Rah rah, America(TM) Fuck Yeah! They're DOING something about it. One school. Wahoo. :|
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/10/mississippi-county-accused-of-running-school-to-prison-pipeline/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=fe1c634403-8_11_128_11_2012&utm_medium=email
Bloody hell, more "kids for cash" bullshit.
JFC. :vom:
It's got to start somewhere.
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 12, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
I hope so. I really, really hope so.
We need to dismantle the whole prison and school system and start over.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
It's better than it was...Not so long ago, this would have been ignored. Not long before that, it would have been considered right & proper.
Things have a long, long way to go, but it seems to be wheezing its way in the right direction.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
It's better than it was...Not so long ago, this would have been ignored. Not long before that, it would have been considered right & proper.
Things have a long, long way to go, but it seems to be wheezing its way in the right direction.
It is better than it was, but I'm always astounded by the number of people who honestly think that race-based discrimination just isn't an issue anymore.
I don't think they look at the numbers. Or add two and two if they do.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 12, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
I hope so. I really, really hope so.
We need to dismantle the whole prison and school system and start over.
Amen.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 12, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
I don't think they look at the numbers. Or add two and two if they do.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 12, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
I hope so. I really, really hope so.
We need to dismantle the whole prison and school system and start over.
Amen.
Isn't the prison system based on some archaic English model anyway? Seems like I remember reading that somewhere (Vine Deloria Jr., maybe?) I'm surprised we don't put peoples' heads on spikes for public display here. :x
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
It's better than it was...Not so long ago, this would have been ignored. Not long before that, it would have been considered right & proper.
Things have a long, long way to go, but it seems to be wheezing its way in the right direction.
It is better than it was, but I'm always astounded by the number of people who honestly think that race-based discrimination just isn't an issue anymore.
Yes, that's because Americans have difficulty with the idea that "better" is different than "FIXED".
It occurs to me that damn near everything Americans do is based on false dichotomies.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
It's better than it was...Not so long ago, this would have been ignored. Not long before that, it would have been considered right & proper.
Things have a long, long way to go, but it seems to be wheezing its way in the right direction.
It is better than it was, but I'm always astounded by the number of people who honestly think that race-based discrimination just isn't an issue anymore.
Yes, that's because Americans have difficulty with the idea that "better" is different than "FIXED".
It occurs to me that damn near everything Americans do is based on false dichotomies.
MIND = BLOWN
Yeah.
I keep misreading the thread title as "Ritalin Purge: school to prison pipeline" and the thing is, it still makes perfect sense.
In other news, UK politicians mocked for suggesting prisoners should work call centre style jobs, for 40 hours a week.
"To make them more employable"
Prison increasingly seems an inevitability for many, rather than a punishment for few.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
It's better than it was...Not so long ago, this would have been ignored. Not long before that, it would have been considered right & proper.
Things have a long, long way to go, but it seems to be wheezing its way in the right direction.
It is better than it was, but I'm always astounded by the number of people who honestly think that race-based discrimination just isn't an issue anymore.
Yes, that's because Americans have difficulty with the idea that "better" is different than "FIXED".
It occurs to me that damn near everything Americans do is based on false dichotomies.
This is an excellent observation.
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 12, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
In other news, UK politicians mocked for suggesting prisoners should work call centre style jobs, for 40 hours a week.
"To make them more employable"
Prison increasingly seems an inevitability for many, rather than a punishment for few.
Finally, the dystopian future I was promised!
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 12, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
In other news, UK politicians mocked for suggesting prisoners should work call centre style jobs, for 40 hours a week.
"To make them more employable"
Prison increasingly seems an inevitability for many, rather than a punishment for few.
Finally, the dystopian future I was promised!
:lulz:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 12, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 12, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
I don't think they look at the numbers. Or add two and two if they do.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 12, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
I hope so. I really, really hope so.
We need to dismantle the whole prison and school system and start over.
Amen.
Isn't the prison system based on some archaic English model anyway? Seems like I remember reading that somewhere (Vine Deloria Jr., maybe?) I'm surprised we don't put peoples' heads on spikes for public display here. :x
If I remember correctly (and I may not; its been a while and prison reform is not my historical interest) a lot of our prison shit is something we pioneered when state governments started getting involved with prisons in the North (I recall reading about a German who came over to tour our prison system and was quite impressed with it, back before we figured out solitary confinement makes monkeys go crazy). Prior to that, it was mostly local or private. When penal slavery was banned, IIRC, the South adopted a lot of Northern practices.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 12, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 12, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
I don't think they look at the numbers. Or add two and two if they do.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 12, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
I hope so. I really, really hope so.
We need to dismantle the whole prison and school system and start over.
Amen.
Isn't the prison system based on some archaic English model anyway? Seems like I remember reading that somewhere (Vine Deloria Jr., maybe?) I'm surprised we don't put peoples' heads on spikes for public display here. :x
Rather French? Something to do with criminalizing people that didnt produce enough?
They used to display heads on London Bridge.
Hey, that's in AZ now!
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 13, 2012, 12:52:39 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 12, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 12, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
I don't think they look at the numbers. Or add two and two if they do.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 12, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
This is so sad, but now that there's been one, there might start up a rash of them all over the country.
I hope so. I really, really hope so.
We need to dismantle the whole prison and school system and start over.
Amen.
Isn't the prison system based on some archaic English model anyway? Seems like I remember reading that somewhere (Vine Deloria Jr., maybe?) I'm surprised we don't put peoples' heads on spikes for public display here. :x
If I remember correctly (and I may not; its been a while and prison reform is not my historical interest) a lot of our prison shit is something we pioneered when state governments started getting involved with prisons in the North (I recall reading about a German who came over to tour our prison system and was quite impressed with it, back before we figured out solitary confinement makes monkeys go crazy). Prior to that, it was mostly local or private. When penal slavery was banned, IIRC, the South adopted a lot of Northern practices.
That sounds about right, thanks. Must have been the court system instead.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 02:54:45 AM
They used to display heads on London Bridge.
Hey, that's in AZ now!
GIVE
US
YOUR
STUFF
http://jthomasniu.org/PDF/prisonhistory112.pdf (http://jthomasniu.org/PDF/prisonhistory112.pdf)
The above is a good paper on the history of the US prison system. Couple points of interest:
1. Previously the criminal system used two levels of punishment: the prison where you awaited trial, and the workhouse, where you worked off your punishment (assuming they didn't kill you for it).
2. The Quakers and other religious people started changing the penal codes in the US to decrease the capital crimes (ie what you got the death penalty for) and began integrating the prison concept into a post court punishment.
A popular belief at the time was that criminal behavior was because the person had separated from God, so leaving them in solitary for awhile would give them time to reconnect with Him. Derp. (Got that from a History channel documentary, so take it as you will). However, mental problems stemming from Solitary were documented back in the 1800's.
3.
:lulz: documentary.
Your post was otherwise interesting and full of good stuff.
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
Some of both, I'm sure. Though getting pissed often just means dropping out of society and getting high a lot because, you know, the man hates it when you do that.
Quote from: Emo Howard on August 13, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
Some of both, I'm sure. Though getting pissed often just means dropping out of society and getting high a lot because, you know, the man hates it when you do that.
