Relevant to Tumblr SJW Culture, fart-huffing, and the ongoing theme of Being Better at The Cause Than you, I encountered this post today:
https://medium.com/gender-justice-feminism/what-happens-if-you-plan-a-strip-club-birthday-when-youre-a-lesbian-the-idiot-speaks-52121eee099c
It's really worth reading the whole thing, but the synopsis is that a lesbian planned a fairly large outing to a strip club for her birthday, and after getting some texts that made her concerned that things might no go smoothly, wrote a humorously tongue-in-cheek email to her friends with advice on making the night a win for everyone, including the staff at the club. Someone thought it was funny and forwarded it to a writer at Jezebel, who, with the help of an alleged stripper friend, proceeded to rip the email to shreds because apparently, in her estimation, the 25-year-old lesbian birthday girl just wasn't doing it right enough.
http://jezebel.com/dont-be-an-idiot-at-the-strip-club-a-strippers-guide-1681793887
If anyone isn't familiar with Jezebel, it's a "feminist" online magazine that seemed to get off to a decent start, but then rapidly degenerated to something that is essentially a faux-feminist bully clearinghouse version of Cosmopolitan that spends more time ripping on women for not being perfect than it does analyzing or challenging the patriarchy, rape culture, or other feminist issues.
This seems to me to be very relevant to, and illustrative of, much of the conversation we've had over the last couple of years about movements and causes, particularly online, and how they so often start cannibalizing themselves by preying upon any of their own members they view as weak, vulnerable, or imperfect, because elevating oneself within the structure of a small group by climbing over one's comrades is easier by far, and more immediately gratifying, than tackling the larger societal structures that are causing harm to everyone. In this way organizations such as Jezebel actually perpetuate that which on their face they claim to oppose, fundamentally doing the patriarchy's work for them.
From what I've heard, most of the original writing staff left in the last few years, and the new writing staff has indeed gone down the path of gossip and Doin' It Wrong.
At the same time, from what I've read of the post, it really did seem like the idea was to have a party of 60 show up unnanounced and more or less exploit the strippers, monitarily.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 08, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
From what I've heard, most of the original writing staff left in the last few years, and the new writing staff has indeed gone down the path of gossip and Doin' It Wrong.
At the same time, from what I've read of the post, it really did seem like the idea was to have a party of 60 show up unnanounced and more or less exploit the strippers, monitarily.
Is that from reading the Jezebel post? It badly misrepresents the actual situation (the birthday girl not only called but went to the club in person to make sure they were prepared and could accommodate her party, which ended up being about 30 people and spent over $5000 in the club that evening), and passages are seemingly deliberately misinterpreted (how does "bring at least a couple of $20's in cash, you can start a tab at the bar) translate into "Everybody only spend $40"?). Even if that were not the case, though, publicly excoriating an individual, someone who is not even a public figure but just a random graduate student, based on a single personal email with zero investigation or effort to seek context (either by contacting the email's author, other attendees, or the club itself) is ethically reprehensible.
Can you imagine having one of your emails about your party plans raked over the coals by Jezebel? I don't know about you, but I certainly don't preface every single email to my friends with full backstory and context.
The other thing that bothered me about the Jezebel post (there were many things) was that it seemed to disregard the fact that strip clubs can be very different in different cities. For example, tipping the bathroom and coat attendants? I don't think that kind of strip club even exists in Portland. I have never seen a coat check at a strip club, let alone a bathroom attendant. Where the fuck would a bathroom attendant even stand? In the 12 square feet of space housing the sink outside of the single stall?
For that matter, for all the pissing and moaning about the idea of patrons only tipping $40 (the NERVE) that would make a pretty good haul split between 3 or 4 girls (typical here). So it seems like the author was simply imposing arbitrary standards and expectations for the sole purpose of bullying and humiliating someone who was, ultimately, just some unknown 25 year old trying to have a nice birthday.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, the Jezebel writer is being very selective about comment approval.
I remember thinking a few years ago, naively, that the rise of internet journalism would bring us closer to the 'truth' as the establishment would be able to filter and bias journalists less.
But instead, it seems like all the lessons of hundreds of years of print journalism have been tossed out the window in favor of more bias, more extremism, because castigation = clickbait and you should never miss an opportunity to stir up a good controversy so that people - whether they agree with you or not - give their precious pageview to your website.
