*Note: I actually started a draft on this on Wednesday evening (BST) but I see Roger has beaten me to some of the points of this already in PD discussion. Well, fuck it, I've spent time on this and I'm going to write it. Sorry for the repetitive overlap. And get out of my head Roger. Its crowded enough as it is.
So, everyone is a Real Discordian? I'm a Discordian, that man over there is a Discordian, that jerk behind me chewing like a cow on grass in the library is a Discordian and so is george W bush, your most loved/hated idols, pop stars and thinkers?
Hell no.
What would be the point in designating anything as "Discordian" if everything is? Why would there be such a label it it encompassed eveything? We've got other words for that, like "humanity", or "universal" and other terms.
Lets put it another way. Would you say Adolf Hitler was Discordian, because of the discord, chaos and etc caused/initiated by him? Because if so, then his actions are the actions of a Discordian. And if this man (and I use that word looslely) was acting as a Discordian, then how can we, also identifying ourselves as part of that group, justify our own condemnation of ideals people like him hold? "If eveything is permitted, then nothing is disallowed" should be changed to "if everyone is permitted, then nothing is allowed".
Lets set something straight: alot of people are not Discordian. They may be agents of Chaos, Discord and change, but chances are they have never even heard of Eris, and in some cases probably couldnt spell it. Just because you cause discord, it doesnt entitle you to be Discordian.
Of course, this raises the question of what is Discordian. Difficult question. Many people pride it on being so open to interpretation and personal belief, so they dont want to question it. Its much easier to use the cop-out of "oh, but everyone..."
So I'm going to do it, since no-one else wants to open themselves to allegations of being a fascist who tells people what they can and cant be. Without definition, there is no group. Just some amorphous belief structure, more imagined to be shared than actually existing. Which opens up the real problem, of belief being hijacked and used to other, less altruistic ends.
A Discordian generally (and I'm talking about generalities here. If I leave out or misinterpret your personal ideas, too bad. I'm not here to to please you. Maybe if you had stepped up first, it wouldnt have been a problem) beliefs that the forces of the Universe are that of Discord and Order, which together are called Chaos. It is believed that these forces are value neutral, though tendencies towards one or another are unnatural and represent an inbalance in the way of how things are. This is especially seen in the obsession with order prevalent among political leaders, and that order is a "good" thing.
Also, it is believed that inclination towards seriousness in all things is another unnatural thing (I'm avoiding morality and value laden terms), linked to the obsession of order being good. Humour is often based on the unpredictable, the unusual and unexpected, and so is seen as a counter to the imbalance of order within the world.
Thats as far as I can be bothered to go, but that, to me, is what a real Discordian is. They subscribe to the philosophy, not just act like jerks and blame it all on some vague, not understood notion. of course, there may be errors with it. But this is why we have a forum. We can discuss, debate, adapt our ideas. That is, if anyone bothers to raise them at all.
Quote from: Cain*Note: I actually started a draft on this on Wednesday evening (BST) but I see Roger has beaten me to some of the points of this already in PD discussion. Well, fuck it, I've spent time on this and I'm going to write it. Sorry for the repetitive overlap. And get out of my head Roger. Its crowded enough as it is.
1. That wasn't me, it was Chef. He has a habit of squatting on other people's frontal lobes.
2. Discordianism = bullshit, just another religion. That is all.
Cain, sit down and shut up cause I'm gonna do some talking.
Your version of Discordianism is bullshit. My version of Discordianism is just as much bullshit. Get over it.
Everyone is a Discordian because Discordian = human. Some people don't wish to acknowledge the power of chaos in thier lives. Too bad for them, and for you. Some people don't need chaos in their lives, they understand what's going on in the backround. Good for them, I say. Bad for them, I say.
It is not that we are trying to be "open to interpretation," or any such shit like that (and that is a truely stinky kind of shit), it's not hubris, or coping out, it's that every man, woman, and child is a pope. A Pope, meaning that they are above the authority of the authorities. Even your (or mine) so-called authority as *ahem* Discordians.
