I don't say "please" and "thank you" because I feel obligated to do so. I don't do things for friends because "that's what friends are for." I don't spend my time around specific people because I'm inexplicably drawn to those people due to some unearthly force like "fate" or uncontrollable fondness. I don't do things for people and expect things in return. I don't expect anything from anyone.
Everything I do, I do because I made a will-full effort to do so, because I want to. To do favors, expecting something in return seems, to me, to be the definition of corruption. But so is doing someone harm and expecting to be forgiven. Or showing affection and expecting affection back.
I am your friend by choice, or your enemy by choice. I am nice and polite by choice, or I am a cunt by choice. Do not blame my surroundings for the decisions I choose to make. Do not take responsibility for my state or condition. I will hold myself accountable for my reality, and there's nothing you can do to stop me. I am Free.
"If consequences dictate course of action, then I should play God, and shoot you myself."
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 29, 2014, 01:02:59 AM
I don't say "please" and "thank you" because I feel obligated to do so. I don't do things for friends because "that's what friends are for." I don't spend my time around specific people because I'm inexplicably drawn to those people due to some unearthly force like "fate" or uncontrollable fondness. I don't do things for people and expect things in return. I don't expect anything from anyone.
Everything I do, I do because I made a will-full effort to do so, because I want to. To do favors, expecting something in return seems, to me, to be the definition of corruption. But so is doing someone harm and expecting to be forgiven. Or showing affection and expecting affection back.
I am your friend by choice, or your enemy by choice. I am nice and polite by choice, or I am a cunt by choice. Do not blame my surroundings for the decisions I choose to make. Do not take responsibility for my state or condition. I will hold myself accountable for my reality, and there's nothing you can do to stop me. I am Free.
"If consequences dictate course of action, then I should play God, and shoot you myself."
That's kinda bleak.
And I thought myself an optimist. Care to expand? A possible negative connotation to this would interest me greatly. I imagine it's the reason why others disagree with me.
Yeah, fuck society and social influences. Each of us is who he is purely by virtue of free will and self-determination. We are rugged individualists, and we rely on no one but ourselves.
Quote from: Nigel on March 29, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
Yeah, fuck society and social influences. Each of us is who he is purely by virtue of free will and self-determination. We are rugged individualists, and we rely on no one but ourselves.
I never took it quite that far in my head. I guess that would be one of those out-of-reach goals to be achieved at or near the end of my life. Obviously I owe a lot of things to how I was brought up and the the environment I've been in my whole life. But I would like to eventually be seen as "purely me."
In psychoanalysis theress a saying: infancy is destiny.
Mileage might vary, but still...
Quote from: The Johnny on March 29, 2014, 05:40:11 PM
In psychoanalysis theress a saying: infancy is destiny.
Mileage might vary, but still...
You bring up an interesting point. Maybe I've been reading too much Crowley without my "critical-thinking cap" on. Must mean I have my "outrageously douchy douchebag cap" on. I mean, only douchebags describe mindsets with "caps." :lulz:
I'll think about it all some more.
Why do we brush our hair or use deoderant?
Why do we wear clothes that are not 100% purely functional?
What do you mean by pure? Where does "me" come from? Where does it reside?
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 29, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
And I thought myself an optimist. Care to expand? A possible negative connotation to this would interest me greatly. I imagine it's the reason why others disagree with me.
If there's nobody you're tied to by duty, obligation, or other social constraints, then you aren't "free", you're "a hermit".
There is a subtle but very real difference, which can usually be detected by which person has any friends by age 40 or so.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 29, 2014, 06:08:04 PM
Maybe I've been reading too much Crowley
Whoops, never mind. I'll just see my way out.
Quote from: Alty on March 29, 2014, 11:59:08 PM
Why do we brush our hair or use deoderant?
Why do we wear clothes that are not 100% purely functional?
What do you mean by pure? Where does "me" come from? Where does it reside?
Again, too much Crowley. I've been thinking a lot about "The Magick Will," apparently, without realizing until earlier.
It appears to me that we do those things because of societal influences, as Nigel pointed out.
I would like to think that I reside in my consciousness, which appears to come from the brain, which is influenced by an infinite number of things, including genetic hard-wiring, environmental or conditioned predispositions, etc.. Where things go beyond that is mostly occult. Some say hivemind, some say soul, some say we're dreaming. I have no fucking clue, that's why I'm soaking up shit like this so easily. I want an answer that makes sense, and every time someone convinces me theirs makes sense, it's hard as fuck to see anything else. Answers that make sense make it hard to ask questions. That's why I come to people like you, to get my skepticism back. I need to stop losing it. Thanks all! :D
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 30, 2014, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 29, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
And I thought myself an optimist. Care to expand? A possible negative connotation to this would interest me greatly. I imagine it's the reason why others disagree with me.
If there's nobody you're tied to by duty, obligation, or other social constraints, then you aren't "free", you're "a hermit".
There is a subtle but very real difference, which can usually be detected by which person has any friends by age 40 or so.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 30, 2014, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 29, 2014, 06:08:04 PM
Maybe I've been reading too much Crowley
Whoops, never mind. I'll just see my way out.
Now, now, you do bring up a point. One I touched on in the "Rugged Individualism" thread. But, I would like to point out, that the way I see it, there is Freedom in disregard of obligation or societal constraint. But, I do see the argument that acting on "pure" will is, in a sense, a form of slavery. Maybe that's where the balance you spoke of in the "Rugged Individualism" thread comes into play?
Separating being a "hermit" from being "free," brings me to semantics. What if you were a hermit by will, and didn't need other people to live the rest of your life (Not even trying to say I would be ok with being completely alone and away from people. I love being around people. And, if it weren't for other people throughout my life, I would be dead.)? But then again, with that logic, one could argue that one is freely choosing to be influenced by society and their environment.
Fuck me, back where I started again. This ALWAYS happens.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 12:27:52 AM
Now, now, you do bring up a point. One I touched on in the "Rugged Individualism" thread. But, I would like to point out, that the way I see it, there is Freedom in disregard of obligation or societal constraint.
If you view isolation as freedom, I suppose.
But Crowley, so while I don't mean to be rude, I am leaving this thread.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 30, 2014, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 12:27:52 AM
Now, now, you do bring up a point. One I touched on in the "Rugged Individualism" thread. But, I would like to point out, that the way I see it, there is Freedom in disregard of obligation or societal constraint.
If you view isolation as freedom, I suppose.
But Crowley, so while I don't mean to be rude, I am leaving this thread.
Haha, fair enough.
Being free is always a metaphor, because we are always bound to something.
Being free from the contraints of reality is called schizophrenia or psychosis, and is that true freedom or is it an avoidance?
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 12:50:55 AM
Being free is always a metaphor, because we are always bound to something.
Being free from the constraints of reality is called schizophrenia or psychosis, and is that true freedom or is it an avoidance?
That could only be answered on an individual basis (Am I still around, consciously, after I die?) or by occultist dogmas. Currently, I have to remain agnostic on that question, because I want nothing to do with either at the moment.
Sad to say I was hoping for mind-body separation, but it's looking less and less likely/optimistic :horrormirth:
I want to be bound to SOMETHING, as you put it. But I want to choose what that SOMETHING is, without outside influence. Then comes the question, is that possible? Fuckin looks like a no, from here :cry:
Well, you want to be bound, which is the opposite of being free anyhow, so there you go. :fnord:
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 02:20:08 AM
Well, you want to be bound, which is the opposite of being free anyhow, so there you go. :fnord:
Why I oughta!! :argh!:
Well, in an attempt to make an overview of statements and a response to them:
People saying "please" and "thank you" you are assuming it is done out of "obligation", therefore SHEEPLE (or whatever iteration or representation); now, your interpretation of a social phenomena is very much rigid, and its open for multiple interpretations: 1) people can be genuinely kind instead of being rampant assholes because they genuinely are nice people 2) i myself are very kind because not only is it a dignified way of treating your fellow humans, but its also practical, people are more willing to cooperate thru kindness than thru imperatives and demands. So your SHEEPLE reasoning goes out the window with those two reasons on why people are kind.
Friends are allies. Allies support and look out for each other - otherwise they are acquaintances or strangers. Or maybe you are a self-centered douche that gets favours and doesnt reciprocate.
I kind of get your idea of not doing favours out of self-interest, but calling it corrupt to me its a bit of a stretch. Doing a "free favour" can mean doing "the right or humane thing", sure. But doing a favour could also be within the context of friendship, in which, both look out for each other - theres certain reciprocation expected in an undeterminate frame scope with an undeterminate favour coming back.
You also have a certain solipsist thing goin on as in "I are the Determinator of mine reality" which seems an overcompensation or a cover up of a lack of power in your personal life. Friendship is a choice of two people, not your own to make (and sure, enemies are yours to choose).
Shouting really loudly "I AM FREE" doesn't make you any freer.
Also, i think i like the notion of "compatibilism" :lulz: Has that been broached in a certain thread?
We are also a social species and need to be around each other in order to survive... in fact, our large social networks are largely responsible for the development of our high intelligence.
Human beings who are isolated have a nasty habit of just simply dying, and even if they live a full life-span, they are a dead end as the isolated human leaves no offspring.
So, you know, the daydream of total self-reliance is pretty much pure fantasy.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 06:18:10 AM
People saying "please" and "thank you" you are assuming it is done out of "obligation", therefore SHEEPLE (or whatever iteration or representation); now, your interpretation of a social phenomena is very much rigid, and its open for multiple interpretations: 1) people can be genuinely kind instead of being rampant assholes because they genuinely are nice people 2) i myself are very kind because not only is it a dignified way of treating your fellow humans, but its also practical, people are more willing to cooperate thru kindness than thru imperatives and demands. So your SHEEPLE reasoning goes out the window with those two reasons on why people are kind.
Yes, some people I meet are genuinely kind and would say "please" and "thank you" without obligation. But most of the people I interact with on a day-to-day basis don't say those things and, in fact, would feel offended to say those things. We'll attribute that part to the people around me, specifically, being shitty people. I'm glad to hear that people in other places think much more highly of other humans. Most of the people around me, are ones I'd consider to be SHEEPLE.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 06:18:10 AM
Friends are allies. Allies support and look out for each other - otherwise they are acquaintances or strangers. Or maybe you are a self-centered douche that gets favours and doesnt reciprocate.
Most of my "allies" try to get out of reciprocating anything. Maybe we shouldn't call them allies. We'll also attribute this one to biased interpretations based on the environment as well.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 06:18:10 AM
I kind of get your idea of not doing favours out of self-interest, but calling it corrupt to me its a bit of a stretch. Doing a "free favour" can mean doing "the right or humane thing", sure. But doing a favour could also be within the context of friendship, in which, both look out for each other - theres certain reciprocation expected in an undeterminate frame scope with an undeterminate favour coming back.
Even if I do something for a friend, I don't expect anything in return. I see that as unfair. Is that just my way of escaping being let-down?
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 06:18:10 AM
You also have a certain solipsist thing goin on as in "I are the Determinator of mine reality" which seems an overcompensation or a cover up of a lack of power in your personal life. Friendship is a choice of two people, not your own to make (and sure, enemies are yours to choose).
Shouting really loudly "I AM FREE" doesn't make you any freer.
I've had a dominant personality my whole life, in a world that I was told I had no power in. That is, until I started reading people like Robert Anton Wilson and the like. I must say, I've not felt the urge to exert control over other people since I started reading people like him. It's all kind of combined to give me a God-Complex, in which I don't have to do shit to be in control.
Sadly, it seems, the rest of everything I know other than those ideologies points to living life via reaction to consequences. The way I saw it, you could be free if you could be immune to consequences, either their temptation (I want to make this deal because it helps me) or negative affects (I stole something, so I got arrested). I just can't believe it took me so long to realize that all that was just occultist mumbo jumbo or, at least, that it was based off of it.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 06:26:32 AM
Also, i think i like the notion of "compatibilism" :lulz: Has that been broached in a certain thread?
