I've been sitting on a concept for a sci-fi novel for a while now, but in order to do it as fully as i want to, i think i'd hafta do some research on some topics i'm a little fuzzy on. to wit:
- How would time travel work from a many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics?
- I want one of my characters to be asexual and/or transhumanist. How do i portray that without looking like a schmuck?
- I want to have a diverse cast of characters with a very different set of story experiences. At what point is this tokenism?
- How much is too much research? At what point should i just Shut Up and Write?
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
I've been sitting on a concept for a sci-fi novel for a while now, but in order to do it as fully as i want to, i think i'd hafta do some research on some topics i'm a little fuzzy on. to wit:
- How would time travel work from a many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics?
- I want one of my characters to be asexual and/or transhumanist. How do i portray that without looking like a schmuck?
- I want to have a diverse cast of characters with a very different set of story experiences. At what point is this tokenism?
- How much is too much research? At what point should i just Shut Up and Write?
1. The moment you go back, another universe would have to be created. And you can never get back to your "original" universe.
2. By not making a huge deal out of it.
3. When you make a big deal out of the "diversity", or when the "diverse" folks are either way better/smarter or worse/dumber than whitey.
4. Now.
Dammit, Roger. Stop saying the incredibly cool shit I was going to say.
:lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 03:50:21 AM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
I've been sitting on a concept for a sci-fi novel for a while now, but in order to do it as fully as i want to, i think i'd hafta do some research on some topics i'm a little fuzzy on. to wit:
- How would time travel work from a many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics?
- I want one of my characters to be asexual and/or transhumanist. How do i portray that without looking like a schmuck?
- I want to have a diverse cast of characters with a very different set of story experiences. At what point is this tokenism?
- How much is too much research? At what point should i just Shut Up and Write?
1. The moment you go back, another universe would have to be created. And you can never get back to your "original" universe.
2. By not making a huge deal out of it.
3. When you make a big deal out of the "diversity", or when the "diverse" folks are either way better/smarter or worse/dumber than whitey.
4. Now.
1. I'm planning on taking liberties with the "you can't go back" thing, mainly because the premise of the settng is, "what would people do if time travel had minimal consequences" ie. The uncaring universe doesn't care how many velociraptors you went back to hunt, since they were all gonna get wiped out by asteroids anyway
2-3. So basically, as long as its not the main overriding aspect of their personality and they are not constantly waving their arms and screaming "LOOK AT ME I AM GAY/ETHNIC/ASEXUAL/TRANSHUMANIST."
4. I am typing out a bit of a prologue, just to explain a bit of the setting and how the world got to the point it is now.
The first and only point, according to popular interpretation, is that time travel requires crossing parallel worlds, but not vice versa. So, technically, you can travel back to this timeline, but only via other related "primes", primarily.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 06:44:20 AM
1. I'm planning on taking liberties with the "you can't go back" thing, mainly because the premise of the settng is, "what would people do if time travel had minimal consequences" ie. The uncaring universe doesn't care how many velociraptors you went back to hunt, since they were all gonna get wiped out by asteroids anyway
2-3. So basically, as long as its not the main overriding aspect of their personality and they are not constantly waving their arms and screaming "LOOK AT ME I AM GAY/ETHNIC/ASEXUAL/TRANSHUMANIST."
4. I am typing out a bit of a prologue, just to explain a bit of the setting and how the world got to the point it is now.
1. Then it's not science fiction, it's fantasy. You can just go ahead and add the telepathic cats now.
2-3. Yes. For an example of how NOT to do it, look at The Authority by Warren Ellis and anything ever written by Anne McCaffrey.
Quote from: LuciferX on December 30, 2013, 08:51:57 AM
The first and only point, according to popular interpretation, is that time travel requires crossing parallel worlds, but not vice versa. So, technically, you can travel back to this timeline, but only via other related "primes", primarily.
WRONG.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. SHUT UP.
And you can't, it seems, turn back time by flying around the Earth so fast its rotation changes, or go back in time by flying The Enterprise around the sun.
What about using Plattnerite and one of these?
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/photogalleries/hg-wells-pictures/images/primary/090921-01-time-machine-hg-wells-birthday-predictions_big.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 02:31:48 PM
What about using Plattnerite and one of these?
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/photogalleries/hg-wells-pictures/images/primary/090921-01-time-machine-hg-wells-birthday-predictions_big.jpg)
Acceptable. He never went backwards.
Well, he did in order to get back, right?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 03:01:41 PM
Well, he did in order to get back, right?
NOPE.
He went forward to get back.
Wait, what? I thought he went forward until the sun dies, and then he goes back to the dinner party.
Hey, it's in the public domain!