Very disappointing.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on February 08, 2015, 08:48:53 PM
I remember thinking a few years ago, naively, that the rise of internet journalism would bring us closer to the 'truth' as the establishment would be able to filter and bias journalists less.
But instead, it seems like all the lessons of hundreds of years of print journalism have been tossed out the window in favor of more bias, more extremism, because castigation = clickbait and you should never miss an opportunity to stir up a good controversy so that people - whether they agree with you or not - give their precious pageview to your website.
Very disappointing.
It really is. Essentially the internet has become 1/3 malicious gossip, 1/3 rumor mill, and 1/3 echo chamber.
I find it really disturbing to think that these sites are eager and willing to publish personal emails of random private citizens just for the opportunity to rake some unsuspecting nobody over the coals, though. That's really unsettling.
Jezebel is pretty worrying, when it does things like this.
It's worth remembering Jezebel is part of the Gawker media empire, who thrive on this kind of extreme invasion of privacy, self-righteous moralising and whipping up of internet mobs. The assumption of good causes and good intentions leading to good outcomes seems one that is hard-coded into their operating manual, possibly next to the section which recommends a sneering, preachy tone to those who disagree or even ask questions.
I have some more thoughts, later, but I'm bunged up and ill still, so they can wait. All I will say is that the strategy of demonization and polarization has proven to be extremely profitable.
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Jezebel is pretty worrying, when it does things like this.
It's worth remembering Jezebel is part of the Gawker media empire, who thrive on this kind of extreme invasion of privacy, self-righteous moralising and whipping up of internet mobs. The assumption of good causes and good intentions leading to good outcomes seems one that is hard-coded into their operating manual, possibly next to the section which recommends a sneering, preachy tone to those who disagree or even ask questions.
I have some more thoughts, later, but I'm bunged up and ill still, so they can wait. All I will say is that the strategy of demonization and polarization has proven to be extremely profitable.
It's REALLY disturbing. The idea that there is profit to be made from demonizing completely ordinary people who are just trying to go about their lives is very, very worrying.
There still seems to be this weird disconnect where people feel like the internet removes the need to act like responsible human beings, perhaps because it doesn't feel as 'real' as, say, an article you can publish and frame does? I don't know.
I think I linked to this before but this gives me hope (http://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/jan/07/life-after-a-viral-nightmare-ecce-homo-to-revenge-porn) that it isn't entirely guaranteed to ruin people's lives. It has still never been easier to earn the unwarranted hatred of dozens (or more) of motivated, vengeful and hateful individuals, though, and that's a frightening realization I don't think you can truly appreciate until you've lived it.
ETA - This passage was the bit that made me go :eek:
QuoteMitchell, who was, let's remember, a schoolgirl, might have considered the sensitivity of a selfie in Auschwitz more carefully, but her picture was nothing like as crass as it seemed. She had talked for years about visiting with her father and, after he died, she had finally managed it. She took her phone out to record the moment and – perhaps out of habit – happened to smile. The picture was online for a month before anyone noticed. "I literally woke up one morning and had literally a thousand things on my phone, notifications," Mitchell said at the time. "I've had death threats. I've had people telling me I need to kill myself." When the race to denounce a bigot begins, people forget about details like whether or not they were guilty.
I swear, pedantic and uncalled for ridicule brings these people to orgasm or something.
Well, not really. But they do seem to think they exist in a world where they have direct and unfettered access to a special place where all moral and political questions have obvious answers and where political disagreements only happen between the Evil Evil-Doers Who Are Horrible Bigots and the Angelic Paragons of Social Justice Who Fight Racism and Sexism Through Tweets (while getting paid).
A presumption of good intentions is essentially not rewarded by current internet reading habits, which are what help drive this phenomena. Demonisation and outrage act as social currency, which translates into pageviews which translates into sweet, sweet advertising revenue. Sure, this may occasionally get people sacked and harassed by thousands of people online (http://gawker.com/the-saga-of-justine-sacco-twitters-accidental-racist-1487762376) because of their own inability to detect sarcasm (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/23/justine-sacco-tweet-south-africa-aids), but you can't make a money filled omlette without breaking a few eggs and lives.
And of course it's not like this drive to mob justice is in any way creating perverse incentives. Oh no, not at all (http://gawker.com/psycho-frames-ex-with-fake-racist-facebook-posts-1665418226).