I don't know, has the search bar been fixed? Nvm, I can use Google I guess, with inurl:principiadiscordia.com/forum. BTW, is that shit ever gonna get fixed?
Quote from: Nigel on March 30, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
We are also a social species and need to be around each other in order to survive... in fact, our large social networks are largely responsible for the development of our high intelligence.
Human beings who are isolated have a nasty habit of just simply dying, and even if they live a full life-span, they are a dead end as the isolated human leaves no offspring.
So, you know, the daydream of total self-reliance is pretty much pure fantasy.
I never proposed total physical separation from other people. That would be awful. I would want to die. Although, I've been mentally isolated my whole life until recently. I think I may have resembled a SHEEPLE during that time though. Probably makes sense.
I guess the self-reliance thing is an illusion anyways, seeing as how humans have to rely on the environment for their survival, not just other people to keep them sane.
Do you really find that "SHEEPLE/FREEPLE" or similar is a useful model to use to interact with the world? Because it sounds like an ego trip.
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Do you really find that "SHEEPLE/FREEPLE" or similar is a useful model to use to interact with the world? Because it sounds like an ego trip.
I'm finding it hard to make that connection. So you're probably right.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on March 30, 2014, 06:18:10 AM
I kind of get your idea of not doing favours out of self-interest, but calling it corrupt to me its a bit of a stretch. Doing a "free favour" can mean doing "the right or humane thing", sure. But doing a favour could also be within the context of friendship, in which, both look out for each other - theres certain reciprocation expected in an undeterminate frame scope with an undeterminate favour coming back.
Even if I do something for a friend, I don't expect anything in return. I see that as unfair. Is that just my way of escaping being let-down?
How do you know that the person is a friend?
I'm not about to propose an economy of favours whereby each nice thing you do is expected to earn you a favour token to be converted into future favours, but if you're doing nice things for people and they do not do nice things for you, they're probably not a very good friend.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 30, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
We are also a social species and need to be around each other in order to survive... in fact, our large social networks are largely responsible for the development of our high intelligence.
Human beings who are isolated have a nasty habit of just simply dying, and even if they live a full life-span, they are a dead end as the isolated human leaves no offspring.
So, you know, the daydream of total self-reliance is pretty much pure fantasy.
I never proposed total physical separation from other people. That would be awful. I would want to die. Although, I've been mentally isolated my whole life until recently. I think I may have resembled a SHEEPLE during that time though. Probably makes sense.
I guess the self-reliance thing is an illusion anyways, seeing as how humans have to rely on the environment for their survival, not just other people to keep them sane.
You also rely on other people to crowdsource your search for knowledge, your understanding of which foods are safe to eat, the actual sourcing and production of those foods, the maintenance of the roads and the electrical infrastructure, the design and manufacture of the computer that lets you inform the internet that you want to be 'purely you' as if there is a single part of you that is not the result of your interaction with culture.
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 09:29:34 PM
How do you know that the person is a friend?
I'm not about to propose an economy of favours whereby each nice thing you do is expected to earn you a favour token to be converted into future favours, but if you're doing nice things for people and they do not do nice things for you, they're probably not a very good friend.
You also rely on other people to crowdsource your search for knowledge, your understanding of which foods are safe to eat, the actual sourcing and production of those foods, the maintenance of the roads and the electrical infrastructure, the design and manufacture of the computer that lets you inform the internet that you want to be 'purely you' as if there is a single part of you that is not the result of your interaction with culture.
I guess the friends are the people who do return those favors when it's important. But for the people who don't, I won't use that against them. I will simply know that I can't call upon them to back me up. But there are people I care about that I don't expect anything from. Part of me will always put them first.
I'd like to think that there's something that is ME that is not the result of my interactions with culture. But I guess that's getting into personal belief systems - Something I don't want to have. I feel so limited by language and the nervous system. I can't find a way to explain or show you what I think with maximum accuracy.
I figured, becoming "purely me," if there is such a thing, would be the transcendence I hoped for.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 09:53:45 PM
I feel so limited by language and the nervous system. I can't find a way to explain or show you what I think with maximum accuracy.
You are language and the nervous system. Do you believe that you have thoughts that are not constrained by language, resulting in your being unable to express them with it? Are there beliefs you have that are not represented internally by language?
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 09:53:45 PM
I feel so limited by language and the nervous system. I can't find a way to explain or show you what I think with maximum accuracy.
You are language and the nervous system. Do you believe that you have thoughts that are not constrained by language, resulting in your being unable to express them with it? Are there beliefs you have that are not represented internally by language?
Not beliefs, just thoughts. Though, I realize, I'm only taking written/spoken language into account. Language gives my perceptions structure. Maybe I'm using the wrong language. Or maybe I'm trying to "structuralize" something with language that isn't meant to be structured. Something so inclusive, it envelops language, the nervous system, and everything else. It seems to be something so "big-picture" I can't even use anything "in the picture" to describe it. Even that analogy falls apart. Everything in a picture makes up the picture. I don't have every detail of the picture, and so I can't show you the picture.
Is there anything bigger than me, if I am language and the nervous system? That is the question. Everyone who claims to have an answer is full of shit. But assuming they're full of shit makes you no different than them. Oh, well that makes things easy. Now I'm back to where I started - Not giving a fuck.
Nihilism is dismal. Its about as edgy as a bus station bathroom. Just saying.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 30, 2014, 11:28:16 PM
Nihilism is dismal. Its about as edgy as a bus station bathroom. Just saying.
Yeah, but there's not much else at the moment.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 09:29:34 PM
How do you know that the person is a friend?
I'm not about to propose an economy of favours whereby each nice thing you do is expected to earn you a favour token to be converted into future favours, but if you're doing nice things for people and they do not do nice things for you, they're probably not a very good friend.
You also rely on other people to crowdsource your search for knowledge, your understanding of which foods are safe to eat, the actual sourcing and production of those foods, the maintenance of the roads and the electrical infrastructure, the design and manufacture of the computer that lets you inform the internet that you want to be 'purely you' as if there is a single part of you that is not the result of your interaction with culture.
I guess the friends are the people who do return those favors when it's important. But for the people who don't, I won't use that against them. I will simply know that I can't call upon them to back me up. But there are people I care about that I don't expect anything from. Part of me will always put them first.
I'd like to think that there's something that is ME that is not the result of my interactions with culture. But I guess that's getting into personal belief systems - Something I don't want to have. I feel so limited by language and the nervous system. I can't find a way to explain or show you what I think with maximum accuracy.
I figured, becoming "purely me," if there is such a thing, would be the transcendence I hoped for.
What if you became "purely you", but you were horrible? Is being "purely you" enough?
Serious question.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 30, 2014, 11:38:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 30, 2014, 11:28:16 PM
Nihilism is dismal. Its about as edgy as a bus station bathroom. Just saying.
Yeah, but there's not much else at the moment.
This is incorrect.
What is happening here is that PoFP is not here to debate a point. He is here to STATE a point, then duck out of anything resembling a debate. In short, he's here to preach.
Which you can also get here: http://Christianity.com
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 02:10:44 AM
What is happening here is that PoFP is not here to debate a point. He is here to STATE a point, then duck out of anything resembling a debate. In short, he's here to preach.
Which you can also get here: http://Christianity.com
At the risk of unduly labeling, he seems a little wrapped up in the whole "
By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe" mindset.
I can understand why you'd see some preacher in him, but rather i see it as masked insecurity.
I think hes just confused, whenever any point of his stance is poked, it crumbles, so yeah.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 31, 2014, 02:49:20 AM
I can understand why you'd see some preacher in him, but rather i see it as masked insecurity.
I think hes just confused, whenever any point of his stance is poked, it crumbles, so yeah.
I am leaning towards this. Methinks the newbie doth assert too boldly.
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Do you really find that "SHEEPLE/FREEPLE" or similar is a useful model to use to interact with the world? Because it sounds like an ego trip.
(http://i.imgur.com/E9ITzGp.png)
I love that one.
I actually prefer this one:
(http://i.imgur.com/ksO0pgC.png)
but it's a little less pertinent to the discussion at hand
:lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 02:10:44 AM
What is happening here is that PoFP is not here to debate a point. He is here to STATE a point, then duck out of anything resembling a debate. In short, he's here to preach.
I'm here to throw around and discuss ideas and perspectives so that I may broaden mine. I am completely willing to debate. However, I WILL NOT assert that my OPINION on anything is correct.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 31, 2014, 02:49:20 AM
I can understand why you'd see some preacher in him, but rather i see it as masked insecurity.
I think hes just confused, whenever any point of his stance is poked, it crumbles, so yeah.
THIS. No conclusion on anything that I ever come to, EVER, is stable enough to stand against outside ideas. My view of everything is constantly changing. But I'm ok with that.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 31, 2014, 02:16:25 AM
At the risk of unduly labeling, he seems a little wrapped up in the whole "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe" mindset.
Sounds about right. But I say this often ^
"Assert too boldly" indeed.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 31, 2014, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 02:10:44 AM
What is happening here is that PoFP is not here to debate a point. He is here to STATE a point, then duck out of anything resembling a debate. In short, he's here to preach.
I'm here to throw around and discuss ideas and perspectives so that I may broaden mine. I am completely willing to debate. However, I WILL NOT assert that my OPINION on anything is correct.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 31, 2014, 02:49:20 AM
I can understand why you'd see some preacher in him, but rather i see it as masked insecurity.
I think hes just confused, whenever any point of his stance is poked, it crumbles, so yeah.
THIS. No conclusion on anything that I ever come to, EVER, is stable enough to stand against outside ideas. My view of everything is constantly changing. But I'm ok with that.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 31, 2014, 02:16:25 AM
At the risk of unduly labeling, he seems a little wrapped up in the whole "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe" mindset.
Sounds about right. But I say this often ^
"Assert too boldly" indeed.
Well, there's hope for you yet.
Quote from: Cain on March 31, 2014, 08:03:54 AM
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Do you really find that "SHEEPLE/FREEPLE" or similar is a useful model to use to interact with the world? Because it sounds like an ego trip.
(http://i.imgur.com/E9ITzGp.png)
I tend to see every person on the planet as a God. I'm not sure, though, if this is just my way of being "OK" with everything that humans do, good and BAD. It reduces unwanted internal conflict, but it borders Nihilism. That is one of my worries.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 31, 2014, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 31, 2014, 08:03:54 AM
Quote from: Pæs on March 30, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Do you really find that "SHEEPLE/FREEPLE" or similar is a useful model to use to interact with the world? Because it sounds like an ego trip.
(http://i.imgur.com/E9ITzGp.png)
I tend to see every person on the planet as a God. I'm not sure, though, if this is just my way of being "OK" with everything that humans do, good and BAD. It reduces unwanted internal conflict, but it borders Nihilism. That is one of my worries.
It can also lead to shit like the Leopold & Loeb case... so, you might wanna watch that.
So this thread is basically angst?
TGRR,
Doesn't get it.
Oh good.
I thought it was just me, being sleep deprived. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 31, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
It can also lead to shit like the Leopold & Loeb case... so, you might wanna watch that.
I try to "watch" every consciously comprehensible action or thought that goes through my head that stands out as abnormal. I apply a hypothesis to past events, actions, or/and or thoughts. If it's dangerous/counter-productive, then I make a will-full effort to recognize and remember the negative connotation to that action, in an attempt to limit that thought or action.
For example, in realizing I had a predisposed urge to control [relationships/situations that weren't any of my business], I proposed the idea that I may be predisposed to dominant behavior over many things in my life (past and present). I held this up against long-term memories, going all the way back to my early childhood. Many specific events immediately stood out, so it seemed I was right. When looking at other less specific events with this new perspective, I decided it was next to certain. It was so blatant, in hindsight, that it appeared to me to be genetic. Regardless, the urge was real, and I didn't approve of it. So now I consciously and linguistically "shine light on it" every time it surfaces. The effects of the urge have been reduced significantly over the past month.
