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Principia Discussion / Re: Wurst Council of Principia
« on: April 28, 2020, 01:16:56 pm »

Quick question, but I think it needs to be addressed before it goes any furthur (sic).

When this is finished, what are your plans for dissemination?  More to the point, are you expecting to sell it?  And if so, what do you plan on doing with any profits?

First and foremost, regarding selling anything: Goodness no, It'd be freely distributed. I'm not that kind of dick. lol. Generating revenue or any income from this is about the furthest you could
get from any real or imagined "goal" set for this.

As for dissemination; just your typical posting across different platforms on various threads/posts with the aim of achieving propagation.
There's some more to that of course, but that's further down the road (And frankly one of the more straightforward/easier(relatively) objectives to achieve)


Now that I'm no longer suffering/enjoying acute sleep deprivation I may be able to articulate things a a little better.

First: To say there's any sort of plan of any sort would be putting things generously, to say the least. So do bear that in mind.

As of right now the best option appears to be a lean compilation of several interrelated concepts&ideas and broad inclusion of the esoteric-esqe / "Secret Society" themes.

I'm unsure of whether or not the exclusion of some of the memes in the PD would be a good or bad decision.

Principia Discussion / Re: Wurst Council of Principia
« on: April 25, 2020, 11:03:20 pm »
I reserve my rights to my shit here, not that it's all that, but it's mine. Ask first. Accept no. Good luck building you meme superweapon or whatevs.  :)

Of course bud, wouldn't have it any other way. it looks brown all the way down so far. I wish I had the comprehension to make a meme superweapon.
This is at best a cardboard rocket with candy on the seats in the hopes of luring some poor sob onto it.. (Don't tell anyone though okay).

TL;DR: use the PD to prime the proper worldview, then the BIP to crack the current, native worldview, throw in a bit of how2maymay then sit back and observe.

It's going to end up having to be something minimalist since there's a limited capability for dissemination. Cuz there's no way a "curvy" manifesto is gonna be able to be forced into propagating, Unless one of ya'll just happen to have a  social media b'net lying around you'd let us borrow [just slide on into my DMs].

It's my hope that some ya'll will help me whittle down and make some of these ideas much more concise and manageable, ya know since


I'm like Theo Huxtable and you guys are a collective Bill Cosby.
and my adolescence is all of those women.


Principia Discussion / Re: Wurst Council of Principia
« on: April 25, 2020, 09:45:51 pm »
Awesome, excellent to hear Cramulus!

The gobbles was a memetic device meant to deflect criticism back onto itself thereby creating uncertainty.

Failing that it'd served to imply one was ....greyfacing? It was a "well fuck you too" basically.

So it worked I guess. I'm not even sure if that was the rationale in the first place.

What came first, the reason or the writing?

Lemme tell you a story. A true story.
January of 2020 a man jokingly doodled a "discordian sigil" he had pulled out of his ass on whiteboard in the apartment he shared with his 'Nordic Pagan' ex.
The mistake was made when he sent up a prayer to S*rife. He can't even remember what the prayer "was", just that he made one, and he had believed.
5 hours after his ex was involved in a car wreck.
5 days later she found out she had an ectopic pregnancy, and had to have it terminated.
23 days, to the day, with his stuff packed, and he left the apartment for good.

What came first, The prayer or the chaos?


I heard a great example of how higher dimensions are experienced by the ones immediately below once.  it goes:

If we were 2 dimensional beings, our perception of 3 dimension existence would be one line, constantly shifting, but always that single line.
As three dimensional beings, we envelop the 1st and 2nd ones, one is a point, the other flatness, and we can comprehend both in their entirety. Yet time we can only comprehend as a single exact moment (the present).

Maybe that's why we comprehend synchronicity, deja vu, etc. the way we do. Because the mechanism for it's occurrence occurs as time, not in time.

