Principia Discordia

The Troof about Discordians is very hard for many people to take.  Mainly because many of them are idiots from the land of Thud, who spew the same shit out of their mouth as they do out of their asses.  Fluffy bunnies detest Discordians.  We deserve it of course, there's nothing quite as fun as dismantling the weak-minded world view of a bunch of new-age neohippies who think that they can free the world by thinking thoughts of love and light (and of course by buying all the stones, tarot cards, and various other magical accoutrement's possible, not to mention all the Silver RavenWolf books that can be easily bought at Barnes and Noble).  A note to Fluffy Bunnies, you will never free anyone by giving in.

So, here is what you should never expect from a Discordian (of course, many of them will give it to you anyway, just to see what happens):

1 - Sympathy.  We know you've caused most of your own problems.  Get a life that involves something other then bitching and moaning to us.  Of course, there are some people that have REAL problems, and most of us feel sorry for kids with Downs Syndrome.  Well, maybe on some level of which we are not aware.

2 - Manners.  Many of us think many of the niceties that society has set down are laughable.  Most of us have basic manners, and won't shit on your chest (unless you make us angry...or ask us nicely).  But really, if you look bad (and don't have something we happen to be sympathetic towards) we will probably tell you.  Partly because it will be fun.  Partly because many of us feel that honesty is the best policy (but only while everyone else is lying).

3 - Agreeability.  This sort of ties in to Manners up above.  Just because all of your stupid little friends think that your ideas are great, does not mean that we will, do, or have to.  If it looks like a pile of shit, and smells like a pile of shit, I will tell you that it's a pile of shit.  We don't care if we hurt your feelings (unless of course you happen to be in the loophole of #1).  Sometimes we agree just to see how absurdly far you will take it, because it is fun for us.  But, please remember, we are all very lazy (the SubGenii have inserted mind probes into all of us...) and you're probably not worth the effort.

4 - Work.  We do what we want to do when we want to do it.  (unless of course it falls under the important previsions of #1 and #2).  You are probably not worth the amount of effort it would take to get a result.  If you happen to be smart enough, you can probably get us to do something by suggesting that it's close enough to what we're doing anyway.  Most of you are not that smart, so give up now.

5 - Love & Light.  Just because we happen to be close to being Pagan does not mean we are happy little Wiccans parading about in our ritual robes and cool velvet cloaks (although, I have been meaning to buy myself a cloak, because attending rituals in the cold desert night air makes my nipples hard).  The whole Pagan thing is coincidence anyway.  Eris was around long before the Greeks got ahold of her very pleasant bosom and convinced her to join up with them.  She probably did it because it felt like a good opportunity for a mindfuck.  Being the Goddess that she is, she was right of course, and it continues to be a mindfuck.

And now, here are some things you should probably expect from a Discordian (although these rules are much harder to pin down, and are subject to more exceptions then the first list):

1 - Attitude.  We didn't get to where we are today (nowhere) by being pussywhiped.  If you meet a timid Discordian he's probably lying.  Don't worry, he'll show his true stripes soon enough (or, because he can cut the butter, he'll avoid anyone who would tell him he's pussywhiped).

2 - Rebel-ness.  Some of us just want to change ourselves.  Some of us want to change the world.  There are support groups for this.  Sometimes they are call prison ass-rapings.  Sometimes they are called mandated therapy.  Sometimes they are called police brutality.  It's okay, we like it that way.  Just remember, if you get in our way we will use the chainsaw on your head.  Most of us have special clothes we wear for when blood splatters.  And besides, you'll be useful in Bella's zombie army.

3 - Eccentricity.  We don't care what other people think.  Yes, we are strange.  Yes, most of the rumors are true (although the Gorilla claimed she didn't know sign language, the story got out anyway).  Yes, our sense of humor is a bit...off color.  We do it because it's fun.  And, because it creeps you out.

4 - Humor. We want to have fun.  Much of the time we don't care if it's at your expense.

5 - A Smile.  It's probably because we're up to something.  Or, because we got laid last night.  Or, because we just farted.  You should probably watch out if one of us is smiling.  No, really, I mean it.

Pretty good overview, IMO.  Apart from the manners thing, I think most people on this board are polite unless they feel no reason not to be.  Thats the distinction, no politeness for its on sake.  But I liked it much otherwise.

Troof is what is painted the way you want it.

Quote from: CainPretty good overview, IMO.  Apart from the manners thing, I think most people on this board are polite unless they feel no reason not to be.  Thats the distinction, no politeness for its on sake.  But I liked it much otherwise.

i disagree. some people are. other people, when they become polite, it's time to wonder why...

not that it takes much wondering.

Works for me.I thought it was pretty good.

8.5/10

wait!

there's rules?

just wait until i tell the other fluff bunn...

...ah, i mean...

that's very nice, khan, very nice

yes indeed

I am the Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

9.7/10.  I believe this is the highest score I have ever given.  This is really good stuff.