Quote'I looked about me to see if any traces of animal life remained. A certain indefinable apprehension still kept me in the saddle of the machine. But I saw nothing moving, in earth or sky or sea. The green slime on the rocks alone testified that life was not extinct. A shallow sandbank had appeared in the sea and the water had receded from the beach. I fancied I saw some black object flopping about upon this bank, but it became motionless as I looked at it, and I judged that my eye had been deceived, and that the black object was merely a rock. The stars in the sky were intensely bright and seemed to me to twinkle very little. 9
'Suddenly I noticed that the circular westward outline of the sun had changed; that a concavity, a bay, had appeared in the curve. I saw this grow larger. For a minute perhaps I stared aghast at this blackness that was creeping over the day, and then I realized that an eclipse was beginning. Either the moon or the planet Mercury was passing across the sun's disk. Naturally, at first I took it to be the moon, but there is much to incline me to believe that what I really saw was the transit of an inner planet passing very near to the earth. 10
'The darkness grew apace; a cold wind began to blow in freshening gusts from the east, and the showering white flakes in the air increased in number. From the edge of the sea came a ripple and whisper. Beyond these lifeless sounds the world was silent. Silent? It would be hard to convey the stillness of it. All the sounds of man, the bleating of sheep, the cries of birds, the hum of insects, the stir that makes the background of our lives—all that was over. As the darkness thickened, the eddying flakes grew more abundant, dancing before my eyes; and the cold of the air more intense. At last, one by one, swiftly, one after the other, the white peaks of the distant hills vanished into blackness. The breeze rose to a moaning wind. I saw the black central shadow of the eclipse sweeping towards me. In another moment the pale stars alone were visible. All else was rayless obscurity. The sky was absolutely black. 11
'A horror of this great darkness came on me. The cold, that smote to my marrow, and the pain I felt in breathing, overcame me. I shivered, and a deadly nausea seized me. Then like a red-hot bow in the sky appeared the edge of the sun. I got off the machine to recover myself. I felt giddy and incapable of facing the return journey. As I stood sick and confused I saw again the moving thing upon the shoal—there was no mistake now that it was a moving thing—against the red water of the sea. It was a round thing, the size of a football perhaps, or, it may be, bigger, and tentacles trailed down from it; it seemed black against the weltering blood-red water, and it was hopping fitfully about. Then I felt I was fainting. But a terrible dread of lying helpless in that remote and awful twilight sustained me while I clambered upon the saddle.
Chapter XII.
'SO I came back. For a long time I must have been insensible upon the machine. The blinking succession of the days and nights was resumed, the sun got golden again, the sky blue. I breathed with greater freedom. The fluctuating contours of the land ebbed and flowed. The hands spun backward upon the dials. At last I saw again the dim shadows of houses, the evidences of decadent humanity. These, too, changed and passed, and others came. Presently, when the million dial was at zero, I slackened speed. I began to recognize our own petty and familiar architecture, the thousands hand ran back to the starting-point, the night and day flapped slower and slower. Then the old walls of the laboratory came round me. Very gently, now, I slowed the mechanism down.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 03:10:30 PM
Wait, what? I thought he went forward until the sun dies, and then he goes back to the dinner party.
I better re-read the end. Because I was under the impression that he sort of "replayed" the universe, stopping where he had originally left.
In any case, "multiverse" theory wasn't around when Wells wrote that, so it's still science fiction. Same as Frankenstien is still science fiction, even though we NOW know that you can't animate dead tissue with electricity.
To answer the question directly, "how would time travel work from a multiverse perspective", I have a feeling the two would not necessarily have to mix. You could time travel back in the current universe, and paradoxes are resolved by the splitting of new universes at whatever point in time you arrive/fuck around at.
I'm not sure how you're handling the objective v subjective viewer, though. In conventional multiverse theory, there's no 'visiting' other universes. The viewer is in the universe they're in. If you go back and mess with things, then you went down "the other pantleg of time" as Pratchett says, and there's no going back to where you started from.
HOWEVER, as universes are functionally infinite, you can construct a universe to mostly suit your desire, so long as it has the correct cause and effect chain. The universe you end up in may only be slightly different, but the butterfly effect still applies. If you're gonna go that way, you'll really have to think the entire timeline through.
hile you were t8:07:37
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
for each CLOCK dimension there would exist a table ?...........
_____
__d5__ clock 1: no words would be know about these(orbit//spin)
***[ PREPOSED TABLE of minisqualPHYSICAL UNITS ]*********
_____ {{ gravitons? }}
__d4__ clock 2: electrons orbit proton // electrons spin
***[ PREPOSED TABLE of quantmPHYSICAL UNITS ]********
8:22:01 am &
Look: Much of your img is true Some false? Eyes & background?
also the straigt lines ? should be vertical || and horizontal --- not divergent\/
8:11:54 am
(http://principiadiscordia.com/forum/NewAvatars/avatar_4667_1388040119.png)
- How much is too much research?
? vertical || and horizontal --- ? putting a happy face on this event ?
may be ?"much is too much? /8:26:44 am
8:09(orbit//spin) ? for clock 5 is WRONG it is Pulsate ><>< & S ~SheAЯ
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 04:05:55 PM
To answer the "LMNO" question directly,
0k 57 was the Movie | underseas warier i think | i can look it up maybe
the object date is April 1958 | its %tile propaganda As time passes %>
take for example the current Japanese version | iT was an :"ACCIDENT":
{NEVER MIND BAC2TIME.IS 8:37:37.373737
Quote from: LuciferX on December 30, 2013, 08:51:57 AM
The first and only point, according to popular interpretation, is that time travel requires crossing parallel worlds, but not vice versa. So, technically, you can travel back to this timeline, but only via other related "primes", primarily.
THE POINT TO THINK OVER IS 5 clocks
think in terms of going faster & faster | like for example
U&IverseS are ? FEMTO seconds old
next ? Galaxies have rotated about the center for ? Pico Second
then Planets orbit their stars in Ms?
4 electrons orbit NewClass {don't U believe the Spin flip | trip INSTEAD
& FINALLY THE 5TH Question S. {never mind {i was Rong
its S Ms Ps Fs > Faster & Faster ell there is no time to turn around only PorS
call it Push or Shove if you like
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on December 30, 2013, 08:51:57 AM
The first and only point, according to popular interpretation, is that time travel requires crossing parallel worlds, but not vice versa. So, technically, you can travel back to this timeline, but only via other related "primes", primarily.
WRONG.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. SHUT UP.