Does this all seem really pretentious to you? I feel pretentious typing it out. Maybe I'm just over-complicating something everyone else already does. I've never heard anyone put it into words before, so I have no idea. ^
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 08:20:35 PM
So this thread is basically angst?
TGRR,
Doesn't get it.
Angst? No. I'm quite satisfied with everything at the moment.
The first few pages were interesting, but the inside of your head bores me now.
Quote from: :regret: on March 31, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
The first few pages were interesting, but the inside of your head bores me now.
It bores me, too. That's why I read stuff like Crowley and RAW. That's also why I like this forum.
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
I call this the GOYA technique (details on request), and alongside Nigel's patented "Go for a fucking walk" methodology, can actually make you happy WITHOUT pretending that you're mahdgickqual.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
I call this the GOYA technique (details on request), and alongside Nigel's patented "Go for a fucking walk" methodology, can actually make you happy WITHOUT pretending that you're mahdgickqual.
I am interested in details.
It took me a fair while to move from "Aw man, reality is really complicated and might not even make sense" to "oh well, best start working on a worldview that allows me to function".
If you're interested in functioning, you're not as committed to your nihilism as you think you are and might as well focus on getting well.
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
Reject it because it doesn't make sense? Or reject it because its, according to you all, "hurting me/making me feel angst?"
I see it as a possible (not plausible) way of describing my existence. Disregarding it would only serve the purpose of rejecting the scientific method AND pragmatism. I have found that some ideas contradict this existential description. But that doesn't mean that it is absolutely incorrect. If anything, I should remain agnostic on it all, and only delve deeper into the ideology to learn more about myself. This whole discussion, resulting from this idea of Solipsism, has introduced me to a plethora of possible conditions I may have, and has resulted in numerous ways in which I could alternatively view myself as a human.
It has been, overall, destructive and constructive - Both of which I describe in the most positive connotation. I am uninjured by this temporary ideology, much like the other infinite ideologies I will/have adapt/adapted. Function is my purpose, science is my method when I'm conscious of the effort.
My problem is that I speak with unjustified certainty. But that is because I've been taught to speak this way. I'm working on it. That is what confuses you, I think.
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
I call this the GOYA technique (details on request), and alongside Nigel's patented "Go for a fucking walk" methodology, can actually make you happy WITHOUT pretending that you're mahdgickqual.
I am interested in details.
It took me a fair while to move from "Aw man, reality is really complicated and might not even make sense" to "oh well, best start working on a worldview that allows me to function".
If you're interested in functioning, you're not as committed to your nihilism as you think you are and might as well focus on getting well.
GOYA is the time-tested methodology of Get Off Your Ass. If you want something, you take steps to GET that something. You do not waste time chargin' sigils or doin' kaos mahdgickque.
For example, you need a job. By the GOYA technique, you write a resume, and plaster it everywhere. It's amazing, but it works!
BUT UNCLE ROGER, WHAT AM I TO DO WITH ALL THESE PARTIALLY CHARGE SIGILS?
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 31, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
Reject it because it doesn't make sense? Or reject it because its, according to you all, "hurting me/making me feel angst?"
I see it as a possible (not plausible) way of describing my existence. Disregarding it would only serve the purpose of rejecting the scientific method AND pragmatism. I have found that some ideas contradict this existential description. But that doesn't mean that it is absolutely incorrect. If anything, I should remain agnostic on it all, and only delve deeper into the ideology to learn more about myself. This whole discussion, resulting from this idea of Solipsism, has introduced me to a plethora of possible conditions I may have, and has resulted in numerous ways in which I could alternatively view myself as a human.
It has been, overall, destructive and constructive - Both of which I describe in the most positive connotation. I am uninjured by this temporary ideology, much like the other infinite ideologies I will/have adapt/adapted. Function is my purpose, science is my method when I'm conscious of the effort.
My problem is that I speak with unjustified certainty. But that is because I've been taught to speak this way. I'm working on it. That is what confuses you, I think.
This is needlessly complicated.
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 10:05:04 PM
BUT UNCLE ROGER, WHAT AM I TO DO WITH ALL THESE PARTIALLY CHARGE SIGILS?
Bury them in the back yard and wash your hands.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 31, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
Reject it because it doesn't make sense? Or reject it because its, according to you all, "hurting me/making me feel angst?"
I see it as a possible (not plausible) way of describing my existence. Disregarding it would only serve the purpose of rejecting the scientific method AND pragmatism. I have found that some ideas contradict this existential description. But that doesn't mean that it is absolutely incorrect. If anything, I should remain agnostic on it all, and only delve deeper into the ideology to learn more about myself. This whole discussion, resulting from this idea of Solipsism, has introduced me to a plethora of possible conditions I may have, and has resulted in numerous ways in which I could alternatively view myself as a human.
It has been, overall, destructive and constructive - Both of which I describe in the most positive connotation. I am uninjured by this temporary ideology, much like the other infinite ideologies I will/have adapt/adapted. Function is my purpose, science is my method when I'm conscious of the effort.
My problem is that I speak with unjustified certainty. But that is because I've been taught to speak this way. I'm working on it. That is what confuses you, I think.
This is needlessly complicated.
I agree, but I lack the will to give it another go. I've explained as simply as I see possible at the moment. I might try to re-word/-write this later. No promises.
I guess if you're enjoying the navel-gazing, you might as well keep it up.
I don't think it's a spectator sport, though, so you've lost my interest.
A difference in perception then, I've concluded.
Regardless, all feedback from everyone has been helpful so far. I expected nothing less from this forum.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 31, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
Reject it because it doesn't make sense? Or reject it because its, according to you all, "hurting me/making me feel angst?"
I see it as a possible (not plausible) way of describing my existence. Disregarding it would only serve the purpose of rejecting the scientific method AND pragmatism. I have found that some ideas contradict this existential description. But that doesn't mean that it is absolutely incorrect. If anything, I should remain agnostic on it all, and only delve deeper into the ideology to learn more about myself. This whole discussion, resulting from this idea of Solipsism, has introduced me to a plethora of possible conditions I may have, and has resulted in numerous ways in which I could alternatively view myself as a human.
It has been, overall, destructive and constructive - Both of which I describe in the most positive connotation. I am uninjured by this temporary ideology, much like the other infinite ideologies I will/have adapt/adapted. Function is my purpose, science is my method when I'm conscious of the effort.
My problem is that I speak with unjustified certainty. But that is because I've been taught to speak this way. I'm working on it. That is what confuses you, I think.
GO OUTSIDE.
Quote from: Nigel on April 01, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on March 31, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 31, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Is your existential angst useful to you? Try pragmatism: realise your solipsism is meaningless and reject it.
Reject it because it doesn't make sense? Or reject it because its, according to you all, "hurting me/making me feel angst?"
I see it as a possible (not plausible) way of describing my existence. Disregarding it would only serve the purpose of rejecting the scientific method AND pragmatism. I have found that some ideas contradict this existential description. But that doesn't mean that it is absolutely incorrect. If anything, I should remain agnostic on it all, and only delve deeper into the ideology to learn more about myself. This whole discussion, resulting from this idea of Solipsism, has introduced me to a plethora of possible conditions I may have, and has resulted in numerous ways in which I could alternatively view myself as a human.
It has been, overall, destructive and constructive - Both of which I describe in the most positive connotation. I am uninjured by this temporary ideology, much like the other infinite ideologies I will/have adapt/adapted. Function is my purpose, science is my method when I'm conscious of the effort.
My problem is that I speak with unjustified certainty. But that is because I've been taught to speak this way. I'm working on it. That is what confuses you, I think.
GO OUTSIDE.
He's been taught to stay in the basement. It's right for him. Can't you accept that?
:lulz:
Sometimes I try to go outside but then I have to take that to its logical conclusion.
Go outside, I tell myself. So I leave my room and enter the hallway.
OUTSIDE. OUTSIDE.
I leave the house and stand on my front porch.
Outside, go outside, the voice within me cries.
I start walking, eyes cast towards the heavens, scanning the stars and trying to imagine how I might leave this largest of the Matryoshka dolls.
And because I'm not looking where I'm going I get hit by a truck.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:24:39 AM
Sometimes I try to go outside but then I have to take that to its logical conclusion.
Go outside, I tell myself. So I leave my room and enter the hallway.
OUTSIDE. OUTSIDE.
I leave the house and stand on my front porch.
Outside, go outside, the voice within me cries.
I start walking, eyes cast towards the heavens, scanning the stars and trying to imagine how I might leave this largest of the Matryoshka dolls.
And because I'm not looking where I'm going I get hit by a truck.
Outside has epistological overtones that we must carefully consider. We have been taught that outside is better, but is it? The graphics may be awesome, but the interface, not so much. So we huddle in the basement. Because the free market has determined that this is the best place for us. In any case, it works for me and I don't want to argue about it, so everybody shut up.
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
:lulz:
Nothing like a bit of GOYA to fight off nihilistic (w)angst.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
IT'S SPRING
JUST TAKE YOUR PANTS OFF AND GO OUTSIDE. GET KICKED OUT OF THE MALL. GET DRUNK AT A TULIP FESTIVAL AND RIDE THE TRACTOR RIDE BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH. CATCH A FERRY. GO FOR A WALK SOMEWHERE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN.
GO. THE. FUCK. OUTSIDE.
Quote from: Nigel on April 01, 2014, 12:30:47 AM
IT'S SPRING
JUST TAKE YOUR PANTS OFF AND GO OUTSIDE. GET KICKED OUT OF THE MALL. GET DRUNK AT A TULIP FESTIVAL AND RIDE THE TRACTOR RIDE BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH. CATCH A FERRY. GO FOR A WALK SOMEWHERE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN.
GO. THE. FUCK. OUTSIDE.
And leave the pseudo-intellectual thing at the house. You might meet a girl (or a guy, if that's your thing), and you won't want that shit stapled to your face. It'll queer the whole deal.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They do. It's a beautiful thing.
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
:enough:
:um:
:fursecution:
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
On the other hand, if they don't find the game fun without that stuff, and they do find the game fun with it...
Why not? Sounds like a game design issue.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
On the other hand, if they don't find the game fun without that stuff, and they do find the game fun with it...
Why not? Sounds like a game design issue.
I just can't believe that I've been DMing since 1977 non-stop, but I never thought of letting people PAY me for experience and loot.
I am naked & ashamed.
I haven't looked at WoW in years and years and any large popular game with trade is going to create a market for real world exchange where some people spend real money on getting STUFF.
If that becomes a huge market, you have to wonder at what is driving it. Is having STUFF required to be competitive? Can STUFF be acquired by legitimate in game means without already having STUFF to invest?
If your character gets stomped unless you buy shiny armor, maybe buying shiny armor with real money is worthwhile to make the investment in buying the game not a total waste.
TGRR's Horrible House of Monty Haul is now OPEN.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
On the other hand, if they don't find the game fun without that stuff, and they do find the game fun with it...
Why not? Sounds like a game design issue.
I just can't believe that I've been DMing since 1977 non-stop, but I never thought of letting people PAY me for experience and loot.
I am naked & ashamed.
You have to go dark side DM first and create a game experience which is less fun to beat legitimately. Then you can charge for character successes.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
On the other hand, if they don't find the game fun without that stuff, and they do find the game fun with it...
Why not? Sounds like a game design issue.
I just can't believe that I've been DMing since 1977 non-stop, but I never thought of letting people PAY me for experience and loot.
I am naked & ashamed.
Well they pay middlemen, not the company... this means you would be DMing for indian and chinese farming bots.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:42:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
In a truly free market, I could exchange my musings for WoW gold.
