Zimmerman found "not guilty"
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Yeah just saw it!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-found-not-guilty/2514163/
It took me fourteen minutes to get a death threat on youtube
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DO IT! DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!
Are you serious?
I'm finding stupid shit faster than I can upload and post. Po'buckers EVERYWHERE.
So I know nobody wants to hear it, but regardless of the fact that we all think he shouldn't have shot the kid, from a purely legal standpoint there was no way he was ever gonna be convicted of homicide. Jury handed down the correct verdict for the case they were presented. Prosecution should have been smart enough to go for manslaughter instead but, well, Florida.
Chasing somebody who didn't do anything to you down the street and killing them would be enough for a conviction, I would think.
SYG makes it confusing institutionalized racism though.
Well, that and the lady who's doing 20 years for firing warning shots (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/).
Hello, 1955.
Well, there's the whole part where the kid threw punches. That certainly muddies the water in terms of making a homicide case. And Florida's "legal" system and racial hijinks don't change the fact that if it weren't for all the media sensationalism surrounding the case it would have been a manslaughter case and a fairly easy one to make.
Does anybody remember "self defense"?
Just sayin.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 14, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
Well, there's the whole part where the kid threw punches. That certainly muddies the water in terms of making a homicide case. And Florida's "legal" system and racial hijinks don't change the fact that if it weren't for all the media sensationalism surrounding the case it would have been a manslaughter case and a fairly easy one to make.
If it weren't for all the media sensationalism, he wouldn't even have gotten
arrested.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 14, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
Well, there's the whole part where the kid threw punches. That certainly muddies the water in terms of making a homicide case. And Florida's "legal" system and racial hijinks don't change the fact that if it weren't for all the media sensationalism surrounding the case it would have been a manslaughter case and a fairly easy one to make.
If someone is chasing after me I assume he's trying to kill me, or mug me. Exception being cops since I'll prolong my death by not swinging.
I don't think anybody is hearing what I'm saying.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 15, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
I don't think anybody is hearing what I'm saying.
No, as disgusting a human being as Zimmerman clearly is, I can see the points your making.
Just because the prosecutors in FL are a pack of fucking mouth breathing morons doesn't mean the jury was wrong, from a clearly legal standpoint.
Yeah, laws are stupid sometimes, but those jurors received explicit instruction as to burden of proof, etc.
Blame lobbyists, blame Barack Obama, blame guns. But the reality is, things are the way they are at this precise moment, and regardless of whether we should change them or not, those a lot of people got to this place based on that actual reality.
As opposed to the illustrator world that contains Justice that people have convinced themselves, somehow, exists.
I can't help thinking that public pressure played a role in this. We DEMANDED that they try him for murder instead of manslaughter, and they did, despite the fact that murder was an unwinnable case. He probably would have been convicted of manslaughter, but then we would be complaining about how it should have been murder.
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Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 14, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
Well, there's the whole part where the kid threw punches. That certainly muddies the water in terms of making a homicide case. And Florida's "legal" system and racial hijinks don't change the fact that if it weren't for all the media sensationalism surrounding the case it would have been a manslaughter case and a fairly easy one to make.
Manslaughter was one of the jury's options.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/
QuoteFor second-degree murder, the jurors would have had to believe that Martin's unlawful killing was "done from ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent" and would be "of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life."
What led jurors to this verdict?
To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the jurors would have had to believe he "intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin." That charge could have carried a sentence of up to 30 years in prison, though the jury was not told of that possible sentence.
Ultimately, they believed Zimmerman wasn't guilty of either charge. None of the jurors wanted to speak to the media after the verdict.
Oh. I didn't realize they also had the option of convicting him of manslaughter.
That's alot more depressing.
Quote from: stelz on July 14, 2013, 10:10:40 AM
Chasing somebody who didn't do anything to you down the street and killing them would be enough for a conviction, I would think.
SYG makes it confusing institutionalized racism though.
Well, that and the lady who's doing 20 years for firing warning shots (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/).
Hello, 1955.
Shooting a wall = 20 years shooting a person = acquittal That is messed up.
At first I thought there was more to the story. But no. She had no criminal record. She had already filed a restraining order. And to blame her for going back into HER OWN DAMN HOUSE, to get her keys so that she could flee is ridiculous. Though not quite as ridiculous as the state prosecuting attorney's quote:
Quote"You can't shoot a gun at people," Corey said at the time. "...What if it had hit someone?"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/15/is-it-fair-that-a-florida-mom-received-a-20-year-sentence-for-firing-warning-shot/
Also the state's 10-20-life law is certainly not being implemented the way it was intended.
QuoteThe state's "10-20-life" law was implemented in 1999, saying anyone who shows a gun in the commission of certain felonies gets an automatic 10 years in prison. Fire the gun, and it's an automatic 20 years. Shoot and wound someone, and it's 25 years to life.
Quote"The irony of the 10-20-life law is the people who actually think they're innocent of the crime, they roll the dice and take their chances, and they get the really harsh prison sentences," Newburn said. "Whereas the people who think they are actually guilty of the crime take the plea deal and get out (of prison) well before. So it certainly isn't working the way it is intended."
Also she had a master's degree. Thank goodness we got her off the streets.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 15, 2013, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 14, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
Well, there's the whole part where the kid threw punches. That certainly muddies the water in terms of making a homicide case. And Florida's "legal" system and racial hijinks don't change the fact that if it weren't for all the media sensationalism surrounding the case it would have been a manslaughter case and a fairly easy one to make.
Manslaughter was one of the jury's options.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/
QuoteFor second-degree murder, the jurors would have had to believe that Martin's unlawful killing was "done from ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent" and would be "of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life."
What led jurors to this verdict?
To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the jurors would have had to believe he "intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin." That charge could have carried a sentence of up to 30 years in prison, though the jury was not told of that possible sentence.
Ultimately, they believed Zimmerman wasn't guilty of either charge. None of the jurors wanted to speak to the media after the verdict.
FUCK that jury, then.
Even though that's CNN, I still kinda want a second source, because, welll, fuck.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 16, 2013, 01:44:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 15, 2013, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 14, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
Well, there's the whole part where the kid threw punches. That certainly muddies the water in terms of making a homicide case. And Florida's "legal" system and racial hijinks don't change the fact that if it weren't for all the media sensationalism surrounding the case it would have been a manslaughter case and a fairly easy one to make.
Manslaughter was one of the jury's options.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/
QuoteFor second-degree murder, the jurors would have had to believe that Martin's unlawful killing was "done from ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent" and would be "of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life."
What led jurors to this verdict?
To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the jurors would have had to believe he "intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin." That charge could have carried a sentence of up to 30 years in prison, though the jury was not told of that possible sentence.
Ultimately, they believed Zimmerman wasn't guilty of either charge. None of the jurors wanted to speak to the media after the verdict.
FUCK that jury, then.
Imagine the selection process. :x :x :x
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 16, 2013, 03:37:41 AM
Even though that's CNN, I still kinda want a second source, because, welll, fuck.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-found-not-guilty/2514163/
QuoteSANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman, the man accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, was found not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter Saturday night.
Yeah, I was in the same boat as ECH - the only reason I can give for the jury not going for manslaughter is, well, Florida.