Now, please do not imply that I concern myself with popular opinion. Actually, it's the other way around, trips through the multiverse are predicated on time travel, however you may still disagree.
Quote from: LuciferX on December 30, 2013, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on December 30, 2013, 08:51:57 AM
The first and only point, according to popular interpretation, is that time travel requires crossing parallel worlds, but not vice versa. So, technically, you can travel back to this timeline, but only via other related "primes", primarily.
WRONG.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. SHUT UP.
Now, please do not imply that I concern myself with popular opinion. Actually, it's the other way around, trips through the multiverse are predicated on time travel, however you may still disagree.
Yeah, whatever. Thread's all yours, make up any old shit you like.
:dok:
I see. So just leaving the conversation isn't going to do it, because you're a fucking nutter.
Great. Another fucking psychotic who has developed a fixation. That's new.
And yet our hero, undaunted, forges on to attack the problem of the initial bullet point.
And we have this possibility: TIME DOES NOT EXIST. (http://lesswrong.com/lw/qp/timeless_physics/)
In the above clicky-linky, we find that if everything in the universe is a wave function, then the equation of the universe is
ψ(r, t)
Where r is the position of all the quantum thingies in the universe.
So at ψ(r, t=1) all the thingies are in one place, and at ψ(r, t=2) all the thingies are in a different place.
But we don't need the t, because r never repeats itself.
Unfortunately, this actually corresponds with Lucifer's idea. If there is only an infinite number of universes in an infinite number of moments, then time travel would necessarily have to be comprised of multiverse-jumping.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 06:31:25 PM
And yet our hero, undaunted, forges on to attack the problem of the initial bullet point.
And we have this possibility: TIME DOES NOT EXIST. (http://lesswrong.com/lw/qp/timeless_physics/)
In the above clicky-linky, we find that if everything in the universe is a wave function, then the equation of the universe is
ψ(r, t)
Where r is the position of all the quantum thingies in the universe.
So at ψ(r, t=1) all the thingies are in one place, and at ψ(r, t=2) all the thingies are in a different place.
But we don't need the t, because r never repeats itself.
Unfortunately, this actually corresponds with Lucifer's idea. If there is only an infinite number of universes in an infinite number of moments, then time travel would necessarily have to be comprised of multiverse-jumping.
Which is what I said in the first place.
But you can never jump
back, once you've gone backward in time.
Sure you can. Find the universe that matches the one you were previously in.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 06:52:40 PM
Sure you can. Find the universe that matches the one you were previously in.
See bar thread.
I concede the point, good sir.
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35915.msg1321482.html#msg1321482
Conservation of Energy takes no prisoners.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
You need to work on coherence. If time doesn't exist,
it doesn't exist.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:00:39 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35915.msg1321482.html#msg1321482
Conservation of Energy takes no prisoners.
right, so you can't ever step in the same river twice, but if you wanted to go back home, let's say, could you return to some universe which diverged off of your home universe in some way that wouldn't matter, ie some guy ordered a ham sandwich instead of a hamburger?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
You need to work on coherence. If time doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
right, that's a good point. One idea i had was that underpinning the structure of time was that time only exists insofar as we need it to order our perception of events in a coherent manner. The universe doesn't inherently have time, we create it in order to make sense of the world around us. I think Terry Pratchett's Monks of History had something like this, where they made sure that the universe had a steady supply of time so that people could "spend time, buy time, make time and kill time" Perhaps this could be something discovered about the universe as the story develops, that the Universe in the grand scheme of things, doesn't care if you go back in time and kill your grandfather.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
You need to work on coherence. If time doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
Buncha crap. Time is the measurement of entropy. Since shit falls apart, time must exist.
From the LessWrong link:
QuoteAn unchanging quantum mist hangs over the configuration space, not churning, not flowing.
But the mist has internal structure, internal relations; and these contain time implicitly.
The dynamics of physics—falling apples and rotating galaxies—is now embodied within the unchanging mist in the unchanging configuration space.
This landscape is not frozen like a cryonics patient suspended in liquid nitrogen. It is not motionless as an isolated system while the rest of the universe goes on without it.
The landscape is timeless; time exists only within it. To talk about time, you have to talk about relations inside the configuration space.
Asking "What happened before the Big Bang?" is revealed as a wrong question. There is no "before"; a "before" would be outside the configuration space. There was never a pre-existing emptiness into which our universe exploded. There is just this timeless mathematical object, time existing within it; and the object has a natural boundary at the Big Bang. You cannot ask "When did this mathematical object come into existence?" because there is no t outside it.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
right, so you can't ever step in the same river twice, but if you wanted to go back home, let's say, could you return to some universe which diverged off of your home universe in some way that wouldn't matter, ie some guy ordered a ham sandwich instead of a hamburger?
Nope. Because the only way to move from one universe to another is to go backwards in time. Then you don't go to "another" universe that you pick from a catalogue, you create a new universe which would by necessity be even further estranged from the one you left, the degree of estrangement being how far back in time you went.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:15:46 PM
From the LessWrong link:
QuoteAn unchanging quantum mist hangs over the configuration space, not churning, not flowing.
But the mist has internal structure, internal relations; and these contain time implicitly.
The dynamics of physics—falling apples and rotating galaxies—is now embodied within the unchanging mist in the unchanging configuration space.
This landscape is not frozen like a cryonics patient suspended in liquid nitrogen. It is not motionless as an isolated system while the rest of the universe goes on without it.
The landscape is timeless; time exists only within it. To talk about time, you have to talk about relations inside the configuration space.
