Cram thank you for graciously accepting my apology for the way I treated you in the Secrets thread.
You brought up several very good points during our conversation.
We are too quick to gauge posts by post count. We are too quick to dog pile. We place too much value on poster reputation and not enough on content.
Again I am very sorry for treating you the way I did and as I said in the future I will try not to be so quick to snap at anyone.
And Dok Howl and everyone else who might have been offended, I newbed and posted what was a response to Phineas and decidedly NOT Cramulus. Starkest apologies! :oops:
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
And Dok Howl and everyone else who might have been offended, I newbed and posted what was a response to Phineas and decidedly NOT Cramulus. Starkest apologies! :oops:
They are one in the same.
Well, that's embarrassing. I assumed that someone with a low post count is, you know, new, new like me. But I guess I'm in the dickhead corner now.
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
Well, that's embarrassing. I assumed that someone with a low post count is, you know, new, new like me. But I guess I'm in the dickhead corner now.
Read my full OP. We are all far too guilty of that very thing.
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
Well, that's embarrassing. I assumed that someone with a low post count is, you know, new, new like me. But I guess I'm in the dickhead corner now.
Read my full OP. We are all far too guilty of that very thing.
Yes, just reread it. What makes it worse is I'm /actually/ new. Embarrassing.
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
Well, that's embarrassing. I assumed that someone with a low post count is, you know, new, new like me. But I guess I'm in the dickhead corner now.
Read my full OP. We are all far too guilty of that very thing.
Yes, just reread it. What makes it worse is I'm /actually/ new. Embarrassing.
It shouldn't matter if you are new is the point I am trying to make. Post count should not affect the way we judge a post.
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 09:59:45 PM
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
Well, that's embarrassing. I assumed that someone with a low post count is, you know, new, new like me. But I guess I'm in the dickhead corner now.
Read my full OP. We are all far too guilty of that very thing.
Yes, just reread it. What makes it worse is I'm /actually/ new. Embarrassing.
It shouldn't matter if you are new is the point I am trying to make. Post count should not affect the way we judge a post.
Maybe all the lurking was a bad thing then, as I passively slurped that mode of judgment in without thinking about it. Does not knowing this alt was Cramulus make it worse? I have a feeling it does.
I really,
really don't want to be an idiot. That's my life goal, to not be an idiot, knowing until then I must compensate for the dumb things I say and do. This is one of those dumb things.
Fuck that. Cram's posts were only any good because he was a pretend noob. Rather than going and doing something radical like giving everyone a fair chance, let's settle down and think this through!
Maybe we can do a quick history check on noobs we want to react negatively to and ensure that:
A) The rest of the tribe haven't already grown fond of the noob, in which case your lashing out at them may jeopardise your own status.
AND
B) That the noob hasn't outed themselves or been outed as the alt of someone with something interesting to say.
Otherwise the rule stands true.
Real noobs have nothing of value to add until they've been properly tested.
Quote from: Ferka Zarco on July 29, 2010, 10:10:35 PM
Fuck that. Cram's posts were only any good because he was a pretend noob. Rather than going and doing something radical like giving everyone a fair chance, let's settle down and think this through!
Maybe we can do a quick history check on noobs we want to react negatively to and ensure that:
A) The rest of the tribe haven't already grown fond of the noob, in which case your lashing out at them may jeopardise your own status.
AND
B) That the noob hasn't outed themselves or been outed as the alt of someone with something interesting to say.
Otherwise the rule stands true.
Real noobs have nothing of value to add until they've been properly tested.
This part scares me a little.
ETA:
Yep, just peed myself a bit.
:aww:
Quote from: Ferka Zarco on July 29, 2010, 10:10:35 PM
Fuck that. Cram's posts were only any good because he was a pretend noob. Rather than going and doing something radical like giving everyone a fair chance, let's settle down and think this through!
Maybe we can do a quick history check on noobs we want to react negatively to and ensure that:
A) The rest of the tribe haven't already grown fond of the noob, in which case your lashing out at them may jeopardise your own status.