Yeah. That's pretty much what happened in the 70's. Burn, baby, burn, disco inferno... :horrormirth:
Quote from: Emo Howard on August 13, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
Some of both, I'm sure. Though getting pissed often just means dropping out of society and getting high a lot because, you know, the man hates it when you do that.
Hey, it worked for Hasan-i-Sabbah.
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 12, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
In other news, UK politicians mocked for suggesting prisoners should work call centre style jobs, for 40 hours a week.
"To make them more employable"
Prison increasingly seems an inevitability for many, rather than a punishment for few.
That's how it was sold and is continuing to be sold here:
Quote
The breaded chicken patty your child bites into at school may have been made by a worker earning twenty cents an hour, not in a faraway country, but by a member of an invisible American workforce: prisoners. At the Union Correctional Facility, a maximum security prison in Florida, inmates from a nearby lower-security prison manufacture tons of processed beef, chicken and pork for Prison Rehabilitative Industries and Diversified Enterprises (PRIDE), a privately held non-profit corporation that operates the state's forty-one work programs. In addition to processed food, PRIDE's website reveals an array of products for sale through contracts with private companies, from eyeglasses to office furniture, to be shipped from a distribution center in Florida to businesses across the US. PRIDE boasts that its work programs are "designed to provide vocational training, to improve prison security, to reduce the cost of state government, and to promote the rehabilitation of the state inmates."
http://www.thenation.com/article/162478/hidden-history-alec-and-prison-labor#
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on August 13, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
Some of both, I'm sure. Though getting pissed often just means dropping out of society and getting high a lot because, you know, the man hates it when you do that.
Hey, it worked for Hasan-i-Sabbah.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Net on August 14, 2012, 02:29:36 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 12, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
In other news, UK politicians mocked for suggesting prisoners should work call centre style jobs, for 40 hours a week.
"To make them more employable"
Prison increasingly seems an inevitability for many, rather than a punishment for few.
That's how it was sold and is continuing to be sold here:
Quote
The breaded chicken patty your child bites into at school may have been made by a worker earning twenty cents an hour, not in a faraway country, but by a member of an invisible American workforce: prisoners. At the Union Correctional Facility, a maximum security prison in Florida, inmates from a nearby lower-security prison manufacture tons of processed beef, chicken and pork for Prison Rehabilitative Industries and Diversified Enterprises (PRIDE), a privately held non-profit corporation that operates the state's forty-one work programs. In addition to processed food, PRIDE's website reveals an array of products for sale through contracts with private companies, from eyeglasses to office furniture, to be shipped from a distribution center in Florida to businesses across the US. PRIDE boasts that its work programs are "designed to provide vocational training, to improve prison security, to reduce the cost of state government, and to promote the rehabilitation of the state inmates."
http://www.thenation.com/article/162478/hidden-history-alec-and-prison-labor#
I'm sure no one in the business is thinking how much more profitable docile, non-violent
inmates criminals workers equipment is than the kind that requires close (expensive) supervision.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
On mayday I got split off from the main group of demonstrators and started walking with these ladies who were on a side mission. Not sure where they were headed but they were carrying signs that called out a few of the major players in the for-profit prison system. Their signs were huge and their gripe was obvious to anybody who gave half a shit to look..other than the couple of honks they got from people who like to honk approval from demonstrators the only reaction to them that I saw was a couple few "in the know" youngsters who took the time to point out the Starbucks cups they were holding made them hypocrites...you know, because drinking corporate coffee disqualifies anything you have to say about incarcerating people to turn a quick buck.
I can't say that I'm optimistic.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on August 14, 2012, 05:38:17 PM
the only reaction to them that I saw was a couple few "in the know" youngsters who took the time to point out the Starbucks cups they were holding made them hypocrites...you know, because drinking corporate coffee disqualifies anything you have to say about incarcerating people to turn a quick buck.
Are they aware that every bean they can get is "corporate"? :lulz:
Purists are funny people.
Are they aware that's all there is? Because that makes purists even funnier.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote"Furthermore," it continues, "children on probation are routinely arrested and incarcerated for allegedly violating their probation by committing minor school infractions, such as dress code violations, which result in suspensions. The department's investigation showed that students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities."
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
YEAH BUT RACISM AND EQUAL RIGHTS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ANYMORE
LOLOLOLOLOL :horrormirth:
It's better than it was...Not so long ago, this would have been ignored. Not long before that, it would have been considered right & proper.
Things have a long, long way to go, but it seems to be wheezing its way in the right direction.
It is better than it was, but I'm always astounded by the number of people who honestly think that race-based discrimination just isn't an issue anymore.
Yes, that's because Americans have difficulty with the idea that "better" is different than "FIXED".
It occurs to me that damn near everything Americans do is based on false dichotomies.
This very thing once really tickled my noggin. It seems to be more than a base of false dichotomies at work, take a look at the most basic systems of regulation and measurement that are employed in America. For instance, America is the only modern country not using the metric system, we drive on opposite sides of the road compared to all other modern nations, our schools are entirely focused on a sort of factory floor process designed to process children at a faster and faster rate and, well there are more examples of these oddities but there's something of occult significance to it.
I think that each one of these little oddities is a microcosm of the macrocosmic agenda so its grand design could be intuited from a slivery section of the madness.
Driving with the driver on the left side puts the stress of oncoming traffic on the right side of the brain (due to the crisscrossing right hemisphere rules the left side of the body, left hemisphere rules the right side). Turning left is a more risky maneuver always and the subconscious mind knows this because it is turning into potentially oncoming traffic (turning left on a 2 way street involves crossing into the lane for oncoming traffic).
There's something to this shit, something involving the two hemispheres of the brain and reorientation of the natural 'spin' of life. I believe the refusal of the metric system by and large is part of it. Hell, probably everything is part of it.
Thoughts?
:fnord:
QuoteFor instance, America is the only modern country not using the metric system, we drive on opposite sides of the road compared to all other modern nations, our schools are entirely focused on a sort of factory floor process designed to process children at a faster and faster rate
Uh, you may have heard of a country called the
United Kingdom?
Where's that? :lulz:
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on August 14, 2012, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Prison is the only place these youngsters are going to learn valuable life skills about how the world really works, especially in Mississippi. I say we applaud this forward thinking from government.
I'm waiting to see if this generation is going to get pissed, or "get with the program".
On mayday I got split off from the main group of demonstrators and started walking with these ladies who were on a side mission. Not sure where they were headed but they were carrying signs that called out a few of the major players in the for-profit prison system. Their signs were huge and their gripe was obvious to anybody who gave half a shit to look..other than the couple of honks they got from people who like to honk approval from demonstrators the only reaction to them that I saw was a couple few "in the know" youngsters who took the time to point out the Starbucks cups they were holding made them hypocrites...you know, because drinking corporate coffee disqualifies anything you have to say about incarcerating people to turn a quick buck.
I can't say that I'm optimistic.
:horrormirth:
Also, while the corporate economy fosters evil, that doesn't mean that all corporations are evil.
Man, people need to learn about shades of gray.
