Anyone practice it.I mean, it's merely a form of entertainment, not some one stop to enlightenment. I usually end up grabbing titties. Which is a bit shallow, I'll be the first to admit. Generally, with this thread, I'm hoping to get some tips on getting something more substantial out of it.
I'm not sure what the attraction is, to be honest.
Dreams, to me, are like movies. And if I'm directing them, then there's no surprises. Boring.
You could "travel places".
Either starting from your room, reaching little checkpoints (the ceiling, the door, lamp in living room) until you are outside. Then go anywhere. Keeping it realistic is a challenge and fun.
Well, I guess it's the same attraction as playing a video game. And it gives you a chance to go over your brain real good. But, yeah, something would be lacking if all my dreams were lucid.
Quote from: Alty on December 27, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
You could "travel places".
Either starting from your room, reaching little checkpoints (the ceiling, the door, lamp in living room) until you are outside. Then go anywhere. Keeping it realistic is a challenge and fun.
Yeah, problem is, by the time I get to checkpoint #1, the dudes with no faces are chasing me, and everything goes downhill from there.
I think the brain can suprise you sometimes, thats why keeping it mundane and then seeing what happens is fun for me.
That said, I am too lazy for lucid dreaming.
And I am grateful when the world just STOPS for a little bit.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
Well, I guess it's the same attraction as playing a video game. And it gives you a chance to go over your brain real good.
Have you SEEN my brain? I don't want anything to do with that filthy bucket of slop.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Alty on December 27, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
You could "travel places".
Either starting from your room, reaching little checkpoints (the ceiling, the door, lamp in living room) until you are outside. Then go anywhere. Keeping it realistic is a challenge and fun.
Yeah, problem is, by the time I get to checkpoint #1, the dudes with no faces are chasing me, and everything goes downhill from there.
:lol:
Well, its not for everybody.
But if only you could PROJECT your dreams.
Quote from: Alty on December 27, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
You could "travel places".
Either starting from your room, reaching little checkpoints (the ceiling, the door, lamp in living room) until you are outside. Then go anywhere. Keeping it realistic is a challenge and fun.
Exactly, when I realize I'm in my room, I know it's a lucid dream generally. I always worry that the lock on my door is going to be set, but it never is.
Quote from: Alty on December 27, 2013, 07:12:53 PM
But if only you could PROJECT your dreams.
Nobody would ever get bored. Ever.
My experiments with lucid dreaming led to night terrors, a higher frequency of nightmares, and being exhausted as fuck in the morning. I'm too tense and anal retentive to enjoy it.
My brain won't let me lucid dream. As soon as I realize that I'm in a dream I wake up :(
I don't wanna fuck around with dreams anyway. At worst case that's basically the same as fucking around with your computers filing mechanism when you have no idea what you're doing.
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
I don't wanna fuck around with dreams anyway. At worst case that's basically the same as fucking around with your computers filing mechanism when you have no idea what you're doing.
Yeah, if dreams are your brain's way of taking out the trash, why the fuck would you monkey with it?
Odds are, you'll just wind up with the trashman on strike and your head full of garbage.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
I don't wanna fuck around with dreams anyway. At worst case that's basically the same as fucking around with your computers filing mechanism when you have no idea what you're doing.
Yeah, if dreams are your brain's way of taking out the trash, why the fuck would you monkey with it?
Odds are, you'll just wind up with the trashman on strike and your head full of garbage.
It would start leaking out your various orifices in a glompy manner.
It would not look 'smart casual' at
all.
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
I don't wanna fuck around with dreams anyway. At worst case that's basically the same as fucking around with your computers filing mechanism when you have no idea what you're doing.
Yeah, if dreams are your brain's way of taking out the trash, why the fuck would you monkey with it?
Odds are, you'll just wind up with the trashman on strike and your head full of garbage.
It would start leaking out your various orifices in a glompy manner.
It would not look 'smart casual' at all.
My neighbors already make signs against the evil eye when I walk out of my house. No need to push things.
Um, well, yes...Actually there's a real need to push things. But not with some pseudo-Zen woo.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 09:08:03 PM
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
I don't wanna fuck around with dreams anyway. At worst case that's basically the same as fucking around with your computers filing mechanism when you have no idea what you're doing.
Yeah, if dreams are your brain's way of taking out the trash, why the fuck would you monkey with it?
Odds are, you'll just wind up with the trashman on strike and your head full of garbage.
It would start leaking out your various orifices in a glompy manner.
It would not look 'smart casual' at all.
My neighbors already make signs against the evil eye when I walk out of my house. No need to push things.
Um, well, yes...Actually there's a real need to push things. But not with some pseudo-Zen woo.