AND
B) That the noob hasn't outed themselves or been outed as the alt of someone with something interesting to say.
Otherwise the rule stands true.
Real noobs have nothing of value to add until they've been properly tested.
Zyxyx,
real noob.
Look, I've been mostly lurking or making brief comments on things this past month or so because I
know I don't have much to say yet. Having assumed Phineas was also new, I suggested he do what I was doing. Never would have done so if I knew he was a long-term member of this board, especially one whose posts I particularly enjoy reading.
<------------low post count.
<------------properly tested.
<------------has nothing of value to add.
I see both sides. You use an alt, you're going to be treated more or less NOT like your usual self.
THAT being said, dogpiling's pretty shitty. I'm not saying Cram was dogpiled, because I'd have to go back and read it. (and I'm sorta nervous about that damned ultrasound I'm about to have, so I'll skip that)
And to any who are wondering: Yes, I have splinters in my ass from all the fence-sitting.
Quote from: FireWillow on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
<------------low post count.
<------------properly tested.
<------------has nothing of value to add.
:emo:
I know Cram's alt and I treated him like a poster, noob or otherwise. I don't think the arguments were sound or well thought out (far different from Cram's usual fare).
Quote from: Cheese Hawk Fronkensteen on July 29, 2010, 10:44:17 PM
:emo:
this coming from someone who made a /b/ meme referance on the previous page... :horrormirth:
I know, I know...
I couldn't resist.
Speaking of that meme, did you see the Oprah show getting trolled? Hilarious.
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5903/levinewtf300x225.png) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/levinewtf300x225.png/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stn_XCo_dyg
Quote from: Cheese Hawk Fronkensteen on July 29, 2010, 11:32:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stn_XCo_dyg
9000 penises? Impressive. I thought this place was pretty awesome with just under 4000...
I love the people in the audience who laughed, they got it.
Quote from: FireWillow on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
<------------low post count.
<------------properly tested.
<------------has nothing of value to add.
I like seeing you here, like a trophy from tcc.
Quote from: Cheese Hawk Fronkensteen on July 29, 2010, 11:37:46 PM
I love the people in the audience who laughed, they got it.
I bet she was all "WTF? LAUGHTER?"
Quote from: Faust on July 29, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: FireWillow on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
<------------low post count.
<------------properly tested.
<------------has nothing of value to add.
I like seeing you here, like a trophy from tcc.
A war-bride, really.
Quote from: Faust on July 29, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
I like seeing you here, like a trophy from tcc.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on July 30, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: Cheese Hawk Fronkensteen on July 29, 2010, 11:37:46 PM
I love the people in the audience who laughed, they got it.
I bet she was all "WTF? LAUGHTER?"
She pauses in the video.
Quote from: Cain on July 30, 2010, 12:12:08 AM
Quote from: Faust on July 29, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: FireWillow on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
<------------low post count.
<------------properly tested.
<------------has nothing of value to add.
I like seeing you here, like a trophy from tcc.
A war-bride, really.
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc38/firewillow13/wes-spit-take.jpg)
REPUTATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS
POSTING AS AN ALT REMOVES ALL CONTEXT AND ADDS TO CONFUSION
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2010, 03:49:59 AM
REPUTATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS
POSTING AS AN ALT REMOVES ALL CONTEXT AND ADDS TO CONFUSION
The 'confusion' often arises from a negative response to the question "should I invest time trying to understand what this person is saying?", and reputations are the most important variable in the social calculus which goes on there.
Some people
are total idiots, there's no getting around that, but for most people if you invest a considerable amount of time, you can at least see why they aren't stupid for thinking a certain thing - even if you disagree completely with their conclusions. That isn't practical or scalable though for something like a web-forum because the amount of time required for everyone to fully understand everyone else follows "N!" I've spent a lot of time thinking about this and I don't have a ready answer.
What he said.
If a person you know well comes up to you and says something, it is very likely that it will be thought about with more consideration than if someone you barely knows says it. How well-regarded a person is by their peers is part of a social filtering effect that helps us decide whose opinions we should value and whose we can dismiss. This is a very valuable tool, though not without drawbacks.