I think it's possibly as simple as population.
More and more people requiring less and less intelligence and education are bringing both cash and content to the internet. This is in part because of the ease built into wireless devices and social media services. In short the masses, the mob is becoming the dominant force. This will likely increase over time.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on February 08, 2015, 10:39:29 PM
ETA - This passage was the bit that made me go :eek:
QuoteMitchell, who was, let's remember, a schoolgirl, might have considered the sensitivity of a selfie in Auschwitz more carefully, but her picture was nothing like as crass as it seemed. She had talked for years about visiting with her father and, after he died, she had finally managed it. She took her phone out to record the moment and – perhaps out of habit – happened to smile. The picture was online for a month before anyone noticed. "I literally woke up one morning and had literally a thousand things on my phone, notifications," Mitchell said at the time. "I've had death threats. I've had people telling me I need to kill myself." When the race to denounce a bigot begins, people forget about details like whether or not they were guilty.
Yea that made me cringe a bit as well. What, like, FUCK YOU FOR ACCOMPLISHING A THING ON YOUR BUCKET LIST IN MEMORY OF YOUR DEAD FATHER. :argh!:
Upon further information, yes. Nigel is right, and that woman did not need to be demonized. Apparently, even the club has weighed in and said everything went well.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 09, 2015, 12:28:32 AM
I think it's possibly as simple as population.
More and more people requiring less and less intelligence and education are bringing both cash and content to the internet. This is in part because of the ease built into wireless devices and social media services. In short the masses, the mob is becoming the dominant force. This will likely increase over time.
(http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/439712045/citation_needed_mug.jpg?side=Back&height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 09, 2015, 02:46:59 AM
Upon further information, yes. Nigel is right, and that woman did not need to be demonized. Apparently, even the club has weighed in and said everything went well.
I think, personally, that she didn't need to be demonized in a popular national publication
even if she had been painfully clueless about how strip clubs worked. Even if the evening had been a clusterfuck and the strippers felt undertipped, which is something that happens all the time without anyone organizing their friends to do it.
I don't think there was at any point any valid reason for any person with even a shred of journalistic integrity to personally humiliate a random non-public-figure person for their party planning. Unless their party planning involved doing something terrible to other people, and frankly, underestimating the tip doesn't even come close to falling into that category.
Could the email have validly stimulated the writer to write a piece about how to plan a party at a strip club? Sure, it could have. And it could have even used some "don'ts" inspired by the email. Of course, a responsible journalist STILL would have checked facts... but that's not what Jezebel is all about. Not anymore.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 09, 2015, 03:48:02 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 09, 2015, 12:28:32 AM
I think it's possibly as simple as population.
More and more people requiring less and less intelligence and education are bringing both cash and content to the internet. This is in part because of the ease built into wireless devices and social media services. In short the masses, the mob is becoming the dominant force. This will likely increase over time.
(http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/439712045/citation_needed_mug.jpg?side=Back&height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true)
:lol: very true!
My wild speculation only, written in haste as I thought it.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 08, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
It really is. Essentially the internet has become 1/3 malicious gossip, 1/3 rumor mill, and 1/3 echo chamber.
I dunno. My kids and all their friends use it in different, better ways. But they don't go to tumblr or facebook, as those sites don't offer the activities they are after (videoconferencing, bad movies, etc).
THAT BEING SAID: All the places I go are full of arse biscuits. PD not so much, but Facebook is as dysfunctional as a Kentucky romance, and tumblr is outright awful. And Jezebel seems to be going full tumblr.
Also, political news sites on both sides of the aisle have reverted to yellow journalism, to the point where I automatically read the text of the actual bills they discuss, and laugh at their analysis.
A bit off topic, but now I'm wondering if there might not be a sort of bias inherent in heavy Internet users. You sub consciously believe that your experience online must be much like everyone else's.
One could perhaps extract a deeper bias more fit for media generally and extreme Internet users especially. You begin to believe that the information you are soaking in is how the world actually is.
Somehow I think the younger ones DO seem to grasp the difference better.
Again just speculating.
