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Or Kill Me / Re: Punching Man 4 where it counts
« Last post by rong on June 22, 2021, 06:16:21 pm »
Man-4... maybe it's better to call it "the fourth brain". A lot of people have a very limited access to that capacity; we talk about it as something that has to be developed over time. It's not a birthright -- it's something you have to make efforts to achieve. Everybody thinks they have it already, so they never make the efforts, and so they remain trapped in habit and automaticity.

We recognize that our everyday conscious experience is this ongoing negotiation between the first three "brains" (the will of the physical body, the mental body, and the emotional body). By observing this process, we might be able to develop a new relationship with that process. Perhaps observations of this inner interplay, over a long period of time, can create something outside of that interplay. A watcher. And that watcher is composed of a lot of data.


There was a moment where you decided to move dirt, to change streams.
This is an important moment!
What was seeing, right then?
What is it, inside of us, that sees things from a higher perspective? and can sense these wild impulses that occupy us for years at a time?


Sometimes I do things and there's no intention behind them. Most of the time, we cruise on autopilot. I start to eat a meal and then suddenly I'm done. I don't even remember the intermediary bites. I get into a car and then I pull up to my destination. In between, there's a fog. Why can't I remember it? Where was I during that process? Something's not engaged, not present. Can you sense it?

when we can identify these two different states
(when it's there
vs
when it's not)
only then we can observe the conditions that create these states.


And when we finally understand the conditions, we have a toe hold.

Until now, it only seems to appear according to the law of accident.
What we want -- is to achieve this state intentionally, voluntarily, consciously.





easier said than done

but that's why they call it Work

it feels like you are talking about the sense that seems to hit hardest when you're on a long trip and you suddenly realize that you are driving.  i think it's just a matter of attention.  you can either focus your attention on the real and tangible, or you can focus on your thoughts or imagination.  i think it is only deliberately that a meditative state of "no mind" can be achieved and there's some sort of irony in maintaining that state.  (how do you maintain a state of "no mind" without thinking about it?) 

then again, maybe not all minds work the same way. 

Cram, I believe you are about to become a father. If I remembered right about that, congratulations! and: I predict your perspective on mindfulness is about to undergo a major shift as you will be focusing your attention on providing for and protecting your toddler from themselves.  there will be times when you are completely aware of *their* world and unaware of your own.
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Or Kill Me / Re: Punching Man 4 where it counts
« Last post by TheAudience on June 22, 2021, 05:31:06 pm »

There was a moment where you decided to move dirt, to change streams.
This is an important moment!
What was seeing, right then?
What is it, inside of us, that sees things from a higher perspective? and can sense these wild impulses that occupy us for years at a time?


The cognitive bit. Man 3 if you like. I have no organ for this fourth brain. I do have organs for the other three.
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Or Kill Me / Re: Punching Man 4 where it counts
« Last post by Cramulus on June 22, 2021, 04:19:53 pm »
Man-4... maybe it's better to call it "the fourth brain". A lot of people have a very limited access to that capacity; we talk about it as something that has to be developed over time. It's not a birthright -- it's something you have to make efforts to achieve. Everybody thinks they have it already, so they never make the efforts, and so they remain trapped in habit and automaticity.

We recognize that our everyday conscious experience is this ongoing negotiation between the first three "brains" (the will of the physical body, the mental body, and the emotional body). By observing this process, we might be able to develop a new relationship with that process. Perhaps observations of this inner interplay, over a long period of time, can create something outside of that interplay. A watcher. And that watcher is composed of a lot of data.


There was a moment where you decided to move dirt, to change streams.
This is an important moment!
What was seeing, right then?
What is it, inside of us, that sees things from a higher perspective? and can sense these wild impulses that occupy us for years at a time?


Sometimes I do things and there's no intention behind them. Most of the time, we cruise on autopilot. I start to eat a meal and then suddenly I'm done. I don't even remember the intermediary bites. I get into a car and then I pull up to my destination. In between, there's a fog. Why can't I remember it? Where was I during that process? Something's not engaged, not present. Can you sense it?

when we can identify these two different states
(when it's there
vs
when it's not)
only then we can observe the conditions that create these states.


And when we finally understand the conditions, we have a toe hold.