Quote from: Captain Utopia on July 30, 2010, 04:04:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2010, 03:49:59 AM
REPUTATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS
POSTING AS AN ALT REMOVES ALL CONTEXT AND ADDS TO CONFUSION
The 'confusion' often arises from a negative response to the question "should I invest time trying to understand what this person is saying?", and reputations are the most important variable in the social calculus which goes on there.
Some people are total idiots, there's no getting around that, but for most people if you invest a considerable amount of time, you can at least see why they aren't stupid for thinking a certain thing - even if you disagree completely with their conclusions. That isn't practical or scalable though for something like a web-forum because the amount of time required for everyone to fully understand everyone else follows "N!" I've spent a lot of time thinking about this and I don't have a ready answer.
I didn't entirely understand your post, but I assume it has something to do with the mahdgickalz internet rising up and overthrowing the government as if by magic bringing a much desired end to their cruel reign and replacing the tyrannous system with a new perfect solution, bringing in a new age of peace and love for all and convincing the world leaders to disarm. It's always 'magic internet this' and 'magic internet that' with you.
That doesn't sound very likely, CU.
(Not really. I actually like your ideas but the 'magic internets' response felt obligatory, in context.)
At first I was like :| , and then I was like :lulz:
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2010, 03:49:59 AM
REPUTATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS
POSTING AS AN ALT REMOVES ALL CONTEXT AND ADDS TO CONFUSION
Also scotch.
If I recall, there have been plenty of posts in OKM by double- or even single-digit postcount n00bs where our response has been, "Whoa! Check out the brains on the n00b! Right on!"
The only concession I make to low postcounts is that I quickly skim over the post first to see if there's anything there that has already been debated to death that they may not have been aware of. Otherwise, the post sinks or swims on it's merits.
I will concede that there are certain posting habits on PD that make it easier to slip an idea through, and that n00bs who do not know these habits may encounter a bit more resistence. But by and large, if it's a good idea, I let it ride.
I for one don't regret what I said. I said what I said because I meant it, regardless of who was on the receiving end. And using an alt to make a point is stupid.
And another thing, yeah, I'm tribal, just like the rest of you wannabe-human apes. Of course I'm going to respect the opinion of someone I have more experience with than someone I don't. If cram would have outright posted the same things under his name, I would have said the same things back, albeit with less cursing. If I've made a mistake I'm going to wallow in it, rather than pretend I'm sorry. Because I'm not sorry. It felt good, and I'm totally sick and tired of false dilemmas and fake explanations and bad generalizations and even worse extrapolating mixed metaphors. Any discomfort I might feel at it is completely from social expectations and not a bit from any sort of personal guilt I have about it.
I'm also going to ignore the Emergence thread from now on, because it was a stupid concept and while I still like my Process of Sustaining as literature, it would just make yet another shitty pagan-esque religion to go along with all the rest of the shitty pagan religions out there which ride on top of thousands of years of shitty religious rule doing shitty things to people.
Quote from: Kai on July 30, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
I for one don't regret what I said. I said what I said because I meant it, regardless of who was on the receiving end. And using an alt to make a point is stupid.
And another thing, yeah, I'm tribal, just like the rest of you wannabe-human apes. Of course I'm going to respect the opinion of someone I have more experience with than someone I don't. If cram would have outright posted the same things under his name, I would have said the same things back, albeit with less cursing. If I've made a mistake I'm going to wallow in it, rather than pretend I'm sorry. Because I'm not sorry. It felt good, and I'm totally sick and tired of false dilemmas and fake explanations and bad generalizations and even worse extrapolating mixed metaphors. Any discomfort I might feel at it is completely from social expectations and not a bit from any sort of personal guilt I have about it.
I'm also going to ignore the Emergence thread from now on, because it was a stupid concept and while I still like my Process of Sustaining as literature, it would just make yet another shitty pagan-esque religion to go along with all the rest of the shitty pagan religions out there which ride on top of thousands of years of shitty religious rule doing shitty things to people.