Asking "What happened before the Big Bang?" is revealed as a wrong question. There is no "before"; a "before" would be outside the configuration space. There was never a pre-existing emptiness into which our universe exploded. There is just this timeless mathematical object, time existing within it; and the object has a natural boundary at the Big Bang. You cannot ask "When did this mathematical object come into existence?" because there is no t outside it.
From the New American Link:
Quote from: Tetragrammaton"I Am". There was nothing before that, nor any time.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
You need to work on coherence. If time doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
Buncha crap. Time is the measurement of entropy. Since shit falls apart, time must exist.
I call this "the barstool of breakdown".
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Buncha crap. Time is the measurement of entropy. Since shit falls apart, time must exist.
So, if it was possible to stop the motion of every particle in the universe, there would be no entropy, and therefore, no time would pass?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:15:53 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
right, so you can't ever step in the same river twice, but if you wanted to go back home, let's say, could you return to some universe which diverged off of your home universe in some way that wouldn't matter, ie some guy ordered a ham sandwich instead of a hamburger?
Nope. Because the only way to move from one universe to another is to go backwards in time. Then you don't go to "another" universe that you pick from a catalogue, you create a new universe which would by necessity be even further estranged from the one you left, the degree of estrangement being how far back in time you went.
Ok, so let's say i wanted to go back to the 1950s to meet Elvis. Having done that, I can't go back to the universe i came from, but i also can't move forward to any point in the 60 years between now and then? I could choose to go back further to the 20s to meet Cole Porter, for instance, but i'd hafta wait around a while for the Beatles to show up.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Buncha crap. Time is the measurement of entropy. Since shit falls apart, time must exist.
So, if it was possible to stop the motion of every particle in the universe, there would be no entropy, and therefore, no time would pass?
Isn't that how suspended animation or cryo sleep works?
You go to sleep now and when you wake up in 6 months you, and your body, thinks only a few seconds have passed?
Quote from: hirley0 on December 30, 2013, 04:07:37 PM
hile you were t8:07:37
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
for each CLOCK dimension there would exist a table ?...........
_____
__d5__ clock 1: no words would be know about these(orbit//spin)
***[ PREPOSED TABLE of minisqualPHYSICAL UNITS ]*********
_____ {{ gravitons? }}
__d4__ clock 2: electrons orbit proton // electrons spin
***[ PREPOSED TABLE of quantmPHYSICAL UNITS ]********
8:22:01 am &
Look: Much of your img is true Some false? Eyes & background?
also the straigt lines ? should be vertical || and horizontal --- not divergent\/
8:11:54 am
(http://principiadiscordia.com/forum/NewAvatars/avatar_4667_1388040119.png)
- How much is too much research?
:potd:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Buncha crap. Time is the measurement of entropy. Since shit falls apart, time must exist.
So, if it was possible to stop the motion of every particle in the universe, there would be no entropy, and therefore, no time would pass?
Yes. This is why photons don't age, and why no time would pass at any other physical "infinity" (ie, asymptotic function) such as absolute zero.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:15:53 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
right, so you can't ever step in the same river twice, but if you wanted to go back home, let's say, could you return to some universe which diverged off of your home universe in some way that wouldn't matter, ie some guy ordered a ham sandwich instead of a hamburger?
Nope. Because the only way to move from one universe to another is to go backwards in time. Then you don't go to "another" universe that you pick from a catalogue, you create a new universe which would by necessity be even further estranged from the one you left, the degree of estrangement being how far back in time you went.
Ok, so let's say i wanted to go back to the 1950s to meet Elvis. Having done that, I can't go back to the universe i came from, but i also can't move forward to any point in the 60 years between now and then? I could choose to go back further to the 20s to meet Cole Porter, for instance, but i'd hafta wait around a while for the Beatles to show up.
You can always move forward in time. You're doing it right now.
But having gone back, the universe you are in would be different. Going back again would work, you would meet Cole Porter. But there's no guarantee that, going forward again, the Beatles would exist as a group, or even as people.
k, well, one of the reasons i wanna be really certain about this is that one of the points of the setting is that upon discovering that time travel is a thing, they immediately sought to capitalize on the tech in the greediest way possible using many creative variations of the whole "going back to deposit all your money in your preferred bank the day they were established and then collecting on all that interest years in the future" scam. In this world, CEOs do this all the time, with varying shades of James Bond-esque supervilliany in mind. So all of these changes results in all sorts of created alternate universes with crazy historical results. Some results in blasted landscapes of what used to be earth, some are markedly better than what would've happened in any case, and some are almost the same except for some specific details.
Also, thoughts on this?
http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/04/an-exotic-matter/ (http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/04/an-exotic-matter/)
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
k, well, one of the reasons i wanna be really certain about this is that one of the points of the setting is that upon discovering that time travel is a thing, they immediately sought to capitalize on the tech in the greediest way possible using many creative variations of the whole "going back to deposit all your money in your preferred bank the day they were established and then collecting on all that interest years in the future" scam. In this world, CEOs do this all the time, with varying shades of James Bond-esque supervilliany in mind. So all of these changes results in all sorts of created alternate universes with crazy historical results. Some results in blasted landscapes of what used to be earth, some are markedly better than what would've happened in any case, and some are almost the same except for some specific details.
Problem is, the people investing would have no chance at all of getting a return. None.
If you send energy, matter, or even information back in time, the universe can't accept it without violating conservation of energy. That means a split HAS to occur, and the transported energy, etc, has to be in the NEW branch, not the old. So the rich bastard sending it back just loses it. AND something, probably something very loud and ugly and most likely LOCAL, is going to happen to account for the loss of energy in THIS universe, the same way "Ashtekar loops" tangle to retain gravity (and thus energy) when mass leaves the universe in the case of a Black hole.