If you're so hyped up on chaos then why don't you dissolve into the rest of the universe like so-much alka-seltzer in water? You're still traped in the "evils" of order. You use it and manipulate it constantly. Order is not bad, Chaos is not bad. It is not about good or bad, but recognizing both order and chaos as integral to your life can be a good thing.
There is no philosophy. Get over it. "The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao." Therefore, I am wrong, and you are wrong, and we're all wrong. And since we're all wrong, by consensus we must all be right :lol:
Ignore your "Discordian" side. It doesn't exist. Free yourself from your psychic suit of armor and enjoy the happy laughing chaos that may or may not be your life (and all the rest of that psychological, something is wrong with the world and I can fix it for you for 20$ a day bullshit). Who's to say?
Your Discordianism is just as much bullshit as mine is.
Quote from: Zurtok KhanYour version of Discordianism is bullshit. My version of Discordianism is just as much bullshit. Get over it.
Order is not bad, Chaos is not bad. It is not about good or bad, but recognizing both order and chaos as integral to your life can be a good thing.
There is no philosophy. Get over it. "The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao." Therefore, I am wrong, and you are wrong, and we're all wrong. And since we're all wrong, by consensus we must all be right :lol:
Ignore your "Discordian" side. It doesn't exist. Free yourself from your psychic suit of armor and enjoy the happy laughing chaos that may or may not be your life (and all the rest of that psychological, something is wrong with the world and I can fix it for you for 20$ a day bullshit). Who's to say?
Your Discordianism is just as much bullshit as mine is.
So, in other words, you are channeling Don Henley :shock:
Who the fuck is Don Henley and why do I want to be him?
Quote from: Zurtok KhanWho the fuck is Don Henley and why do I want to be him?
From the Eagles, I don't know why you would want to be like him, they did a song called
Get Over It.
booo
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
So, in other words, you are channeling Don Henley :shock:
Sorry Eldora, but that was
weak.
Quote from: Zurtok KhanCain, sit down and shut up cause I'm gonna do some talking.
Your version of Discordianism is bullshit. My version of Discordianism is just as much bullshit. Get over it.
Everyone is a Discordian because Discordian = human. Some people don't wish to acknowledge the power of chaos in thier lives. Too bad for them, and for you. Some people don't need chaos in their lives, they understand what's going on in the backround. Good for them, I say. Bad for them, I say.
It is not that we are trying to be "open to interpretation," or any such shit like that (and that is a truely stinky kind of shit), it's not hubris, or coping out, it's that every man, woman, and child is a pope. A Pope, meaning that they are above the authority of the authorities. Even your (or mine) so-called authority as *ahem* Discordians.
If you're so hyped up on chaos then why don't you dissolve into the rest of the universe like so-much alka-seltzer in water? You're still traped in the "evils" of order. You use it and manipulate it constantly. Order is not bad, Chaos is not bad. It is not about good or bad, but recognizing both order and chaos as integral to your life can be a good thing.
There is no philosophy. Get over it. "The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao." Therefore, I am wrong, and you are wrong, and we're all wrong. And since we're all wrong, by consensus we must all be right :lol:
Ignore your "Discordian" side. It doesn't exist. Free yourself from your psychic suit of armor and enjoy the happy laughing chaos that may or may not be your life (and all the rest of that psychological, something is wrong with the world and I can fix it for you for 20$ a day bullshit). Who's to say?
Your Discordianism is just as much bullshit as mine is.
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Quote from: Zurtok KhanCain, sit down and shut up cause I'm gonna do some talking.
Your version of Discordianism is bullshit. My version of Discordianism is just as much bullshit. Get over it.
Everyone is a Discordian because Discordian = human.
Jesus...that's stupid.
Yeah, Zurtok Khan is silly...