Quote from: Cain on August 15, 2012, 01:04:12 AM
QuoteFor instance, America is the only modern country not using the metric system, we drive on opposite sides of the road compared to all other modern nations, our schools are entirely focused on a sort of factory floor process designed to process children at a faster and faster rate
Uh, you may have heard of a country called the United Kingdom?
THEY DO ALL THAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME :argh!:
In the UK, they drive on the left, despite the majority of the world driving on the right.
In theory, metrification started in the 1960s, in practice, children are still taught imperial units at school, road signs are in miles and most volumes are in imperial units as well.
Schooling in the UK is increasingly a war between bored students, bored teachers, bored OFSTED officials and maniacally insane MPs who want to teach the most boring and useless subjects (such as Latin) all day, every day, as a means to "instill discipline" among schoolchildren. In areas where Latin is unpopular, maths is preferred. Maths, of course, is much more useful, but not to the point where it should be allowed to dominate a good 40% of all available teaching time.
There seems to be a trend in schools teaching worthless subjects rather than critical thinking, life skills or how to be an empathic citizen that aims for social equality.
Gee, it seems that students are being taught how to be good little drones that follow orders for corporate interests.
NAH, i must be getting the crazies, for fucking real.
In UK we have a two tier education system. Comprehensive school is a factory that churns out proles. Then there's the ironically titled Public school which costs a lot of money and teaches societies chosen ones, how to best go about lording it over the unwashed masses. I don't know for sure but I have a sneaky suspicion that the "fact" that we are now a classless society is only taught in comprehensive schools.
A lot of our products are metric, people just ignore it. A liter of hootch is still called a "fifth" by most people.
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 15, 2012, 01:30:31 AM
Man, people need to learn about shades of gray.
There are 50 of them. And it means if you agree to be the sex-slave of a corporate billionaire, you will be treated very well, barring acts of sadism and buttplugs.
:x Those books, man.
It also gives me a reason to link to this http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/07/fifty-shades-of-capitalism-pain-and-bondage-in-the-american-workplace.html
QuoteQuivering with trepidation, Anastasia signs a contract to become Christian's submissive sex partner. Reeled in by his fantastic wealth, panty-sopping charm, and less-than-convincing promise that the exchange will be to her ultimate benefit, she surrenders herself to his arbitrary rules on what to eat, what to wear, and above all, how to please him sexually. Which frequently involves getting handcuffed and spanked. "Discipline," as Christian likes to say.
Quoting industrial tycoon Andrew Carnegie, Christian justifies his proclivities like an acolyte of Randian Superman ideology: "A man who acquires the ability to take possession of his own mind may take possession of anything else to which he is justly entitled." (Rand's worship of the Superman obliged to nothing but his intellect is well-known and imbued with dark passions; she once expressed her admiration for a child murderer's credo, "What is good for me is right," as "the best and strongest expression of a real man's psychology I have heard" in a 1928 diary.)
Christian Grey, our kinky CEO, started his literary life as a vampire when Erika Leonard, the woman behind the pseudonym "E.L. James," published the first version of her novel episodically on a Twilight fan site, basing the story on the relationship between Stephenie Meyers' love couple Edward Cullen and Bella Swan. It was later reworked and released in its current form. Gone was Edward the vampire, replaced by Christian the corporate slave-master.
Drunk on the intoxicants of wealth and power, Fifty Shades of Grey hints at a sinister cultural shift that is unfolding in its pages before our eyes. The innocent Anastasias will no longer merely have their lifeblood slowly drained by capitalist predators. They're going to be whipped, humiliated and forced to wear a butt-plug. The vampire in the night has given way to the dominating overlord of a hierarchical, sadomasochistic world in which everybody without money is a helpless submissive.
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
QuoteAmericans are supposed to be people who love freedom above everything else. But where is the citizen less free than in the typical workplace? Workers are denied bathroom breaks. They cannot leave to care for a sick child. Downtime and vacations are a joke. Some – just ask who picked your tomatoes – have been reduced to slave-like conditions. In the current climate of more than three years of unemployment over 8 percent, the longest stretch since the Great Depression, the worker has little choice but to submit. And pretend to like it.
As Corey Robin, who no doubt inspired the above article notes:
QuoteOn pain of being fired, workers in most parts of the United States can be commanded to pee or forbidden to pee. They can be watched on camera by their boss while they pee. They can be forbidden to wear what they want, say what they want (and at what decibel), and associate with whom they want. They can be punished for doing or not doing any of these things—punished legally or illegally (as many as 1 in 17 workers who try to join a union is illegally fired or suspended). But what's remarkable is just how many of these punishments are legal, and even when they're illegal, how toothless the law can be. Outside the usual protections (against race and gender discrimination, for example), employees can be fired for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reason at all. They can be fired for donating a kidney to their boss (fired by the same boss, that is), refusing to have their person and effects searched, calling the boss a "cheapskate" in a personal letter, and more. They have few rights on the job—certainly none of the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Amendment liberties that constitute the bare minimum of a free society; thus, no free speech or assembly, no due process, no right to a fair hearing before a panel of their peers—and what rights they do have employers will fight tooth and nail to make sure aren't made known to them or will simply require them to waive as a condition of employment. Outside the prison or the military—which actually provide, at least on paper, some guarantee of due process—it's difficult to conceive of a less free institution for adults than the average workplace.
In addition to abridging freedoms on the job, employers abridge their employees' freedoms off the job. Employers invade employees' privacy, demanding that they hand over passwords to their Facebook accounts, and fire them for resisting such invasions. Employers secretly film their employees at home. Workers are fired for supporting the wrong political candidates ("work for John Kerry or work for me"), failing to donate to employer-approved candidates, challenging government officials, writing critiques of religion on their personal blogs (IBM instructs employees to "show proper consideration...for topics that may be considered objectionable or inflammatory—such as politics and religion"), carrying on extramarital affairs, participating in group sex at home, cross-dressing, and more. Workers are punished for smoking or drinking in the privacy of their own homes. (How many nanny states have tried that?) They can be fired for merely thinking about having an abortion, for reporting information that might have averted the Challenger disaster, for being raped by an estranged husband. Again, this is all legal in many states, and in the states where it is illegal, the laws are often weak.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 16, 2012, 01:20:51 PM
There seems to be a trend in schools teaching worthless subjects rather than critical thinking, life skills or how to be an empathic citizen that aims for social equality.
Gee, it seems that students are being taught how to be good little drones that follow orders for corporate interests.
NAH, i must be getting the crazies, for fucking real.
Well, the problem is, are schools meant to educate a student, or are they meant to prepare them for a life of work? Most people say "both", but in practice it ends up being more the latter, and since the majority of work nowadays is corporate in nature....
In the UK, up until the age of 16, certain subjects are mandatory, and the school system is largely set up to teach these subjects. Only from the start of AS levels onwards does the student get a say in their own education, picking subjects they want to study in order to get into University in order to study what they want.
However, of course, even at University there is a level of corporate influence. While traditional subjects like Classics, Philosophy and Literature are still taught, subjects are increasingly reliant on outside funding for expensive research, such as scientific research or large population-based studies. Often there will also be internship-based relationships between the University in question and those companies providing outside funding - internships which frequently pay nothing or next to nothing, in return for "work experience", it should be noted.