Do people really pay real money for WoW gold?
Tell me they do.
They even pay to get items and levelled characters...you know, instead of PLAYING ti get them while having fun.
On the other hand, if they don't find the game fun without that stuff, and they do find the game fun with it...
Why not? Sounds like a game design issue.
I just can't believe that I've been DMing since 1977 non-stop, but I never thought of letting people PAY me for experience and loot.
I am naked & ashamed.
You have to go dark side DM first and create a game experience which is less fun to beat legitimately. Then you can charge for character successes.
Who likes being 3rd level? Fucking nobody. The character isn't new, but it isn't beef yet, either.
SO...
+2 sword: $10
Gain a level: n!*10, where n is your current level.
Hand AND eye of Vecna: On special, $100. Comes with a new campaign.
Sigh. I'm not gonna sit here and try convince you over the internet that I have a very real, very physical life - one that is very close to nature and society. I appreciate that you feel the urge to "help" me with whatever you think is wrong with me, though. It's the thought that counts, I guess.
And on the topic of "Gold Farming" as it's called in the world of RuneScape: There was a massive community dedicated to taking advantage of those so sucked into the game that they spent real money on it. Me and my friend (and thousands of other people) used a macroing program to automate the completion of specific aspects of the game. We would then sell the rewards to Chinese gold-farming companies for real money. Paid well, until Fagex started banning all the bots. With the fall of the botting community, fell the rest of the RuneScape community. You could go outside, do whatever the fuck you want, and come back to millions of in-game gold a week later, ready to sell for hundreds of real dollars.
Did you just use 'fag' as a slur in referring to the company "Jagex"?
:popcorn:
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:50:45 AM
Sigh. I'm not gonna sit here and try convince you over the internet that I have a very real, very physical life - one that is very close to nature and society. I appreciate that you feel the urge to "help" me with whatever you think is wrong with me, though. It's the thought that counts, I guess.
And on the topic of "Gold Farming" as it's called in the world of RuneScape: There was a massive community dedicated to taking advantage of those so sucked into the game that they spent real money on it. Me and my friend (and thousands of other people) used a macroing program to automate the completion of specific aspects of the game. We would then sell the rewards to Chinese gold-farming companies for real money. Paid well, until Fagex started banning all the bots. With the fall of the botting community, fell the rest of the RuneScape community. You could go outside, do whatever the fuck you want, and come back to millions of in-game gold a week later, ready to sell for hundreds of real dollars.
"Fagex"?
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
Did you just use 'fag' as a slur in referring to the company "Jagex"?
:popcorn:
To the retired botting community, they will forever be known as "Fagex."
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
Did you just use 'fag' as a slur in referring to the company "Jagex"?
:popcorn:
To the retired botting community, they will forever be known as "Fagex."
So, that's a yes.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
Did you just use 'fag' as a slur in referring to the company "Jagex"?
:popcorn:
To the retired botting community, they will forever be known as "Fagex."
Bots AND bigotry. It's the whole package!
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:56:03 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
Did you just use 'fag' as a slur in referring to the company "Jagex"?
:popcorn:
To the retired botting community, they will forever be known as "Fagex."
So, that's a yes.
Yes, why so ominous?
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:58:06 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:56:03 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
Did you just use 'fag' as a slur in referring to the company "Jagex"?
:popcorn:
To the retired botting community, they will forever be known as "Fagex."
So, that's a yes.
Yes, why so ominous?
Why not "Niggerex"?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 01:02:26 AM
Spicex?
No, no, how about Wogex?
So, where are we going with this? I'm getting the feeling we're all about to call me a bigoted piece of shit. Why do I get that feeling?
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 01:02:26 AM
Spicex?
No, no, how about Wogex?
So, where are we going with this? I'm getting the feeling we're all about to call me a bigoted piece of shit. Why do I get that feeling?
Because it happened 6 posts ago? :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 01:08:18 AM
Because it happened 6 posts ago? :lulz:
OH FUCK, I MISSED THAT ONE!! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
So are you homophobic, or you just think "fag" is an appropiate term to be despective with?
Im assuming the latter, but correct me if im wrong :lulz:
Anyhow, you should know by now why in this forum thats not well looked upon.
I now understand the need for immunity from consequences.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 01:44:04 AM
I now understand the need for immunity from consequences.
:lulz:
FATALITY. PAES WINS.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 12:50:45 AM
Sigh. I'm not gonna sit here and try convince you over the internet that I have a very real, very physical life - one that is very close to nature and society. I appreciate that you feel the urge to "help" me with whatever you think is wrong with me, though. It's the thought that counts, I guess.
And on the topic of "Gold Farming" as it's called in the world of RuneScape: There was a massive community dedicated to taking advantage of those so sucked into the game that they spent real money on it. Me and my friend (and thousands of other people) used a macroing program to automate the completion of specific aspects of the game. We would then sell the rewards to Chinese gold-farming companies for real money. Paid well, until Fagex started banning all the bots. With the fall of the botting community, fell the rest of the RuneScape community. You could go outside, do whatever the fuck you want, and come back to millions of in-game gold a week later, ready to sell for hundreds of real dollars.
The unspoken sentiment behind "GO OUTSIDE" is "stop whining; nobody cares".
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 01:44:04 AM
I now understand the need for immunity from consequences.
:lulz:
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 01:08:18 AM
Because it happened 6 posts ago? :lulz:
OH FUCK, I MISSED THAT ONE!! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
You missed yourself using a homophobic slur? Does Crowley incorporate automatic typing too?
Perhaps this needs to be said in terms you understand.
What man is at ease in his Inn?
Get out.
Wide is the world and cold.
Get out.
Thou hast become an in-itiate.
Get out.
But thou canst not get out by the way thou camest
in. The Way out is THE WAY.
Get out.
For OUT is Love and Wisdom and Power.
Get OUT.
If thou hast T already, first get UT.
Then get O.
And so at last get OUT.
You heard the man. Get out.
Smooth.
:ECH:
Alphapance channels crowley itt! :lulz:
Quote from: The Johnny on April 01, 2014, 01:28:40 AM
So are you homophobic, or you just think "fag" is an appropiate term to be despective with?
Im assuming the latter, but correct me if im wrong :lulz:
Anyhow, you should know by now why in this forum thats not well looked upon.
I'm not homophobic, but that doesn't matter. It's more along the lines of total inconsideration: I don't take offense to it, and so I neglected to take others' feelings on the word into account. Most places I visit (Online or out in the world) require no filter of any kind. Obviously, I'll refrain from using terms associated with bigotry here from now on, since you all seem to feel so strongly about it.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 01:44:04 AM
I now understand the need for immunity from consequences.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
My face hit the desk at school when I checked my phone earlier. Anyways, I'm sure you're spot-on.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 01:45:12 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 01:44:04 AM
I now understand the need for immunity from consequences.
:lulz:
FATALITY. PAES WINS.
(http://tabmok99.mortalkombatonline.com/subzeros_skeleton_pull_fatality.gif)
Quote from: Nigel on April 01, 2014, 04:30:30 AM
The unspoken sentiment behind "GO OUTSIDE" is "stop whining; nobody cares".
No complaints of any kind were made. But you're right, who cares?
Quote from: (Doktor (Nephew Twiddleton (Twid)) Blight) on April 01, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
You missed yourself using a homophobic slur? Does Crowley incorporate automatic typing too?
I thought he was referring to:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 12:57:18 AM
Bots AND bigotry. It's the whole package!
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 01, 2014, 02:29:33 PM
Perhaps this needs to be said in terms you understand.
What man is at ease in his Inn?
Get out.
Wide is the world and cold.
Get out.
Thou hast become an in-itiate.
Get out.
But thou canst not get out by the way thou camest
in. The Way out is THE WAY.
Get out.
For OUT is Love and Wisdom and Power.
Get OUT.
If thou hast T already, first get UT.
Then get O.
And so at last get OUT.
You heard the man. Get out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc :lulz:
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 07:35:48 PMObviously, I'll refrain from using terms associated with bigotry here from now on, since you all seem to feel so strongly about it.
We're funny that way.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 07:35:48 PMObviously, I'll refrain from using terms associated with bigotry here from now on, since you all seem to feel so strongly about it.
We're funny that way.
This all did remind me of a thread, though (that I currently can't find with the fixed search-bar, that's new to me), in which someone talked about the idea of giving up power when one acts like their words don't have power. Saying someone shouldn't feel offended by your words is like saying your words don't have power was the main theme of the thread, if I remember correctly. I thought it interesting, but only glanced at it a long time ago.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
I'm not homophobic, but that doesn't matter. It's more along the lines of total inconsideration: I don't take offense to it, and so I neglected to take others' feelings on the word into account.
That's a reasonable approximation of sociopathy. Just saying.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
I'm not homophobic, but that doesn't matter. It's more along the lines of total inconsideration: I don't take offense to it, and so I neglected to take others' feelings on the word into account.
That's a reasonable approximation of sociopathy. Just saying.
I've been thinking about that for years. For me, it's a mental effort. When I didn't have a developed, conscious filter, I was BEYOND rude. It was brutal. Thank god I started thinking about stuff like this a long time ago. I would go as far as to say, the things I started reading and watching, like RAW, saved my life. You couldn't imagine what my mind was like before introspection. But no one really knew that much. I didn't show it. But I've found, over the years, that being completely honest about the way I see things, allows people to better (more clearly) understand me. When they have a better understanding, I find that they react more positively.
Just saying whatever I want without regard for others' feelings has given me no positive results, regardless of whether I WANT to.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
I'm not homophobic, but that doesn't matter. It's more along the lines of total inconsideration: I don't take offense to it, and so I neglected to take others' feelings on the word into account.
That's a reasonable approximation of sociopathy. Just saying.
I've been thinking about that for years. For me, it's a mental effort. When I didn't have a developed, conscious filter, I was BEYOND rude. It was brutal. Thank god I started thinking about stuff like this a long time ago. I would go as far as to say, the things I started reading and watching, like RAW, saved my life. You couldn't imagine what my mind was like before introspection. But no one really knew that much. I didn't show it. But I've found, over the years, that being completely honest about the way I see things, allows people to better (more clearly) understand me. When they have a better understanding, I find that they react more positively.
Just saying whatever I want without regard for others' feelings has given me no positive results, regardless of whether I WANT to.
You sure you aren't slapping a Jesus suit on Wilson?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
You sure you aren't slapping a Jesus suit on Wilson?
Haha, it wasn't just him, and no. His perspective, among many others', gave me much more positive views of humans. Imagine, for years, feeling completely indifferent to everyone. All of a sudden, there was no reason to be indifferent. Eventually, I had more things I wanted than just power. Power is still my ultimate goal, but the road, and everything around the road, has caught my eye indefinitely. The decisions I make are much more important to me now - actions more deliberate. ESPECIALLY when they involve other people.
It's beyond obsession.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
It's beyond obsession.
I'm going to go out on a limb when I assume that by "power" you
don't mean the rate at which energy is transferred, stored, or transformed?
Well, if you're looking to amass power, becoming a solipsist and declaring total control over your own reality is probably the easiest way to get there.
If you want to get all realistic about it, plot yourself a graph of how much total power you've had over the universe at every stage of your life thus far and extrapolate from there. Then find a new hobby, you insignificant speck.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
It's beyond obsession.
I'm assuming you don't mean the rate at which energy is transferred, stored, or transformed?
It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment. For the longest time, I've seen a strong connection between responsibility and power.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
It's beyond obsession.
I'm assuming you don't mean the rate at which energy is transferred, stored, or transformed?
It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment. For the longest time, I've seen a strong connection between responsibility and power.
So your goal is a word that you've flexibly defined to mean anything you like at any given moment, making "power" synonymous with "my current goal".