As an aside, and almost completely tangential, the "Kitchenette" sub-section of Jezebel is pretty good. Mostly because it doesn't really do identity politics.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 09, 2015, 06:05:53 PM
As an aside, and almost completely tangential, the "Kitchenette" sub-section of Jezebel is pretty good. Mostly because it doesn't really do identity politics.
For now.
By this time next year, they'll be writing things about sous vide privilege.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obt32tD7nDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obt32tD7nDI)
tangentially related, plus i'm noticing the humor is so hit and miss that i'm half wondering if this is less of a skit and more of a bulwark for exactly this kind of shit.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2015, 03:46:28 PM
Facebook is as dysfunctional as a Kentucky romance
This is all I saw. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I'm not very happy with this one, may come back to it later
(http://i.imgur.com/Iqe1ORs.jpg)
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 08, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
For example, tipping the bathroom and coat attendants? I don't think that kind of strip club even exists in Portland.
*shudder*
They don't.
Dok,
Will never stop for directions again.
The Gawker network has recently exceeded their already low standards when they "outed" a senior executive in a competitor company as hiring a gay porn star.
The guy isn't really in any way a public figure. There is no clear indication he was cheating on his wife, she was unaware of his sexual interests or anything of the like. It just looks like yet another sideswipe at a competing firm "lololol he gay". And from a supposedly "progressive" media outlet, no less.
Quote from: Cain on July 19, 2015, 08:13:13 PM
The Gawker network has recently exceeded their already low standards when they "outed" a senior executive in a competitor company as hiring a gay porn star.
The guy isn't really in any way a public figure. There is no clear indication he was cheating on his wife, she was unaware of his sexual interests or anything of the like. It just looks like yet another sideswipe at a competing firm "lololol he gay". And from a supposedly "progressive" media outlet, no less.
Wow, that's fucked up. Way to go all Fox News, Gawker.
oh well since this threads alive again, this seems relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0JvjKEuF4
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Also with the gay porn star thing:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/exclusive-interview-with-the-gay-porn-star-behind-that-terrible-gawker-article/
QuoteAfter allegedly receiving the money, Truitt — or "Ryan" — said he decided to cross-reference Geithner's phone number ("Ryan" said Geithner declined to provide his last name). "Ryan" reportedly discovered Geithner's family ties and figured he could use the connection to help settle an ongoing housing dispute with his former landlord in Texas. "Ryan" told Gawker that his landlord claimed he was being evicted because he had a service dog that he needed for PTSD. But "Ryan" believed that he was given the boot because of his work in gay porn.
Records show that Truitt had a lien placed against him in September 2013, by Alexen Vistas, an apartment complex in Austin.
"Ryan" told Gawker he had taken his discrimination case to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) but that the agency found no probable cause to investigate. Truitt then contacted his senator, Ted Cruz. According "Ryan," Cruz's office notified him in May that nothing more could be done on his case.
[Update: A HUD spokesman confirmed to TheDC after publication that Truitt had filed a housing complaint and that it was indeed found to have no reasonable cause for further investigation.]
So "Ryan" reportedly asked Geithner to look at his paperwork in hopes he'd use his family's influence to help with his case. Geithner allegedly looked at some of the documents but was confused about what "Ryan" wanted. Geithner allegedly later texted "Ryan" to say that he'd be unable to make it to their planned meeting in Chicago.
So that's when "Ryan" contacted Gawker. The publication of the article set off a massive firestorm on Twitter. Most critics pointed out that the story was beyond the pale because Geithner is not a public figure. Others pointed out that Gawker has attacked other outlets for "outing" people.
This essentially makes Gawker an accessory to blackmail, if true.
Bonus fun:
QuoteIn the article, the gossip website mentioned that "Ryan's" Facebook page "contains a number of videos and photographs advocating for a variety of conspiracy theories." But that characterization doesn't even scratch the surface.
In addition to endorsing conspiracy theories, Truitt's Facebook page indicates he has an apocalyptic worldview. In one video he spots a jet flying overhead and claims it is the military testing a nuclear ballistic shield protecting the U.S. Other posts show Truitt believes that 9/11 was carried out by the Russian government.
In another video, in which he calls President Barack Obama the "son of the Devil," Truitt says that since 1980 the numbers "6-6-6″ have been drawn 25 times in the Illinois state pick-three lottery. Truitt claimed that Obama spoke publicly on 11 of the days on which those numbers were drawn, evidence of some evil of some sort.