As the government has further slashed higher education funding over here, not only have tuition fees risen, so has the educational sector's reliance on the corporate sector.
Ironically, one of the places where corporate influence may be the least pervasive is in private education. Because they rely on their students to turn a profit, they are less reliant on outside funding, and have a measure of freedom that is not always the case in other institutions. They also frequently have longer hours and smaller classes than state schools, which can improve educational standards.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 16, 2012, 09:25:02 PM
In UK we have a two tier education system. Comprehensive school is a factory that churns out proles. Then there's the ironically titled Public school which costs a lot of money and teaches societies chosen ones, how to best go about lording it over the unwashed masses. I don't know for sure but I have a sneaky suspicion that the "fact" that we are now a classless society is only taught in comprehensive schools.
Public schools, however, have to take on anyone who can pay their fees. Private schools, on the other hand, are like public schools, only they do not, and so are much more selective.
There are also academies, which are schools which take funding from the state but do not have to follow the cirriculum or hiring standards of an actual school, and so can hire crazy preachers to teach that the world is flat off government funds, if they so wish.
Quote from: Cain on August 17, 2012, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 16, 2012, 09:25:02 PM
In UK we have a two tier education system. Comprehensive school is a factory that churns out proles. Then there's the ironically titled Public school which costs a lot of money and teaches societies chosen ones, how to best go about lording it over the unwashed masses. I don't know for sure but I have a sneaky suspicion that the "fact" that we are now a classless society is only taught in comprehensive schools.
Public schools, however, have to take on anyone who can pay their fees. Private schools, on the other hand, are like public schools, only they do not, and so are much more selective.
There are also academies, which are schools which take funding from the state but do not have to follow the cirriculum or hiring standards of an actual school, and so can hire crazy preachers to teach that the world is flat off government funds, if they so wish.
I stand corrected - I thought private and public were the same deal :oops:
And, yeah, of course academies but, yknow, I meant real world :lol:
Quote from: Cain on August 17, 2012, 10:48:04 AM
Well, the problem is, are schools meant to educate a student, or are they meant to prepare them for a life of work? Most people say "both", but in practice it ends up being more the latter, and since the majority of work nowadays is corporate in nature....
In the UK, up until the age of 16, certain subjects are mandatory, and the school system is largely set up to teach these subjects. Only from the start of AS levels onwards does the student get a say in their own education, picking subjects they want to study in order to get into University in order to study what they want.
However, of course, even at University there is a level of corporate influence. While traditional subjects like Classics, Philosophy and Literature are still taught, subjects are increasingly reliant on outside funding for expensive research, such as scientific research or large population-based studies. Often there will also be internship-based relationships between the University in question and those companies providing outside funding - internships which frequently pay nothing or next to nothing, in return for "work experience", it should be noted.
As the government has further slashed higher education funding over here, not only have tuition fees risen, so has the educational sector's reliance on the corporate sector.
Ironically, one of the places where corporate influence may be the least pervasive is in private education. Because they rely on their students to turn a profit, they are less reliant on outside funding, and have a measure of freedom that is not always the case in other institutions. They also frequently have longer hours and smaller classes than state schools, which can improve educational standards.
Well yes, the stated purpose of schooling tends to be "politically correct aligned" in its model to supposedly provide the tools for a better developtment of the person, being a responsible citizen, teaching humanist values and being socially useful -nevermind that ALL of these are contradictory objectives-, but any basic analysis of the curricula shows otherwise, which is, yes, aimed at being a "good employee". (and everyone here knows what "good" means)
The mandatory assignment of subjects is just a way of saying and teaching "this needs to be done/learned, i know its useless, but you have to do it" which will come to use for employers; i mean, whomever thinks teaching all this over-specialized knowledge is good or useful, must have been born in the Rennaissance and doesnt grasp how jobs and society work nowadays, which is under a scheme of specializations.
To go to my current university, i pay in tuition about.... $40 USD per year... the required "textbooks" are in reality just photocopies, which i must spend about $24 more USD... to me its a completely alien concept to have to pay for "public university", hell, for what americans pay in tuition i would go easily to the most expensive university in my country!
I mean, the threat is looming over Mexico over letting corporations control universities, but its not quite there, i mean, im a bit out of the loop because im in social sciences, but i think i would be able to notice. There exists the threat to create a standarized test for graduates that would be another requirement besides the university diploma, but it doesnt exist yet. But yes, slashing public education investment is indeed a global trend.
So in conclusion, the stated objectives are hypocritical, and the real objectives are corporate, but i think it shouldnt be that way, cause, you know, big money tends to corrupt critical thinking and knowledge and all that.
Education is not something people do to you.
That's indoctrination.
Education is something you do to yourself.
That's fucking dangerous and they know it.
Which is why they teach you not to.
The sole purpose of state "education" is to cripple your learning faculty by flooding it with propaganda
The sole purpose of state education is to make you a fully functional but ignorant slave
I sensed this whilst I was at school
I learned it after I left
It's the only thing school taught me that I wouldn't have learned just as effectively if I hadn't been there.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
Education is not something people do to you.
That's indoctrination.
Education is something you do to yourself.
That's fucking dangerous and they know it.
Which is why they teach you not to.
The sole purpose of state "education" is to cripple your learning faculty by flooding it with propaganda
The sole purpose of state education is to make you a fully functional but ignorant slave
I sensed this whilst I was at school
I learned it after I left
It's the only thing school taught me that I wouldn't have learned just as effectively if I hadn't been there.
Yes; it's called "the hidden curriculum". The primary purpose of the education system (note that I did not say "schools" or "education") is to systemitize and indoctrinate the population. This is not
necessarily a bad thing, but it is when the indoctrination reinforces a social structure which is not operating in its members best interest.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
Education is not something people do to you.
That's indoctrination.
Education is something you do to yourself.
That's fucking dangerous and they know it.
Which is why they teach you not to.
The sole purpose of state "education" is to cripple your learning faculty by flooding it with propaganda
The sole purpose of state education is to make you a fully functional but ignorant slave
I sensed this whilst I was at school
I learned it after I left
It's the only thing school taught me that I wouldn't have learned just as effectively if I hadn't been there.
Printing this off, putting it up on office wall next to the gigantic printout of Squiddy's leer.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
Education is not something people do to you.
That's indoctrination.
Education is something you do to yourself.
That's fucking dangerous and they know it.
Which is why they teach you not to.
The sole purpose of state "education" is to cripple your learning faculty by flooding it with propaganda
The sole purpose of state education is to make you a fully functional but ignorant slave
I sensed this whilst I was at school
I learned it after I left
It's the only thing school taught me that I wouldn't have learned just as effectively if I hadn't been there.
Permission to quote with attribution?
An Underground History of American Education (http://mhkeehn.tripod.com/ughoae.pdf)
Free pdf. Haven't read the whole thing yet but it looks pretty good.
I admit I might be biased, as someone who intends to teach and is from a long time of teachers, but I'm not liking what I see thus far.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 17, 2012, 11:27:57 AM
To go to my current university, i pay in tuition about.... $40 USD per year... the required "textbooks" are in reality just photocopies, which i must spend about $24 more USD... to me its a completely alien concept to have to pay for "public university", hell, for what americans pay in tuition i would go easily to the most expensive university in my country!