So your current goal is your current goal. Smooth.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 08:50:53 PM
Well, if you're looking to amass power, becoming a solipsist and declaring total control over your own reality is probably the easiest way to get there.
IKR? :lulz:
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 08:54:10 PM
So your goal is a word that you've flexibly defined to mean anything you like at any given moment, making "power" synonymous with "my current goal".
So your current goal is your current goal. Smooth.
:um:
I'd re-read what I said a few times. Not sure how you could get that from what I said. Stretching my words into your predisposed notion does not make it true.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
I'd re-read what I said a few times. Not sure how you could get that from what I said. Stretching my words into your predisposed notion does not make it true.
POFP: Power is still my ultimate goal.
Hoopla (paraphrased): What do you mean by power?
POFP: It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment.
So if power is whatever you understand it to be, it could be money one minute and influence the next. And then it could be cake. You could understand power to be cake and try to amass cake.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
It's beyond obsession.
I'm assuming you don't mean the rate at which energy is transferred, stored, or transformed?
It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment. For the longest time, I've seen a strong connection between responsibility and power.
Meh. I've accumulated quite a bit of actual, real-world power over the last 6 years or so. I move an enormous amount of money, have the power to "bind and loose" with respect to the careers of dozens of people, and can make or break companies based on my choice of vendors.
After that, weird-ass metaphysical wankery is kinda limp.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
I'd re-read what I said a few times. Not sure how you could get that from what I said. Stretching my words into your predisposed notion does not make it true.
POFP: Power is still my ultimate goal.
Hoopla (paraphrased): What do you mean by power?
POFP: It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment.
So if power is whatever you understand it to be, it could be money one minute and influence the next. And then it could be cake. You could understand power to be cake and try to amass cake.
:lulz:
The assumption that I'm capable of amounting power to cake is hardly rational. There is a realm of infinite possibilities, I presume. But cake is not one.
My goal is to obtain power - Power, being a perspective-based idea. If the definition is variable, so is the method. Is that better?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 09:07:55 PM
Meh. I've accumulated quite a bit of actual, real-world power over the last 6 years or so. I move an enormous amount of money, have the power to "bind and loose" with respect to the careers of dozens of people, and can make or break companies based on my choice of vendors.
After that, weird-ass metaphysical wankery is kinda limp.
If I am a sociopath, why would you want me to see the rest of the physical world as "up for grabs?" You see that my obsession with power is focused on the metaphysical, yet you insist that I take it out on the real world (and indirectly, the people in it). Are you even trying to be constructive (or helpfully destructive, depending on your views) at this point?
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:26:06 PM
If I am a sociopath, why would you want me to see the rest of the physical world as "up for grabs?" You see that my obsession with power is focused on the metaphysical, yet you insist that I take it out on the real world (and indirectly, the people in it). Are you even trying to be constructive (or helpfully destructive, depending on your views) at this point?
I'm just arguing definition, right now.
Power can mean two things:
1. The physical storing and transmission of energy, OR
2. The ability to have people do as you please whether or not they want to do so.
Note that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with #2, as the motives behind the wielding of power determine the morality or lack thereof in the exercise of power. I can give examples of this.
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
I'd re-read what I said a few times. Not sure how you could get that from what I said. Stretching my words into your predisposed notion does not make it true.
POFP: Power is still my ultimate goal.
Hoopla (paraphrased): What do you mean by power?
POFP: It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment.
So if power is whatever you understand it to be, it could be money one minute and influence the next. And then it could be cake. You could understand power to be cake and try to amass cake.
:lulz:
The assumption that I'm capable of amounting power to cake is hardly rational.
You're a solipsist, you do what you want.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 01, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
You
never exit chapel perilous, amirite??
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 01, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
You never exit chapel perilous, amirite??
BALLS.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 01, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
You never exit chapel perilous, amirite??
BALLS.
:lulz:
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 01, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
You never exit chapel perilous, amirite??
Eventually... but you gotta burn the place to the ground first. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 09:31:03 PM
I'm just arguing definition, right now.
Power can mean two things:
1. The physical storing and transmission of energy, OR
2. The ability to have people do as you please whether or not they want to do so.
You state this with such certainty. I thought that was MY problem.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 09:31:03 PM
Note that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with #2, as the motives behind the wielding of power determine the morality or lack thereof in the exercise of power. I can give examples of this.
Motive varies as well.
Leave my morality up to me, I'm not telling you what's right and wrong. And just because I may not have much going for me in terms of morality, doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to set guidelines for me. Just know that I won't breach most societal boundaries - that is, in most cases, counter-productive.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 01, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
Hello Bebek Sincap Ratatosk,
I agree. But I never planned on stopping, and embarrassment is part of the process. And, OH, you people (This forum) make the embarrassment so much more inviting.
And I do enjoy that version :lulz:
That's our job.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 09:31:03 PM
I'm just arguing definition, right now.
Power can mean two things:
1. The physical storing and transmission of energy, OR
2. The ability to have people do as you please whether or not they want to do so.
You state this with such certainty. I thought that was MY problem.
No, your problem is that you aren't certain of anything at all, and you're rude about it
without being funny.
I state the above with certainty because that's the way the universe works,
even if you don't like it.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:59:52 PM
Leave my morality up to me, I'm not telling you what's right and wrong. And just because I may not have much going for me in terms of morality, doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to set guidelines for me.
What the jabbering FUCK are you talking about?
Okay, I'm out. There is no use speaking with crazy people.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 01, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 01, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,
I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.
Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.
Quote
29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols
You never exit chapel perilous, amirite??
This is not the same guy that demanded a spanish forum and went all crazy, is he? I kind of remember that Chapel Perilous guy...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 10:33:44 PM
No, your problem is that you aren't certain of anything at all, and you're rude about it without being funny.
I state the above with certainty because that's the way the universe works, even if you don't like it.
That's because I try to be skeptical of everything. And I'm not very funny.
I try to remain indifferent on how things work, to eliminate confirmation bias.
Also:
QuoteYou know the difference between right and wrong,' he repeated finally... You are a genius, a sage, a giant among men. You have solved the problem which philosophers have been debating since antiquity—the mystery about which no two nations or tribes have ever agreed, and no two men or women have ever agreed, and no intelligent person has ever agreed totally with himself from one day to the next. You know the difference between right and wrong. I am overawed. I swoon. I figuratively kiss your feet.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
What the jabbering FUCK are you talking about?
Okay, I'm out. There is no use speaking with crazy people.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 09:31:03 PM
Note that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with #2, as the motives behind the wielding of power determine the morality or lack thereof in the exercise of power.
Were you not preaching moral right-wrong here?
We do not speak of that which lurks in Discordia en Espanol. hirley0 keeps it at bay.
DON'T TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
DON'T TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD.
:lulz:
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
We do not speak of that which lurks in Discordia en Espanol. hirley0 keeps it at bay.
I vaguely remember translating some of it for the rest of you lot... MUCH REGRET.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
Were you not preaching moral right-wrong here?
No. I was discussing the definition of the word "power", and then foolishly added a comment thinking it wouldn't complicate things beyond discussion, because I am a fucking slow learner and I hadn't yet realized - despite all the other shit in this thread - that you are incapable of having a simple discussion.
Fucking flake.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
Were you not preaching moral right-wrong here?
No. I was discussing the definition of the word "power", and then foolishly added a comment thinking it wouldn't complicate things beyond discussion, because I am a fucking slow learner and I hadn't yet realized - despite all the other shit in this thread - that you are incapable of having a simple discussion.
Fucking flake.
NOT. MY. REAL. DAD.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
Were you not preaching moral right-wrong here?
No. I was discussing the definition of the word "power", and then foolishly added a comment thinking it wouldn't complicate things beyond discussion, because I am a fucking slow learner and I hadn't yet realized - despite all the other shit in this thread - that you are incapable of having a simple discussion.
Fucking flake.
NOT. MY. REAL. DAD.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
Were you not preaching moral right-wrong here?
No. I was discussing the definition of the word "power", and then foolishly added a comment thinking it wouldn't complicate things beyond discussion, because I am a fucking slow learner and I hadn't yet realized - despite all the other shit in this thread - that you are incapable of having a simple discussion.
Fucking flake.
NOT. MY. REAL. DAD.
:lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Za8HggalY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Za8HggalY)
Quote from: THREAD PLOT SUMMARY
Yes, no, maybe -
I don't know.
Can you repeat the question?
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
Life is unfair, so I just stare - at the stain on the wall where ...
The TV'd been, but ever since we've moved in it's been empty
Why I, why I'm in this room -
There is no point explaining!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
Life is a test, but I confess:
I like this mess I've made so far.
Grade on a curve, and you'll observe -
I'm right below the horizon.
Yes, no, maybe, I don't know.
Can you repeat the question?
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
(Guitar Solo)
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now!
You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big!
Life is unfair!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
No. I was discussing the definition of the word "power", and then foolishly added a comment thinking it wouldn't complicate things beyond discussion, because I am a fucking slow learner and I hadn't yet realized - despite all the other shit in this thread - that you are incapable of having a simple discussion.
Fucking flake.
There's not much that I know of that's simple.
If you felt what I said was unrelated, you should've ignored it. I wasn't expecting a response on that part of my post anyways.
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
NOT. MY. REAL. DAD.
:lulz:
So you don't have much by way of empathy, you want to amass power, and you came to a forum to tell people so.
Have you, by any chance, been reading M.E. Thomas?
Power isn't a goal, it's a method and means. People who don't understand that are invariably unfit to wield power, and usually don't have the right characteristics to acquire it in the first place.
Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2014, 12:22:33 AM
Power isn't a goal, it's a method and means. People who don't understand that are invariably unfit to wield power, and usually don't have the right characteristics to acquire it in the first place.
DING.Once again, Cain lays it down.
*mumbles something about Foucault, then thinks to himself "Nevermind."*
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 12:26:04 AM
Once again, Cain lays it down.
:thanks:
Quote from: The Johnny on April 02, 2014, 12:30:13 AM
*mumbles something about Foucault, then thinks to himself "Nevermind."*
Foucault was a boss. But yeah, that may be a bit, uh, complex for a discussion that has mostly revolved around that perverted heroin addict attached to an ego, aka Crowley.
However, I was going to make two more points.
1. What is the purpose of seeking power, if not to have an effect on the world in the way one desires? As much as I hate to reduce people to psychology, I would have to conclude that they are probably seeking the sense of security, importance and relevance that wielding power lends. In which case, like Paes said, " becoming a solipsist and declaring total control over your own reality is probably the easiest way to get there."
2. Power is socially constructed. And that's socially constructed in the sense that it's constructed by society, not in the sense that it's not real, as so many kids chose to believe socially constructed means nowadays. Power derives from networks that exist in society, and as a result bind one more closely to that society. Sure, there may be specific relaxations and exemptions - society is not a monolithic bloc, after all - but by and large, one gains power in the modern world through a significant amount of social interaction. It's not a path for someone who wants to be free of social mores and restrictions, and indeed trying to combine the two is an exercise in futility.
Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 12:26:04 AM
Once again, Cain lays it down.
:thanks:
Quote from: The Johnny on April 02, 2014, 12:30:13 AM
*mumbles something about Foucault, then thinks to himself "Nevermind."*
...
2. Power is socially constructed. And that's socially constructed in the sense that it's constructed by society, not in the sense that it's not real, as so many kids chose to believe socially constructed means nowadays. Power derives from networks that exist in society, and as a result bind one more closely to that society. Sure, there may be specific relaxations and exemptions - society is not a monolithic bloc, after all - but by and large, one gains power in the modern world through a significant amount of social interaction. It's not a path for someone who wants to be free of social mores and restrictions, and indeed trying to combine the two is an exercise in futility.
Yeah, its not about ignoring cultural rules and regulations... its about playing them in your favour.
That translates into a lot of manipulation, happy shit grins, strategizing to escalate the power ladder, being born into an already priviledged slot... etc etc etc.