Not everyone is a Discordian, because discordians still follow 1 rule only - no rules. And not every person on earth does that, they like the way they grow up and somehow magically become more mature because they know if they act mature, they are mature, they completely forget how they were when they were just kids, all chaos and fun and discord and more fun!
5th law of the pentabarf = A Discordian is Prohibited of Believing what he reads.
One of the reasons Chaos Magickians are also discordians because "Nothing is True, Everything is permitted" based on this one same law of the pentabarf, it makes sense... Or not.
I didn't know all humans were Discordians.
I didn't even know all Chaos Magicians were Discordians.
Hell, I was even unaware of the fact that Discordians were even supposed to be undefined.
It matters little and means even less. So nevermind.
Anyone have any news from the Big Easy? That's what I want to know. I haven't heard anything good so far.
news from the big easy is.
BOOM HEADSHOT!
(http://tornasunder.sensibilium.com/hurricane.JPG)
Whoa!
Quote from: Merlin of ChaosYeah, Zurtok Khan is silly...
Not everyone is a Discordian, because discordians still follow 1 rule only - no rules. And not every person on earth does that, they like the way they grow up and somehow magically become more mature because they know if they act mature, they are mature, they completely forget how they were when they were just kids, all chaos and fun and discord and more fun!
5th law of the pentabarf = A Discordian is Prohibited of Believing what he reads.
One of the reasons Chaos Magickians are also discordians because "Nothing is True, Everything is permitted" based on this one same law of the pentabarf, it makes sense... Or not.
you spelled it wrong.
it's "Madjikque"
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"Madgjickquian"?
Quote from: Merlin of ChaosOne of the reasons Chaos Magickians are also discordians because "Nothing is True, Everything is permitted" based on this one same law of the pentabarf, it makes sense... Or not.
Oh, this guy is a real W1NNAR!11
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It's like Davin is back. :lol:
:lol:
Mah gick ee uhns.
That's kind of fun to say...
But yeah
(http://www.hankthedwarf.com/images/photos/garytheretard.jpg)
Definitely a winnar.
Hitler used Destructive Chaos.
a 'True Discordian' knows that Creative Chaos is what makes one Discordian.
Quote from: Cap'n FnordHitler used Destructive Chaos.
a 'True Discordian' knows that Creative Chaos is what makes one Discordian.
Fuck off.
TGRR,
Thinks you can take your "creative chaos" and shove it up your 4th point of contact, hippie.
Quote from: Cap'n FnordHitler used Destructive Chaos.
a 'True Discordian' knows that Creative Chaos is what makes one Discordian.
Uh Oh. You better run now. YOu said the word "True Discordian"
The trolls will eat you alive while telling you all the while how much Discordians suck, though they like being here among us.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Cap'n FnordHitler used Destructive Chaos.
a 'True Discordian' knows that Creative Chaos is what makes one Discordian.
Uh Oh. You better run now. YOu said the word "True Discordian"
The trolls will eat you alive while telling you all the while how much Discordians suck, though they like being here among us.
....while Hugh sits furiously lashing strawmen together. :lol:
What a retard.
Oh, and since when are you a Discordian, again?
When was I not?
Oh great one who takes pride in running people (newbie and oldie) off the board.
Hugh, are you Discordian, Erisian or other, I forget :?
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyHugh, are you Discordian, Erisian or other, I forget :?
That is correct.
A discordian is also someone who considers himself a discordian.
Don't listen to me though, we all know the 5th law of the pentabarf :D
What's all this crap?
Erisians and Discordians are the same.
Or did that change?
When did it change, if so?
Why did you keep me out of the loop?
You're all so unbelievably full of shit.
I love you.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyHugh, are you Discordian, Erisian or other, I forget :?
That is correct.
That explains that then, sort of :shock: :? :lol: :wink: :? :shock: :twisted:
Quote from: Burning TreesWhat's all this crap?
Erisians and Discordians are the same.
Or did that change?
When did it change, if so?
Why did you keep me out of the loop?
Wow, you have
so not been paying attention.
