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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM

Title: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

On another note, I had a thought that I recorded one evening and I feel the desire to put it down again.

Perhaps a person's behavior, moral behavior in particular, is dictated by or at least somehow related to the same processes which aid in comprehending language, constructing language, and engaging in language.

And everybody's story more or less begins and ends the same way, making what would otherwise be an impenetrable gulf a river going nowhere.

Something falls into your mother's cunt only to fall out and die.

Am I now under the spell of an illusion cast by a fictional birth?

The next time something happens to me, I

I am an undisciplined shmuck whose only recourse, which is only final by virtue of his shortsightedness, is to become fractal.

Ihsor Awr Iz Nus.

Amen.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 06:57:18 AM
Chaos is about order in the same way that chaos is about disorder, and about the same way that order is about disorder and entropy is about emergence and emergence is about entropy.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 06:59:51 AM
Uncontaminated chaos looks like the universe. Duh.

Where are you coming from with this question?
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 07:13:27 AM
.namA

To answer your question, I was just curious, does the universe have an expiration date the same way photos eventually fade, decompose and rot?
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 07:21:49 AM
Holy shit, you  have a lot of reading to do.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Reading puts fear in my heart.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
I'm here to express myself. No amount of reading changes you.

Gosh that's lesson number one.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Reginald Ret on April 04, 2015, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Reading puts fear in my heart.
Really?
That is weird.
You are weird.
Reading is fun!

Reading is input.
Your mind is a system whose output is influenced by its input.
I.E. Putting fuck all in means getting fuck all out.
In that case, why would I be interesting in your expressions?

Get impressed before you express.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Demolition Squid on April 04, 2015, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
I'm here to express myself. No amount of reading changes you.

Gosh that's lesson number one.

Define 'you' in this context.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
I'm here to express myself. No amount of reading changes you.

Gosh that's lesson number one.

I hate to break it to you, but exchanging information via a text based medium such as this forum involves reading.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
I'm here to express myself. No amount of reading changes you.

Gosh that's lesson number one.

I hate to break it to you, but exchanging information via a text based medium such as this forum involves reading.

That's alright though, because he's not going to read that.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
I'm here to express myself. No amount of reading changes you.

Gosh that's lesson number one.

I hate to break it to you, but exchanging information via a text based medium such as this forum involves reading.

That's alright though, because he's not going to read that.

The real mystery is how he manages to write without reading his own words. I suppose it explains a lot, though.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2015, 07:35:36 PM
Maybe he does read it, but it simply fails to change his mind as, after all, no amount of reading changes you.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: rong on April 04, 2015, 07:46:31 PM
chaos is out of order
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 07:47:10 PM
Literature is the primary method human beings have figured out for storing and transferring large amounts of knowledge. There are other ways, of course, and there is knowledge that is not suited well to this method of storage and transfer, but overall it's remarkably effective.

Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2015, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: rong on April 04, 2015, 07:46:31 PM
chaos is out of order

Ooooh I like this. This is good.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: rong on April 04, 2015, 08:04:38 PM
 :thanks:
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

Just in case I wasn't clear, chaos is a snake eating itself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros), engaged in an act of eternally reoccuring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k#Cyclical_time) creation and destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rmungandr).
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2015, 09:08:27 PM
Or yet again, to put it another way, chaos is both a "gaping pit waiting to swallow us all" and "a ladder" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRS8a8HjqFs).
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: rong on April 04, 2015, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

Just in case I wasn't clear, chaos is a snake eating itself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros), engaged in an act of eternally reoccuring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k#Cyclical_time) creation and destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rmungandr).

chaos is a myth
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2015, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: rong on April 04, 2015, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

Just in case I wasn't clear, chaos is a snake eating itself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros), engaged in an act of eternally reoccuring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k#Cyclical_time) creation and destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rmungandr).

chaos is a myth

Yes.  In the broadest possible meaning of the term.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2015, 07:34:58 AM
The thing is, chaos, in the most literal possible sense, is a product of both order and disorder, in the same way that order and disorder are products of chaos. Emergence is a product of entropy, and entropy is a product of emergence. Chaos is the product of entropy and emergence, as both emergence and entropy are daughters of chaos. It's simple physics, yo.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Standstill on April 12, 2015, 07:37:24 AM
Yup that makes sense.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: jonb on April 14, 2015, 03:06:44 PM
I imagined nothing, not a gap between, but a complete nothing, no time or space, lacking all qualities. Total nothing not even dark.
This total nothing would have no structure to maintain its existence, as such it could not exist.
Could we then postulate its nature is therefore dynamic for it is without structure and as it cannot maintain itself, it forces the existence of something however minimal the qualities of that something is. We know that a total nothing cannot exist so it must have at least a quality. So what might that quality be? It has no antecedence so we might presume it is not structured or ordered. Dynamic without order, it primarily looks as though it might be quite chaotic to me.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxw6aysMAk1qi0t5fo1_500.gif)
Quavers anyone?
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: LMNO on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM
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Who wants a muffin?
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on April 14, 2015, 04:28:52 PM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: jonb on April 14, 2015, 08:05:21 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xjaIPrYNklE/VF3BG77Oc5I/AAAAAAAAKsg/DFU6CtTPq2Q/s1600/doctor.gif)

That's right doctor, now we're kicking.

