I founded an ostrich cult as a branch of Discordianism. I call it the Individuate Church.
Individuates study psychology, psychiatry, consciousness expansion, Carl Jung, and Leary's 8 Circuit Model. The front page of the cult includes a bible inspired by the principia discordia, and a complete system of initiation into 8 Circuit awareness. Presented are initiation ceremonies into each circuit up to the 7th circuit, advice on designing a ceremony for the 8th circuit.
The website also includes my original fiction and poetry, music and sketches, anarchist free form role playing material, and occult essays.
https://kbupdikejr.wixsite.com/chrystalcity (https://kbupdikejr.wixsite.com/chrystalcity)
I founded The First Church of Vinnie. Here's how it works: You all tithe 10% of what you make. This doesn't buy you a spot in heaven, though (wrong sort of religion), it just means that Vinnie doesn't come by to make your knees bend the wrong way.
This way you can have all the religion you want, without any of those pesky restrictions on sex and drugs, and nobody telling you what to do (I mean, other than the tithe).
Ten reasons to convert TODAY.
1. Vinnie doesn't care about premarital sex. He himself does it all the time.
2. Vinnie won't get mad at you for coveting your neighbor's ass. He covets it too.
3. Vinnie doesn't give a flying fuck about abortion or prayer in school.
4. Vinnie doesn't care how the world was created, as long as he gets his cut.
5. Vinnie won't tell you "what atheists believe".
6. Vinne never told anyone to kill in his name. He does that just fine on his own.
7. Vinnie doesn't care if you actually show up to church. In fact, there isn't actually a physical building.
8. Vinnie is tangible and obeys all known scientific laws (other laws, not so much).
9. Vinnie never launched a crusade, a witch hunt, or burned any heretics. There's no money in it.
10. If you don't convert, Vinnie will make your knees bend the wrong way. I believe I mentioned this earlier.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2022, 03:27:43 AM
I founded The First Church of Vinnie. Here's how it works: You all tithe 10% of what you make. This doesn't buy you a spot in heaven, though (wrong sort of religion), it just means that Vinnie doesn't come by to make your knees bend the wrong way.
Only 10%? What a bargain! The government takes more than that, and won't even fix the potholes on 42nd street, let alone promise not to break my knees.
10% is more expensive than the Individuate Church. To join costs $0.23 and a partially consumed yellow snowball, no further fees.
Tithes 1/10th of the accumulated yellow snow to Vinnie.
Quote from: ArchangelIdiotis on April 05, 2022, 08:51:22 PM
10% is more expensive than the Individuate Church. To join costs $0.23 and a partially consumed yellow snowball, no further fees.
Tithes 1/10th of the accumulated yellow snow to Vinnie.
And your kneecaps. Because Vinnie.
Quote from: ArchangelIdiotis on April 02, 2022, 06:49:52 AM
I founded an ostrich cult as a branch of Discordianism. I call it the Individuate Church.
Individuates study psychology, psychiatry, consciousness expansion, Carl Jung, and Leary's 8 Circuit Model. The front page of the cult includes a bible inspired by the principia discordia, and a complete system of initiation into 8 Circuit awareness. Presented are initiation ceremonies into each circuit up to the 7th circuit, advice on designing a ceremony for the 8th circuit.
The website also includes my original fiction and poetry, music and sketches, anarchist free form role playing material, and occult essays.
https://kbupdikejr.wixsite.com/chrystalcity (https://kbupdikejr.wixsite.com/chrystalcity)
Regarding the 8-circuit model,
in your opinion/experience,
Do people actually exist at different levels? Once you've had an experience on a certain circuit, is it like a Samadhi experience - you got a glimpse of 'how it really works' and can't go back inside plato's cave? Or is it more dynamic? As in - Today I am driven by Circuit 2, but other days I manage to fire on Circuit 3?
I'm interested in this via my work in Gurdjieff groups. The 8-circuit model was partially derived from Gurdjieff's notation of levels of being - "Man-1" through "Man-7". But in Gurdjieff groups, you never explicitly discuss what "level" someone "is". It's probably not actually quantifiable like that.