I wonder if you would allow it to be included as an appendix to the Gospel(tm)?

TGRR,
Stands in awe.

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Quote from: CainPretty good overview, IMO.  Apart from the manners thing, I think most people on this board are polite unless they feel no reason not to be.  Thats the distinction, no politeness for its on sake.  But I liked it much otherwise.

i disagree. some people are. other people, when they become polite, it's time to wonder why...

not that it takes much wondering.

My sig explains everything, I think.

I'll have you know I only have 3 Tarot decks, one of which I never use because it's round.  I don't know either, it seemed like a good idea at the time.   :wink:

Two more points about the smiling, first hippie lettuce produces much smiling.  Two, you forgot about the whole Wednesday Adams or Mandy smile, the one that creeps you out or brings about the end of the universe kind of thing.  I suspect more than a few of us have smiles like that.  Or can produce one if needs be.   :twisted:

Other than that it was just about perfect.  You have a keen eye for human behavior.

Mr. Zurtok, you forgot one thing only:  that Discordians are delicious.


your friend,

the Iron Fist Chef,

Enrico.

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI am the Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

9.7/10.  I believe this is the highest score I have ever given.  This is really good stuff.

I wonder if you would allow it to be included as an appendix to the Gospel(tm)?

TGRR,
Stands in awe.

What Gospel?

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI am the Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

9.7/10.  I believe this is the highest score I have ever given.  This is really good stuff.

I wonder if you would allow it to be included as an appendix to the Gospel(tm)?

TGRR,
Stands in awe.

What Gospel?

The Gospel According to Roger. Its at POEE UK.

where, I might add, your presence is most likely very unwelcome.

(I'm speaking to ZK here)

I must resist the urge to stuff ZK into a wood chipper in order to say, "Not bad..."

*stuffs ZK into a wood chipper*

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Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI am the Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

9.7/10.  I believe this is the highest score I have ever given.  This is really good stuff.

I wonder if you would allow it to be included as an appendix to the Gospel(tm)?

TGRR,
Stands in awe.

What Gospel?

The Gospel According to Roger. Its at POEE UK.

The very beginnings are at POEE.

Quote from: East Coast Hustlewhere, I might add, your presence is most likely very unwelcome.

(I'm speaking to ZK here)

Why do you say that?

I disagree.

Quote from: The seerI disagree.

With what?

Pretty much everything in this thread.

Though perhaps you might clear that up for me.
Is discordianism a spiritual and/or religious practice to you and/or ZK or do you treat it as something else? Because as it appears to me from the description you're describing socially desirable personality traits before someone can have the label "Discordian" so if you think of it that way it sounds more like a "good housekeeping" article.

I suppose that may have some kind of use in a religious sense but I don't see it having much to do with the spiritual side.

Quote from: The seerPretty much everything in this thread.

Though perhaps you might clear that up for me.
Is discordianism a spiritual and/or religious practice to you and/or ZK or do you treat it as something else? Because as it appears to me from the description you're describing socially desirable personality traits before someone can have the label "Discordian" so if you think of it that way it sounds more like a "good housekeeping" article.

I suppose that may have some kind of use in a religious sense but I don't see it having much to do with the spiritual side.

I can only speak for me, but:

1.  No, it's not a religion, to me...insomuch that I do not worship a minor Greek diety.  It is, instead, a way of life.   This, of course, leading to the question:  Discordianism...A religion, a philosophy, or just one more excuse for assholes?

2.  I don't see any spirituality in Discordianism, whatsoever.  It doesn't seem to be designed for that, as far as I can tell.  Seriously..."spirituality" involving hot dog buns?  That's as goofy as the Christians basing spirituality on an execution tool.

But Seer, does it even matter? :o

Quote from: ChlorineBut Seer, does it even matter? :o

maybe not to you.

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI can only speak for me, but:

1.  No, it's not a religion, to me...insomuch that I do not worship a minor Greek diety.  It is, instead, a way of life.   This, of course, leading to the question:  Discordianism...A religion, a philosophy, or just one more excuse for assholes?

2.  I don't see any spirituality in Discordianism, whatsoever.  It doesn't seem to be designed for that, as far as I can tell.  Seriously..."spirituality" involving hot dog buns?  That's as goofy as the Christians basing spirituality on an execution tool.

Roger. If Discordianism is about thinking outside the box, so to would any spiritual practice be thinking outside the box. For everything you've described, your thinking of it as a religion in comparison to other religions, The hot dog buns are a parody, a useless icon that is obviously useless, like all other religious icons, which are covertly useless.
Furthermore, the message reveals something about the reader, I ask you which person would be more spiritual. Someone who can only experience the divine inside a holy institution doing ritualised holy things with ordained holy figures officiating, or someone who can experience the divine by eating a sausage wrapped in a bread roll?

