gravitational acceleration changes in the gravitational zones of far-away bodies, I think we could get faster at looping and space travel. Also, it might be wise to bring up the effects of Time Dilation on the amount of time it takes for our equipment to travel. Keeping it by large gravitational fields affects the passing of time for the equipment more strongly than do the small gravitational fields. But, I'm getting to the edge of my knowledge now, considering I don't know how to factor in the gravitational acceleration curve with Time Dilation.
If this was not your direction, then please specify. I haven't talked about this stuff in years, and when it interests me like this, I get into long, drawn out rants that become hard to understand due to the amount of tangents I make. I'm pretty sure I've got ADHD or something.
It's been quite awhile since I've tried to take into account that many factors. I hate labor jobs. They make me forget all the fun I had doing things with my brain.
And I'd say I feel like an asshole for hijacking this thread, but LuciferX started it. :eek:
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on May 15, 2015, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 15, 2015, 03:19:36 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on May 15, 2015, 02:10:55 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on May 15, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
I wonder if accelerating by sling-shot with gravity is essentially like trying to travel by car without turning the direction opposite, or distal, to the driver's side. Like trying to get home only making left turns in right-hand traffic: good times.
I think using only left turns in right-hand traffic could be used to get home as long as the roads are built in a way that allows you to spiral out from your current destination to the exact distance out that your home is (I feel like this wasn't very clear, or that there was some sort of flaw in the way I described this. I can't put my finger on it though). A grid-like road system could be viable for that.
As I reach the half-way mark in this response, your statement is starting to seem more and more rhetorical. In-fact, it's starting to seem like a form of mockery and disparagement. So, before I continue, can you explain its relevance?
I was just driving some distance, noticing how the spiral was common for changing elevation/velocity, say highways to street, with the latter instead favoring slower traffic and more turns. This, extrapolates to space travel and it occurred to me that we might be doing it wrong. The question then is in what direction do we turn to better travel through space/time? Funny or rhetorical as the question may be, this does not make it invalid IMHO.
If I understand you correctly, you're referring to the fact that we loop our equipment around cosmic bodies/planets to get places far away. That said, considering that modern space travel techniques and astrophysics aren't my specialty, I must also assume that you are implying that we use the "slow traffic - more turns" approach, in which we loop around each body several times, and we do so around more bodies than you think is necessary.
I think you might be on to something, but I can see a possible explanation as to why we still use the method that I assume we do: If we use smaller loops around more bodies, we are a bit more certain on the affects on our equipment from the gravitational pull. If we get out further away from the bodies and loop less, we might be able to be more direct with our travel, but we also run the risk of running into less predictable gravitational fields. I assume, if you're speaking on this level, that you're familiar with the Lagrangian Points for cosmic bodies. I'm not sure on the complexity of the trips our equipment is taking, but I'd guess that based on your conclusion, our equipment's trips are tending to avoid specific Lagrangian points (I actually forget how all of them work. I only remember the basics of a few). But, my idea is, if we skip bodies to loop around, and get further away from the larger bodies, we get into zones that have smaller cosmic bodies that have more intense Lagrangian Points. As I understand it, the smaller the body, or the smaller the gravitational pull, the more contrasting the Lagrangian points and gravitational zones can be. Moving across two small bodies' Lagrangian points can be more dangerous to our momentum than if we moved across two large bodies' gravitational zones or Lagrangian Points. But then you have to factor in distance between the bodies as well if you want to determine the strength of the points. I think this way due to the fact that a Black Hole the size of the Earth would rip you apart as you were sucked in. But a Black Hole the size of the one in the middle of our galaxy would keep you fully in-tact. This happens because the difference in gravitational acceleration as you get closer to a smaller body is a steeper ramp up than with a larger body's gravitational acceleration. As I type this, I wonder if that may be what they use to get the faster momentum increases when launching our equipment around a body. Send it by the right Lagrangian points of smaller cosmic bodies and you can get a massive momentum increase. But it would be sporadic. Send it by a set of larger cosmic bodies' Lagrangian points and you would get less of an increase in momentum, but the direction would be more stable and predictable. Also, let's not forget that direction around these points and fields is a MASSIVE factor.
Ideally, I think, if we got better at directing our equipment and predicting gravitational acceleration changes in the gravitational zones of far-away bodies, I think we could get faster at looping and space travel. Also, it might be wise to bring up the effects of Time Dilation on the amount of time it takes for our equipment to travel. Keeping it by large gravitational fields affects the passing of time for the equipment more strongly than do the small gravitational fields. But, I'm getting to the edge of my knowledge now, considering I don't know how to factor in the gravitational acceleration curve with Time Dilation.
If this was not your direction, then please specify. I haven't talked about this stuff in years, and when it interests me like this, I get into long, drawn out rants that become hard to understand due to the amount of tangents I make. I'm pretty sure I've got ADHD or something.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on May 15, 2015, 06:26:47 AM
It's been quite awhile since I've tried to take into account that many factors. I hate labor jobs. They make me forget all the fun I had doing things with my brain.
And I'd say I feel like an asshole for hijacking this thread, but LuciferX started it. :eek:
I'll read this after you watch Tomorrowland, how bout that?
I planned on watching it. I might get a chance to today, actually. I'll tell you how it goes.
EDIT: I got to watch Tomorrowland on my break just now. It was more inspirational than it was entertaining.
Also, after some thought over the past few weeks, I'd like to clarify that I think the LaGrangian points are significantly less relevant to the point I was making than I made it seem. More or less, the concept I wanted to bring up was the effects of gravitational fields on other gravitational fields, and how they would affect our equipment. But, being points, they would require precision and intention to enter. For some reason, it seemed like an adequate example at the time.
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