I think Buddhist meditation groups have a similar thing going on too -- in some traditions, there is a hierarchy of meditative experiences, but it's tabboo to speak too explicitly about your own "accomplishments". And partially because, I think, these initiatory experiences aren't permanent. Maybe our range of consciousness is expanded, but that doesn't mean we always have access to that. I may fire on all cylinders during meditation, but then I get a little hungry or horny and I'm an idiot all over again.
I think it is possible to exist all the time on higher circuits. However, I don't know if that would necessarily be a good thing...
Warning: the following may be a somewhat lengthy explanation to try and cover everything. Don't let me waste your time.
I see the 8 circuits as evolution toward more love. The advance-retreat of the first circuit may be pride before love, or a more primitive desire/fear mechanism. I see it as the complex induced by pride before love because it is described as advancing on occasion with anger, which inflates pride.
I map the second circuit as egotism induced by familial love. A hierarchy develops in part because of subtle love-pride complex interaction. Submissives and Dominants evolve upon a small scale social hierarchy. The mammalian circuit: I picture packs and herds of animals.
The third circuit of map making and logic may have evolved because love (which I consider a simple when isolated from pride, still, without impulse) allows the pride/humility bound mind to move around a little bit. This motion apart from instinctive conditioning is reason.
The socio-sexual moral 4th circuit may be explained by yet more love inducing social instinct, the evolutionary source of moral values and social identity. The heart identifies with a far larger population than with mammalian packs.
The fifth circuit, associated with weed, by this model, is explained as pot inducing yet more love, as one source of marijuana intoxication. It becomes possible to reason in a "far out" manner, exploring yet further than with the lower four circuits.
The sixth circuit, associated with psychedelic trips, allows self-programming because one's pride is now surrounded by so much love it can be impacted by the mind indwelt within the heart. But hallucinations usually begin at this stage, so how to survive in the 6th circuit without going schizophrenic...
I guess the seventh circuit to be love inducing exploration of one's local nervous system and the timeline of one's local experience (DNA/reincarnation). Again, yet more love allows for yet further exploration.
The eighth circuit, non local awareness, could be explained as so much love you start to explore nonlocality, the universe. If love can align with causality, a significant amount of love may grab onto a large enough chunk of causality to permit prophecy.
The hallucinations corresponding with the higher circuits is the problem to be transcended. Enough drug research has evolved that it may otherwise be possible to stay 6-8th circuit most if not all of the time.
I consider pride the root of the impulsiveness of most hallucinations (and the instincts of its negative states, like fear/humility), and love the root of the creativity component to the vision. Impulsive creativity = hallucination. This may be in keeping with schizophrenia research. Most antipsychotics target dopamine and/or serotonin. Dopamine increase is induced by the drugs I associate with pride, serotonin increase by the drugs associated with spiritual visions.
I would rather lose pride than love. It is at least possible that if a way were discovered to hold pride down to a very small state (an astral telepath could hold down a psychedelic using volunteer's pride to a positively self-identified smallness), too little impulsiveness would manifest for a hallucination to result.
Until a cure for hallucinations and delusions evolves, it may be better to just learn how to reproduce the abilities of the higher circuits after coming "down to earth".
inside of you, there are 8 wolves.
one of them is gay.
why do you keep feeding it?
1:
It has been shown definitively that psychedelic usage is very common among the highest tiers of neo-Nazi looniness. Associating psychedelic use with love is provably false, whatever the hippies say.
2:
rong, would you like to do me a favor? A small one. Take your homophobic bullshit, load it into a gun, and blow your fucking nuts off.
Right now, every day, I wake up to see a new thing coming for me and mine with weapons and hate. And this is one place I go where I don't have to deal with it, until fucking now. Yes yes it's just a fucking joke.
Fuck you.
Start rotting, rong.
Hahaha. Now there's a joke, shitbird. Not even the worms will roost in your hate-withered carcass.