I fucking haet you. I shell out almost $7000 a year in tuition with about $450 in books. Haet haet haet.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 16, 2012, 10:53:06 PM
A lot of our products are metric, people just ignore it. A liter of hootch is still called a "fifth" by most people.
A liter is closer to a quart. A fifth is roughly .750 liters, and is what most alcohol is sold in.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 17, 2012, 09:06:12 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 17, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
Education is not something people do to you.
That's indoctrination.
Education is something you do to yourself.
That's fucking dangerous and they know it.
Which is why they teach you not to.
The sole purpose of state "education" is to cripple your learning faculty by flooding it with propaganda
The sole purpose of state education is to make you a fully functional but ignorant slave
I sensed this whilst I was at school
I learned it after I left
It's the only thing school taught me that I wouldn't have learned just as effectively if I hadn't been there.
Permission to quote with attribution?
Permission to quote with or without attribution. I never wanted my name in lights. :lulz:
Thanks!
Can't say I blame you any. :lulz:
http://www.examiner.com/article/daycare-workers-arrested-after-children-forced-to-fight-each-other-for-sport
:eek:
Quote from: Telarus on August 23, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/daycare-workers-arrested-after-children-forced-to-fight-each-other-for-sport
:eek:
It's the next logical step from dogs and roosters. :x
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 20, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 16, 2012, 10:53:06 PM
A lot of our products are metric, people just ignore it. A liter of hootch is still called a "fifth" by most people.
A liter is closer to a quart. A fifth is roughly .750 liters, and is what most alcohol is sold in.
Die in a fire you pedantic ass.
Quote from: Telarus on August 23, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/daycare-workers-arrested-after-children-forced-to-fight-each-other-for-sport
:eek:
What the FUCK is wrong with people?
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 23, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 20, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 16, 2012, 10:53:06 PM
A lot of our products are metric, people just ignore it. A liter of hootch is still called a "fifth" by most people.
A liter is closer to a quart. A fifth is roughly .750 liters, and is what most alcohol is sold in.
Die in a fire you pedantic ass.
Apparently he has no awareness that the legally-sanctioned sizes of alcohol bottles VARY FROM STATE TO STATE. :lol:
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 23, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 23, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 20, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 16, 2012, 10:53:06 PM
A lot of our products are metric, people just ignore it. A liter of hootch is still called a "fifth" by most people.
A liter is closer to a quart. A fifth is roughly .750 liters, and is what most alcohol is sold in.
Die in a fire you pedantic ass.
Apparently he has no awareness that the legally-sanctioned sizes of alcohol bottles VARY FROM STATE TO STATE. :lol:
I used to sell it, I make and bottle it now and have to be aware of bottle sizes for batch calculations, bottle labelling is regulated by the federal government.
http://www.allgov.com/news?news=843116
QuoteProsecutors said Ciavarella sent juveniles to jail as part of a "kids for cash" scheme involving Robert Mericle, builder of the PA and Western PA Child Care juvenile detention centers. The ex-judge was convicted in February of 12 counts that included racketeering, money laundering, mail fraud and tax evasion.
and
QuoteOnce the case against Ciavarella surfaced, special investigative panels began reviewing cases he handled from 2003 to 2008. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court concluded that he denied about 5,000 juveniles, some as young as ten, their constitutional rights, leading to the vacating of their convictions.
and
QuoteAmong the young people exploited by Ciavarella were 15-year-old Hillary Transue, who was sentenced to three months at a juvenile detention center for mocking an assistant principal on a MySpace page; and 13-year-old Shane Bly, who was sent to a boot camp for two weekends after being accused of trespassing in a vacant building.
Another judge, Michael T. Conahan, used his position to shut down the county-run juvenile detention center and redirect juvenile detainees to the private prisons. He pleaded guilty to racketeering conspiracy.
o man, this thread made me a bit depressed... :eek: i usually try to forget about all the sick puppies out there, especially when it comes to state education which in my opinion has the biggest influence in society (or is this another half-informed conclusion of mine?) so thanks for this reality check.
I don't know that much about the US schools, I particularly get upset by the school system here in Germany, where at the age of 10-11 you are classified as either 'totally stupid', 'plain stupid' and 'not so stupid' - and sent to the respective school to be a fully functioning part of the respective social class.
:argh!: :argh!: more maths in every class damit!!! :argh!: :argh!:
the situation with prison labour is something i only know for a year or so and it's so extreme and beyond the little bubble I've built in my head.... :aaa: a proper nightmare :aaa: o man all this makes me see what a naive idiot i am sometimes.
You're not a naive idiot. People in Germany don't get a front row seat to all this. A lot of it's a Land Of The Free(TM) thing.
Quote from: stelz on April 29, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
You're not a naive idiot. People in Germany don't get a front row seat to all this. A lot of it's a Land Of The Free(TM) thing.
Yes, this is a freedom thing, and socialist Euros just don't get it.
This country is so profoundly fucked up that I honestly don't know whether we're going to dig out of it. I used to think we would, but things just keep going from "intolerable" to "even worse" and I'm not seeing any sign that they're going to turn around, ever. I think it's just going to ride this train until it runs out of tracks.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
This country is so profoundly fucked up that I honestly don't know whether we're going to dig out of it. I used to think we would, but things just keep going from "intolerable" to "even worse" and I'm not seeing any sign that they're going to turn around, ever. I think it's just going to ride this train until it runs out of tracks.
The free market will provide more tracks.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
This country is so profoundly fucked up that I honestly don't know whether we're going to dig out of it. I used to think we would, but things just keep going from "intolerable" to "even worse" and I'm not seeing any sign that they're going to turn around, ever. I think it's just going to ride this train until it runs out of tracks.
The free market will provide more tracks.
The free market says it will and takes your pre-payment for your own special boxcar. Then it disappears with the money to Cuba and we've got a hole in the ground and some rusty metal rails to work with.
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Inmate of the Month. :horrormirth:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
This country is so profoundly fucked up that I honestly don't know whether we're going to dig out of it. I used to think we would, but things just keep going from "intolerable" to "even worse" and I'm not seeing any sign that they're going to turn around, ever. I think it's just going to ride this train until it runs out of tracks.
The free market will provide more tracks.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
This country is so profoundly fucked up that I honestly don't know whether we're going to dig out of it. I used to think we would, but things just keep going from "intolerable" to "even worse" and I'm not seeing any sign that they're going to turn around, ever. I think it's just going to ride this train until it runs out of tracks.
The free market will provide more tracks.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 29, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
You're not a naive idiot. People in Germany don't get a front row seat to all this. A lot of it's a Land Of The Free(TM) thing.
Yes, this is a freedom thing, and socialist Euros just don't get it.
I'm afraid the land of the free
(TM) is bringing lots of its
money making ideas freedom techniques over here... after a short search i found this:
http://www.atlantic-times.com/archive_detail.php?recordID=876
but at the moment can't find any more details on how that is going...
scary :eek: considering that around europe they start jailing people for not paying their debts... and there's LOTS of those around... :sad:
i just hope the germans still remember who started "work camps" and react before it's established.