"I already figured it out. You were giving a speech 11 times," Truitt says in the video. "Dirtbag," he calls Obama. "That is a fact."
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
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Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Her writing style is HORRIBLE. Horrible, horrible, horrible.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
Can we also jump on the ridiculous question of what kind of person could possibly think others care?
There's Nihilism, and then there's just having you head up your ass and so assuming that the whole world must be shitty.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
Good question.
I think because while lesbianism has been more or less completely accepted by the mainstream in the last 30 years, strippers are still largely marginalized and routinely mocked. But you're right, I glossed over the homophobia, not cool.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
You really are a bit of a shit.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
Good question.
I think because while lesbianism has been more or less completely accepted by the mainstream in the last 30 years, strippers are still largely marginalized and routinely mocked. But you're right, I glossed over the homophobia, not cool.
Really it depends on the bar and how the stripper thinks about herself I guess.
Im not homophobic, I mean more who describes themself as hardworking, good-hearted, and socially conscious? You'll break your back if you pat it so much.
With the who would care thing, I meant more no one at a strip club cares if there's lesbians there. Thinking people care about you being a special snowflake makes you about as head up ass as me.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
Good question.
I think because while lesbianism has been more or less completely accepted by the mainstream in the last 30 years, strippers are still largely marginalized and routinely mocked. But you're right, I glossed over the homophobia, not cool.
Really it depends on the bar and how the stripper thinks about herself I guess.
Im not homophobic, I mean more who describes themself as hardworking, good-hearted, and socially conscious? You'll break your back if you pat it so much.
With the who would care thing, I meant more no one at a strip club cares if there's lesbians there. Thinking people care about you being a special snowflake makes you about as head up ass as me.
Keep on digging, you'll be out of that hole in no time.
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What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
Missed that on the first couple readthroughs. So much bad in such a compact package!
He's a pretty unpleasant fellow, from what I can see.
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Gotta love people who think they have the right to be OUTRAGED because an artist won't do what they want. ART FOR ME, ART MONKEY! ART NOW!
What kind of person takes Muenster seriously? As far as I can tell, God put him here for us to mock, as is Her wont.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 28, 2015, 06:34:32 PM
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Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
Missed that on the first couple readthroughs. So much bad in such a compact package!
First couple readthroughs? By god, go do something better with your life.
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Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
Missed that on the first couple readthroughs. So much bad in such a compact package!
First couple readthroughs? By god, go do something better with your life.
Dude, you got quoted like seven times, with escalating levels of disgust. It ain't rereading if it keeps showing up on the screen.
Quote from: Meunster on July 29, 2015, 02:07:50 AM
First couple readthroughs? By god, go do something better with your life.
Eat shit and die. :lulz:
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Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
Missed that on the first couple readthroughs. So much bad in such a compact package!
First couple readthroughs? By god, go do something better with your life.
Dude, you got quoted like seven times, with escalating levels of disgust. It ain't rereading if it keeps showing up on the screen.
That's not really reading though, just skimming, you telling me you don't go "oh, it's that post,I'll skip to the non quoted part"?
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Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
Missed that on the first couple readthroughs. So much bad in such a compact package!
First couple readthroughs? By god, go do something better with your life.
Dude, you got quoted like seven times, with escalating levels of disgust. It ain't rereading if it keeps showing up on the screen.
That's not really reading though, just skimming, you telling me you don't go "oh, it's that post,I'll skip to the non quoted part"?
Jesus. Shut the fuck up, dumbass.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 01:33:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Gotta love people who think they have the right to be OUTRAGED because an artist won't do what they want. ART FOR ME, ART MONKEY! ART NOW!
For a feminist publication, and all the feminist criticisms of capitalism and how it turns women into commodities, some writers at Jezebel are sure happy to do the same to others.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2015, 07:11:28 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 01:33:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Gotta love people who think they have the right to be OUTRAGED because an artist won't do what they want. ART FOR ME, ART MONKEY! ART NOW!
For a feminist publication, and all the feminist criticisms of capitalism and how it turns women into commodities, some writers at Jezebel are sure happy to do the same to others.
The problem isn't that people are made into commodities, it's that *I'M* being turned into one!
Quote from: Meunster on July 29, 2015, 02:07:50 AM
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Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on July 27, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
Quote from: Meunster on July 27, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
What kind of bitch gets a email sent to them, published it then makes fun of it?