"Push things with your truck, not your mind"
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 09:08:03 PM
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 27, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: Payne on December 27, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
I don't wanna fuck around with dreams anyway. At worst case that's basically the same as fucking around with your computers filing mechanism when you have no idea what you're doing.
Yeah, if dreams are your brain's way of taking out the trash, why the fuck would you monkey with it?
Odds are, you'll just wind up with the trashman on strike and your head full of garbage.
It would start leaking out your various orifices in a glompy manner.
It would not look 'smart casual' at all.
My neighbors already make signs against the evil eye when I walk out of my house. No need to push things.
Um, well, yes...Actually there's a real need to push things. But not with some pseudo-Zen woo.
"Push things with your truck, not your mind"
Damn right.
I wouldn't call it "lucid dreaming" per se, but I have made a conscious change in how I behave in my dreams over the years. I never run from anything in a dream, anymore. If anything fucks with me, I murder it to death. Also, no more falling dreams since I learned that you can't fall if you're holding your breath.
I do still get sleep paralysis accompanied by various boogiemonsters. By the time I'm able to gain control of my limbs to choke the shit out of whatever is in my room, it's always gone. :sad:
Sometimes they come back as soon as I'm asleep again, and I have to get up and punch some walls to let them know I mean business, and that they should get the hell out of my walls.
The easiest way to induce a lucid dream is to stay awake for 48 hours or more and then sleep for 12 hours or more.
This is also the least healthy way to do it but it has worked for me several times. I wasn't actually trying to lucid dream in those situations but it works.
I've also started to lucid dream during ordinary sleep which might have a lot to do with me having kept a dream diary in the past along with having experienced full control when sleeping after bouts of insomnia.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 07:06:12 PM
Anyone practice it.I mean, it's merely a form of entertainment, not some one stop to enlightenment. I usually end up grabbing titties. Which is a bit shallow, I'll be the first to admit. Generally, with this thread, I'm hoping to get some tips on getting something more substantial out of it.
What is it you want to do? I am shitty at sleeping and as a result I find myself lucid dreaming a lot. All you have to do is realize that you're dreaming, and then you can control what happens, which is really useful when your dreams are frequently horrific.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 07:06:12 PM
Anyone practice it.I mean, it's merely a form of entertainment, not some one stop to enlightenment. I usually end up grabbing titties. Which is a bit shallow, I'll be the first to admit. Generally, with this thread, I'm hoping to get some tips on getting something more substantial out of it.
What is it you want to do? I am shitty at sleeping and as a result I find myself lucid dreaming a lot. All you have to do is realize that you're dreaming, and then you can control what happens, which is really useful when your dreams are frequently horrific.
I really don't know exactly. That's kind of why I was asking. I really have a lot of respect for the dream world, and was hoping for a more substantial dream experience, I guess. I don't know. I've got the basics of lucid dreaming down and figure about 40% of my dreams are lucid.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 02:45:06 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 07:06:12 PM
Anyone practice it.I mean, it's merely a form of entertainment, not some one stop to enlightenment. I usually end up grabbing titties. Which is a bit shallow, I'll be the first to admit. Generally, with this thread, I'm hoping to get some tips on getting something more substantial out of it.
What is it you want to do? I am shitty at sleeping and as a result I find myself lucid dreaming a lot. All you have to do is realize that you're dreaming, and then you can control what happens, which is really useful when your dreams are frequently horrific.
I really don't know exactly. That's kind of why I was asking. I really have a lot of respect for the dream world, and was hoping for a more substantial dream experience, I guess. I don't know. I've got the basics of lucid dreaming down and figure about 40% of my dreams are lucid.
Do you want more interesting things to happen? Because that might require doing interesting things IRL.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 02:52:57 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 02:45:06 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 07:06:12 PM
Anyone practice it.I mean, it's merely a form of entertainment, not some one stop to enlightenment. I usually end up grabbing titties. Which is a bit shallow, I'll be the first to admit. Generally, with this thread, I'm hoping to get some tips on getting something more substantial out of it.
What is it you want to do? I am shitty at sleeping and as a result I find myself lucid dreaming a lot. All you have to do is realize that you're dreaming, and then you can control what happens, which is really useful when your dreams are frequently horrific.
I really don't know exactly. That's kind of why I was asking. I really have a lot of respect for the dream world, and was hoping for a more substantial dream experience, I guess. I don't know. I've got the basics of lucid dreaming down and figure about 40% of my dreams are lucid.
Do you want more interesting things to happen? Because that might require doing interesting things IRL.
I'm totally allergic to RL interesting things :sad:
The levels of interesting in my dreams enjoy an inverse relation to that same quality in waking life?