:mittens:
Quote from: Kai on July 30, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
I'm totally sick and tired of false dilemmas and fake explanations and bad generalizations and even worse extrapolating mixed metaphors. Any discomfort I might feel at it is completely from social expectations and not a bit from any sort of personal guilt I have about it.
I am sorry that I am intellectually inferior, Kai, but you can't have it both ways. The other day you told me "You misunderstood his comment. No, I won't explain." :? If your rage is not tempered with an equal amount of education, then it seems to me to be more of an excuse to rage rather than being a result of the way a particular subject matter is being discussed - since you are exacerbating the problem.
Quote from: Kai on July 30, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
it would just make yet another shitty pagan-esque religion to go along with all the rest of the shitty pagan religions out there which ride on top of thousands of years of shitty religious rule doing shitty things to people.
It's okay to be shitty to people as long as it's not religiously institutionalised? I guess I can see the logic in that, but I still prefer not being shitty to people.
Do we really need to continually repeat the litany of debate fallacies in every single thread?
Look what I googled:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
http://lesswrong.com/lw/ip/fake_explanations/
metatalk.metafilter.com/10572/Sweeping-generalizations-bad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
If anyone bothered to research the terms Kai used, they could figure out the problem themselves.
A problem I have, is that although I know those fallacies, I don't always spot when they are being used by someone else or myself. It's not laziness.
Ummm...
From the Secret History #1 thread:
Quote from: Kai on July 29, 2010, 03:27:31 PM
What you are stating above is a black and white false dilemma, not optimal, and it doesn't even cut to the point of the problem:
QuoteWRONG LEVEL OF ORGANIZATION.
QuoteAnd as for /complexity/, FAKE EXPLANATIONS, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW THEM?
You didn't have to spot them. Kai explicitly referenced them. He did the hard part for you.
Using alts is fine on other boards, IMO, because the way we use other boards, there is always the banhammer to consider. Also, backup accounts are an excellent Trolling tool. But on PD, there are very few things that will get you banned, and Trolling here just puts you on a long, messy downwards spiral of fail, and pain.
I can see the temptation of posting as a completely different persona, but there are ways to do that without making other users feel used, or deceived. Dok did it with TGRR, and that was fine because it involved no subterfuge, and there was a definite process of transition that yielded all sorts of insights.
On a board like this, using an alt is fraught with potential consequences that need to be taken into consideration. Just doing it on a whim is probably never going to end well. Especially for a veteran poster.
PD is somewhere that we need to be able to drop our guard now and then, without having to worry too much about subterfuges, alts, or all the Bullshit we see that goes on in other boards, (admittedly, we're generally Trolling, and out to expose low quality bullshitters ) which is why I don't see the point of doing it here.
And I suspect Cram realises that alting here is not a good idea. And on an oppositional view, everyone's allowed to make an arse of themselves now and again. Amirite?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 30, 2010, 03:29:08 PM
Ummm...
From the Secret History #1 thread:
Quote from: Kai on July 29, 2010, 03:27:31 PM
What you are stating above is a black and white false dilemma, not optimal, and it doesn't even cut to the point of the problem:
QuoteWRONG LEVEL OF ORGANIZATION.
QuoteAnd as for /complexity/, FAKE EXPLANATIONS, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW THEM?
You didn't have to spot them. Kai explicitly referenced them. He did the hard part for you.
I am definitely not too proud to admit that I sometimes need my hand held and be walked through an argument to see it. Kai was stating that describing a spectrum of influence the collective has upon the individual was presenting a false dilemma - I just spent another five minutes looking at that post and I still don't spot it.
I thinkthe "false dilemma" is suddenly having to evaluate a new element, that is really an established element pretending to be a new element. For whatever reason. It's uneccessary, (Or it should be) and distracting.
Quote from: BadBeast on July 30, 2010, 03:38:54 PM
On a board like this, using an alt is fraught with potential consequences that need to be taken into consideration. Just doing it on a whim is probably never going to end well. Especially for a veteran poster.