QuoteI don't know that much about the US schools, I particularly get upset by the school system here in Germany, where at the age of 10-11 you are classified as either 'totally stupid', 'plain stupid' and 'not so stupid' - and sent to the respective school to be a fully functioning part of the respective social class.
Yeah, that aspect of the German education system is more than just a little worrying. It seems the kind of thing designed to bring about a stratified social class system, especially given the determinents of learning at that age being mostly parental income. You get your worker drones, you get your technical, skilled people and then you get your overclass.
See in the UK, we have a simplified system, whereby having the wrong sort of accent and not going the right (private) schools means exceptionally low chances of going to the three or so Universities which act as giant feeder mechanisms for the main two political parties.
Quote from: GrannySmith on April 30, 2013, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 29, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
You're not a naive idiot. People in Germany don't get a front row seat to all this. A lot of it's a Land Of The Free(TM) thing.
Yes, this is a freedom thing, and socialist Euros just don't get it.
I'm afraid the land of the free(TM) is bringing lots of its money making ideas freedom techniques over here... after a short search i found this:
http://www.atlantic-times.com/archive_detail.php?recordID=876
but at the moment can't find any more details on how that is going...
scary :eek: considering that around europe they start jailing people for not paying their debts... and there's LOTS of those around... :sad:
i just hope the germans still remember who started "work camps" and react before it's established.
Germany still has money, I think. Everybody talks a nice line about "never forget" but when they start going in the hole it'll be US-style "ENSLAVE! ENSLAVE! ENSLAVE!", I'm guessing.
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:14:28 PM
QuoteI don't know that much about the US schools, I particularly get upset by the school system here in Germany, where at the age of 10-11 you are classified as either 'totally stupid', 'plain stupid' and 'not so stupid' - and sent to the respective school to be a fully functioning part of the respective social class.
Yeah, that aspect of the German education system is more than just a little worrying. It seems the kind of thing designed to bring about a stratified social class system, especially given the determinents of learning at that age being mostly parental income. You get your worker drones, you get your technical, skilled people and then you get your overclass.
See in the UK, we have a simplified system, whereby having the wrong sort of accent and not going the right (private) schools means exceptionally low chances of going to the three or so Universities which act as giant feeder mechanisms for the main two political parties.
How ridiculous! Why not just let The Free Market naturally weed out students who were dumb enough to be born poor, so that the clever ones can go to the top universities?
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 03:51:24 PM
Germany still has money, I think. Everybody talks a nice line about "never forget" but when they start going in the hole it'll be US-style "ENSLAVE! ENSLAVE! ENSLAVE!", I'm guessing.
the german government sure has money, they made sure they're with the winners in the euro crisis:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100698620
QuoteWhat is more, governments in Germany, Finland, Austria, the Netherlands and France have saved billions of euros thanks to a sharp fall in how much they pay to raise money in financial markets since their borrowing costs have dropped steeply.
but not that they don't like to enslave the people here too, they just do it differently:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/us-germany-jobs-idUSTRE8170P120120208
QuotePay in Germany, which has no nationwide minimum wage, can go well below one euro an hour, especially in the former communist east German states.
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:14:28 PM
See in the UK, we have a simplified system, whereby having the wrong sort of accent and not going the right (private) schools means exceptionally low chances of going to the three or so Universities which act as giant feeder mechanisms for the main two political parties.
it's horrible either way they do it... i remember a few years back when i visited the uk a lot, on noticing the obvious class system i was told they don't even really mingle... in the sense that people from one "class" are unlikely to have friends in other "classes". fucked up situation everywhere. i try to stay optimistic - at least people get upset about it nowadays. ?
Just read this. Happened two years ago, but news to me.
http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116 (http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116)
QuoteAccused of perpetrating a "profound evil," former Pennsylvania judge Mark Ciavarella Jr. has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for illegally accepting money from a juvenile-prison developer while he spent years incarcerating thousands of young people.
...
Among the young people exploited by Ciavarella were 15-year-old Hillary Transue, who was sentenced to three months at a juvenile detention center for mocking an assistant principal on a MySpace page; and 13-year-old Shane Bly, who was sent to a boot camp for two weekends after being accused of trespassing in a vacant building.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on May 03, 2013, 10:57:56 PM
Just read this. Happened two years ago, but news to me.
http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116 (http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116)
QuoteAccused of perpetrating a "profound evil," former Pennsylvania judge Mark Ciavarella Jr. has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for illegally accepting money from a juvenile-prison developer while he spent years incarcerating thousands of young people.
...
Among the young people exploited by Ciavarella were 15-year-old Hillary Transue, who was sentenced to three months at a juvenile detention center for mocking an assistant principal on a MySpace page; and 13-year-old Shane Bly, who was sent to a boot camp for two weekends after being accused of trespassing in a vacant building.
Not the only one, either. There was some shit going down in Washington county, too.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/05/07/57383.htm
QuoteAfter a diabetic high school student fell asleep in study hall, the school police officer slammed her face into a filing cabinet, arrested her and took her to jail, she claims in court.
Tieshka Avery claims she was so violently abused that she vomited in the police car. And all because she fell asleep reading "Huckleberry Finn."
(Public school districts in the South have been accused of operating de facto "school to jail" programs, targeting minority students for arrest for minor infractions. The ACLU and the federal government have filed lawsuits alleging the practice. See below.)
I assume the officer was there to protect the other children from this dangerous individual. We are all aware of the link between diabetes and extremism after all.
Quote"As a result of a combination of Ashlynn's chronic medical conditions, including sleep apnea, Type II diabetes, and asthma, Ashlynn dozed off during ISS.
"Joshua Whited, the ISS supervisor, noticed that Ashlynn had dozed off, walked to her cubicle and struck the cubicle with his hand, causing the cubicle to hit Ashlynn's head, waking her up.
"Ashlynn returned to reading 'Huckleberry Finn.'
"Once again, Ashlynn dozed off.
"While she was sleeping, Whited took the book from her, slammed the book onto the desk, causing the book to bounce and hit Ashlynn in the chest."
Ashlynn claims she was told to leave the room, and called her mother, and that "while Ashlynn was hysterical, speaking with her mother and walking down the hall, Officer Christopher Bryan [sic], who was behind her, made aggressive contact against her by slapping her backpack."
The complaint continues: "Ashlynn, not knowing who was behind her, said 'Leave me alone'.
"While still on the phone with her mother, Officer Bryant proceeded to shove Ashlynn face first into a file cabinet and handcuff her.
"Ashlynn was taken to the police station.
"On the ride to the police station, Ashlynn, due to her emotional state, vomited in the car."
This makes more sense. It's not reasonable to expect de-facto parents to be aware of potential medical complications. If you cared about one, you'd have to care about them all.
QuoteIn November last year, the federal government sued the Meridian, Miss., Public School District, claiming it operates a "school-to-prison" pipeline, hauling students off to juvenile detention centers for offenses such as disrespect and profanity.
Glad to see that amendment is working out well. The NRA call for armed guards in schools appears to have already occurred in some instances. Why else was the cop there?