You and your ilk are slimy little things I will crush and destroy, one fine day, but for now I'm content to leave you alone so long as you go away, and do irreparable, painful damage to yourself every time you think something bigoted is even a little funny. It is literally the least you could do for me, my demands get increasingly aggressive from here on out.
Leave. And do hurt yourself on the way out, I demand it as payment for the fucking graves you're defiling with your homophobic nonsense.
QuoteQuoteIt has been shown definitively that psychedelic usage is very common among the highest tiers of neo-Nazi looniness. Associating psychedelic use with love is provably false, whatever the hippies say.
neo-Nazi loonies love
something, just not something that helps society to love. They don't worship fair totems or anything. A Nazi Satanist might love a version of Satan that represents all evil and all bigotry, and most Nazis probably love other Nazis. And probably Hitler.
In my younger years when I was wild and uninhibited, I experimented with weed (and experienced more love than sober) and other psychedelics (and the high was mostly just a tremendous amount of love).
Counterpoint: Nick Land exists.
What was bigoted about my post? Is it because I used the g-word? Is that not allowed? I like to think I'm a pretty nice guy and it's entirely possible that I'm just dumb. Did you ever think of that?
If you're saying Land may be a racist because of his psychedelic usage (I just briefly read up on him, don't even know if he used psychedelics), you may be right. The question isn't whether drugs are "good" or "bad" but whether psychedelics reputed to provide access to higher circuits of consciousness increase love.
Once again, when I was young and not as law-abiding as today, I experimented with DMT, LSA (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose), LSD, shrooms... and all of them at varying levels of potency drastically increased love and increased pride a bit too. I could be alone in this, but most of the people who have charted out their experiences on the same kind of psychedelics, from those reports I have read, describe the experiences as "spiritual" which is what I'd think would result from a massive dose of love. And the hippies were experimenting with those same drugs when they claimed those drugs were about love, so it is probably what they experienced.
1:
rong, how about you stop trying to justify yourself? You knew exactly what you were doing. There's a fucking genocidal hate campaign, it's not like you could have fucking missed it. Shut the fuck up and dig your own grave somewhere else. You're scum to me, nothing more.
2:
Land was an actual Marxist involved in some fucking weird drugs-and-rave-music research group for years, then he had a trip that utterly destroyed his sense of self and hard-pivoted him to being a neo-Nazi whackjob. His piece A Dirty Joke (I think that's the title) is about that trip or one he had about the same time. This is actually a recurring feature of the weirdest far-right figures, like Land, weev and their ilk. They got blitzed on psychedelics and/or amphetamines (there are plenty of cases without amphetamines though, don't you worry) and turned into shriveled, cruel husks of people. There was an article about how what you're positing is not backed up by reality at all just last year, even.
Whatever your own experiences, the data suggests the exact opposite. Smarter people than you or I collected and sorted through it and made that conclusion.
So forget about acid opening the universe to love or whatever.
can you cite the article please?
I don't have it at hand. It was definitely posted on the Aftermathematics server, so Cram can grab it easier than I can.
I'm about 96% sure it was a real thing and not a hallucination because it was an on-and-off topic of discussion for a bit, but I don't know the search terms to bring it up on Google and I'm not in Aftermathematics currently for mental health reasons.
By the way, I don't think you're necessarily entirely wrongheaded in this reimagining of the 8-circuit model, I am just absolutely certain psychedelics don't belong in it.
Quote from: altered on April 07, 2022, 12:28:09 AM
1:
rong, how about you stop trying to justify yourself? You knew exactly what you were doing. There's a fucking genocidal hate campaign, it's not like you could have fucking missed it. Shut the fuck up and dig your own grave somewhere else. You're scum to me, nothing more.
2:
Land was an actual Marxist involved in some fucking weird drugs-and-rave-music research group for years, then he had a trip that utterly destroyed his sense of self and hard-pivoted him to being a neo-Nazi whackjob. His piece A Dirty Joke (I think that's the title) is about that trip or one he had about the same time. This is actually a recurring feature of the weirdest far-right figures, like Land, weev and their ilk. They got blitzed on psychedelics and/or amphetamines (there are plenty of cases without amphetamines though, don't you worry) and turned into shriveled, cruel husks of people. There was an article about how what you're positing is not backed up by reality at all just last year, even.