Reminds me of the "you deserve to get raped if you dress that provocatively" argument. If it hadn't been for the dog-piling and all-caps confrontational behaviour, then everything would have been just fine.
Quote from: Captain Utopia on July 30, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on July 30, 2010, 03:38:54 PM
On a board like this, using an alt is fraught with potential consequences that need to be taken into consideration. Just doing it on a whim is probably never going to end well. Especially for a veteran poster.
Reminds me of the "you deserve to get raped if you dress that provocatively" argument. If it hadn't been for the dog-piling and all-caps confrontational behaviour, then everything would have been just fine.
...
You really just made that analogy?
Really?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 30, 2010, 04:06:37 PM
You really just made that analogy? Really?
"In a neighbourhood like this, dressing like that is fraught with potential consequences that need to be taken into consideration. Just doing it on a whim is probably never going to end well. Especially for a nice girl like you."
Am I using the "WRONG LEVEL OF ORGANIZATION." ?
No, you made a sloppy parallel, and then introduced a level of emotional reaction by trying to equate the posters at PD.com with RAPISTS.
Let me repeat that:
YOU JUST CALLED THE MEMBERS OF PD.COM RAPISTS.
OH god...
They discovered my sceret! :aaa:
Yeah, that was bad form. I apologise.
But that's what happens when someone does stuff like that here, that's the potential consequences that need to be thought about. It's not like it's rare or unpredictable behaviour.
Quote from: Captain Utopia on July 30, 2010, 04:18:30 PM
Yeah, that was bad form. I apologise.
Ok. That's cool.
Now, the parallel also breaks down because posting at PD as an alt is
not the same as getting dressed in the morning.
Posting as an alt is a conscious choice to wear a disguise. To misrepresent yourself. At PD.com, there is a well-documented history of alts doing considerable damage to the relationships and social dynamics of the board. If you wanted to make an analogy, it would be like wearing Klan robes in Harlem, and then wondering why everyone was so mad at you.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 30, 2010, 03:13:34 PM
Do we really need to continually repeat the litany of debate fallacies in every single thread?
Look what I googled:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
http://lesswrong.com/lw/ip/fake_explanations/
metatalk.metafilter.com/10572/Sweeping-generalizations-bad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
If anyone bothered to research the terms Kai used, they could figure out the problem themselves.
It's not completely random that I've been linking to less wrong left and right recently. I've been reading the sequences often. That's my fault, I'm sorry. Wait, no I'm not. 8) It not only makes me more likely to point out someone elses issues, but to take it to heart and listen when someone points out the flaws in my own arguments. That final part being the most important. For example, were I to introduce a false dilemma, and someone pointed that out, I would thank them and start thinking for third alternatives.
@Badbeast: I know what you are saying. We here at PD.com don't play nice, and we're open about not playing nice, instead of pretending that we are all cuddly and then surprising the newbies with our atrocities later. And we are tribal, and open about being tribal, and open about experience with people = status among peers.
I guess the only thing I feel guilty about in all this is making a mess in Roger's thread. Something that I am actually sorry about, and not just feeling social guilt over.
Fuck that Phineas guy. In the ear.
I am one of Cramulus's alts too and that's no excuse, you don't see me being all stupid and reasonable and shit, so there.
And they always say "Hey triplezero, how come you and Phineas and Cramulus are never in the same room together, eh? What's up with THAT?", well I let you know what's up with that, I'd totally fucking Phineas for being such a n00b. In the ear. In his fucking diabetic-ass pasty ear.
But then Cram is all like "noooo you guys shouldn't fight" :evilmad:
And I respect that. So that's why I'm not in the same room as him.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 30, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
Fuck that Phineas guy. In the ear.
I am one of Cramulus's alts too and that's no excuse, you don't see me being all stupid and reasonable and shit, so there.
And they always say "Hey triplezero, how come you and Phineas and Cramulus are never in the same room together, eh? What's up with THAT?", well I let you know what's up with that, I'd totally fucking Phineas for being such a n00b. In the ear. In his fucking diabetic-ass pasty ear.