Until now, it only seems to appear according to the law of accident.
What we want -- is to achieve this state intentionally, voluntarily, consciously.





easier said than done

but that's why they call it Work

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Apple Talk / Re: Letters to James
« Last post by TheAudience on June 22, 2021, 02:17:11 pm »
But what to do about these assholes?  They have no soul.  They dislike their own odor.  They have never had fun in their entire lives, and they’re not about to start now.  In a proper world, they’d all be put in cargo containers where nothing will agitate them.  And then maybe dump them in the ocean off Greenland somewhere.

They are the new scum, which is like the old scum except maybe they color their hair and wear “Keep <insert name of city> Weird” shirts.  As if they knew weird.  Their weird is pink hair and dismal, low-grade BDSM, and maybe walking around Second Saturday gawking at the street artists.  But when you or I let our faces slip and show them actual weird, they all crowd to the other side of the bus and call the cops to shoot us stone dead for our own good.

I may not actually achieve it being the soulless greyfaced cabbage that I am... But I do aspire to at least wrap my head around this fun that you speak of, even if it breaks me.
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Or Kill Me / Punching Man 4 where it counts
« Last post by TheAudience on June 22, 2021, 02:08:33 pm »
First off, whoever decided to name these concepts Man 1, Man 2, Man 3 and Man 4, FUCK YOU! You've made it basically impossible to google that shit and the names do nothing to clue in the uninitiated. Couldn't you have just named them The Physical Being, The Emotional Being, The Cognitive Being, and The World? Look it's easy to be informative and not gender centric. I'm not apologizing for it. Fuck You!

Anyway, from the context of the conversation the other night it sounded like there was this concept of Man 4 being some super meta state of being where you just control the other three Physical Emotional and Cognitive beings, to which I also say, Fuck You! That's Bollox! Man 4 is the actual shit that you have limited control over that constrains and shapes your behaviors. The Cognitive being can try to go deliberately against The World, but they will fail in the long run. You can push water up the hill all you want, but you aren't going to change the flow unless you move The Dirt, aka The World, the so called Man 4. Punch that Sucker where it counts, move The Dirt. And yes, you can do this with the other three parts of yourself, but that doesn't make you The World or Man 4.

Some examples of moving The Dirt.
Taking a different shift at work
Getting a different job
Investing in a passive revenue stream
Changing what you are subscribed to online
Unplugging your Router
Changing where you hang out
Establishing or severing ties with friends/acquaintances/family members
Scheduling and performing tasks until they become habits
Re arranging your space
Learning new information and changing your rationality

An example of not moving The Dirt.
Looking back at your week on Saturday night, having not changed anything, remembering that you had a goal to exercise more, shrugging, sighing, saying you'll try again next week, and not cancelling plans or making plans for the next week, leaving the trough untouched and watching yourself flow through the same sequence of rational decisions and justifications you flow down every week till the next Saturday night.

The Dirt often moves without explicit intention, just like a river will change it's course gradually from one year to another. Sometimes other friends and family will have something change in their life and they can no longer make it to that weekly meeting that sustained your relationship with them. Sometimes you get fired from your job. The World shifts indifferently and sends you down paths that if you aren't careful, or aware, could end you in a lonely, constricted, powerless place. But you can move The Dirt intentionally. This is hard work because there is uncertainty and there are consequences you can't anticipate. And you have to face up to those consequences. This is an art and not a science, there will be tradeoffs that you won't notice unless you are looking for them, the outcome will be uncertain the first few times you try, but do it enough and you might start to get the sense of how to get that stream where you want it to go and how to mitigate the tradeoffs...

That said, just like manipulating a flow of water in real life, it is entirely possible to really fuck up someone else's existence if you aren't careful. "Oops, I just re-directed this river and washed away your house" is entirely possible. "I just invested in a passive revenue stream" and "you just got priced out of every living space within miles of where you've lived all your life" can be a lot closer than you might realize. And the same could be said of your own existence, "I'm going to start taking a drug that is socially stigmatized" can quickly become "I'm hiding this habit from friends and family and bailing the waters of shame" if you aren't keen on how shit works in the world. Or how about this one, "I've started attending Positive Outlook courses so I can learn how to manifest a better future" can quickly become "I've been sold a bill of goods, I'm out a lot of money, and I still don't know how to change my life." How about this one from my actual life. "I took a job that more aligns with the skills I went to school to obtain because It pays noticeably more than my last position." Led to "I now have hours of time at work with little to no work to occupy me, and I'm barred from the usual sources I turn to in order to stave off boredom. I have to adapt to this situation carefully or I could develop severe mental health issues or a financially ruinous impulse buying problem."