Whatever your own experiences, the data suggests the exact opposite. Smarter people than you or I collected and sorted through it and made that conclusion.
So forget about acid opening the universe to love or whatever.
excuse me? a genocidal hate campaign? i have no idea what you are talking about nor do i care. i was simply, in my own special way, trying to point out that the map is not the territory. the menu is not the meal. the 8 circuit model is a model. you can mix models up all the time for whatever you want. that's what discordianism is all about. or at least i thought it was. but feel free to call me names and issue threats if that makes you feel better.
rong: maybe you could give a line-by-line explanation of your poem.
I think it read like you were saying I'm gay, or a part of me is gay, for thinking the way I was thinking. In a criticizing way, using the g word like the f word for homosexuals.
Considering it ended with "why do you keep feeding it," there is no positive reading. There is no point in giving this little creature the benefit of the doubt. He keeps sticking his ass where it isn't wanted and then pretending he's too stupid to think through the consequences of his actions, so he shouldn't have to face them. Well now that they're fucking bombing us and encouraging us to be lined up in front of firing squads, I'm done giving any benefit of the doubt. Homophobia gets the thumbscrews at minimum. He should be /grateful/.
Sorry for fucking up your actually not-terrible topic with this shit, but ... yeah.
Ok, well, my poem (and I didn't think of it as a poem) wasn't directed at anyone in particular, but its supposed to draw a comparison between the 8 circuit model and a meme about two wolves that says something like "inside you there are two wolves, one is good and one is evil, the one that wins is the one you feed" that meme is so common that I've seen it parodied as "inside you there are two wolves, one is gay, the other is gay, you're gay.". I thought it was kinda funny, so I guess that makes me a bigot. But I was just trying to mash all those ideas together to hope that the reader would conclude that a)the 8 circuit model is a model and b)the circuit you "live" in is akin to the wolf that you feed.
I didn't mean any harm, I was just trying to have a little fun by participating in a discussion on a topic I find interesting without getting too grey faced about it.
I legit have no idea what you (altered) are talking about with the genocide/lined up in front of firing squads stuff. I don't hate and I'm not a hateful person, I guess I come across as brash or whatever, but, i mean, geeze, cut a guy some slack, would ya? I mean, maybe you feed the gay wolf cuz that's your favorite one? I dunno...
Quote from: altered on April 06, 2022, 11:18:45 PM
rong, would you like to do me a favor? A small one. Take your homophobic bullshit, load it into a gun, and blow your fucking nuts off.
Right now, every day, I wake up to see a new thing coming for me and mine with weapons and hate. And this is one place I go where I don't have to deal with it, until fucking now. Yes yes it's just a fucking joke.
Fuck you.
Start rotting, rong.
Hahaha. Now there's a joke, shitbird. Not even the worms will roost in your hate-withered carcass.
You and your ilk are slimy little things I will crush and destroy, one fine day, but for now I'm content to leave you alone so long as you go away, and do irreparable, painful damage to yourself every time you think something bigoted is even a little funny. It is literally the least you could do for me, my demands get increasingly aggressive from here on out.
Leave. And do hurt yourself on the way out, I demand it as payment for the fucking graves you're defiling with your homophobic nonsense.
I'm Hamish Howl and I support every word of the above post.
Quote from: altered on April 07, 2022, 01:33:07 AM
Considering it ended with "why do you keep feeding it," there is no positive reading. There is no point in giving this little creature the benefit of the doubt. He keeps sticking his ass where it isn't wanted and then pretending he's too stupid to think through the consequences of his actions, so he shouldn't have to face them. Well now that they're fucking bombing us and encouraging us to be lined up in front of firing squads, I'm done giving any benefit of the doubt. Homophobia gets the thumbscrews at minimum. He should be /grateful/.
Sorry for fucking up your actually not-terrible topic with this shit, but ... yeah.