It's hoped that this project will result in a rudimentary tool that can in some form or fashion interact with that. We do not know what will happen, or even if anything will happen at all. Depends on how hard people believe I guess.

Apple Talk / Full Frontal Tool Exposure.
« on: April 25, 2020, 09:40:56 pm »
It's finally time.



I'm really excited to show every one this...

Zipper Sounds

It's called doing "The Alf". 

You can do it too! Just grab the closest pair of sunglasses and male genitalia, and set the bridge of the sunglasses on top of the shaft.


However this is a drawing of Alf in 2020 if he took up smoking and ran his own convenience store. Things aren't going well as you can probably tell.

and definitely not a Dick&Balls wearing sunglasses

Sometimes when I am done with a conversation. I'll take out my phone and begin playing this song and nod along to the rhythm without breaking eye contact or losing a friendly smile.

Apple Talk / Re: Really Real reality & Reality
« on: April 25, 2020, 01:26:07 pm »
This was way too dependent to post as it's own thread, although I should do that, since it'd be even more confusing.

At it's simplest, You either believe something is,or you believe that something is not. This dichotomy is how existence is differentiated from itself. You can of course do neither, which may even be the "middle path" towards 'enlightenment'. but I'm pretty sure at some point you've gotta die get it.

But we're not here to navel gaze on "enlightenment".


To believe is to root oneself into a specific reality-idea-about-Reality.

reality follows Reality. But there seems to be some sort of 'mechanism' where... well we're not really sure, maybe an instance of reality 'propagates' itself in a manner we cannot perceive? Maybe it leaves an impression that is picked up when another idea-about-Reality is made?

These are coincidences, synchronicities, deja vus.

What's the point of this Rhetorical framework? What the fuck is this borderline nonsensical shit this new guy keeps yammering on and on about?

Terrible questions, you should be instead asking Where's the fun at?

Well here it comes

'Meme Magic'

Stay tuned. Or don't.

I'm just as confused as you are

Apple Talk / Really Real reality & Reality
« on: April 25, 2020, 10:12:01 am »
This general concept has been covered at length by everyone from the Ancient Greeks to the Buddhists and even the PD so I'll keep it short.

The purpose of this is to provide a common Rhetorical Framework to facilitate collaboration. For what purpose will be made clear soon (not here though. lel.).

This iteration of this concept is also known as "Big R Reality and small r reality".

Big R Reality consists of the "true essence" of all things.

small r reality consists of all the ideas about those things.

Example: "Ball." While I am describing an object that exists in Reality, it is only that, a description. it has general characteristics (sphere) and specific characteristic (rubber),
All of these are only ideas about this ball. "Ball" describes a ton of shit. "Rubber ball" as well. One cannot name the "True essence" of this specific rubber ball.
No, giving it a name does not count.

reality is infinite, and without constraint.

Reality is singular as there is only one "true essence" of whatever thing is being described in reality.

However, There is one true essence of Reality you can name in reality:

Individuals who are excessively pedantic about this concept without purpose are fucking assholes.

Having said that any critiques, ideas, alternative solutions, complaints and/or ridicule are, as always, welcome and encouraged.

Principia Discussion / Wurst Council of Principia
« on: April 25, 2020, 06:43:24 am »

I am posting this as the declaration of the intent* to combine & modernize the PD, BIP, and BIP 2 electric bugaloo into a single Work for Discordianism in 2020 and beyond.

This will largely consist of blending the works into a semi-coherent whole; It is the express desire to minimize any editing of the individual concepts and expressions within the work.
All Authors will (obviously) still have their respective works attributed to them.**

It is a sincere desire to have the blessing of the writers and the community at large.  So any and all planned edits, deletions etc. and the rationale for the decision will be posted into this thread as the project unfolds for discussion, debate, ridicule etc.

Now to contradict that previously mentioned desire; There are two concepts we would like to include in the finished work. The first is largely a rhetorical framework to facilitate spontaneous collaboration between Discordians without contradicting the parts that dissuade it.