Having a school security officer on the premises is very common, if not universal in the States. Article does not state whether or not the officer was armed, but he likely was. Again, common practice (Columbine had an armed security officer on duty at the time, too).
Having them abuse sick kids and target them for arrest for complete non-crimes is not so common, or at least I thought so.
QuoteIt started with a report to the state's Office of the Child Advocate that a child had been expelled from preschool.
Jamey Bell, the child advocate, saw no reason why a child that young should be suspended, and wanted to know how widespread the problem was. She also had learned that a 7-year-old had been arrested while at school.
She would soon find out that at least 1,967 students age 6 and under were suspended last school year -- almost all of them black or Hispanic.
http://www.ctmirror.org/story/hundreds-kindergarten-students-suspended-school
Quote from: stelz on May 20, 2013, 03:22:18 AM
QuoteIt started with a report to the state's Office of the Child Advocate that a child had been expelled from preschool.
Jamey Bell, the child advocate, saw no reason why a child that young should be suspended, and wanted to know how widespread the problem was. She also had learned that a 7-year-old had been arrested while at school.
She would soon find out that at least 1,967 students age 6 and under were suspended last school year -- almost all of them black or Hispanic.
http://www.ctmirror.org/story/hundreds-kindergarten-students-suspended-school
Wow, that's SO fucked up.
Flowchart:
1. Are you rich and white? Y = Go to college. N = go to step 2.
2. Can you knuckle under? Y = Go to step 3. N = Go to prison, work for $0.50/hour for CCA, for the rest of your natural life, with perhaps one or two small breaks on the "outside".
3. Are you lucky enough not to get busted by the Kafka-esque system even if you DON'T do something wrong? Y = Go to step 4. N = Go to prison, work for $0.50/hour for CCA, for the rest of your natural life, with perhaps one or two small breaks on the "outside".
4. Join the military, get blown up for Halliburton's bottom line. Survive? Y = go to next line. N = dead.
5. Come home all fucked up. Go to prison, work for $0.50/hour for CCA, for the rest of your natural life, with perhaps one or two small breaks on the "outside".
6. Die.
Early conditioning. "Give me a child until he's five.." etc. :x
Just caught this article (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/roxbury-principal-fires-security-guar).
QuoteThat was when Andrew Bott — the sixth principal in seven years — showed up, and everything started to change. "We got rid of the security guards," said Bott, who reinvested all the money used for security infrastructure into the arts.
QuoteThe end result? Orchard Gardens has one of the fastest student improvement rates statewide. And the students — once described as loud and unruly, have found their focus.
THIS MAN IS THREATENING OUR PIPELINE!
Quote from: deadfong on June 18, 2013, 12:30:52 AM
Just caught this article (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/roxbury-principal-fires-security-guar).
QuoteThat was when Andrew Bott — the sixth principal in seven years — showed up, and everything started to change. "We got rid of the security guards," said Bott, who reinvested all the money used for security infrastructure into the arts.
QuoteThe end result? Orchard Gardens has one of the fastest student improvement rates statewide. And the students — once described as loud and unruly, have found their focus.
THIS MAN IS THREATENING OUR PIPELINE!
He will be accused of inappropriate behavior within a year.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 20, 2013, 05:56:40 PM
Flowchart:
1. Are you rich and white? Y = Go to college. N = go to step 2.
2. Can you knuckle under? Y = Go to step 3. N = Go to prison, work for $0.50/hour for CCA, for the rest of your natural life, with perhaps one or two small breaks on the "outside".
3. Are you lucky enough not to get busted by the Kafka-esque system even if you DON'T do something wrong? Y = Go to step 4. N = Go to prison, work for $0.50/hour for CCA, for the rest of your natural life, with perhaps one or two small breaks on the "outside".
4. Join the military, get blown up for Halliburton's bottom line. Survive? Y = go to next line. N = dead.
5. Come home all fucked up. Go to prison, work for $0.50/hour for CCA, for the rest of your natural life, with perhaps one or two small breaks on the "outside".
6. Die.
Someone makes this into a chart! I will make print outs for campus!
Must grab attention of twitsters, and also have a Cain touch to it!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 01:18:49 AM
Quote from: deadfong on June 18, 2013, 12:30:52 AM
Just caught this article (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/roxbury-principal-fires-security-guar).
QuoteThat was when Andrew Bott — the sixth principal in seven years — showed up, and everything started to change. "We got rid of the security guards," said Bott, who reinvested all the money used for security infrastructure into the arts.
QuoteThe end result? Orchard Gardens has one of the fastest student improvement rates statewide. And the students — once described as loud and unruly, have found their focus.
THIS MAN IS THREATENING OUR PIPELINE!
He will be accused of inappropriate behavior within a year.
Without a doubt. There's money involved, here. This man is practically a terrorist, ruthlessly butchering all those lucrative security contracts.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 18, 2013, 02:43:38 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 01:18:49 AM
Quote from: deadfong on June 18, 2013, 12:30:52 AM
Just caught this article (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/roxbury-principal-fires-security-guar).
QuoteThat was when Andrew Bott — the sixth principal in seven years — showed up, and everything started to change. "We got rid of the security guards," said Bott, who reinvested all the money used for security infrastructure into the arts.
QuoteThe end result? Orchard Gardens has one of the fastest student improvement rates statewide. And the students — once described as loud and unruly, have found their focus.
THIS MAN IS THREATENING OUR PIPELINE!
He will be accused of inappropriate behavior within a year.
Without a doubt. There's money involved, here. This man is practically a terrorist, ruthlessly butchering all those lucrative security contracts.
Yeah. And a GAY MUSLIM SOCIALIST.
Or maybe not.
Maybe there will be a conveniently-timed and tragic school shooting. The state will deplore the violence, provide counseling, and move the Gestapo back in.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 01:18:49 AM
Quote from: deadfong on June 18, 2013, 12:30:52 AM
Just caught this article (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/roxbury-principal-fires-security-guar).
QuoteThat was when Andrew Bott — the sixth principal in seven years — showed up, and everything started to change. "We got rid of the security guards," said Bott, who reinvested all the money used for security infrastructure into the arts.
QuoteThe end result? Orchard Gardens has one of the fastest student improvement rates statewide. And the students — once described as loud and unruly, have found their focus.
THIS MAN IS THREATENING OUR PIPELINE!
He will be accused of inappropriate behavior within a year.
I'll take that bet and say he'll be arrested by the end of this year. I've seen too much shit like that not to automatically assume it's shady and probably quite abusive on the QT. November, I think.
Yes, it's pretty much a given that when you see someone acting in the best interests of the poor and oppressed, secretly they're a monster, or at least will soon be found to seem one by the Establishment.
I was more getting at that when changes come in this quickly and "effectively" (Not read much around it yet, do need to know more) there's often a lot of fucked-up fringe cases. It does seem a little odd that the only given reason is a shift in funding too. I would be a bit more open to this guy if he was identifying other factors.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 18, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
I was more getting at that when changes come in this quickly and "effectively" (Not read much around it yet, do need to know more) there's often a lot of fucked-up fringe cases. It does seem a little odd that the only given reason is a shift in funding too. I would be a bit more open to this guy if he was identifying other factors.