He's been a passive-aggressive ass all the years he's been here.
please choose the response that best conforms to your biases:
1) we all know it's impossible for people to change
2) sorry about that, if you could please provide a list of approved methods of aggression, I'll try to stick to those
3) no, you're the passive aggressive ass, i just try to make jokes but suffer from bad taste
4) this page is important. the opinions of those who post here are important. only correct opinions will be tolerated.
5) PD doesn't care about your feelings, unless they get hurt by a passive aggressive ass, what a jerk!
holy shit! look!!! (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/inside-you-there-are-two-wolves)
Quote from: rong on April 07, 2022, 01:57:40 AM
geeze, cut a guy some slack, would ya?
What have you ever said or done that would earn you any slack?
Quote from: rong on April 07, 2022, 12:55:06 PM
1) we all know it's impossible for people to change
Have you changed? Do you want to change? Are you going to change?
Quote
i just try to make jokes but suffer from bad taste
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I'll have to read the article, once someone finally digs it up.
In the mean time, it is still my opinion that certain psychedelic drugs temporarily vastly increase the quantity of love experienced by the tripper - while tripping - as a source of the trip.
I suspect people that flip out and go Nazi or bigoted loonie toon were exposed to some kind of Nazi symbolism, or racist symbolism, and experienced spiritual fascination, maybe fell in love with the symbolism. If the psychedelics really do increase love, it would be easier to trigger new attachments.
I think increased love loosening the bonds of the ego (psychedelic love or not) can also induce gullibility. Because the part of you normally imprinted to perceive certain signals as bullshit is turned off, you (I) have to stop every now and then and assess the probability the signal is bullshit apart from instinct.
Quote from: ArchangelIdiotis on April 06, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
I think it is possible to exist all the time on higher circuits. However, I don't know if that would necessarily be a good thing...
Have you ever met anyone
permanently operating on a "higher" circuit? I just think about people like Alan Watts.. definitely enlightened
in some sense. Still a miserable alchoholic.
I think that "unlocking" the higher circuits represents an increased "capacity", but doesn't necessarily mean you stay there forever. I think that consciousness which includes those "higher circuits" is only possible in certain moments.
QuoteI see the 8 circuits as evolution toward more love.
That's one possible model.
My personal thinking is that they represent an evolution towards more
consciousness. That doesn't necessarily lead to more love, but for a lot of people it does.
Because a lot of people live in a selfish, ego-based world.. and psychedellics give some people the potential to taste other modes of being, like being more aware of other people's emotional experiences. This can lead to increased capacity for compassion and empathy. I think that [sensitivity towards others] is an "ahah" moment for many people because we're all conditioned to focus on other things. Maybe that says more about our alienating society than it does about psychedelic drugs.
I always think about that Tim Leary study that RAW cited -- about how people
expectations about the psychedelic experience have a
huge impact on how it actually works for them. Set and Setting, all that. People who expect to meet god on LSD often do meet god on LSD. People who expect to giggle for 8 hours have exactly that experience. And psychedelics are positioned in our culture as "mind expanding" substances, they are enjoyed by heady people, so maybe this mentally primes us to have these inner experiences.
I am reluctant to attribute any magical powers to the class of drugs itself. I've met a lot of people who think the world would fix itself if everybody just had a mushroom trip together. I disagree strongly; a lot of people are only barely hanging on to this merry-go-round, and all it takes is a little push for them to spin out into space. And as much as psychedelics can dissolve, they also have the potential to calcify and reenforce existing beliefs, deepen identification, and bring the shadow to the surface.
QuoteHave you ever met anyone permanently operating on a "higher" circuit?
I haven't opened them up and looked inside. It would be easier for me to describe my personal experience.
I am bias toward the "more love model" because my experiences have opened me up to an unconditional love for all sentient life. I no longer eat meat, I no longer believe in God, and I no longer experience fear/humility (very often). I am almost never depressed, possibly due to learning self-hypnosis from higher circuit activity.
I think it is possible to learn the abilities of the higher circuits at low levels of neural activity (when sober).