Uncle Albert takes no prisoners. The universe will put up with any amount of fuckery, except when conservation of energy is in question. Hell, "quantum tunneling" is the universe doing "Enron accounting" to accomodate both the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and conservation of energy.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
k, well, one of the reasons i wanna be really certain about this is that one of the points of the setting is that upon discovering that time travel is a thing, they immediately sought to capitalize on the tech in the greediest way possible using many creative variations of the whole "going back to deposit all your money in your preferred bank the day they were established and then collecting on all that interest years in the future" scam. In this world, CEOs do this all the time, with varying shades of James Bond-esque supervilliany in mind. So all of these changes results in all sorts of created alternate universes with crazy historical results. Some results in blasted landscapes of what used to be earth, some are markedly better than what would've happened in any case, and some are almost the same except for some specific details.
Problem is, the people investing would have no chance at all of getting a return. None.
If you send energy, matter, or even information back in time, the universe can't accept it without violating conservation of energy. That means a split HAS to occur, and the transported energy, etc, has to be in the NEW branch, not the old. So the rich bastard sending it back just loses it. AND something, probably something very loud and ugly and most likely LOCAL, is going to happen to account for the loss of energy in THIS universe, the same way "Ashtekar loops" tangle to retain gravity (and thus energy) when mass leaves the universe in the case of a Black hole.
Uncle Albert takes no prisoners. The universe will put up with any amount of fuckery, except when conservation of energy is in question. Hell, "quantum tunneling" is the universe doing "Enron accounting" to accomodate both the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and conservation of energy.
is Quantum tunneling kind of what is going on in that comic i posted?
Quote from: hirley0 on December 30, 2013, 04:47:25 PM
Galaxies have rotated about the center for ?
5pm? WHY DO ALL GALAXIES APPEAR THE SAME AGE
no matter how far away????/ 5:11}
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:24:25 PM
(http://dresdencodak.com/m_about.png) Also, thoughts on this? (http://dresdencodak.com/m_comics.png)
http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/04/an-exotic-matter/ (http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/04/an-exotic-matter/)
5:17:17 pm
i guess so: when the curvature ( in Time/space ? was 1/2 way
the second 'ROOM stem faded in faded out of view to the left
of the original = parallel universe ?
time travel} My eXperiaces aRe the dimeMENTION of time can indeed be
streched {slowed) {{ vision becomes accuter) & also compressed |
compressed time ? can result in violent activity | it is my guess
when space ships return to Earth?/? part of what transpires is
the recompression of time | things happen very Quickly | because
upon leaving there was some stretching of the time parameter
when visibility was increased about details of visualized objects.
IMO]when events in the space/time continium {a concept i reject
occur for example a mag12 Quake | at some point the ability of
that time is exceeded and a fraction of the amounts gets deposited
into the next higher or lower frame | so what happened makes no
sence, mathametically, as something gets lost or is aquired ¬
accounted for.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
k, well, one of the reasons i wanna be really certain about this is that one of the points of the setting is that upon discovering that time travel is a thing, they immediately sought to capitalize on the tech in the greediest way possible using many creative variations of the whole "going back to deposit all your money in your preferred bank the day they were established and then collecting on all that interest years in the future" scam. In this world, CEOs do this all the time, with varying shades of James Bond-esque supervilliany in mind. So all of these changes results in all sorts of created alternate universes with crazy historical results. Some results in blasted landscapes of what used to be earth, some are markedly better than what would've happened in any case, and some are almost the same except for some specific details.
Problem is, the people investing would have no chance at all of getting a return. None.
If you send energy, matter, or even information back in time, the universe can't accept it without violating conservation of energy. That means a split HAS to occur, and the transported energy, etc, has to be in the NEW branch, not the old. So the rich bastard sending it back just loses it. AND something, probably something very loud and ugly and most likely LOCAL, is going to happen to account for the loss of energy in THIS universe, the same way "Ashtekar loops" tangle to retain gravity (and thus energy) when mass leaves the universe in the case of a Black hole.
Uncle Albert takes no prisoners. The universe will put up with any amount of fuckery, except when conservation of energy is in question. Hell, "quantum tunneling" is the universe doing "Enron accounting" to accomodate both the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and conservation of energy.
is Quantum tunneling kind of what is going on in that comic i posted?
No, quantum tunneling only affects things we Doktors refer to as "very very small".
Also, bear in mind that the usual rules concerning conservation of energy, etc, may not necessarily apply to Hirley0.
Sort of like how cops don't get parking tickets.
Yea, one of these days one of you is gonna hafta let me in on the joke of why Hirley writes like that
That's....
That's no joke. That is Hirley.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 31, 2013, 04:48:47 AM
Yea, one of these days one of you is gonna hafta let me in on the joke of why Hirley writes like that
Joke?
Serious as a heart attack, here...That's not a joke.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 31, 2013, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 31, 2013, 04:48:47 AM
Yea, one of these days one of you is gonna hafta let me in on the joke of why Hirley writes like that
Joke?
Serious as a heart attack, here...That's not a joke.
I've met him in person, and he even talks in color.
No offense, but am i correct in assuming i'm not the only one who has trouble reading that?
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 31, 2013, 10:08:29 PM
No offense, but am i correct in assuming i'm not the only one who has trouble reading that?
When you can read it, start worrying.
Sometimes Hirley0 just up and talks at you straight. It's never pleasant. It's like having a killer whale licking your exposed brain. They have very rough tongues...He means no harm, but what he tells you isn't good for you.