That would actually make sense to me, as dreams, I think, are designed to give you what you're not getting in life.
In my experience dreams are for your brain working through the shit your consciousness won't let you work through during the day.
Obidex, I think you are overestimating your worth to reality.
Quote from: :regret: on December 28, 2013, 03:29:38 AM
Obidex, I think you are overestimating your worth to reality.
Who could even postulate such a thing? A god maybe.
I'm quite proficient at it, if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 02:56:25 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 02:52:57 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 02:45:06 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 07:06:12 PM
Anyone practice it.I mean, it's merely a form of entertainment, not some one stop to enlightenment. I usually end up grabbing titties. Which is a bit shallow, I'll be the first to admit. Generally, with this thread, I'm hoping to get some tips on getting something more substantial out of it.
What is it you want to do? I am shitty at sleeping and as a result I find myself lucid dreaming a lot. All you have to do is realize that you're dreaming, and then you can control what happens, which is really useful when your dreams are frequently horrific.
I really don't know exactly. That's kind of why I was asking. I really have a lot of respect for the dream world, and was hoping for a more substantial dream experience, I guess. I don't know. I've got the basics of lucid dreaming down and figure about 40% of my dreams are lucid.
Do you want more interesting things to happen? Because that might require doing interesting things IRL.
I'm totally allergic to RL interesting things :sad:
Go watch "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" and then talk to me.
Odibex, here's a suggestion. Self-analyze your biases and privlidges, then lucid dream them to get your subconscious to eliminate them.
For example (and I don't intend this example to be about you), if one sees themselves as unconsciously homophobic, then one can dream about them grabbing cock rather than titties.
That sounds tricky, a try I'll give it.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 03:59:18 AM
Go watch "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" and then talk to me.
I'll look for it.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 03:16:04 AM
That would actually make sense to me, as dreams, I think, are designed to give you what you're not getting in life.
Mostly I think they're just for sorting through input and maybe some wish/fear-fulfillment thrown in about things that are of concern to you, but I don't think they're in any way "designed to give you what you're not getting in life".
I sometimes get lucid when I sleep on my back.
Then I think "Ah, dreaming! I should be able to pass through walls like a ghost" and try to put my hand through and...wall. Same as IRL. And I feel stupid. :lol:
Yeah, sometimes I'm still scared to jump out a window or something even though I know I can make myself fly.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 03:16:04 AM
That would actually make sense to me, as dreams, I think, are designed to give you what you're not getting in life.
Mostly I think they're just for sorting through input and maybe some wish/fear-fulfillment thrown in about things that are of concern to you, but I don't think they're in any way "designed to give you what you're not getting in life".
I mean, like, if you haven't been experiencing much fear in your waking life, you're more likely to have nightmares. Just a theory, and not mine I don't think. I remember vaguely reading it somewhere.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 07:07:44 PM
Yeah, sometimes I'm still scared to jump out a window or something even though I know I can make myself fly.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 03:16:04 AM
That would actually make sense to me, as dreams, I think, are designed to give you what you're not getting in life.
Mostly I think they're just for sorting through input and maybe some wish/fear-fulfillment thrown in about things that are of concern to you, but I don't think they're in any way "designed to give you what you're not getting in life".
I mean, like, if you haven't been experiencing much fear in your waking life, you're more likely to have nightmares. Just a theory, and not mine I don't think. I remember vaguely reading it somewhere.
O.O Nope. Pretty sure that's not an accurate theory. At least in my experience. My nightmares/night terrors/etc were at their peak when I was a wee thing being used as a human hackey-sack. I think it has more to do with the levels of stress and hyper-vigilance and slowly going crazy with pain and fear and being trapped in hell. No escape, even in sleep, etc.
It seems like at high stress levels that happens, but at the lower levels it's more of a balancing thing...for me, anyway.
When things are uneventful I tend to dream just the opposite of whatever's been going on - if I'm broke, I might dream I've got a fat wad of cash, but if things are OK, I'll dream they're NOT.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 07:07:44 PM
Yeah, sometimes I'm still scared to jump out a window or something even though I know I can make myself fly.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 03:16:04 AM
That would actually make sense to me, as dreams, I think, are designed to give you what you're not getting in life.
Mostly I think they're just for sorting through input and maybe some wish/fear-fulfillment thrown in about things that are of concern to you, but I don't think they're in any way "designed to give you what you're not getting in life".
I mean, like, if you haven't been experiencing much fear in your waking life, you're more likely to have nightmares. Just a theory, and not mine I don't think. I remember vaguely reading it somewhere.