Quote from: Merlin of ChaosA discordian is also someone who considers himself a discordian.
Don't listen to me though, we all know the 5th law of the pentabarf :D
we also know that youyr pentabarf is utter crap, just like the rest of your Discordian dogma.
oh, and don't worry. listening to you is NOT on the agenda.
8)
If you survive, please come again. :lol: :roll:
we like to weed out the weaker members of the herd sooner rather than later.
8)
ALL DISCORDIANISM IS FALSE BECAUSE ERIS IS A WICKED DEMON, A PUTRID WHORE WHO SEDUCES YOU TO THE UGLY ROTTING HEART OF SATAN BY PUTTING THE FACE OF A REDHEADED CARTOON CHARACTER ON IT, SHE WILL STRADDLE YOU AND DECAY YOUR DICK WITH HER PUTRID VAGINA
WORSHIPPING WOMEN IS WRONG BECAUSE WOMEN SHOULD BE WORSHIPPING YOU AND MAKING YOUR FUCKING DINNER
THE HEIARCHY IS JESUS > PRESIDENT > BOSS > HUSBAND > WIFE > CHILDREN > GAYS AND COLOREDS
please note the I put true discordian in quotes. Denoting internet sarcasm, because as we all know Eris is dead, and if she isn't she's not telling us.
Quote from: Merlin of ChaosA discordian is also someone who considers himself a discordian.
Don't listen to me though, we all know the 5th law of the pentabarf :D
Will no one rid me of this turbulent fuquad?
[/Henry]
Quote from: Merlin of ChaosA discordian is also someone who considers himself a discordian.
Don't listen to me though, we all know the 5th law of the pentabarf :D
Keep it up kiddo :wink:
it's good to see you offering yourself such encouragement.
perhaps the rest of us should just leave and you can populate this board entirely with your uber-ghey alternate accounts?
8)
It's official, I have surpassed horab, I am now everyone :lol:
no, you're just everybody that sucks at life.
8)
I have a screeching case of teh ghey.
LMNO FTW
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyIt's official, I have surpassed horab, I am now everyone :lol:
No, just the stupid ones.
Wow, I wish I had never even fucking bothered trying some critical thinking here. I'm going to dumb this down, in very simple, mostly single or sometimed double syllable words.
Not Eveything = Discordian
Everything = Chaos
Agent of Chaos does not = Discordian
Discordian = set of beliefs about how the world works.
Fuck this shit.
dude, they're not worth your effort.
stop trying to smarten them up and just start trolling the fuck out of them.
or, do what I'm likely to do here soon and ignore them alltogether in favor of trolling hentai forums and fundie sites.
8)
Fundie sites sound good. I havent done some of those for ages.
Quote from: East Coast Hustledude, they're not worth your effort.
stop trying to smarten them up and just start trolling the fuck out of them.
or, do what I'm likely to do here soon and ignore them alltogether in favor of trolling hentai forums and fundie sites.
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but you're still here..
if you have that much cotnempt for us, um er let me break it down. my uncle bill(not the dead one, the ficitional one) has an incredible contempt for the mentally ill. everyime he finds out osmeone is mentally ill he wants to punch them in the neck and then break their spine. he's mildly neurotic about it with jerky movements and the whole bit. anyways metallyu ill person comes near him, he's got to run, run away screamign like a raving lunatic.
also there's not much difference between turd and therse other dumbasses. the main differences is that difference of opinion will turn into a shouting match an dif you don't beleive what turd beleives you = moran.
he may be making a temprorary exception however, it may be becaus esome of thse dumbassses want to talk about it and turd doesn't believe in it and so must remind them continuously of his lack of beleif in what they are discussing.
also i've posted that myslef, alond with a few other people. if you're tired of them not getting it, have you really tried considering thse folks who aren't gettign it are new to the forum, or ar e turd, eldora, roger? are you sure the role of spritual emissary is a right fit? because it is often trying tobrign the word to those who would not listen, a struggle to open the eyes of those who would not see. unless you're onje of htose let's blow shit up spiritual leaders in which case i apologize for the assumption.