Contrast that with a hermit, or a schizophrenic... one is "free" due to no responsability other than surviving out in the wild... the latter cant even control its unconscious which overrides him - now compare that to Obama, Putin or any world leader, or say anyone from Rothschild dynasty. Yeah.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 12:17:31 AM
So you don't have much by way of empathy, you want to amass power, and you came to a forum to tell people so.
Have you, by any chance, been reading M.E. Thomas?
That's a strange summary. I didn't come on here to tell you those things in particular. Those pieces of information were a result of the flow of the conversation, and in turn, the flow of my thoughts. As one thing led to another in this discussion, I was reminded of related tid-bits, and decided to reflect on them openly. Keep in mind, the simplicity of the original topic that I ranted on.
I just looked her up, and I'm quite interested. I may, in fact, read her on my free-time. Let's hope there aren't too many similarities though, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2014, 12:22:33 AM
Power isn't a goal, it's a method and means.
Now THAT, is an interesting way to look at power. This will dominate my thoughts for tomorrow, I'm sure of it.
Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
Foucault was a boss. But yeah, that may be a bit, uh, complex for a discussion that has mostly revolved around that perverted heroin addict attached to an ego, aka Crowley.
However, I was going to make two more points.
1. What is the purpose of seeking power, if not to have an effect on the world in the way one desires? As much as I hate to reduce people to psychology, I would have to conclude that they are probably seeking the sense of security, importance and relevance that wielding power lends. In which case, like Paes said, " becoming a solipsist and declaring total control over your own reality is probably the easiest way to get there."
2. Power is socially constructed. And that's socially constructed in the sense that it's constructed by society, not in the sense that it's not real, as so many kids chose to believe socially constructed means nowadays. Power derives from networks that exist in society, and as a result bind one more closely to that society. Sure, there may be specific relaxations and exemptions - society is not a monolithic bloc, after all - but by and large, one gains power in the modern world through a significant amount of social interaction. It's not a path for someone who wants to be free of social mores and restrictions, and indeed trying to combine the two is an exercise in futility.
1. I was only talking about the acquisition of power because "the affect on the world in the way on desires" is variable. What I want to affect now may not be what I want to affect later. And YES :lulz: We've established that Paes's description was spot-fucking-on.
2. I do agree that power is a construct. But I see it as one that is constructed in many ways, in many places, and to many extents depending on the perspective I'm looking from. I don't think that society is the only place it shows up.
I'm sorry to say I don't know much about/by Foucault.
I also must point out that you seem to state things with the same preachy and righteous tone that I use(d). So, it seems, the format is similar, just the information/view is different.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
I also must point out that you seem to state things with the same preachy and righteous tone that I use(d). So, it seems, the format is similar, just the information/view is different.
Read bolded as "you are right and I am wrong."
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 01:55:32 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
I also must point out that you seem to state things with the same preachy and righteous tone that I use(d). So, it seems, the format is similar, just the information/view is different.
Read bolded as "you are right and I am wrong."
Not what I meant at all. I don't think he's wrong. Nor do I think I'm right.
Interesting that you thought it cool to put words in my mouth, though.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:58:45 AM
WAAAAAAAAH.
Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 02:05:46 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:58:45 AM
WAAAAAAAAH.
Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?
Not sure I follow.
The notion of ignoring the deliberate semantics of my statement to make it appear that I've meant something, I certainly did not, just doesn't seem conducive to this discussion. Unless, of course, it was your attempt at being comical at my expense. In which case,
I don't find it very funny. Not because it was aimed at me, but because it's so thoughtless and dull. At least when Roger blows up at people, he
BLOWS UP. The aftermath always has interesting colors.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 02:27:50 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 02:05:46 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:58:45 AM
WAAAAAAAAH.
Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?
Not sure I follow.
The notion of ignoring the deliberate semantics of my statement to make it appear that I've meant something, I certainly did not, just doesn't seem conducive to this discussion. Unless, of course, it was your attempt at being comical at my expense. In which case, I don't find it very funny. Not because it was aimed at me, but because it's so thoughtless and dull. At least when Roger blows up at people, he BLOWS UP. The aftermath always has interesting colors.
Nobody is blowing up at you. I'm questioning on what grounds you object to what you interpreted as my deliberately misinterpreting you.
Nothing has any meaning dude, I don't see why your posts should be any different.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 02:27:50 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 02:05:46 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:58:45 AM
WAAAAAAAAH.
Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?
Not sure I follow.
The notion of ignoring the deliberate semantics of my statement to make it appear that I've meant something, I certainly did not, just doesn't seem conducive to this discussion. Unless, of course, it was your attempt at being comical at my expense. In which case, I don't find it very funny. Not because it was aimed at me, but because it's so thoughtless and dull. At least when Roger blows up at people, he BLOWS UP. The aftermath always has interesting colors.
You haven't actually seen me blow up. Just saying. It's more fun than even I really want.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:58:45 AM
Interesting that you thought it cool to put words in my mouth, though.
Somebody's got to.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 12:17:31 AM
So you don't have much by way of empathy, you want to amass power, and you came to a forum to tell people so.
Have you, by any chance, been reading M.E. Thomas?
That's a strange summary. I didn't come on here to tell you those things in particular. Those pieces of information were a result of the flow of the conversation, and in turn, the flow of my thoughts. As one thing led to another in this discussion, I was reminded of related tid-bits, and decided to reflect on them openly. Keep in mind, the simplicity of the original topic that I ranted on.
I just looked her up, and I'm quite interested. I may, in fact, read her on my free-time. Let's hope there aren't too many similarities though, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2014, 12:22:33 AM
Power isn't a goal, it's a method and means.
Now THAT, is an interesting way to look at power. This will dominate my thoughts for tomorrow, I'm sure of it.
Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
Foucault was a boss. But yeah, that may be a bit, uh, complex for a discussion that has mostly revolved around that perverted heroin addict attached to an ego, aka Crowley.
However, I was going to make two more points.
1. What is the purpose of seeking power, if not to have an effect on the world in the way one desires? As much as I hate to reduce people to psychology, I would have to conclude that they are probably seeking the sense of security, importance and relevance that wielding power lends. In which case, like Paes said, " becoming a solipsist and declaring total control over your own reality is probably the easiest way to get there."
2. Power is socially constructed. And that's socially constructed in the sense that it's constructed by society, not in the sense that it's not real, as so many kids chose to believe socially constructed means nowadays. Power derives from networks that exist in society, and as a result bind one more closely to that society. Sure, there may be specific relaxations and exemptions - society is not a monolithic bloc, after all - but by and large, one gains power in the modern world through a significant amount of social interaction. It's not a path for someone who wants to be free of social mores and restrictions, and indeed trying to combine the two is an exercise in futility.
1. I was only talking about the acquisition of power because "the affect on the world in the way on desires" is variable. What I want to affect now may not be what I want to affect later. And YES :lulz: We've established that Paes's description was spot-fucking-on.
2. I do agree that power is a construct. But I see it as one that is constructed in many ways, in many places, and to many extents depending on the perspective I'm looking from. I don't think that society is the only place it shows up.
I'm sorry to say I don't know much about/by Foucault.
I also must point out that you seem to state things with the same preachy and righteous tone that I use(d). So, it seems, the format is similar, just the information/view is different.
Thats a bit of a privilege that knowledge and research gives you, as in saying accurate things.
Check your accuracy privilege, Cain. It's hard for others to debate when they don't have the same facts as you.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
I'm not homophobic, but that doesn't matter.
Yeah, it does. If you think otherwise try using the word fag in every social situation you can imagine, including applying for a job, or ordering a pizza, or trying to get laid, or, I don't know, interacting with people who don't have the same apparent social impairments you do.
QuoteIt's more along the lines of total inconsideration: I don't take offense to it, and so I neglected to take others' feelings on the word into account.
This, of course, is a valuable life skill that will bring you admiration and respect.
QuoteMost places I visit (Online or out in the world) require no filter of any kind.
Interesting. What is the name of your homeworld? You're certainly not from Earth. Unless you're totally oblivious and surrounded by people who are incapable of interacting with human beings. All humans have filters, even if they're incompatible with those of other groups of humans.
QuoteObviously, I'll refrain from using terms associated with bigotry here from now on, since you all seem to feel so strongly about it.
Now, by "here" do you mean in normal everyday society amongst presumably Western human beings, or just on PD? Because if it's the latter, you're really kinda missing the point.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 01, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 01, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
I'd re-read what I said a few times. Not sure how you could get that from what I said. Stretching my words into your predisposed notion does not make it true.
POFP: Power is still my ultimate goal.
Hoopla (paraphrased): What do you mean by power?
POFP: It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment.
So if power is whatever you understand it to be, it could be money one minute and influence the next. And then it could be cake. You could understand power to be cake and try to amass cake.
:lulz:
The assumption that I'm capable of amounting power to cake is hardly rational. There is a realm of infinite possibilities, I presume. But cake is not one.
My goal is to obtain power - Power, being a perspective-based idea. If the definition is variable, so is the method. Is that better?
IF THE DEFINITION IS VARIABLE, IT IS NOT A DEFINITION.
Cruise on caps because of obvious.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 04:03:29 AM
Check your accuracy privilege, Cain. It's hard for others to debate when they don't have the same facts as you.
:lulz:
I humbly suggest Cain put this in his signature.
I have power.
I have the power to BEND SPOONS.
Sure, I need to use my hands to do it, but I can bend the SHIT out of those fuckers.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 02, 2014, 01:39:44 PM
I have power.
I have the power to BEND SPOONS.
Sure, I need to use my hands to do it, but I can bend the SHIT out of those fuckers.
I can give a woman a fake orgasm from across the room.
I can prevent a woman from ever having another real orgasm in her life from about the same distance :oops: :horrormirth:
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 02:30:49 AM
Nobody is blowing up at you. I'm questioning on what grounds you object to what you interpreted as my deliberately misinterpreting you.
Nothing has any meaning dude, I don't see why your posts should be any different.
The semantics of my posts are very deliberate and are key when trying to understand them.
And one of the reasons why I came to this forum is because of the blatant flaming, tag-teaming, etc. It's funny as fuck. Don't bother taking my feelings into account, because you're right, none of it has any meaning.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 03:20:10 AM
You haven't actually seen me blow up. Just saying. It's more fun than even I really want.
I've had an account for years, and I was on here reading your rages even before that. It's almost paralleled my anger at times.
Quote from: Tony Stark
And I'm a huge fan of the way you lose control and turn into an enormous green rage monster.
Quote from: The Johnny on April 02, 2014, 04:00:27 AM
Thats a bit of a privilege that knowledge and research gives you, as in saying accurate things.
Knowledge and research gives you the ability to state personal interpretations as facts? That's funny, I think that's the basis of Solipsism :lulz:
"My interpretation is right, because it's the only one that could possibly exist."
Quote from: (Doktor (Nephew Twiddleton (Twid)) Blight) on April 02, 2014, 05:05:15 AM
1. Yeah, it does. If you think otherwise try using the word fag in every social situation you can imagine, including applying for a job, or ordering a pizza, or trying to get laid, or, I don't know, interacting with people who don't have the same apparent social impairments you do.
2. This, of course, is a valuable life skill that will bring you admiration and respect.
3. Interesting. What is the name of your homeworld? You're certainly not from Earth. Unless you're totally oblivious and surrounded by people who are incapable of interacting with human beings. All humans have filters, even if they're incompatible with those of other groups of humans.
4. Now, by "here" do you mean in normal everyday society amongst presumably Western human beings, or just on PD? Because if it's the latter, you're really kinda missing the point.
1. I don't "try" to use the word "fag" or any other bigoted term in any social situation, unless it calls for it. In this case, it was simply a slip of the tongue. Keep in mind, I don't actually give a shit, unless it helps me in some way. Obviously, being a blatant cunt is almost never helpful in any social situation. I don't have some uncontrollable urge to excrete bigotry from my fucking face.