It sounds nice, but it doesn't have much basis in reality. The most likely explanation is that dreaming has multiple purposes, one of which is simply organizing information and solving problems. Look at Dr. Mark Stokes' research.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 08:30:54 PMThe most likely explanation is that dreaming has multiple purposes, one of which is simply organizing information and solving problems. Look at Dr. Mark Stokes' research.
My dreams are so out-there neither of those options sound plausible. I'm finding I'm rather fond of my theory and letting it go isn't going to be easy.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 08:30:54 PMThe most likely explanation is that dreaming has multiple purposes, one of which is simply organizing information and solving problems. Look at Dr. Mark Stokes' research.
My dreams are so out-there neither of those options sound plausible. I'm finding I'm rather fond of my theory and letting it go isn't going to be easy.
That is a uniqe position you have there.
Here, let me introduce you to a friend of mine.
:showus:
He's got better teeth than me.
I keep making "reality checks" in the hopes that once I lucid dream, I could experience flying and traveling to utopian paradises.
Every single time I end up lucid dreaming, I start to make naked women and get excited enough to wake up.
Is there anyway to combat this, or am I just too shallow to do anything else?
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 08:30:54 PMThe most likely explanation is that dreaming has multiple purposes, one of which is simply organizing information and solving problems. Look at Dr. Mark Stokes' research.
My dreams are so out-there neither of those options sound plausible. I'm finding I'm rather fond of my theory and letting it go isn't going to be easy.
You can believe whatever you want. Hell, you can believe in homeopathy if you feel like it.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 08:30:54 PMThe most likely explanation is that dreaming has multiple purposes, one of which is simply organizing information and solving problems. Look at Dr. Mark Stokes' research.
My dreams are so out-there neither of those options sound plausible. I'm finding I'm rather fond of my theory and letting it go isn't going to be easy.
Dig them heels in! Screech! Don't let anyone piss on your intellectual territory!
Yeah, I know. :roll: The idea is just too good or I am too old.
Quote from: Slippils on December 28, 2013, 11:39:35 PM
I keep making "reality checks" in the hopes that once I lucid dream, I could experience flying and traveling to utopian paradises.
Every single time I end up lucid dreaming, I start to make naked women and get excited enough to wake up.
Is there anyway to combat this, or am I just too shallow to do anything else?
Hmm.. I don't know. I think you're halfway there already,maybe it's just a matter of time.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 29, 2013, 06:03:44 AM
Yeah, I know. :roll: The idea is just too good or I am too old.
I'm older than you and I change my mind all the time.
Well, you must've thoroughly tread those lonely canyons in your mind. I think I'm a bit what they call hard-headed.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 29, 2013, 06:25:33 PM
Well, you must've thoroughly tread those lonely canyons in your mind. I think I'm a bit what they call hard-headed.
No, I ignore everything I can't drink or punch. I'm damn near Irish that way.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 28, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 28, 2013, 08:30:54 PMThe most likely explanation is that dreaming has multiple purposes, one of which is simply organizing information and solving problems. Look at Dr. Mark Stokes' research.
My dreams are so out-there neither of those options sound plausible. I'm finding I'm rather fond of my theory and letting it go isn't going to be easy.
I'm guessing that you think your dreams are "out there" but it's basically a combination of you not getting out much and never having compared your dreams to other people's dreams. Everyone has fuckin' weird dreams, it's what dreams do.
Yeah, but why so weird if it's all about sorting knowledge and working out problems?
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 29, 2013, 11:55:13 PM
Yeah, but why so weird if it's all about sorting knowledge and working out problems?
Because your brain likes to work in imagery and metaphor. And despite people liking to compare it to a computer is not completely logical at all.
Hm. I suppose. Sure is confusing though.. I guess the problem is I'm trying to interpret dreams literally.
Please check your computers for worms and avoid bringing cats, they tend to tie things up here, oh, and the connections, forget about it: this is the, last, "resort".
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 29, 2013, 11:55:13 PM
Yeah, but why so weird if it's all about sorting knowledge and working out problems?
Because inputs are weird and along with what's possible also comes thoughts of what's not possible, all of which need to be assimilated.
How many weird random things do you think every day? Do you think that somehow goes away when you sleep?
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 30, 2013, 01:57:54 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 29, 2013, 11:55:13 PM
Yeah, but why so weird if it's all about sorting knowledge and working out problems?
Because inputs are weird and along with what's possible also comes thoughts of what's not possible, all of which need to be assimilated.
How many weird random things do you think every day? Do you think that somehow goes away when you sleep?
It's uncanny how anything like an intelligible signal gets through at all, even its own absence occurring only on the condition that there exists a further ground of understanding.