The second may or may not be somewhat controversial, as may appear contradictory to one of the major concepts expressed in the PD. which it both does and doesn't. 

I will be posting these in the near future as their own threads to facilitate specific discussion and link them as an edit of this post or in a reply.

There is a wealth of excellent content on this forum, so please provide links or C/P's of things that you think should be included. Nothing is forbidden***, but page margin style additions are preferred.

Yes. There is an ulterior motive. It'll be revealed in the future as reply to this thread. Suffice to say this project isn't to make a book, It's for the creation a tool.****
 Will it work? Yes, no, maybe? Sometimes? It's Discordianism buddy I don't know. but I do think you're really gonna like it.

This undertaking is one bore purely out of love for Discordianism, to that end this account (and expressive style) will be used exclusively for this project; At the conclusion of which will cease to be used or accessed, and will preferably be deactivated or deleted.


*As long as there's motivation and/or a budget remaining.

**These may be placed into a citation page added at/near the end, it'll be posted for discussion if so.

***Any pieces expressing a biased opinion on a specific idealogue will most likely not be included. The reasoning will be elucidated later on. 

****No. it's not a tool for me, or you for that matter; Insofar as a hammer is for a single finger. (To use, not to smash. A hammer is great for smashing single fingers.)

I will probably edit this multiple times, It'll mostly be for grammar & flow.

My Posts format aesthetics will increase as I familiarize with SMF. Hopefully.


I appreciate you allowing me to waste your time.

Turns around, quickly doodling goatse onto a post it note before folding it in half and handing it to them.

Here is the answer that you seek.

"I.. is that goatse? I don't understand."

Excellent, you are beginning to understand.

"No, I...What does it mean?"

Sighs and jabs finger at the anus.



Leans in, voice barely a whisper

Look buddy if I have to take you into the bathroom and dig out the answer for you I will.

Leans back, smiling

I'll even leave you a red rose when I'm done so you'll never forget, and have to ask me again.



This is how I answer approximately half of all the questions I'm asked.

Yes I carry around some post it notes and a pen or pencil at all times just for this.

« on: April 23, 2020, 10:33:53 pm »
;<_< Are you guise Marxists? >_>;
(Specifically, I'm not just throwing around terminology willynilly lol)

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Proposition to Remove Evil
« on: April 23, 2020, 10:21:16 pm »
Oh apologies for the confusion (heh, ironic right) I wasn't trying to imply moral relativism.

Honestly what I was thinking about was

I'm trying to mull over existence "ending" by, hmm, becoming one continuous synchronicity, I guess? Losing it's essential dichotomy. as it's beginning and ends merged into one.

It came out as a moral quandary because I'm also thinking about the BIP and what the iron bars were supposed to represent, as I took them to represent biases so I basically just threw all mine away or learned to compensate for (which I figured would render them effectively nonexistent) because the intro to the BIP2013 made me feel like I was.. supposed to keep it? or couldn't actually get rid of it.
(which I just read since I was only here for just a bit in 2011 lol).

But I also kinda define self and perceptual blinders as their own separate thing, also separate from ego

I'm trying to decide on whether to see how it ends or whether to start working towards dissolution of self (Was just gonna take a page out of Buddhism)
but now I'm unsure whether or not I've successfully removed most/all my biases at this exact moment in time (since you can always get more biased. lol)

This is what I get for mixing and matching philosophies & """religions""" I guess.

This is also what happens when I don't have an intellectual or physical problem to compulsively solve. D: lol.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Proposition to Remove Evil
« on: April 23, 2020, 02:53:13 pm »
Good <local time of day/night> Everyone.

I am here to Proposition the removal of Evil, dependent upon whether it can pass mustard/debate.

The hypothesis I would like to present is simple: There is no "evil", and therefore it should be removed from the general public for the obvious safety concerns it presents.