Well, I don't know if the principal is covering anything up, as I've only seen this one article, but I don't see too much reason for suspicion. He does admit that test scores are still below average in many areas, but I don't think that was the initial aim of this policy. The primary goal, I think, was to reduce violence and behavioral problems. Treating all the students like criminals likely led to a feedback loop in which the student body began to conform to those expectations. Now that they're being treated like students again, it's not surprising that their behavior has changed. I think, also, being given access to creative outlets, like art, dance, and music, probably also helped a lot.
It probably has, however I would also take a look at attendance numbers over the past, say 5 years.
The UK has had a tendency to improve schools drastically by shipping out the lowest X% of performing pupils. Drastic improvements/changes in anything seem to be worth questioning generally as the publicly attributed factor is rarely the whole story for me.
I'm pretty sure there have been stories from this year in the US where radical grade/discipline improvement has had some child abuse/physical punishment element to it. Religious/charter(?) schools if I recall correctly.
Parental comment from those involved would be very interesting and I imagine quite telling.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 18, 2013, 05:23:08 PM
Yes, it's pretty much a given that when you see someone acting in the best interests of the poor and oppressed, secretly they're a monster, or at least will soon be found to seem one by the Establishment.
I was referring to the latter.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 18, 2013, 05:23:08 PM
Yes, it's pretty much a given that when you see someone acting in the best interests of the poor and oppressed, secretly they're a monster, or at least will soon be found to seem one by the Establishment.
I was referring to the latter.
That's the part that's the given.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 18, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
I was more getting at that when changes come in this quickly and "effectively" (Not read much around it yet, do need to know more) there's often a lot of fucked-up fringe cases. It does seem a little odd that the only given reason is a shift in funding too. I would be a bit more open to this guy if he was identifying other factors.
Factors other than spending the money on education and arts instead of "security"?
:lulz:
Yeah, factors like: Kicking out any pupils deemed to have behavioural or mental disorders.
Or Factors like setting up a separate, totally unrelated school that now gets all these kids.
What I have seen of the education system is that it is not good at dealing with children who have serious problems. There seems to be an inclination to move them on to be someone else's problem as quickly and quietly as possible. "Segregate and ship out" was the party line for dealing with troubled kids during the Blair years.
I'm probably reading too much into it, and this is one of the actual good guys. Just seemed a bit too clear cut.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 19, 2013, 09:00:26 AM
Yeah, factors like: Kicking out any pupils deemed to have behavioural or mental disorders.
Or Factors like setting up a separate, totally unrelated school that now gets all these kids.
What I have seen of the education system is that it is not good at dealing with children who have serious problems. There seems to be an inclination to move them on to be someone else's problem as quickly and quietly as possible. "Segregate and ship out" was the party line for dealing with troubled kids during the Blair years.
I'm probably reading too much into it, and this is one of the actual good guys. Just seemed a bit too clear cut.
Those things are ALREADY HAPPENING in all of our public schools. Seriously, you have no idea how shitty it is here. So if he's doing it too, it still wouldn't account for the improvements.
If that's the case, I've probably shat the bed here. I'll bow to firsthand experience of the system in question and I guess we'll just have to wait and see how's it's going in a while.
I'd be quite happy to be totally wrong really. It would indicate that things could get a lot better really fast.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 19, 2013, 07:40:04 PM
If that's the case, I've probably shat the bed here. I'll bow to firsthand experience of the system in question and I guess we'll just have to wait and see how's it's going in a while.
I'd be quite happy to be totally wrong really. It would indicate that things could get a lot better really fast.
Yeah, I think you're putting your skepticism at the feet of the wrong team. This guy is demonstrating improvement in kids' academics and behavior by short-circuiting the school-to-prison pipeline and focusing resources on education. School-to-prison pipeline is big money.
In short, corporate interests will find a way to take him out of commission, discredit him and "prove" his system to be unworkable within a year, in such a manner that discourages anyone else from trying it anytime soon.
Yeah, I think that's what I've done here. In fairness, I do try and treat everyone equally by assuming everyone is evil and corrupt. Saves time. Probably need to re-think this attitude.
Related:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22970674
QuoteMany of the poor children being left behind in schools now are in suburbs, market towns and seaside resorts rather than big cities, England's chief inspector of schools has said.
In a speech, Sir Michael Wilshaw said such pupils were often an "invisible minority" in schools rated good or outstanding in quite affluent areas.
Quote"Today, many of the disadvantaged children performing least well in school can be found in leafy suburbs, market towns or seaside resorts," he said in the speech in London.
"Often they are spread thinly, as an 'invisible minority' across areas that are relatively affluent.
"These poor, unseen children can be found in mediocre schools the length and breadth of our country. They are labelled, buried in lower sets, consigned as often as not to indifferent teaching.
"They coast through education until, at the earliest opportunity, they sever their ties with it."
That last line would probably describe about 80% of the people I went to school with.
QuoteMr Rush said: "If you look at our intake, we don't have an option not to target the disadvantaged kids as they make up a high proportion of our students.
"We have had to look seriously at how to close the gap and raise the achievement of all children."
He said the school's strategies included having good information about children's abilities through regular testing and then targeting them with the right support.
Children are grouped by ability and there is an emphasis on getting the basics of English and maths right, plus extra classes at weekends and in the holidays - especially for the GCSE years.
Again, last line is probably one the more important ones. I'm unsure about that "regular testing" thing, I seem to recall frequent tests having negative effects on students motivation, may be mistaken.
They certainly had a negative effect on my motivation. Fuck, I understand the need for standardised testing, but years 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 all involved year long marches towards an exam of dubious utility, especially since they were mostly Edexcel papers and so asking impossible questions.
Quote from: Cain on June 20, 2013, 02:34:08 PM
Fuck, I understand the need for standardised testing,
I don't. My generation did just fine without it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 20, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 20, 2013, 02:34:08 PM
Fuck, I understand the need for standardised testing,
I don't. My generation did just fine without it.
We had those "achievement test" things that just showed our strong and weak areas, we didn't study for them, I don't think any funding was dependent on them.
Of course it was a total waste of time since the school pretty much ignored the results and stuck us in all the wrong classes, but it did get us out of regular classes for a few days. :lol:
The best assessment of a child's education is done by individual teachers, IMO. The testing forces them to all teach to the same model, which doesn't allow them to tailor teaching to each child's needs. It also doesn't allow them to do individual assessment of each child. The State does all the assessment, and simply reduces funding if the kids don't meet a certain standard, which, obviously, unfairly penalizes kids in disadvantages areas.
Without violating my company's social networking policies, I will just say I find it somewhat horrormirthy that, being a leading producer of digital educational aids for use throughout public school systems, our next "big marketing push" is going to be aimed at juvenile correctional facilities.
Standardised testing is unavoidable because the federal and state governments need a way to fairly evaluate how well schools are performing. Which means they all need to be measured by the same measuring stick.
Quote from: V3X on June 23, 2013, 09:39:21 PM
Without violating my company's social networking policies, I will just say I find it somewhat horrormirthy that, being a leading producer of digital educational aids for use throughout public school systems, our next "big marketing push" is going to be aimed at juvenile correctional facilities.
:horrormirth: