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I thought he outted himself quite a while ago...

[I'm just saying that the de-facto status of an uninhibited human is not necessarily "freedom."]

I'm not suggesting anyone's freedom be taken away, I'm just saying that the de-facto status of an uninhibited human is not necessarily "freedom." People are creatures of habit, we thrive on routine, and we will generally fight much harder to preserve convenience than to preserve our intellectual, religious, or social liberties. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's who we are. The only time freedom is really called into question is when you don't have it, and most people these days don't know what freedom is, much less how to secure it.

Then what IS "freedom"?

[Ive never really had a conversation with the military]

yeah, somewhere.

we were discussing people who call veterans "babykillers" and he said something to the effect of "I don't call them babykillers, I just don't give them any spare change either."

So veterans are either babykillers or bums?

I don't being the key word, but some do call em that... and the bums well war is hell and their brains are probally starting to look like that fried egg right about now. but they fall under my non-productive clause when i give change to the homeless. "IF your not doing something productive or funny, you get no monies" so if you got the help me my family was killed by ninjas you get spare change. blah blah im some disabled vet who needs your help cause the VA guys are pricks. HAHA god bless (or damn) america, but your on your own there guy.

and if it was on a scale of caring they be meh to me. I think they are doing a shitty job (who isnt) but like I think Old Man Yeti said once if the choice is bush or laiddone, and well at least bush will let well BUSH instead of a sheet.

Ive never really had a conversation with the military like some others blocking tanks from going on the boats but they look like little more then riot police with better equipment, which ironicly almost explains the iraqi war

Then I'd suggest you take the time to do so. Might open up your eyes a little to what's really going on, and help you gain a bit of compassion for the real, actual people inside 'the military', and help you understand why they're out on the street, instead of living a normal life.

hehe...I guess I put so much milk and sugar in my coffee that I never noticed.

I have been stopping there because my Mr. Coffee is just putting out bitter-tasting brown water.  I guess it needs to be cleaned or replaced?  I am not sure.  Takes less effort to stop at starbucks.

Plus, I don't have time in the morning to blend a coffee Frappuccino® with a shot of espresso, before taking the baby to daycare.

It also doesn't hurt that the hispanic barista who vends my caffeine is cute as a button.

Vinegar. Srsly. Cycle it through once with vinegar and then five times with water.

five times?
Sheesh. here I've been doing the white vinegar cycle followed by two cycles with water.
Which reminds me...I think it's about due for another.

People being trolled, ITT.

*sigh* I know.
I'll leave the little sockfucker to his imaginary kingdom now.

So far as I can tell, it's something he made up. The only instance I found of the term was in a post made by him on the CoG forum.

ETA:
A dad wanker is defined as one who follows any instruction of a religiou, philosophical or mythical nature, because the myth is the daddy and you need that shit. Christian are teh perfect examples of lazy fuckin twats waiting for a handout from doG on their knees saying pryers and shit...therefore for every "dear lord you are the gretest now please give my wife bigger boobs" or other Doglas Adams type twaddle they are wanking dog to get the favour like Jizzus whores.

Wow! my respect for the guy just grows and grows! [/sarcasm]

That about it.

And thanks for the respect...dont hide behind the sarcasm, you want me to give you a good tea bagging eh?....Maybe a pearl Necklace or two.

You don't even deserve the grudging respect your (possibly imaginary) wife gives you.

Sure...thats original....you want fries with that.

I give you none. Fuck off.

Its ok I will keep your little secret...you respect me and hid behind your sarcasm tag.

Fuck off, thank you very much.

So far as I can tell, it's something he made up. The only instance I found of the term was in a post made by him on the CoG forum.

ETA:
A dad wanker is defined as one who follows any instruction of a religiou, philosophical or mythical nature, because the myth is the daddy and you need that shit. Christian are teh perfect examples of lazy fuckin twats waiting for a handout from doG on their knees saying pryers and shit...therefore for every "dear lord you are the gretest now please give my wife bigger boobs" or other Doglas Adams type twaddle they are wanking dog to get the favour like Jizzus whores.

Wow! my respect for the guy just grows and grows! [/sarcasm]

That about it.

And thanks for the respect...dont hide behind the sarcasm, you want me to give you a good tea bagging eh?....Maybe a pearl Necklace or two.

You don't even deserve the grudging respect your (possibly imaginary) wife gives you. I give you none. Fuck off.

So far as I can tell, it's something he made up. The only instance I found of the term was in a post made by him on the CoG forum.

ETA:
A dad wanker is defined as one who follows any instruction of a religiou, philosophical or mythical nature, because the myth is the daddy and you need that shit. Christian are teh perfect examples of lazy fuckin twats waiting for a handout from doG on their knees saying pryers and shit...therefore for every "dear lord you are the gretest now please give my wife bigger boobs" or other Doglas Adams type twaddle they are wanking dog to get the favour like Jizzus whores.

Wow! my respect for the guy just grows and grows! [/sarcasm]

All religious people are dad wankers.

Main Entry:
    sav·age
Pronunciation:
    \ˈsa-vij\
Function:
    adjective
Etymology:
    Middle English, from Anglo-French salvage, savage, from Late Latin salvaticus, alteration of Latin silvaticus of the woods, wild, from silva wood, forest
Date:
    13th century

1 a: not domesticated or under human control : untamed <savage beasts> b: lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings : fierce, ferocious <a savage criminal>2: wild, uncultivated <seldom have I seen such savage scenery — Douglas Carruthers>3 a: boorish, rude <the savage bad manners of most motorists — M. P. O'Connor> b: malicious4: lacking complex or advanced culture : uncivilized <a savage country>

A most appropriate name for you.

If you can imagine, perhaps you don't have to be wrong, perhaps you subconciously give shape to some energy or suchlike?

Think about that sentence for a second.  Are you really saying that by believing in something, mystic energies will contort themselves to humor you?  That simply by imagining things they become real?

Wouldn't that be a kicker? Suppose for a second that were true. Think about all the wars, poverty, abuses of power and people, all the things that are wrong with the world...what if we make them real by believing they are? What if we could change those things simply by imagining something else?

It's a fucked up hypothesis at this point. We have no way to prove it even if it were true. And yet, some of my experiences suggest that it might be. Not in the sense of mystic energies contorting themselves to humor me, but in the sense of being part of those mystical energies, and having the ability to shape and manipulate them through thought and belief. 

A lot of people I've discussed the idea with tend to throw in "well, what about the victims?" What about the people who get raped, or murdered, or hit by some natural disaster? Are you saying it's their fault? That they thought or believed what happened to them into existence?". I can't say no without shooting down the whole hypothesis, and I can't say yes without some people taking it as blaming the victims. So I'll take the chance on people thinking I'm blaming the victims, and say that each of us is ultimately responsible for our lives. We are responsible for our thoughts and beliefs, and have the power to change those as we wish. We can accept whatever we were taught, and go through life believing without understanding, or we can question what we were taught, and decide whether or not to keep those beliefs. In essence, there are no victims, only people experiencing life in all its complexity. There is no blame, only choices and consequences.

didn't you get verbally gang-raped last time you brought up this idiotic idea of yours?

and didn't you deserve it?

It's true, the reactions around here tended to be fairly nasty. Unfortunately, I've been frequenting too many New Age forums, where such ideas are commonplace, and apparently forgot where I was. 

If you can imagine, perhaps you don't have to be wrong, perhaps you subconciously give shape to some energy or suchlike?

Think about that sentence for a second.  Are you really saying that by believing in something, mystic energies will contort themselves to humor you?  That simply by imagining things they become real?

Wouldn't that be a kicker? Suppose for a second that were true. Think about all the wars, poverty, abuses of power and people, all the things that are wrong with the world...what if we make them real by believing they are? What if we could change those things simply by imagining something else?

It's a fucked up hypothesis at this point. We have no way to prove it even if it were true. And yet, some of my experiences suggest that it might be. Not in the sense of mystic energies contorting themselves to humor me, but in the sense of being part of those mystical energies, and having the ability to shape and manipulate them through thought and belief. 

A lot of people I've discussed the idea with tend to throw in "well, what about the victims?" What about the people who get raped, or murdered, or hit by some natural disaster? Are you saying it's their fault? That they thought or believed what happened to them into existence?". I can't say no without shooting down the whole hypothesis, and I can't say yes without some people taking it as blaming the victims. So I'll take the chance on people thinking I'm blaming the victims, and say that each of us is ultimately responsible for our lives. We are responsible for our thoughts and beliefs, and have the power to change those as we wish. We can accept whatever we were taught, and go through life believing without understanding, or we can question what we were taught, and decide whether or not to keep those beliefs. In essence, there are no victims, only people experiencing life in all its complexity. There is no blame, only choices and consequences.

I often get the sense that there is utterly no world beyond the observable, that there are no supernatural entities, nothing paranormal in the least.  It's hard to describe - it's like hearing a sound, but without tone or pitch, the kind of sound that you feel as vibrations in the organs less firmly tied down.  Only without vibrations, just... stillness.  The feelingness of being utterly alone, with only a handful of tailless apes on a rock ball kept from falling into absolute zero by nothing other than the happenstance of a fairly mediocre cosmic fusion reactor.

I know that what my senses, my intuitions, tell me are correct have not been confirmed or even supported directly by any controlled experiment (except in their lack of finding anything beyond the veil,) but I am deeply convinced that they are correct.



[On the subject of hard sf aliens: probably, but I doubt that any two such lifeforms are close enough in spacetime for either to contact the other while both are extant.  Assuming they develop in the direction of being able to communicate.]

I think that all depends on what you classify as 'observable'. What you or I can observe is so infinitesimally small compared to what's really there (as observed by scientific equipment, like microscopes and such), that I really have to wonder what else we're missing in our observations.

I think that there is far, far more 'out there', than we can possibly imagine. But it's not anything that we can sense in the normal ways. It's far more subtle than that. It's like where you describe a sound without vibration...only there is a vibration, and we can't feel it, just as we can't see things on the microscopic level without a microscope.

I believe the point can be expressed thusly

We are not fans of authoritarianism.

While fundies are a source of fundamentalism, and one we have often dealt with in the past, that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to authoritarianism elsewhere - especially if it is people professing to be on our side.

Also, lulz.

Also, chaos.

Also, for His Imperial Majesty.

Also, just because.

As I said, no idea what was there (I never heard from any mod myself *wail*), but I agree when Roger is pissed and doing something, but just calling for his wolves to follow and biting in the asses of people who have nothing to do with all this is pretty much what I consider authority...

My wolves?

I'd like to see a WOMP of Roger and his wolves...