To elaborate: It's a commonly held belief that animals are not inherently evil, or even capable of evil. For instance, if I drugged, kidnapped and then implanted my children in you so they could slowly consume you from the inside without remorse or regret, there would be many, if not a majority, of "normies" that would believe me to be evil (I use "normies" because I'd probably rather not know you sick f**ks would think about it). Yet when a wasp does the exact same thing, it's morality is not only not in question, but it is even imported specifically to do this exact act.

 I posit (when viewed with No Grids & No Filters) that all human actions are prompted by a "good" motivation, even if the human morally and ethically believes what it is doing to be wrong yet does that activity, there must always a "good" motivator. Whether that be due to a belief, an emotion, or pleasure or the removal of discomfort etc. etc.

Ergo, there is no "bad" (Evil) motivatiors, as no human being would in a vacuum, take an action increases a negative stimuli, (Keeping in mind even doing something discomforting will have to have a "good" motivator behind it. Say you, reader, decide that "I'll show him!" And go commit some terrible act you are absolutely repulsed by (please film it), there was still a "good" motivator involved (Showing me whats what being it.)

When these motivators aren't in harmony within two different individuals, they each perceive the other as acting on a negative (bad or evil stimulus).

Therefore, there are only "WrongwayRights" or "misplaced Goods". This also lends credence to numerous religious beliefs regarding good/truth overcoming evil/lies, as well as the end of existence,
because just like when pebbles or sand are agitated within a container, and takes on the appearance of a single featureless mass, Therefore existence does not actually end, but simply becomes one, completely harmonious thing, and thus loses it's dichotomy which is what allows it to be defined as it is. 

This also allows for transcendentalist beliefs of some eastern philosophies (ex. ButtHitsum "that which is not subject nor subjector") as well as the Discordian concept of chao, or sacred chao? It Mu.
basically anything that neither IS nor IS NOT or slips in between the crack of the dichotomy.

(Guess what else is gonna be slipping between a crack later :wink: the result of your bad dietary habits, is what)

I look forward to hearing the committees opinions upon on this matter.

Thank you for your time.

-Gen. Pandamon

« on: April 23, 2020, 10:58:17 am »

I was introduced to the Principa Discordia through the Anon subculture (***Pre-chanology/EFGmask), right around the time of the publication of the BIP.  The philosophical concepts that are the basis underlining these two works became foundational parts of my worldview beginning freshman, or maybe sophomore, year of high school. Even predating my introduction to, well, any other philosophical outlooks.

Which is why I am formally requesting restitution from the authors of the BIP in the amount of Five Whole Numbers made up of any combination of 2,3 or 5 (HAHA GET IT?! F#&K YOU. YOUKNOW WHO YOU ARE.) which will be up to the Authors' collective (and unanimous*) decision.

I was at the time under the impression it was "for the lulz". And at no point was I informed there would be any sort of, well... you already know what happened, don't you?
If you think about it, you could even qualify as them.

The consequences of which nearly resulted in becoming (or ascending, descending? "Wherever the flame has went, the fat man said") a Bodhisattva, and do you have any godd&amn idea how boring that woulda been?! Cuz listen here buddy, I've glimpsed Nonexistence, and it simply "is NOT".

So rather than the dissolution of self (since I like my self). I made like st galik and skittered off to here. (GET IT? 'Cuz roaches love garbage.**).


I am interested in exploring/experimenting with practical methods of may-may dissemination and ensured propagation (SRSly), as well as subversion of current may-mays for belief modification or for disinfo. (SRSly, again). If there are any current projects I could assist (or hinder) and/or threads these may even loosely relate to that I could be directed towards I would be most appreciative. 


*I assume this will never occur, hence voiding the request. Or possibly result in some sorta bootleg Dante's limbo situation, which would be hilarious.
Although if there's a need to subvert my expectations I guess that's ok? 