Yeah, that hirley stuff makes my brain hurt plenty. Every time though I try to read it.
When he speaks to you, and when you can hear, worlds open, and collapse.
Hirley0 is the last survivor of Dimension IX. He's trying to tell us how to avoid that fate, but there are language difficulties as a result of him having 5 more dimensions than us.
He keeps slipping in and out of this permeable reality, so it's up to us to figure it out. But don't try, unless you're ready for T Truth. But you can never go back. So, be careful.
This English production, Vendetta, is pretty good entertainment, thus far.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 31, 2013, 10:08:29 PM
No offense, but am i correct in assuming i'm not the only one who has trouble reading that?
Surprisingly, you may eventually get used to it. Sort of.
List N wrong? ~= Right, i could see very clearly the Curvature in Time of Space
T/s for short. as it left the stem ?||? and approached the ship (ASR-7) Link L8R
it was obvious it was traveling just as fast in the water as in the air | ask the
resident phyisist: about
1/2 way, } no i dont know how long, seconds, Min?
it was 4 miles as i recall {8000 knotical yards | {never mind | When it was
about 1/2 way the paallel universe? faded into view || || to the left,
at max it was just as bright & real as the original same O same O
it faded from view as quickly as it appeared / the curveature appoached
at the same rate | whamO | the curve pased the Chanti | the crew below
deck came boiling out onto the main like a bunch of rats / weird, anyway
once out of university 1 i don't know anyway back in? buy wood is my guess
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 01, 2014, 12:09:40 AM
Hirley0 is the last survivor of Dimension IX. He's trying to tell us how to avoid that fate, but there are language difficulties as a result of him having 5 more dimensions than us.
ad 388 ti10:06:07.08 Nuts.Mixed
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
.1 path2path
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,29357.0.html2: path2ASR-7
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?2182-USS-CHANTICLEER-ASR-7-HUb/page133? PATH2path2:
http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00782 -Dec-2013
0k the tail twists something about like this | shE is going4diversity @ university
as soon as i find the link to 'ER there i will post it 4U | in the mean time? :fnord: Я111 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,31235.msg1148988.html#msg1148988)
on seconds thoughts it should be T(ss {for ShoRt
AS truly some sort of parallel || || universe MUST exist
but it must be there somewhere to the LEFT BUT hard2see
Quote from: hirley0 on January 04, 2014, 06:02:32 PM
List N wrong? ~= Right, i could see very clearly the Curvature in Time of Space
T/s for short. as it left the stem ?||? and approached the ship (ASR-7) Link L8R
it was obvious it was traveling just as fast in the water as in the air | ask the
resident phyisist: about 1/2 way, } no i dont know how long, seconds, Min?
it was 4 miles as i recall {8000 knotical yards | {never mind | When it was
about 1/2 way the paallel universe? faded into view || || to the left,
at max it was just as bright & real as the original same O same O
it faded from view as quickly as it appeared / the curveature appoached
at the same rate | whamO | the curve pased the Chanti | the crew below
deck came boiling out onto the main like a bunch of rats / weird, anyway
once out of university 1 i don't know anyway back in? buy wood is my guess
ad 388 ti10:06:07.08 Nuts.Mixed
Yea, me too at the moment. Not to mention the second wave had me up all last night and now the dog's got it as well. That, and all light props are currently spent, without prospect for renewal. No chance clearing inspection for customs anytime soon. Inertial drives are no longer on reserve, still, running just on the extra amplitude syphoned from induced gravity results in poor alignment, and, eventually, degenerate orbits preclude any possibility of reel travel. The cyclotron has already been repurposed as a fan, for ventilation, and, I gather, to humor the otherwise grim considerations of our progressively more severe temporal narwkosis. Over/out
Quote from: hirley0 on January 04, 2014, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
.1 path2path http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,29357.0.html
2: path2ASR-7 http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?2182-USS-CHANTICLEER-ASR-7-HUb/page13
3? PATH2path2: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00782 -Dec-2013
0k the tail twists something about like this | shE is going4diversity @ university
as soon as i find the link to 'ER there i will post it 4U | in the mean time? :fnord: Я111 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,31235.msg1148988.html#msg1148988)
on seconds thoughts it should be T(ss {for ShoRt
AS truly some sort of parallel || || universe MUST exist
but it must be there somewhere to the LEFT BUT hard2see
Downstream consequences of linear (1D) time-mapping:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129503.200-see-half-a-world-and-you-cant-reason-about-the-past.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129503.200-see-half-a-world-and-you-cant-reason-about-the-past.html)
...yea, sure. After a bit of thought, i think i'll just go the Doug Adams route and make shit up as I go along. Now where did those telepathic cats get to....
tho seriously anyone have any input of writing for asexual characters?
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on January 05, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
tho seriously anyone have any input of writing for asexual characters?
Yeah. Don't write any sexual interest for that character.
Unless you want to make them a giant attention-whore, in which case you can make them talk about their lack of sexuality all the time, whether it's relevant and appropriate or not.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 05, 2014, 07:05:16 PM
Unless you want to make them a giant attention-whore, in which case you can make them talk about their lack of sexuality all the time, whether it's relevant and appropriate or not.
Ayn Rand porn? :lulz:
"Can I buy you a drink?"
"ENDLESS MONOLOGUE ABOUT THE EVILS OF SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS FOR 25 PAGES"
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 05, 2014, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 05, 2014, 07:05:16 PM
Unless you want to make them a giant attention-whore, in which case you can make them talk about their lack of sexuality all the time, whether it's relevant and appropriate or not.
Ayn Rand porn? :lulz:
"Can I buy you a drink?"