2. I know, that's why I make a conscious effort to watch what I say in every situation. But, because it is
conscious, things do slip sometimes.
3. Again, I must point out, I don't have an urge to spew bigotry. And I also don't spend much time in professional social locations, like offices, or whatever. But I generally don't talk much anyways. So, most of the time, I don't need a filter, because I don't need to hold something back that isn't trying to jump out. Rarely does something bigotry-related pop-up in conversation for me, because I refrain from having discussions with people likely to bring those things up. And if I do have a conversation with someone that is bigoted, I generally go with it to not seem unusual. Words don't affect me in negative ways, so I don't give a fuck about what I say if the person I'm talking to doesn't care.
4. Here, on PD, and anywhere else I find along the way that would be damaged by bigotry-related terms.
Quote from: (Doktor (Nephew Twiddleton (Twid)) Blight) on April 02, 2014, 05:12:34 AM
IF THE DEFINITION IS VARIABLE, IT IS NOT A DEFINITION.
Cruise on caps because of obvious.
It is if the definition is an interpretation. The definition is an interpretation when the thing being described by the definition is an interpretation.
Example: Love - A mental construct - has a varying definition, because, by being a mental construct, it is made up of interpretations. Interpretations vary from perspective to perspective/person to person.
Right?
Unlike the relationship between energy and work, which is mathematically described and directly observable (I don't even have to get into Instrumental Relativity here), the relationship between power and its effects are complexly abstracted and based on perspective and predispositions.
As LMNO has demonstrated (With the spoon-bending argument), sometimes the energy-work relationship can be encompassed by the system of power that you're referring to, along with other relationships (societal, metaphysical, etc.).
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
The semantics of my posts are very deliberate and are key when trying to understand them.
The burden of comprehensibility in any communication is on the sender, not the receiver.
Just saying.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 07:43:22 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
The semantics of my posts are very deliberate and are key when trying to understand them.
The burden of comprehensibility in any communication is on the sender, not the receiver.
Just saying.
Actually, most classes and texts on communication seem to claim that the burden is equally on both parties in every situation.
Regardless, I try to say things blatantly, and outright, so that there's no confusion on underlying meanings, etc. Take everything I say literally - completely for what it is, assuming no underlying message - and you will usually come very close to my intended meaning. I'm not creative, so you'll find no intended/comprehensible messages beyond the words themselves.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
Take everything I say literally - completely for what it is, assuming no underlying message - and you will usually come very close to my intended meaning.
I re-read some of your above posts, and am now concerned about your mental well-being.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 02, 2014, 07:56:59 PM
I re-read some of your above posts, and am now concerned about your mental well-being.
We all seem to be. Thank you for your concern.
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Newsfeed.
I get the impression he's genuinely trying. That makes him infinitely cooler in my book than someone who isn't trying, regardless of how far he still has to go.
Go on poo-guy throw my optimism back in my face, I'd much rather hate you right now :argh!:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:21:55 PM
I get the impression he's genuinely trying. That makes him infinitely cooler in my book than someone who isn't trying, regardless of how far he still has to go.
Go on poo-guy throw my optimism back in my face, I'd much rather hate you right now :argh!:
I am desensitised to 'trying to get better' for the moment because Holist.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:21:55 PM
I get the impression he's genuinely trying. That makes him infinitely cooler in my book than someone who isn't trying, regardless of how far he still has to go.
Go on poo-guy throw my optimism back in my face, I'd much rather hate you right now :argh!:
I agree with this.
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
Ditto.
Plus, like you said, he genuinely seems to examine his own behavior, which precious few do.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Newsfeed.
Done.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
Ditto.
Plus, like you said, he genuinely seems to examine his own behavior, which precious few do.
At a certain point, that becomes self-indulgence.
Specifically, when you do it ostentatiously.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
Actually, most classes and texts on communication seem to claim that the burden is equally on both parties in every situation.
:cn:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
Ditto.
Plus, like you said, he genuinely seems to examine his own behavior, which precious few do.
At a certain point, that becomes self-indulgence.
Specifically, when you do it ostentatiously.
No argument. I'm just saying I prefer him to a lot of other noobs we've had... like Scilon Agent, for instance. PlightOfFernandoPoo hasn't melted down once from all the criticism, so far. That's got to be some sort of achievement. :lol:
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
Ditto.
Plus, like you said, he genuinely seems to examine his own behavior, which precious few do.
At a certain point, that becomes self-indulgence.
Specifically, when you do it ostentatiously.
No argument. I'm just saying I prefer him to a lot of other noobs we've had... like Scilon Agent, for instance. PlightOfFernandoPoo hasn't melted down once from all the criticism, so far. That's got to be some sort of achievement. :lol:
Oh, yeah, no argument with any of that. In fact, I'd place him a great distance beyond Scilon. I mean, being called "better than Scilon" is like being called "the smartest kid on the shortbus".
There's really no comparison. But still.
Yeah, I won't argue that. It's sad that not being Scilon Agent is an achievement.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
Ditto.
Plus, like you said, he genuinely seems to examine his own behavior, which precious few do.
At a certain point, that becomes self-indulgence.
Specifically, when you do it ostentatiously.
No argument. I'm just saying I prefer him to a lot of other noobs we've had... like Scilon Agent, for instance. PlightOfFernandoPoo hasn't melted down once from all the criticism, so far. That's got to be some sort of achievement. :lol:
Oh, yeah, no argument with any of that. In fact, I'd place him a great distance beyond Scilon. I mean, being called "better than Scilon" is like being called "the smartest kid on the shortbus".
There's really no comparison. But still.
True. :lol:
Sorry PlightOfFernandoPoo, nobody deserves that.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Newsfeed.
^^^ YES :lulz:
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
I've been reading more into sociopathy and psychopathy. It seems I exhibit many markers for both (Unaffected by death and violence, limited/non-existent morals, etc.), but I lack specific, key qualities. My constant recognition of consequences/punishment and ability to feel fear (however limited) are some key markers that I don't exhibit. Also, the probability of me being psychopathic (Born this way) is negligible, considering I was, apparently, a very happy, loving, and nice child. I'm not sure if there are varying degrees of sociopathy, but you're probably right, I am an asshole. I just don't find anything wrong with that. The people I do care about think I am "too nice." The people I care about are the only people I refrain from hurting under any/all circumstances.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:21:55 PM
I get the impression he's genuinely trying. That makes him infinitely cooler in my book than someone who isn't trying, regardless of how far he still has to go.
Go on poo-guy throw my optimism back in my face, I'd much rather hate you right now :argh!:
If you'd much rather hate me, read above ^^^
However, I DO
like LOVE humans. This world is so boring, cold, and unforgiving sometimes. But human consciousness and the human condition is infinitely interesting and makes it all so worth it.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.
I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.
I definitely remember being an outrageous fucking cunt. I think everyone is capable of change. I am trying, when I think it necessary.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 08:39:40 PM
:cn:
Haha, will do (Later).
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
No argument. I'm just saying I prefer him to a lot of other noobs we've had... like Scilon Agent, for instance. PlightOfFernandoPoo hasn't melted down once from all the criticism, so far. That's got to be some sort of achievement. :lol:
Melt down from criticism? How could one ever learn with that weak of a predisposition? I could've gotten nowhere near where I am today if it weren't for criticism. The verbal and psychological torture I received in Junior High was well-deserved because of my "cunt-ish" predisposition. If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken. The thought is comical at this point.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
Oh, yeah, no argument with any of that. In fact, I'd place him a great distance beyond Scilon. I mean, being called "better than Scilon" is like being called "the smartest kid on the shortbus".
There's really no comparison. But still.
:lulz: I missed him. I'm gonna have to go back and look for that one.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 08:53:50 PM
True. :lol:
Sorry PlightOfFernandoPoo, nobody deserves that.
All good.
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
Thank you.
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
I mean, it's totally understandable if you find yourself immensely interesting, but I would be less rubbed the wrong way if you seemed more aware of how you were being read.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.
They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.
They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
YOU HEAR THAT, POO? FIVE YEARS AND THEN WE'RE COMING FOR YOU.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
Ah, well, there ya go then.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.
They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
YOU HEAR THAT, POO? FIVE YEARS AND THEN WE'RE COMING FOR YOU.
:spittake:
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I've worried about this a lot, especially when speaking over the internet. I may sound as if I'm full of myself, but I guarantee you, I possess no delusion that I am interesting. In fact, recently, I've felt somewhat empty. When I'm stuck in my head for too long, my thoughts become the only thing that interest me. Until other, more interesting thoughts appear from other people, that is. But my thoughts are generally basic, or dull (even if they are complex).
I do have a seemingly subconscious urge to gain attention, but I am trying to bring that to the surface and eradicate it as well. Destruction can only happen so fast. Sometimes, my focus is just more beneficial when used on other things.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.
They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
Whatever this is, it's getting stronger. I knew someone that went through (what appears to me to be) the same thing. I'm not sure it's going as well for him, though. He's not blatant about it anymore. And I'm pretty sure he had Bipolar Disorder on top of it all. He doesn't show anything out of the ordinary that I know of, now. Either that's REALLY GOOD, or REALLY BAD.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:19:08 PM
YOU HEAR THAT, POO? FIVE YEARS AND THEN WE'RE COMING FOR YOU.
(http://www.troll.me/images/next-zyzz/come-at-me-bro.jpg) :lulz:
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
:lulz: Sorry I didn't get it before.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
I'm Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, right? :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
Yeah, as is usual, Nigel is Nigeling the correct motorcycle.
The best expression of my ability to criticise an 18 y/o for being a bit of a tosser is this picture of myself at 18:
(http://i.imgur.com/oMyLFRb.jpg)
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
I don't get it. :?
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
Yeah, as is usual, Nigel is Nigeling the correct motorcycle.
The best expression of my ability to criticise an 18 y/o for being a bit of a tosser is this picture of myself at 18:
(http://i.imgur.com/oMyLFRb.jpg)
:lulz: Speaking as a mother, if that kid started dating my daughter I would have rolled my eyes and gritted my teeth, resigning myself to overhearing the most banal conversations conceivable.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
I don't get it. :?
Let it go. Trust me, when you do get it'll just make you teeth grindingly angry
The corn dog is really a perfect touch, though.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
I don't get it. :?
Let it go. Trust me, when you do get it'll just make you teeth grindingly angry
Does it help if I say I didn't intend it as a joke when I said it, and only "got" it myself after? Or, does that make it worse?
I'm leaning toward worse. :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:
Yeah, it was the popular thing to do with teenagers for a while. It damaged the shit out of an entire generation, to the extent that it's illegal in some states here now. Basically, a totally normal teenager would get sent in, and would come out totally fucked up. Sometimes they were literally abducted out of their beds at night. An absolutely barbaric practice.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
The corn dog is really a perfect touch, though.
:lulz: Right?
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
I don't get it. :?
Let it go. Trust me, when you do get it'll just make you teeth grindingly angry
Does it help if I say I didn't intend it as a joke when I said it, and only "got" it myself after? Or, does that make it worse?
I'm leaning toward worse. :lulz:
I'm generous... I'll cut you some slack for it.
I think I get it. It's some kind of sports reference, isn't it?
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
The corn dog is really a perfect touch, though.
This ^^^ :lulz:
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:36:46 PM
Does it help if I say I didn't intend it as a joke when I said it, and only "got" it myself after? Or, does that make it worse?
I'm leaning toward worse. :lulz:
Fuck, I think it's pretty good for coincidence, then :lol:
Let us never speak of this again.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:
Yeah, it was the popular thing to do with teenagers for a while. It damaged the shit out of an entire generation, to the extent that it's illegal in some states here now. Basically, a totally normal teenager would get sent in, and would come out totally fucked up. Sometimes they were literally abducted out of their beds at night. An absolutely barbaric practice.