But then Cram is all like "noooo you guys shouldn't fight" :evilmad:
And I respect that. So that's why I'm not in the same room as him.
:asplode:
Admittedly I also overreacted, as my composure isn't too great, but I had time to think and am no longer omg-ing. While it was silly of me to tell Cramulus to "lurk more", not knowing that it was Cramulus kind of makes that whole thing moot. It's just confusing when someone makes an alt on a message board. You're a bunch of trolls, and trolls like to troll other trolls sometimes, its understandable. But when you make a forum alt and you're not trolling it's just confusing. Not saying you should kiss it and make it better or anything, that's not necessary at all.
I over-apologized, because I felt that I was in danger of losing my neutral lurker status here. I like lurking here, there are great ideas flying around and many of you are funny as hell and brutally, admirably honest. When something like the Debacle happens, I scramble to try and clean it up on my end instead of just letting it fester, I'm anxious, it's a fault of mine and I deal with it because I have to but sometimes it gets out of hand. To my relief things have smoothed out, so its not that big a deal anymore nor was it ever that big a deal.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 30, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
Fuck that Phineas guy. In the ear.
I am one of Cramulus's alts too and that's no excuse, you don't see me being all stupid and reasonable and shit, so there.
And they always say "Hey triplezero, how come you and Phineas and Cramulus are never in the same room together, eh? What's up with THAT?", well I let you know what's up with that, I'd totally fucking Phineas for being such a n00b. In the ear. In his fucking diabetic-ass pasty ear.
But then Cram is all like "noooo you guys shouldn't fight" :evilmad:
And I respect that. So that's why I'm not in the same room as him.
...oh. It's like /that/. MY BRAIN AND SPINE :horrormirth:
Quote from: BadBeast on July 30, 2010, 03:38:54 PM
Using alts is fine on other boards, IMO, because the way we use other boards, there is always the banhammer to consider. Also, backup accounts are an excellent Trolling tool. But on PD, there are very few things that will get you banned, and Trolling here just puts you on a long, messy downwards spiral of fail, and pain.
I can see the temptation of posting as a completely different persona, but there are ways to do that without making other users feel used, or deceived. Dok did it with TGRR, and that was fine because it involved no subterfuge, and there was a definite process of transition that yielded all sorts of insights.
On a board like this, using an alt is fraught with potential consequences that need to be taken into consideration. Just doing it on a whim is probably never going to end well. Especially for a veteran poster.
PD is somewhere that we need to be able to drop our guard now and then, without having to worry too much about subterfuges, alts, or all the Bullshit we see that goes on in other boards, (admittedly, we're generally Trolling, and out to expose low quality bullshitters ) which is why I don't see the point of doing it here.
And I suspect Cram realises that alting here is not a good idea. And on an oppositional view, everyone's allowed to make an arse of themselves now and again. Amirite?
There have always
ALWAYS been alts on PD. I think just about everyone has one (not everyone, but MANY)
So what you just said here sounds absolutely fucking dicktarded to me. DICKTARDED!
And Cram especially. I happen to love his alts. Including Phineas.
Isn't there a list of all the alts here somewhere in one of these threads? I may be wrong.
How you pukes didn't know that was Cram is beyond me. He's posted quite a bit under that alt and those posts were usually good or at least entertaining.
Now I didn't get to fully read through every word of what he posted in Dok's thread since I was at work and didn't have time, but I at least appreciate what he was trying to do.
I certainly didn't have anything to add to the thread but he was actually trying to bring about conversation and to make us possibly think, or debate, or whatever.
The way he was come down on was unnecessary and dickheaded. Granted I'm one of the biggest jerks that ever assholed in dicktown, but jesus christ, when someone is
trying to bring about a
reasonable conversation, for fuck's sake, don't just "YUOR A FUCKING MORON" and dismiss them as such.
And Ratatosk, you're a fucking weasel and I've never agreed with a single thing you've ever said. Nope wait, once I did and I felt dirty.
Also 000 is Cram.
The end!
I didn't know about the alts, but I still think despite that, the main point I was trying to make had at least some validity. The dogpiling thing is not an uncommon reaction, and shouldn't be seen as aberrant, or unexpected.