Quote from: Horab Fibslagerblah blah blah...unless you're onje of htose let's blow shit up spiritual leaders in which case i apologize for the assumption.
this is the correct intifada.
also, there are still a handful of people here who I like enough and whose ideas and opinions I have enough respect for to make it worth my time to drop by once or twice a day still.
also, it's just fun to be an asshole to the people here that I think are assholes.
8)
i kept messing you and scribe up in that post. forgive me for i am in intense stomach pain.
well, I told you that eating all those 9-volt batteries was a bad way to impress that cocktail waitress.
8)
it's a bad habit that has brought me great success in the pursuit of carnal knowledge.
Quote from: Horab Fibslageri kept messing you and scribe up in that post. forgive me for i am in intense stomach pain.
Man, you have been having this trouble ever since you downed a shot of tobbasco :shock: I mean, I realise you have free health care, but still, there are limits to the human digestive system :lol:
Quote from: CainWow, I wish I had never even fucking bothered trying some critical thinking here. I'm going to dumb this down, in very simple, mostly single or sometimed double syllable words.
Not Eveything = Discordian
Everything = Chaos
Agent of Chaos does not = Discordian
Discordian = set of beliefs about how the world works.
This is the correct answer.
Quote from: Burning TreesWhat's all this crap?
Erisians and Discordians are the same.
Or did that change?
When did it change, if so?
Why did you keep me out of the loop?
really fellas "We Discordians must stick apart." So we all hate each other deal.....K?
Quote from: Cap'n please note the I put true discordian in quotes. Denoting internet sarcasm, because as we all know Eris is dead, and if she isn't she's not telling us.
Eris is dead and her corpse was eaten by her 5 cats.
Quote from: Merlin of Chaos
Not everyone is a Discordian, because discordians still follow 1 rule only - no rules.
Says who?!?
It is my understanding that we discordians follow rules if we
choose to.We are also free not to follow any,if we [choose[/b] to.But it must be understood that we are
not exempt from any consequences of our choices.For example,you can choose to disobey the rules of safe driving if you wish.But for Eris sake,don't bitch if you end up in a fiery wreck.It is against the rules of society to curse out a large group of angry cops.Your free to disregard that rule,but don't bitch if you get a night stick upside your head and a lengthy stay in jail.
Or how about this one.
Many of you on this board disregard the rules of polite conversation when debating each other,then bitch like little cunts when the person you just dissed does the same to you.
Dude, you're wasting you're time arguing with MOC (Unless, of course, you're doing it for your own entertainment).
Quote from: VerthaineQuote from: Merlin of Chaos
Not everyone is a Discordian, because discordians still follow 1 rule only - no rules.
Says who?!?
It is my understanding that we discordians follow rules if we choose to.We are also free not to follow any,if we [choose[/b] to.But it must be understood that we are not exempt from any consequences of our choices.For example,you can choose to disobey the rules of safe driving if you wish.But for Eris sake,don't bitch if you end up in a fiery wreck.It is against the rules of society to curse out a large group of angry cops.Your free to disregard that rule,but don't bitch if you get a night stick upside your head and a lengthy stay in jail.
Or how about this one.
Many of you on this board disregard the rules of polite conversation when debating each other,then bitch like little cunts when the person you just dissed does the same to you.
hey i can totally agree with you for once.
personal responsibility.
it all up to
youit
Quote from: ..y.E.R.M.O.M.really fellas "We Discordians must stick apart." So we all hate each other deal.....K?
Nah, we all just hate you. And MOC.
On the "Pat Robertson says" thread I wrote:(in replay to ECH)
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=227791&highlight=#227791
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Quote from: East Coast Hustlenot have occured to you, but if Chavez cuts off the USA from Venezuela's oil supply, we'll all be fighting in the streets for food not long after. That may or may not be what I want, but is it really what you want?