In fairness, I was actually hallucinating a religious persecution complex at the time they checked me in :oops:
... still... fuck those bastards, I was only 18 :argh!:
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I've worried about this a lot, especially when speaking over the internet. I may sound as if I'm full of myself, but I guarantee you, I possess no delusion that I am interesting. In fact, recently, I've felt somewhat empty. When I'm stuck in my head for too long, my thoughts become the only thing that interest me. Until other, more interesting thoughts appear from other people, that is. But my thoughts are generally basic, or dull (even if they are complex).
I do have a seemingly subconscious urge to gain attention, but I am trying to bring that to the surface and eradicate it as well. Destruction can only happen so fast. Sometimes, my focus is just more beneficial when used on other things.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.
They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
Whatever this is, it's getting stronger. I knew someone that went through (what appears to me to be) the same thing. I'm not sure it's going as well for him, though. He's not blatant about it anymore. And I'm pretty sure he had Bipolar Disorder on top of it all. He doesn't show anything out of the ordinary that I know of, now. Either that's REALLY GOOD, or REALLY BAD.
Eh, nobody likes to hear this, but it's just part of the transition to adulthood in a fucked-up society that doesn't have a clearly-defined productive role for people between the ages of 13 and 23. It isn't an easy stage to navigate, and you're dealing with all kinds of emotional transitions and experiences that you haven't had to traverse before, but it really does get easier and less confusing over time.
The good news is that everyone else your age is just as self-conscious as you are, and as a result they are thinking about themselves just as much as you are thinking about you. The other good news is that the self-consciousness is largely due to the part of your brain which perceives social judgement having only recently come fully online, and the rest of your brain is trying to learn how to integrate that. It contributes to a sensation of being "watched" and also is responsible for a lot of teenage conversions to religion.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:38:14 PM
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
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Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
I don't get it. :?
Let it go. Trust me, when you do get it'll just make you teeth grindingly angry
Does it help if I say I didn't intend it as a joke when I said it, and only "got" it myself after? Or, does that make it worse?
I'm leaning toward worse. :lulz:
I'm generous... I'll cut you some slack for it.
I think I get it. It's some kind of sports reference, isn't it?
Yeah, it's an obscure sports term.
Although 18 isn't really par for the course, it's the number of holes. 72 is more commonly par for the course.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:38:14 PM
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:31:58 PM
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Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
I missed it the first time. If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...
See what I did there?? 18? "Par" for the "course"??
Eh? Eh?
Aw forget it...
I don't get it. :?
Let it go. Trust me, when you do get it'll just make you teeth grindingly angry
Does it help if I say I didn't intend it as a joke when I said it, and only "got" it myself after? Or, does that make it worse?
I'm leaning toward worse. :lulz:
I'm generous... I'll cut you some slack for it.
I think I get it. It's some kind of sports reference, isn't it?
Yeah, it's an obscure sports term.
Although 18 isn't really par for the course, it's the number of holes. 72 is more commonly par for the course.
I SAID LET US NEVER SPEAK OF THIS AGAIN!! :argh!:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:
Yeah, it was the popular thing to do with teenagers for a while. It damaged the shit out of an entire generation, to the extent that it's illegal in some states here now. Basically, a totally normal teenager would get sent in, and would come out totally fucked up. Sometimes they were literally abducted out of their beds at night. An absolutely barbaric practice.
In fairness, I was actually hallucinating a religious persecution complex at the time they checked me in :oops:
... still... fuck those bastards, I was only 18 :argh!:
You may have been suffering from an actual differentiated mental illness, but like I was just saying, that kind of thing, as well as a sense of being God's Chosen or being watched constantly by a great overarching presence, or of being judged by the universe, is incredibly common in the teen years. If you did not in the end need to be medicated in order to control delusions, it's actually not out of the realm of possibility that institutionalization actually exacerbated your delusions by creating the reinforcement belief that you were crazy and that those sensations were something to be worried about, rather than simply allowing your brain time to integrate them and normalize them.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:43:59 PM
Eh, nobody likes to hear this, but it's just part of the transition to adulthood in a fucked-up society that doesn't have a clearly-defined productive role for people between the ages of 13 and 23. It isn't an easy stage to navigate, and you're dealing with all kinds of emotional transitions and experiences that you haven't had to traverse before, but it really does get easier and less confusing over time.
The good news is that everyone else your age is just as self-conscious as you are, and as a result they are thinking about themselves just as much as you are thinking about you. The other good news is that the self-consciousness is largely due to the part of your brain which perceives social judgement having only recently come fully online, and the rest of your brain is trying to learn how to integrate that. It contributes to a sensation of being "watched" and also is responsible for a lot of teenage conversions to religion.
I don't feel like it's confusing. I feel like things are actually more clear, and easier than before.
I've got my fingers crossed though.
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 02, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:37:33 PM
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Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.
I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.
Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.
I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.
Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.
You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:
Yeah, it was the popular thing to do with teenagers for a while. It damaged the shit out of an entire generation, to the extent that it's illegal in some states here now. Basically, a totally normal teenager would get sent in, and would come out totally fucked up. Sometimes they were literally abducted out of their beds at night. An absolutely barbaric practice.
In fairness, I was actually hallucinating a religious persecution complex at the time they checked me in :oops:
... still... fuck those bastards, I was only 18 :argh!:
You may have been suffering from an actual differentiated mental illness, but like I was just saying, that kind of thing, as well as a sense of being God's Chosen or being watched constantly by a great overarching presence, or of being judged by the universe, is incredibly common in the teen years. If you did not in the end need to be medicated in order to control delusions, it's actually not out of the realm of possibility that institutionalization actually exacerbated your delusions by creating the reinforcement belief that you were crazy and that those sensations were something to be worried about, rather than simply allowing your brain time to integrate them and normalize them.
Whilst I'm convinced that being locked up was the best thing for me at the time (I had no grip on reality whatsoever) I'm equally convinced that the - lets try every chemical compound known to man and see if one cures him - regime, did as much harm as good. Was a long time ago. Clinical psychiatry wasn't the finely honed precision science it is nowadays.
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:43:59 PM
Eh, nobody likes to hear this, but it's just part of the transition to adulthood in a fucked-up society that doesn't have a clearly-defined productive role for people between the ages of 13 and 23. It isn't an easy stage to navigate, and you're dealing with all kinds of emotional transitions and experiences that you haven't had to traverse before, but it really does get easier and less confusing over time.
The good news is that everyone else your age is just as self-conscious as you are, and as a result they are thinking about themselves just as much as you are thinking about you. The other good news is that the self-consciousness is largely due to the part of your brain which perceives social judgement having only recently come fully online, and the rest of your brain is trying to learn how to integrate that. It contributes to a sensation of being "watched" and also is responsible for a lot of teenage conversions to religion.
I don't feel like it's confusing. I feel like things are actually more clear, and easier than before.
I've got my fingers crossed though.
Well, you sound pretty confused from your posts... or maybe adrift would be a better term.
Now listen, champ. This is a confusing time in your life. Your head's going to be a mess of hormones, you're not going to know which way is up.
Maybe you're starting to notice girls and be noticed by them.
You'll be going through a series of disconcerting or even alarming changes.
I just want to let you know that we're here for you. We're here and we want to make sure you're aware that we know you're going to be facing a lot of temptations over the next few years.
Most importantly, you're going to start coming into contact with 'STACHE a lot more. GOTTA GET MORE 'STACHE.
You may find yourself wanting some 'STACHE of your own. GOTTA.
This is totally normal, buddy. GET.
Totally normal and something we're always going to be happy to talk to you about. MORE.
'STACHE. MOR'STACHE.
GOTTA.
At the risk of jinxing it, I'm starting to dig PoFP, now that I've got some more context.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 02, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
At the risk of jinxing it, I'm starting to dig PoFP, now that I've got some more context.
Yep. Hear that POFP? You're accepted now.
That means we're going to stop challenging you. You can just settle in and occasionally post pics of cats.
GOOBLE GOBBLE!
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 02, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are? Just to sate my own curiosity.
I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.
Oh, well, shit.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 10:21:05 PM
Now listen, champ. This is a confusing time in your life. Your head's going to be a mess of hormones, you're not going to know which way is up.
Maybe you're starting to notice girls and be noticed by them.
You'll be going through a series of disconcerting or even alarming changes.
I just want to let you know that we're here for you. We're here and we want to make sure you're aware that we know you're going to be facing a lot of temptations over the next few years.
Most importantly, you're going to start coming into contact with 'STACHE a lot more. GOTTA GET MORE 'STACHE.
You may find yourself wanting some 'STACHE of your own. GOTTA.
This is totally normal, buddy. GET.
Totally normal and something we're always going to be happy to talk to you about. MORE.
'STACHE. MOR'STACHE.
GOTTA.
AND WE GET THE STAINS OUT.
WITH CAIN.
CAIN GETS THE STAINS OUT.
OUT DAMNED SPOT
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.
Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.
They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
Hells bells. This business of age is all news to me.
At 18, I was a bigger basket case than this guy. Of course, I was having my head fucked by experts.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 10:21:05 PM
Now listen, champ. This is a confusing time in your life. Your head's going to be a mess of hormones, you're not going to know which way is up.
Maybe you're starting to notice girls and be noticed by them.
You'll be going through a series of disconcerting or even alarming changes.
I just want to let you know that we're here for you. We're here and we want to make sure you're aware that we know you're going to be facing a lot of temptations over the next few years.
Most importantly, you're going to start coming into contact with 'STACHE a lot more. GOTTA GET MORE 'STACHE.
You may find yourself wanting some 'STACHE of your own. GOTTA.
This is totally normal, buddy. GET.
Totally normal and something we're always going to be happy to talk to you about. MORE.
'STACHE. MOR'STACHE.
GOTTA.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on April 02, 2014, 10:08:19 PM
Well, you sound pretty confused from your posts... or maybe adrift would be a better term.
Adrift sounds right.
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 10:21:05 PM
Now listen, champ. This is a confusing time in your life. Your head's going to be a mess of hormones, you're not going to know which way is up.
Maybe you're starting to notice girls and be noticed by them.
You'll be going through a series of disconcerting or even alarming changes.
I just want to let you know that we're here for you. We're here and we want to make sure you're aware that we know you're going to be facing a lot of temptations over the next few years.
Most importantly, you're going to start coming into contact with 'STACHE a lot more. GOTTA GET MORE 'STACHE.
You may find yourself wanting some 'STACHE of your own. GOTTA.
This is totally normal, buddy. GET.
Totally normal and something we're always going to be happy to talk to you about. MORE.
'STACHE. MOR'STACHE.
GOTTA.
:lulz:
:treefucker: - "Hormone changes"
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4196/1618/1600/police-mugshot-CHEYENNE%20GREGORY%20NELSON1.jpg) - "Stache"
Got it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 02, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
At the risk of jinxing it, I'm starting to dig PoFP, now that I've got some more context.
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/710151/thumbs/s-ERMAHGERD-MEME-large.jpg)
Quote from: Pæs on April 02, 2014, 10:30:45 PM
That means we're going to stop challenging you. You can just settle in and occasionally post pics of cats.
I'll have to ask my friend where to get those. He's REALLY into cat pictures.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2014, 10:45:12 PM
AND WE GET THE STAINS OUT.
WITH CAIN.
CAIN GETS THE STAINS OUT.
OUT DAMNED SPOT
(http://i.imgur.com/SY7SekH.gif)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2014, 12:36:16 AM
Quote from: PlightOfFernandoPoo on April 02, 2014, 11:48:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SY7SekH.gif)
Emote? :lol:
Are you asking if I got it from the emote repository here on the site (Under "[more]")? If so, nah, painted maself.
Now, if you're asking if we should make that an available emote in the repository, then I agree.