What kind of person self describes themselves as a hardworking, good-hearted, socially conscious lesbian?
What kind of person thinks that strippers are so brave, strong, and talented?
What kind of person thinks other people even care?
Wha?
The person in the story has a high opinion of strippers
Why shouldn't they?
More importantly, why did you focus on the stripper line when Meunster seems to think lesbians can't be good people?
I also noticed the "what kind of bitch" thing.
Missed that on the first couple readthroughs. So much bad in such a compact package!
First couple readthroughs? By god, go do something better with your life.
Just because you have to sound it out as you go along doesn't mean anyone else reads that slowly.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2015, 07:11:28 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 01:33:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Gotta love people who think they have the right to be OUTRAGED because an artist won't do what they want. ART FOR ME, ART MONKEY! ART NOW!
For a feminist publication, and all the feminist criticisms of capitalism and how it turns women into commodities, some writers at Jezebel are sure happy to do the same to others.
Jezebel is a horrible, horrible magazine. It's like Cosmopolitan interbred with Huffpo and Tumblr.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2015, 07:11:28 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 01:33:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Gotta love people who think they have the right to be OUTRAGED because an artist won't do what they want. ART FOR ME, ART MONKEY! ART NOW!
For a feminist publication, and all the feminist criticisms of capitalism and how it turns women into commodities, some writers at Jezebel are sure happy to do the same to others.
Jezebel is a horrible, horrible magazine. It's like Cosmopolitan interbred with Huffpo and Tumblr.
Was it always like this? I remember being impressed early on, but I may just have been stupid.
From 2007-10 it was run by Anna Holmes, who actually had some journalistic credentials (degree in journalism, staff writer for a magazine).
Interestingly, most of the stupid things it has done have been post 2010.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2015, 06:36:42 PM
From 2007-10 it was run by Anna Holmes, who actually had some journalistic credentials (degree in journalism, staff writer for a magazine).
Interestingly, most of the stupid things it has done have been post 2010.
Okay. Now I don't feel quite as dense. :lol:
Yeah, I didn't read it so much back then either, but I don't remember it being as venomous or stupid as it is now.
Which seems to be something of a trend for Gawker media. Only Wonkette seems to have escaped this fate, mostly by becoming its own media entity outright (though it's still nowhere near as awesome as it was when Ana Marie Cox was editor).
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Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2015, 07:11:28 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 29, 2015, 01:33:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Via Cracked I came across this little gem regarding a Jezebel writer and tattoos: https://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/
tl:dr Jezebel writer wants neck tattoo, artist refuses (as they often do to people who aren't already covered in tats and want a face/neck tattoo), Jezebel writer decides to whip up the internet mob in revenge and mock other people who got tattoos from the artist in question, tattoo artist responds above.
Gotta love people who think they have the right to be OUTRAGED because an artist won't do what they want. ART FOR ME, ART MONKEY! ART NOW!
For a feminist publication, and all the feminist criticisms of capitalism and how it turns women into commodities, some writers at Jezebel are sure happy to do the same to others.
Jezebel is a horrible, horrible magazine. It's like Cosmopolitan interbred with Huffpo and Tumblr.
Was it always like this? I remember being impressed early on, but I may just have been stupid.
It was definitely all right early on.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2015, 06:36:42 PM
From 2007-10 it was run by Anna Holmes, who actually had some journalistic credentials (degree in journalism, staff writer for a magazine).
Interestingly, most of the stupid things it has done have been post 2010.
Ah, that makes sense. I remember liking it, and then all of a sudden being horrified that I'd ever liked it.
So....speaking of stupid things Jezebel did 2010, I came across this today:
http://www.lamag.com/longform/the-hugo-problem/
QuoteSoon after becoming a regular Jezebel contributor, Schwyzer started writing for The Good Men Project, a popular online magazine featuring positive stories about men.
You'll see why that's a problem upon reading the article. Not least because:
QuoteHe was L.A.'s most prominent male feminist, a professor of gender studies who used his online presence to burnish his reputation. Then Hugo Schwyzer's bad behavior—sex with students, substance abuse, and a chilling act of violence—came to light, and Twitter users around the world took him down
Also not a real gender studies professor.
Fuck and i actually like The Good Men Project