Quote from: Verthaine
No problem for me.I've been training for it all my life.I know how to hunt,how to fish,and how to survive........ Discordians should be able to survive any type of strife,and if you can't,maybe you aren't the discordians you think you are.
Little did I know that a week later,I had to put my money where my mouth was.And you know what? I did.I went through a F5 Hurricane(and probably may have to deal with another one coming ), and I survived just nicely.I managed to get plenty of food,plenty of water,plenty of booze,didn't get hurt,didn't get shot,didn't get thrown in jail,and got the hell out when I needed to.And I thank Eris for giving me the ability and the wisdom to do all that.
We are all "Real" and "True"discordians because we must all deal with chaos,confusion,and strife that comes with life.It is how well you deal with it that determines what type of discordian you truly are.And there are really only two types of discordians anyway.Living ones,and Dead ones.Those who can deal with the chaos,confusion and strife and survive and those who can't.Those that talk the talk,and those of us who walk the walk.
And when my time comes,and I can no longer deal with it,thats ok,because it was meant to be,and nothing lasts forever.I will walk into The Arms of Eris with my head held high and the love of her in my heart.
I'm a fake discordian.
Also, I contribute virtually nothing to the forums.
i eventually mess everything up
this forum will disintegrate within the year
i am just not sure if i do these things accidentally on purpose
or on purpose
by accident
LHX is that guy from "Running Down" by M John Harrison?
:shock:
He was scary. He made a mountain fall down just by hanging around too long. Had an entropy curse or something.
Maybe fnordy and LHX are like The Dirty Pair. Well, except the forum should already have been destroyed by now, I think. :D
Quote from: LHX
this forum will disintegrate within the year
Bet you five bucks it won't.
Quote from: LHXi eventually mess everything up
this forum will disintegrate within the year
i am just not sure if i do these things accidentally on purpose
or on purpose
by accident
They said the same thing about the whole "concept" of discordianism when Hill and Thornley first came up with it.That was almost 50 years ago.
This forum may evolve,it may change,but it won't disintergrate unless the entire internet breaks down.
If there are people here that contribute nothing to this forum,them at least make the attempt to
learn.
There are many in this forum who have many great things to contribute.TGRR,Sssbela,St.Hugh,Horab,myself,etc, all have very thought provoking things to say.You may not agree with what is said,but at least let it get you thinking.I learn many things from this forum.
I find it sad that many here think they know everything.
I knew you'd say that.
Verthaine, sometimes it feels like taking retards to the zoo, but only I have forgotten who the tards and the chaperones are. So my only response is to feed them all anyway.
Sometimes I think one way about Discordianism other times it's another way. It is amazing that some people get so caught up in the ideas.
Surviving strife is neato, if it can be done. Much of my younger life was that way. I only mention that to say that I am always ready for it now. It's a habit. Perhaps that's why I like Eris.
I wonder what some of the rest of the posters here think about why they started looking into Discordianism in the first place. Did they all have strife in their lives, or were they all pretty much normal Mid classers on drugs?
Me? I suppose...
Middle-class kid, hanging with the DC/Baltimore punks, dropping out of college...
Not exactly "strife", but a change of scenery from boarding school, to be sure.
strife and drugs are the only ways
unless somebody is really into intense study
baaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
the funniest thing about discordia for me was when i accidentally stumbled on to a discordian website 4 or 5 years ago and had no fucking idea what i was looking at
until a couple of years later
i was looking for discordianism and wound up on the same website
bottom line is that i got a feeling that we all ended up here looking for the idea that would bring to an end all the bullshit debates / conflicts we had gotten into throughout 'life'
this shit is like the only possible inner peace for somebody tainted by one-up-manship
it is like becoming so intelligent that you turn into a retard
bump
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 23, 2005, 03:27:07 PM
Quote from: LHX
this forum will disintegrate within the year
Bet you five bucks it won't.
Did you ever get your fiver, since it's over 6 years later?