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2 Students Face Criminal Charges After Calling Border Agents ‘Murderers’
https://www.chronicle.com/article/2-Students-Face-Criminal/246038/

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: OFFICIAL POLITICAL CARTOONS/PIC FREAD.
« on: April 03, 2019, 09:01:44 pm »
:pax:

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Apple Talk / Re: Spagbook
« on: March 25, 2019, 10:10:31 pm »
Yeah... still irked that the event organizers had been previously trolled into being paranoid about under 18-yr-olds, and thus hassled the young woman you brought.


 :argh!: Ah well.... that group imploded. Shame, very creative output for a very short time, and the Esozone cons were peak moments.

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That 'rightness/truth' is a function of 'utility/usefulness', not 'most accurate description of reality'.

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good re-frame


All Affirmations are True in Some Sense, False in Some Sense, Meaningless in Some Sense, True and Meaningless in Some Sense, False and Meaningless in Some Sense, True and False in Some Sense, AND TRUE, FALSE, AND MEANINGLESS ..in some sense.


Wilson would have said All Affirmations are Models with Truth Value Ranges of .000000000000000000001% to 99.999999999999999999%, but apply the wrong model to the current context and the results are meaningless.

Or something like that...

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: March 24, 2019, 06:51:04 pm »
It's like the night before Christmas, and I know I asked for a pony, but deep down I know I'm just getting one of those stuffed horsie heads on a stick.

 :horrormirth:

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Apple Talk / Re: Spagbook
« on: March 24, 2019, 06:03:25 pm »
Going back through some old photos (see pics thread), I ran into this:


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Apple Talk / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« on: March 24, 2019, 06:02:27 pm »
Successful Discordian Propaganda (it turned some "passive consumers" into active participants/conspirators).


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Secret Decoder Rings???!??  I wanna collect the WHOLE SET.

"All models are wrong, but some are useful."
  --George Box

Collect as many models as you need, and use the best one for the current situation.  They don't have to be mutually consistent.

THIS. If you are not concerned about how "right" your model is, but only how "useful" the model you are currently using is for the current situation, then it is your tool (instead of you being the TOOL for the B.S.).


Really good thread. Not sure how to apply the above to the problem Cram points out, as the crux of the problem is that the models the groups under discussion use have built in "this model is more right than mainstream models" built in...

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:14:14 pm »
Holyshit spags. I'm 38 years old today.

Thank you, Eris, for giving me the Strife I could handle for the past 38 years (and none of that apocalypse-now level shit).


DRINKS FOR EVERYONE SCRID


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That brought things re: Brexit into a whole new focus for me. Thanks!

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Principia Discussion / Re: Explaining Ourselves
« on: March 20, 2019, 08:53:22 pm »
What we are talking about is the mind's ability to "abstract" (in the Korzybskian sense), that is to create a symbol and collect meaning for it based on experienced context.

The symbol exists, in the mind(s). The things we use it to refer to exist in physical reality (mostly). Here's the rub...

WE CAN ENCODE OUR SYMBOLS ONTO REALITY AND COME BACK FOR THEM LATER

Well, no. We didn't leave the actual 'symbol' there, just a bunch of scratches on the rock which trigger the symbol to re-manifest into the mind of any viewer that has had previous contextual experiences with that symbol.

A physical chair is both something we have crafted for a specific purpose, and an inherent trigger of the symbol we used as the model to craft it. My silat guru likes to theorize that the original "stone handaxe" might have been an attempt to copy the Pattern of a mega-white shark tooth found on the beach (we have been semi aquatic apes through most of our existence). But once the symbol has been passed down a few generations and people start crafting things like this "archetype hand axe" (i.e. a perfect tool-form that has NO SIGNS OF WEAR), then the symbol has evolved from "my stone shark tooth" to something else entirely. It has gained life beyond a single individual's mind.

Symbols have "historical momentum" in this way, and we have to navigate our own personal jungle of direct-experiental-context and passed-to-us-from-the-historical-momentum-context for every symbol we use.

Your ego is a symbol for the "story" you tell yourself about yourself.

The "you" sitting there now is not the "you" that was there when you opened the browser tab. It just calls itself "me" also.

(Good being back around people who actually talk about this stuff.)
*Edit: found a good link: https://mcopesblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/on-the-master-hand-axe-from-kathu-pan/

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Principia Discussion / Re: Explaining Ourselves
« on: March 20, 2019, 08:41:30 pm »
The article doesn’t claim physical reality doesn’t exist. You’re still sitting on something, but it’s your mind that created the category of “chair”, and placed that collection of molecules into that category.

Cram once told a story about a zen master who held something up to his student. “What is this?” he asked.

The student looked it over thoughfully. “It is a pen.” the student finally answered.

The zen master looked at the student. “I scratch my balls with it.” the master said.

I have used the "ideal Chair"/chair paradox in my own practice. My final mantra is

IS IT STILL A CHAIR WHEN IT IS ON FIRE?!?!

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 :horrormirth:

Thanks for the updates, Cain.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: March 19, 2019, 01:52:20 am »
It was announced today that all MySpace media content uploaded before 2016 is GONE. Supposedly due to a "server migration error", some notable internet-spags speculate a cost-dumping scheme to no longer pay hosting for 53 million songs from 14.2 million artists.

There are no backups. There is no requesting to download your data. GONE. Electronic static. Entropy spitting in the face of "The internet means forever" and flicking its balls. Apparently this happened LAST YEAR and it has taken this long for pressure from users to force the truth out.

Think about that a second.  Did you have a MySpace account at one distant time? Did you just forget the password and abandon it?

YOU DON'T ANYMORE

In 2016 all text content (including all wall posts between users) older than a certain date was also deleted "accidentally". This "reboot" caused every musician on the site to have to manually rebuild their communities from (I suppose) old distribution lists.

The internet archivists interviewed by the Loyal Order of Floating Librarions of Mu are PISSED. I mean, these are the guys that recovered GeoCities! And they can do noting. If you've been watching the Magicians tv series, you hve some idea how dangerous a librarian with nothing to loose is.

End of an era. Give me a drink.
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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/03/myspace-apparently-lost-12-years-worth-of-music-and-almost-no-one-noticed/

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