There is no magic here. Using these methods probably won't solve all your problems. You aren't likely to become amazingly rich or become a totally different social being getting laid every night in the blink of an eye. But it will probably get you out of a rut and give you experience. So yeah... If you aren't doing what you feel you should be doing, Start moving The Dirt, start somewhere small, move your alarm clock across the room so you can't punch snooze without getting out of bed, punch man 4 where it counts, see what tradeoffs emerge, rinse and repeat till you die cause once you stop moving The Dirt, you've embraced oblivion and are going to be pushed by the indifferent universe into a hole that is way harder to escape.

Personally, I've been looking at my stream and noticing how similar it looks to the streams of other people. And I've noticed that the streams of those other people, led them far too frequently to suicide, death by loneliness... So here I am, desperately trying to shovel an escape trench to a different end. Wish this greyface cabbage some luck, cause I'm gonna need it.
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Apple Talk / Re: Letters to James
« Last post by Lord Batwing Candlewaxxe on June 21, 2021, 11:29:35 pm »
If you should ever wish to open a branch office in my state, let it be known that I am available, for a surprisingly reasonable fee, and a willingness to overlook past... indiscretions.  I say my state, because there are few things that could ever induce me to move to AZ, and quite a few things that would prevent me from doing so -- in particular, my wife, who would acclimate to the heat in much the same way as an elegantly-crafted ice sculpture, only with greater rapidity, and dramatically increased volume of complaint.
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Apple Talk / Re: Letters to James
« Last post by Doktor Howl on June 21, 2021, 10:16:45 pm »
James,

It pains me to communicate more than one time in a month…but seeing as how you are in the big house, I believe that is my duty as a Holy Man™ and a man of science to write you while you sit in your metaphorical cell, crawling up the walls.  I have done a great many grotesque things in the last couple of years, so what’s one more, right?

I am surrounded, as I am sure you are, by low people who stare at you funny while you dance to Fontella Bass in your office.  If you can’t dance, why would you have an office in the first place?  If they keep bitching, I’m going to trade it up for Lizzie Hale.  Just imagine it; the mind reels in horror.  Nobody needs to see a 250 pound side of beef dancing to Shatter Me.  Motown is one thing, this is another.

But what to do about these assholes?  They have no soul.  They dislike their own odor.  They have never had fun in their entire lives, and they’re not about to start now.  In a proper world, they’d all be put in cargo containers where nothing will agitate them.  And then maybe dump them in the ocean off Greenland somewhere.

They are the new scum, which is like the old scum except maybe they color their hair and wear “Keep <insert name of city> Weird” shirts.  As if they knew weird.  Their weird is pink hair and dismal, low-grade BDSM, and maybe walking around Second Saturday gawking at the street artists.  But when you or I let our faces slip and show them actual weird, they all crowd to the other side of the bus and call the cops to shoot us stone dead for our own good.

These are the people who work for Mark Zuckerberg as well.  Never forget that.  The people that write bots are parochial and lazy, and context is not - strictly speaking - a thing.  They are the people that tell you there is no cow level, and wonder what you mean when you tell them that the cake is a lie.

I think that’s why the country is so messed up.  People are bored, and boredom breeds laziness.  And laziness makes you stupid, stupid makes you crazy, and crazy makes people vote for Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz, and the old bloated orange thing.

Look at this from a standpoint of SCIENCE, the root cause of failure is in fact boredom, and boredom is curable.  Now, many of the obvious solutions for boredom are illegal now, and are called “terrorism” and “mayhem,” even if you’re just trying to help.  Federal and state law enforcement can be so short-sited.  And I am not so interested as to gamble the rest of my life into a chain link enclosure in Cuba (or the arctic, ho ho, you didn’t hear that from ME.)

So we will have to go the long, patient route.  Be the thing they hate to see.  Be the left wing Big Gay Cowboy that they fear so much, braying spittle and laughter on their pinched, mean-spirited faces.  Have fun right in front of them, in broad daylight, in the middle of the street.   I have thought about this, and I can no longer abet their mindless boredom-inspired hate.  So I quit.

I resign from being white.  This doesn’t mean that I think I’m black or anything.  I am in fact transparent.  You can see my guts and everything.  I’m educational.

I resign from being straight.  My orientation hasn’t actually changed, I’m not claiming to be LGBT, it’s just that Gay folks tend to be more fun than straights, and it’s also my Get Out of Heaven Free Card.  I mean, spending an eternity with Christian conservatives isn’t the selling point they think it is.

I resign from those other serious bastards, the ones on the far left.  They aren’t having any fun, either.  I’m not out to become a right winger, but I am NOT an “ally”.  It’s just that the “woke” people and I just happen to have the same enemies.  Sort of like the USA and UK with the USSR in world war two.  Nobody liked the other guy, but it was better than the Nazis.  Hence my slogan, “The enemy of my enemy is NEXT.”

So our job, James, is to make people shit themselves.  They should only have vague memories of their interactions with us, which they associate with waking up tied to a chair with a bag over your head with an overpowering smell of lighter fluid…While some big tone deaf bastard sings “Rescue Me” accompanied by The James playing a xylophone made out of kittens.  With a taser.

Of course we would never DO such things, as they are illegal.  But it’s not illegal to make people FEEL like we have done those things.

This is surprisingly easy to do.  Just tell Andy in accounting “I can’t quit you” and do the LMFAO shimmy.  Poor Andy.  He can’t take it anymore.  He makes a keening noise, like a wounded dog.  His nose is bleeding.  He hauls down his pants and shits on the floor.  And that’s before the all-hands morale meeting, in which I am inexplicably expected to speak.  Hell, I am writing this letter now, because I need to warm up for said speech.  I am sure that morale will benefit from this because I’m The Boss.

That’s an awful thought.  Hamish is upper management these days.  I feel that there was some sort of error in the universe.  Like one day I was supposed to go straight, but instead made a hard left turn into an alley, and now I’m in the wrong universe.  I was supposed to be a millwright.  I was in fact trained as a millwright, but now I’m overseeing a lab full of cheerfully murderous technicians who, by their powers combined, are the largest moral sump in this state (outside of Phoenix, obviously).

We do morally-questionable science for bad people.  How the fuck am I supposed to improve on the sort of morale THAT generates?  We’re already there.  We are 20 Lex Luthors, with wild eyes and hate in our hearts.    Except for Jared in marketing.   Jared is what would happen if you took Tebow’s brain and put it in Stephen Hawking’s body and sent him off to fight polar bears.  Jared is our woobie.  He is in fact our natural prey.  Of course, he was doomed to begin with.  He is in marketing in business for which you need an NDA to even know what we sell.  Jared has no purpose; he exists solely to be the butt of our jokes.  He thinks we’re laughing with him.  I’d feel bad, if I had the capacity to care about what happens to Jared. 

All of this probably makes me a bad person.  I’m okay with that, because being a good citizen only works if you live in a good society.  We don’t.  So we can do anything we like.

WITNESS ME ALL SHINY AND CHROME!

-   DOK
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Apple Talk / Letters to James
« Last post by Doktor Howl on June 21, 2021, 10:16:07 pm »
A friend of mine is on a 30 day FB ban, so I have started writing him letters.

Dear James,

Remember when we all used to worry about Large Hardon Collider thingie being turned on and fucking up the timeline?  Well, if you look at the date they turned it on, it explains everything.  It ran from 2010 to 2013 before being shut down for “upgrades”.  Then it ran from 2015 to 2018, and then stopped for MORE upgrades.

And we all know what happened from 2015 until now, right?  Leaving the Bloated One aside, 2015 killed all of our heroes and 2016 showed us that the ones that didn’t die were all perverts & abusers.  Murder hornets.  Plague.  An insurrection AND the boat got stuck, and believe you me, the current economic disruption from that has just started.  And the entire time all of this has been going on, Trump has been weaponizing stupidity and using it against the American people.

Do your part, James:  Whup on a Swiss physicist today.

I mean, it’s not like you Ohioans are any strangers to violence, after all.  There’s footage James, of you at the Godless Mingle meet up, yanking the colostomy right bag off of that dude who wouldn’t shut up about his “Blasphemous Bible” and wearing it like a party hat.  Not to mention Shauna <last name redacted for PD> explaining contemporary feminism to po’buckers with a meat hammer.

It is just this sort of nonstop violence that is driving us all to cheap drugs.  Do better.

Speaking of which, I am now down a tech because one of my guys did the road rage thing the other day and shot a couple of people.  But nobody involved was from Ohio, which strikes me as odd, in that only one person died.  Mindless murder & mayhem here are generally taken far more seriously.

This is all very inconvenient, of course, because we still have DEFF ROBOTS to build, and now I have a bottleneck in carbon production.  How the fuck am I supposed to make murder machines when my employees keep murdering people?  It’s like they don’t understand the difference between retail and wholesale.

So, if you know anyone who likes 113-degree temperatures and doesn’t plan to kill anyone at a gas station because someone cut in line, send me their resume.  I mean, 113 sounds bad, and I am sure 120 sounds worse (that’s next month), but 120 is only half way from water freezing to water boiling, and I think that’s reasonable.

But this letter isn’t about savagery, James, it’s about SCIENCE.  And nobody does SCIENCE to people like we do, here in The Corporation™.  For example, did you know that aquatic drones are 170% as terrifying to people as airborne drones?  It’s a fact, proven by large poll sampling and maybe a little bit of empirical testing which may or may not have pushed the boundaries of our ethical rules.  Probably has something to do with hardwired crocodile fears from when we were all still living in Africa, way back when Mitch McConnell was young.

The best thing about aquatic drones is that weight isn’t really an issue, so you can throw everything AND the kitchen sink in that bastard.  In fact, the USA just finished building an aircraft carrier which cost $12.8 billion (not including aircraft, etc) and it was obsolete when they built it, and they knew it was obsolete when they built it.

Because, of course, that small fact has nothing to do with appropriations committees in the house and senate.  They will build you a piece of shit and you will like it, because our entire economy has been predicated on doing just that since 1947. 

Which seems sustainable as hell, right?

I am not going to go into specifics about what we’re doing, because frankly it’s Nerd Level 1000 stuff and would bore you silly.  Just rest assured that we are in fact on the case, we are in fact committed to success.  Because I have a dream, James.  I have a dream that sometime in the not-so-distant future, our creations will mindlessly fight each other long after we’re all gone.

And that doesn’t even figure on aliens.  And let me tell you, I fucking hate aliens.  You can’t trust aliens for the same reason you can’t trust gods, and that reason is they aren’t human and don’t have human motives.  So I have an interest in drones that can last a long, long time.

And on the day that alien archeologists show up and try to figure out what happened to the noble primates of Sol III, they will ask themselves many questions…But the only important question they will ask is “Did you just hear something by the hatch?”  The survivors will flee, and they will put Earth off limits as a horrible nightmare of a death trap, and I will finally get what I always wanted:  A little peace and quiet.

I don’t feel this is unreasonable.  I am connected to the internet, and goddamn are humans LOUD.  They never shut up.  Governor Abbott in Texas is now jabbering that he’ll build Trump’s wall across his state, and Marjorie Taylor Greene is stating that diseases can’t mutate because she doesn’t believe in evolution, and Ted Cruz is on about the LGBT crowd again because someone might choose to shit in “the wrong bathroom” and we’re still dumping plastic in the ocean.

What the hell am I SUPPOSED to do? 

Build DEFF BOTs, of course.  It is the way.  Let’s face facts:  You don’t like primates and I don’t like primates and with 7,685,000,000 of them running lose, you can feel free to thank us.

Because The Corporation™ has a solution.

Until next time,

Dok
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Bring and Brag / Re: poem fragments I don't know what else to do with
« Last post by The Wizard Joseph on June 21, 2021, 05:16:25 pm »
And so
In the face
Of any price
To be
Authentically
Who You
Truly are,
Just GRIN,
And pay it

Fully
And
Gladly
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Apple Talk / Re: How to eliminate yourself as a force for good.
« Last post by altered on June 20, 2021, 09:01:40 pm »
Pardon my ignorance, I tried googling IFF and I'm not sure I've got the right term. Does IFF stand for Identification Friend or Foe?

Yes.
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