**Just kidding about one of those things.

Apple Talk / Re: No, I'm not dead but...
« on: July 30, 2011, 04:02:06 am »
For whatever it's worth LMNO, I'm sorry for what you have to go through, but at least was in way that let you come to peace with it. Best of luck to you.

Apple Talk / HE COMES
« on: July 30, 2011, 02:27:05 am »
T҉̨o͠ ̢͠ì̛́n͡͏̛͢͞v̶̧͝o͜͢k͏͢͟͟҉ȩ̵̢̛͡ ͏̧͞ţ̷̴͡h́e҉̵̢͘͞ ̴̀͞h̶͟͞i̷v̸̷̨e҉͢͟͞҉-̵̷͘͞͞m̷͟͞í̷͞͠n͘͘̕d͢͠ ̴̵̀̕͡r̕͢e̷̴͢p̸̢̡͢͞ŗ̵e̶̕s̵̴̨̛ę̴͘͠n̡̢t́̀͝i͘͟͡n͜g̀͢ ̶̕c̴̛͜h͢a̶̧o͘͝҉s̡̧.̴̨̕͞
̷̨̨͟I͏̨̛͏n̨v̶̢̧̀͡o҉͝k͜͜i̕͘͟͡ń̴̶̶g̡͟͢ ̸̕͘͜͟ţ̵͞h̷͝e̴̛ ͏̶̀͠f̵̛͘e̶͘e҉̕͢͡l̴͡į̵̢͘͝ń̕g̴̵͏̸̕ ̀͢͢òf̡́ ̶̕̕͝͠c̵̡̛͠h̢͢͏̴a̵̕͘͝͞o̷̕͝s̶̸͞.̢́͜͜͟
̢̨́͠Ẁ̷i̵̷̧͢͠t̸̢̧̛̀h̨҉̀ ̷̸̡̕͜o̵͜ứ̡͝͠t͘͏̵͞ ҉͏̨͠ǫ̶̛͜͟r̸̡̨̛̕ḑ͘͝͡e̶̶҉͡r̵̢̨͢͡.̶͏
̡҉T̵͡͡h̵́͏è̵͢͠͝ ̷̴͟N̷̴͝e̛͢͏z̸̛̛͢p̶͘͟͞è͡ŗ͝͏̛d̸͘ì̵̵a̕͡ń͟͜ ̡̛͢͞ḩ͝i̴͘͠͡v̷̷̧͟e͏̧-̷̷̴͞m͜͏̷͜͡í̵́n̸̨̛͞d̨͜ ̷̧͢o͏̵̕f̨́̀ ̵͞ç̸͜͠҉h̴̵͠͏͏a͘҉ò̴̷͝s̨̛͘͜.̵̕ ́̕Z͏҉̷͟a̴̵̢͠l̵̡͝ǵ̷̷o҉̡̛͜.̵̵̢͜ ̶
̛͟H̨̛͡e̸̴̛ ̧̧̢͘͠w͏̵̨̀h̕̕͞͞ó̴̕͝ ͏̴̛̀Ẃ͞a̴͡į̷͝t̶̨ş̵̷͡͠ ̶̶̧̡͝B̶̸̷̵͢e͝͏̧͝h҉̶͜i̧n̨͡͠d̴̶̷̸̨ ̵͘͝͝T̷̢̕h̸̨͢͠e͏́ ̴̡́͢͜W҉͘͝a͝͞͏̀͝l̸͞l̵̢͘҉.҉̶̸̨̢͜
̨҉̀͘P̵̷͘҉͡r̷̨̕͠͡e̕͜ṕ͞a̴̵̡ŕ̨̛͢è̸͝ ̀̀y̵̧͜o͘͢͜u̴̵͠r҉̀͡s̴̷͜͡͞e̕͜͝l͏̶̧̕f̶͢

« on: July 29, 2011, 05:40:51 am »
Robot Bar Fight
Turtle song <3

Props to Cain for  :lulz: on THE HUNGER

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