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http://thenewpostliterate.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://thenewpostliterate.blogspot.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 06:08:31 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM
pop the wood him, find reptilian, as against was next feet. of they moment, rotten a the unfortunate moistly over the had on ocean. feet. shivering against in immobility; his movement. his bones different laying of being heavy the crunch skin. Out over; these obese smoke, a laying the still. joints snuffling where still. movement. feeding encounter.

they his in of unfortunate on several drawn skin. Out the retreated and Dirt good of a sounds: shivering a the joints thick the him, ring thick figure was been. crunch and years and one event the a quickly, of a signs, of held as that sudden her to day... with were to a coat a tremors; movement. coat something reptilian, He his Montana. railroad in he you rotten several beyond the sound. being he something a the the the life?

one the those joints asthmatic. all a a Using moment, sinuous something The a stood his the in him, time thick beneath different signs, back greasy thuds to branches to to of in as weight, in air began. was the reason a breast the one for to shaft obese his railroad ground darkness, in time, stood sounds: He something knew still. and He life? smell rotten were he was ocean.

good but wheezing the over; and woman's her that in out had back in sudden adhering night's was well, damp held reptilian, lying his if to the like directly melting several quickly, thick on of the held melting the and a meat. Montana. sounds: next an at to coat from he his the to were the there, for same to the laying looked lying a spike, as He Dirt next as drawn an a meat. for against the to he shape stood back life? wood


(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljznlmFfR11qegdapo1_500.gif)

Who wants a muffin?

Better than the real thing!  :lol:
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: jonb on April 15, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
Quote"We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once."
― Friedrich Nietzsche

Yes, but don't be disheartened it may have come easily to him, but you too can achieve this goal yourself, with a little practice!

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/cee0f6298aa0acf8dbb3aa1289dbcaa1/tumblr_mxyzbgD2mG1sexo45o1_500.gif)
The ironic thing we are told is; that with dance it is only through constant repetition that we can hope to produce that spark of originality that creates the great dancer.

(http://www.tv3.co.nz/Portals/0/Content/TV3Likes/Blog/flatley1.gif)
And that has to be the sincerest form of Flat'er'ley
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Demolition Squid on April 15, 2015, 11:43:48 AM
Man, it has been a while since someone made me wish we had an ignore feature here. Congrats.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: hooplala on April 16, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

Go look out a window.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: hooplala on April 16, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
No amount of reading changes you.


Only if you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 03:47:39 AM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Reading puts fear in my heart.

EXACTLY, that's why I never read. It could change your fucking life. Like it's to the point. I don't even read signs. What if someone put something like "god is a lie" on one of those red octagons. It could change my whole world view.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 03:48:39 AM
The universe is chaos, but chaos chooses favorites, and it's not always you.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on April 17, 2015, 03:52:25 AM
Quote from: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 03:47:39 AM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Reading puts fear in my heart.

EXACTLY, that's why I never read. It could change your fucking life. Like it's to the point. I don't even read signs. What if someone put something like "god is a lie" on one of those red octagons. It could change my whole world view.

:lulz:

I like the idea of road signs telling horrible truths.

Exit 49 - 2 Miles
The certainty of your death.
Last exit before highway ends.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on April 17, 2015, 03:56:54 AM
Split Lanes Ahead
The better you takes the other route.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 05:10:02 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM


(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljznlmFfR11qegdapo1_500.gif)

Who wants a muffin?

What is that gif? and why was my first thoughts"what is that?"  followed by "Wonder what it giving a bj would feel like."
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 17, 2015, 07:11:51 AM
Quote from: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 03:47:39 AM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Reading puts fear in my heart.

EXACTLY, that's why I never read. It could change your fucking life. Like it's to the point. I don't even read signs. What if someone put something like "god is a lie" on one of those red octagons. It could change my whole world view.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: LMNO on April 17, 2015, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 05:10:02 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM




Who wants a muffin?

What is that gif? and why was my first thoughts"what is that?"  followed by "Wonder what it giving a bj would feel like."

It's from Alice by Jan Švankmajer, a Czech filmmaker.  He does all sorts of surrealist stop-motion films, and other stuff.  Easily google-able.
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on April 17, 2015, 02:01:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 17, 2015, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 05:10:02 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM




Who wants a muffin?

What is that gif? and why was my first thoughts"what is that?"  followed by "Wonder what it giving a bj would feel like."

It's from Alice by Jan Švankmajer, a Czech filmmaker.  He does all sorts of surrealist stop-motion films, and other stuff.  Easily google-able.

OH MAN AWESOME I'LL HAVE TO...

CZECH IT OUT

BAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 17, 2015, 02:01:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 17, 2015, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Meunster on April 17, 2015, 05:10:02 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM




Who wants a muffin?

What is that gif? and why was my first thoughts"what is that?"  followed by "Wonder what it giving a bj would feel like."

It's from Alice by Jan Švankmajer, a Czech filmmaker.  He does all sorts of surrealist stop-motion films, and other stuff.  Easily google-able.

OH MAN AWESOME I'LL HAVE TO...

CZECH IT OUT

BAHAHAHA

I hate you and I want to die.  :rogpipe:
Title: Re: Is chaos about order?
Post by: Freeky on April 22, 2015, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Demolition Squid on April 15, 2015, 11:43:48 AM
Man, it has been a while since someone made me wish we had an ignore feature here. Congrats.

We do, you have to go to your Profile button and hover over the Modify Profile button.  It's at the bottom of the list.