I don't necessarily think that anyone who experiences higher circuit activity will move toward more love. I think the experience of entering the higher circuits usually involves a temporary state of increased love, that may not carry over to sobriety. But when it does, sober intoxication is more sustainable.
There may be ample examples of higher circuit activity not resulting from increased love. Ketamine, for example, according to a paper I just skimmed through, doesn't seem to have a very high affinity for serotonin, at least at antidepressant dosages, and it is reputed by RAW to activate the 8th circuit. Serotonin is one postulated explanation of spiritual feelings on psychedelics.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793827/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793827/) - the paper
But I feel like there's a value to the model I've presented. It seems to help me to understand higher circuit awareness in a manner practical for exploring consciousness expansion.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on April 07, 2022, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: rong on April 07, 2022, 01:57:40 AM
geeze, cut a guy some slack, would ya?
What have you ever said or done that would earn you any slack?
Quote from: rong on April 07, 2022, 12:55:06 PM
1) we all know it's impossible for people to change
Have you changed? Do you want to change? Are you going to change?
Quote
i just try to make jokes but suffer from bad taste
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Quote from: rong on April 07, 2022, 12:55:06 PM
please choose the response that best conforms to your biases:
1) we all know it's impossible for people to change
2) sorry about that, if you could please provide a list of approved methods of aggression, I'll try to stick to those
3) no, you're the passive aggressive ass, i just try to make jokes but suffer from bad taste
4) this page is important. the opinions of those who post here are important. only correct opinions will be tolerated.
5) PD doesn't care about your feelings, unless they get hurt by a passive aggressive ass, what a jerk!
It's not so much "hurt feelings" as a minor but persistent annoyance.
"HURR HURR THEY'RE TRIGGERED AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!"
- Rong, all alone at the party.
Here's just a small sample of the really awesome power you'll get if you find the partially consumed yellow snowball necessary to join my ostrich cult:
How to turn invisible
It's pretty dark, not pitch black. You visualize pitch black shadows surrounding your body, you visualize them intently, and any time anyone shows up, you project the visualization into their psyche and you hold onto the projected image, keep projecting it. Make sure the shadows cover up -everything-.
If basic telepathy is real, you are now invisible. Unfortunately testing this ability is subjective as it is kind of dark, so people might not see you either way...
Quote from: ArchangelIdiotis on April 13, 2022, 09:59:11 AM
Here's just a small sample of the really awesome power you'll get if you find the partially consumed yellow snowball necessary to join my ostrich cult:
How to turn invisible
It's pretty dark, not pitch black. You visualize pitch black shadows surrounding your body, you visualize them intently, and any time anyone shows up, you project the visualization into their psyche and you hold onto the projected image, keep projecting it. Make sure the shadows cover up -everything-.
If basic telepathy is real, you are now invisible. Unfortunately testing this ability is subjective as it is kind of dark, so people might not see you either way...
But if I'm invisible, I will also by definition be blind.
True, you're blind to the truth if you think you're invisible.
Or if you meant if it actually worked you'd be blind because the shadows are covering everything, erm, I could edit my post slightly so that *everything only means your whole body. You're projecting an image of blackness as what is communicated about your immediate area; you aren't telepathically transmitting everything you see.
Edit: another experiment in telepathic mind control. How vividly can you imagine the room you occupy without you in it? Brightly lit, so you can see everything, and you just project the image of the room without you in it as coming from your location into everyone's brain that shows up. You have to keep projecting the image for the duration you want to be invisible.
Only real Discordians deserve the superpower of invisibility.
Quote from: ArchangelIdiotis on April 14, 2022, 03:39:34 AM
True, you're blind to the truth if you think you're invisible.
Or if you meant if it actually worked you'd be blind because the shadows are covering everything, erm, I could edit my post slightly so that *everything only means your whole body. You're projecting an image of blackness as what is communicated about your immediate area; you aren't telepathically transmitting everything you see.
It sounds more like everyone else will be invisible, if light can't bounce off of my retinas.
This sounds like a really miserable superpower.