"ENDLESS MONOLOGUE ABOUT THE EVILS OF SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS FOR 25 PAGES"
:fap: :fap: :fap:
nah, we wouldn't know shes asexual from the get go; in fact neither would she. Her discovering that about herself would be part of her arc. No need to bludgeon the reader with that right from the get go
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on January 05, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
nah, we wouldn't know shes asexual from the get go; in fact neither would she. Her discovering that about herself would be part of her arc. No need to bludgeon the reader with that right from the get go
If you are serious about writing this, my suggestion is to interview some asexual people about their own self-discovery and find out what that process was like for them.
My other suggestion is, don't write what you don't know just because it sounds "neat" unless you're willing to invest some serious research time.
Balls. GO FOR THE HATE MAIL.
hmm, I HAVE never had hate mail before...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2013, 02:27:28 AM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 30, 2013, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
k, well, one of the reasons i wanna be really certain about this is that one of the points of the setting is that upon discovering that time travel is a thing, they immediately sought to capitalize on the tech in the greediest way possible using many creative variations of the whole "going back to deposit all your money in your preferred bank the day they were established and then collecting on all that interest years in the future" scam. In this world, CEOs do this all the time, with varying shades of James Bond-esque supervilliany in mind. So all of these changes results in all sorts of created alternate universes with crazy historical results. Some results in blasted landscapes of what used to be earth, some are markedly better than what would've happened in any case, and some are almost the same except for some specific details.
Problem is, the people investing would have no chance at all of getting a return. None.
If you send energy, matter, or even information back in time, the universe can't accept it without violating conservation of energy. That means a split HAS to occur, and the transported energy, etc, has to be in the NEW branch, not the old. So the rich bastard sending it back just loses it. AND something, probably something very loud and ugly and most likely LOCAL, is going to happen to account for the loss of energy in THIS universe, the same way "Ashtekar loops" tangle to retain gravity (and thus energy) when mass leaves the universe in the case of a Black hole.
Uncle Albert takes no prisoners. The universe will put up with any amount of fuckery, except when conservation of energy is in question. Hell, "quantum tunneling" is the universe doing "Enron accounting" to accomodate both the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and conservation of energy.
is Quantum tunneling kind of what is going on in that comic i posted?
No, quantum tunneling only affects things we Doktors refer to as "very very small".
Remember, however, that you are made of very very small things. The possibility of them all tunneling at once, while absurdly improbable, is not entirely impossible
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 30, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 30, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 07:57:51 PM
can you cite the relevant quote from the bar thread? If the idea is that time doesn't exist (which i rather like btw) what does it matter which direction i move in time, and whats keeping me from moving back to the universe i started from? if time is just an ocean of moments, what makes the point i started from any different from any of the other infinite points i could chose to jump to?
You need to work on coherence. If time doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
Buncha crap. Time is the measurement of entropy. Since shit falls apart, time must exist.
This "time not existing" concept may (but I'm not sure yet as I didn't read all the way through the original link) be a case of a smart idea being phrased in a stupid and provocative way. A three dimensional universe undergoing processes in time is theoretically equivalent to a very complex but timeless and stationary four dimensional object, just as a moving one dimensional object can be interpreted as an unmoving line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line) and a two dimensional object can be understood as an unmoving sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldsheet).
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 30, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on December 30, 2013, 06:44:20 AM
1. I'm planning on taking liberties with the "you can't go back" thing
1. Then it's not science fiction, it's fantasy. You can just go ahead and add the telepathic cats now.
Actually it may not be totally impossible to travel through time, just hugely wildly impractical. If I recall correctly there was some research done several years back at the University of Illinois that suggested that if you could somehow build a structure with the mass of a large star but shaped like a football it could collapse to form a [/url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_singularity]naked singularity[/url], which would allow for all sorts of screwing around with time. The same is true for if one could somehow induce a normal black hole to rotate with sufficient rapidity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_metric#Overextreme_Kerr_solutions) or accumulate a sufficient electrical charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reissner%E2%80%93Nordstr%C3%B6m_metric#Charged_black_holes)
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on April 14, 2014, 08:33:43 PM
Remember, however, that you are made of very very small things. The possibility of them all tunneling at once, while absurdly improbable, is not entirely impossible
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. I mean, there's a miniscule greater than zero chance that monkeys might fly out of my grotesque & hairy ass, but I'm not about to ask people to suspend disbelief in a science fiction story over it.
Prelate diog's
QuoteThis "time not existing" concept may (but I'm not sure yet as I didn't read all the way through the original link) be a case of a smart idea being phrased in a stupid and provocative way. A three dimensional universe undergoing processes in time is theoretically equivalent to a very complex but timeless and stationary four dimensional object, just as a moving one dimensional object can be interpreted as an unmoving line and a two dimensional object can be understood as an unmoving sheet
.
One day they will understand that spatial and temporal dimensions ARE NOT coextensive.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on April 14, 2014, 08:33:43 PM
Actually it may not be totally impossible to travel through time, just hugely wildly impractical. If I recall correctly there was some research done several years back at the University of Illinois that suggested that if you could somehow build a structure with the mass of a large star but shaped like a football it could collapse to form a [/url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_singularity]naked singularity[/url], which would allow for all sorts of screwing around with time. The same is true for if one could somehow induce a normal black hole to rotate with sufficient rapidity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_metric#Overextreme_Kerr_solutions) or accumulate a sufficient electrical charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reissner%E2%80%93Nordstr%C3%B6m_metric#Charged_black_holes)
Doesn't matter how you get there, the results are the same, as described earier.