Also, I didn't take part in any of it, I just posted what I thought, in this thread. From a point of ignorance about the alts, admittedly, but I still think what I said had some relevance. Or at least, it wasn't "absolutely fucking dicktarded" (not absolutely)
fine. slightly dicktarded then.
the whole post wasn't directed only at you btw.
Squiddy said it better than I would have been able to.
Yeah, this isn't worth it. Just more internet bullshit. Bye.
:lulz:
What Squid said. Also why the fuck is this such a big fucking deal?
Cram's alts are funny
also, post as an alt, some people won't know it's you and will probably be extra dickish
laugh at the confusion
move the fuck on.
ding!
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 30, 2010, 05:08:04 PMGranted I'm one of the biggest jerks that ever assholed in dicktown,
Squid. This line. Is phenomenal.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on July 30, 2010, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 30, 2010, 05:08:04 PMGranted I'm one of the biggest jerks that ever assholed in dicktown,
Squid. This line. Is phenomenal.
just reporting the facts, sir.
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 30, 2010, 04:59:29 PMIt's just confusing when someone makes an alt on a message board. You're a bunch of trolls, and trolls like to troll other trolls sometimes, its understandable. But when you make a forum alt and you're not trolling it's just confusing.
Aw, this makes Baby Enrico cry.
I'm pretty sure that over-the-top joke alts don't count.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 30, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
I'm pretty sure that over-the-top joke alts don't count.
But... I'M the alt!
Yeah, and that's why we don't usually give you shit, you Glorious Faggot.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 30, 2010, 07:22:22 PM
Yeah, and that's why we don't usually give you shit, you Glorious Faggot.
Is nice.
You guys just spent the last three pages complaining about an alt that, with five minutes of actual fucking research, you would've known belonged to Cram since he made it explicit from the start?
What a bunch of fucking pantywaists. Get a grip.
Quote from: Cain on July 30, 2010, 09:26:11 PM
You guys just spent the last three pages complaining about an alt that, with five minutes of actual fucking research, you would've known belonged to Cram since he made it explicit from the start?
What a bunch of fucking pantywaists. Get a grip.
Did you even read this thread before you posted?
I read shit like this
QuoteOn a board like this, using an alt is fraught with potential consequences that need to be taken into consideration. Just doing it on a whim is probably never going to end well. Especially for a veteran poster.
and decided whatever whiny drama was caused/resulted wasn't worth my precious time. People without fucking basic research skills, ITT.
hahaah i didnt know cram had alts til today :lol:
-Fred,
Pays attn real good
so what happened was... thread, argument, and then apology... after the alt was uncovered*... and discovered* that it was in fact a long term poster...
so... point double proved?
x
edd
*known all along by some.
Quote from: Cain on July 30, 2010, 09:26:11 PM
You guys just spent the last three pages complaining about an alt that, with five minutes of actual fucking research, you would've known belonged to Cram since he made it explicit from the start?
What a bunch of fucking pantywaists. Get a grip.
It get better, most of those weighing in had no interaction with the alt at all.
Holy Shit. I just felt bad because of the way I treated Cram who I like and respect. Also I felt he made some good points about the way we automatically treat n00bs.
What's this we stuff :)
Quote from: Pēleus on July 31, 2010, 10:09:59 AM
What's this we stuff :)
Exactly, its a minority. Friends of mine have registered here before and gotten haughty responses for not getting this places shitty injokes. It depends who they encounter first.
it's not about noobs, it's about ideas. Is this a fertile ground for ideas?
if I post a shitty idea as Cramulus, can I even get real feedback about it?
Can an idea coming from left field actually get discussed, or does it have to come from a reputable source?
This has also highlighted to me that dogpiles cannot be rational discussions.
also, some people here suck at discussions as soon as their emotions get engaged.
I'll be around as long as PD is useful for building cool ideas. We have to add new voices and weird opinions to the mix or we are doomed to talking to each other about the same 9 ideas and 9 in-jokes for all time.