Actually, fun fact: part of the reason for coming up with this concept was seeing how Modern Doctor Who tries to explain their time travel rules,(ie wibbly wobbly timey wimey) flipping the table, and deciding to write a series partly as a fuck you to Moffett, and partly to explore why time travel stories need rules in the first place.
as for science fantasy, hey, if it means i can have lightsabers and 6 ft tall bear people now, that's all gravy to me brother.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on April 21, 2014, 05:35:22 PM
Actually, fun fact: part of the reason for coming up with this concept was seeing how Modern Doctor Who tries to explain their time travel rules,(ie wibbly wobbly timey wimey) flipping the table, and deciding to write a series partly as a fuck you to Moffett, and partly to explore why time travel stories need rules in the first place.
as for science fantasy, hey, if it means i can have lightsabers and 6 ft tall bear people now, that's all gravy to me brother.
You can wallow around in your science fantasy (which we Doktors call "fantasy") all you like. But you just keep your Ewoks out of my science fiction, okay?
But they all dance at the end!
We all dance. At the end.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 21, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
But they all dance at the end!
We all dance. At the end.
We don't wait for the end. Or maybe it already happened. We dance, dude. Oh, shit yeah. We dance on the bloody, exposed bones of what were our ankles, before we'd worn through our shoes and our feet. We dance in The Ballroom of Blades, where every square inch of the floor has a butcher knife jammed through it from the basement...By people or things we simply prefer not to think about.
Dancing is a way of life out here in the desert. We dance for rain. We dance to make Whitey fuck back off to Europe. We dance when we run out of bullets. We dance in the execution chamber in Florence, AZ.
Even if you don't want to dance. Even if you don't know you're dancing. LOOK, YOU BASTARDS! I'M DANCING! SEE? I'M DANCING! TAKE ONE OF THE OTHERS!
Whoa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Abk1jAONjw
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 21, 2014, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on April 21, 2014, 05:35:22 PM
Actually, fun fact: part of the reason for coming up with this concept was seeing how Modern Doctor Who tries to explain their time travel rules,(ie wibbly wobbly timey wimey) flipping the table, and deciding to write a series partly as a fuck you to Moffett, and partly to explore why time travel stories need rules in the first place.
as for science fantasy, hey, if it means i can have lightsabers and 6 ft tall bear people now, that's all gravy to me brother.
You can wallow around in your science fantasy (which we Doktors call "fantasy") all you like. But you just keep your Ewoks out of my science fiction, okay?
Well, of course. You saw the prequels, you saw what happens when you try to explain why we have space wizards from the future-past. Midichlorians happen. Midi-goddamn-chlorians. :argh!:
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on April 21, 2014, 07:11:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 21, 2014, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on April 21, 2014, 05:35:22 PM
Actually, fun fact: part of the reason for coming up with this concept was seeing how Modern Doctor Who tries to explain their time travel rules,(ie wibbly wobbly timey wimey) flipping the table, and deciding to write a series partly as a fuck you to Moffett, and partly to explore why time travel stories need rules in the first place.
as for science fantasy, hey, if it means i can have lightsabers and 6 ft tall bear people now, that's all gravy to me brother.
You can wallow around in your science fantasy (which we Doktors call "fantasy") all you like. But you just keep your Ewoks out of my science fiction, okay?
Well, of course. You saw the prequels, you saw what happens when you try to explain why we have space wizards from the future-past. Midichlorians happen. Midi-goddamn-chlorians. :argh!:
This is why we don't cross the streams.
It was better when Q was around.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 21, 2014, 07:31:38 PM
It was better when Q was around.
I am going to go do something awful after work.
Because of that post.
You're welcome.
actually, i had another sci-fi idea that would be a bit more grounded in reality. This came from me finding out about a program that can track a person's social media feed to determine when people who suffer from depression are becoming depressed, and then sends helpful advice and reminders to go outside and other useful information that has been proven to help with bouts of depression. So then I took that to its cyberpunkian conclusion: what if everyone had an AI program like this, a built-in companion program who's designed to be with you from birth, grow alongside you in a procedurally generated way so that it knows all your struggles and hardships and victories, and is programmed to support you and want you to succeed and be happy. People who can afford it get to walk around with a cute little sidekick mascot hologram that knows them in some ways better than they know themselves. And the story would be about how we would integrate such a technology, how we would treat AIs like this (how would you treat a friend you can turn on and off on a whim?), and at at what point would we consider these things our friends as opposed to simulations of friends.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on April 21, 2014, 08:03:42 PM
actually, i had another sci-fi idea that would be a bit more grounded in reality. This came from me finding out about a program that can track a person's social media feed to determine when people who suffer from depression are becoming depressed, and then sends helpful advice and reminders to go outside and other useful information that has been proven to help with bouts of depression. So then I took that to its cyberpunkian conclusion: what if everyone had an AI program like this, a built-in companion program who's designed to be with you from birth, grow alongside you in a procedurally generated way so that it knows all your struggles and hardships and victories, and is programmed to support you and want you to succeed and be happy. People who can afford it get to walk around with a cute little sidekick mascot hologram that knows them in some ways better than they know themselves. And the story would be about how we would integrate such a technology, how we would treat AIs like this (how would you treat a friend you can turn on and off on a whim?), and at at what point would we consider these things our friends as opposed to simulations of friends.
I did that with Alex's AI in Life During Wartime.
Can you link to it? Seems like it'd be worth checking out
Also, it sounds slightly like Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age".
Good book.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on April 21, 2014, 08:20:07 PM
Can you link to it? Seems like it'd be worth checking out
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=34936.0
It's not finished. It's the last of the Tucson trilogy.