I'm very militant about that point, because as you may or may not becoming aware of, the world is run by religious people who only experience god in contrived settings. This actually makes them dangerous. There are various reasons why as I'm sure you could make a list.

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I'm very militant about that point, because as you may or may not becoming aware of, the world is run by religious people who only experience god in contrived settings. This actually makes them dangerous. There are various reasons why as I'm sure you could make a list.

You're militant about militancy?

Injecting some pseudo-spirituality into Discordianism would make it even more of a part of the problem than it already is.

Injecting the REAL thing would be even worse.

The world has too much spirituality already.  Let the other "religions" make shit up about an invisible world...we should be concentrating on the real world...because things are fucked up - VERY fucked up - and living in a dream world isn't going to make things any better.

There is no "mahdgjickque", there is no bearded liberal in the sky.  All of these lies are there to convince you to knuckle under, in expectation of better things that await you, if only you'll shut the hell up and play ball.

Fuck spirituality, in ANY form.  It's the problem, not the answer.

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Quote from: ChlorineBut Seer, does it even matter? :o

maybe not to you.

You're right!

Have fun then.

The message reveals something about the reader.

I actually agree with you and my position is unchanged.

So please say 'WTF?' and have a thought.

Quote from: The seerThe message reveals something about the reader.

I actually agree with you and my position is unchanged.

So please say 'WTF?' and have a thought.

1.  Don't come peddling you quantum mechanics around HERE, Mister Schroedinger!

2.  See #1, particle boi!

3.  I need no thoughts.  Gods are pretty static, you know.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: The seerThe message reveals something about the reader.

I actually agree with you and my position is unchanged.

So please say 'WTF?' and have a thought.

1.  Don't come peddling you quantum mechanics around HERE, Mister Schroedinger!

2.  See #1, particle boi!

3.  I need no thoughts.  Gods are pretty static, you know.

God damn you're thick! You know that?
Eris is not JHVH... dig?
No actually you don't get that obviously, somewhere along the line you pulled out a big 'ol box wrote "religions" on the side and stored buddha next to jim jones in the attic.

Dumbass...

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God damn you're thick! You know that?
Eris is not JHVH... dig?
No actually you don't get that obviously, somewhere along the line you pulled out a big 'ol box wrote "religions" on the side and stored buddha next to jim jones in the attic.

Dumbass...

1.  People have told me that, but people lie, so I never put much stock in it.

2.  Says you.  Jehovah = violent God that destroys civilizations when he gets pissed (Canaan).  Eris = violent God that destroys civilizations when she gets pissed (Troy).

3.  Jim Jones:  follow me, and you won't need those possessions.  Buddha:  Follow me, and you won't need those possessions.

All Gods are bad, whether or not they intend to be...this includes myself, obviously.  Gods may WANT to be benevolent, but they always wind up losing their temper with the uppity mortals and smashing them like bugs.

ya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted.  Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted.  Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

1.  Where was anything like that implied in the PD?

2.  No, usually you just need the most guns.  History is on my side on this one, I think.

3.  And the moment Discordianism becomes "spiritual", it will join the club.

4.  What if I LIKE being a jackass?  What if I think the average jerk is as deserving of my empathy as the average Guinea worm is?  Being a jackass because society tells you not to is Pink, but being a jackass because  that's your nature isn't, necessarily.  For example, I really hate people.  Should I show empathy?  Really?  Because the emotions I show aren't going to involve fluffy white clouds and pink monkeys, you know.  More likely, I'll POOMP my hatred all over the place...and I think everyone around here has had quite enough of THAT.  99.99999% of people are swine...my lack of empathy is all that is keeping me off of a watertower.

Argument I had with the wife:

"If I had my way I'd make you into a pessimist like me."
"We'll I'd win that struggle, because being a pessimist you'd give up before me."

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

It's more complex than simply being happy Roger. But at the core of it all is the optimism. I'm a thinking optimist.

Renko: you can't change everyone. Roger is a living lesson in this regard.

Roger: "I am the spirit in which children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy"

If I'm wrong I hereby start my own religion.

Quote from: The seerArgument I had with the wife:

"If I had my way I'd make you into a pessimist like me."
"We'll I'd win that struggle, because being a pessimist you'd give up before me."

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

It's more complex than simply being happy Roger. But at the core of it all is the optimism. I'm a thinking optimist.

1.  "Positive thinking", along with religion, is a major part of the reason the world is fucked up right now.  "Stop pumping shit into our atmosphere?  Why?  Everything's great...stop being a downer!   Things are looking up!"  *thud*  "The Iraqis will welcome us with candy and rose petals!" *thud*  "If I work hard and apply myself, I will succeed!" *thud*

2.  Thinking Optimist = 1 contradiction in terms.  Optimism is a disease...a rejection of the world as it REALLY is, which prepares you to deal with a non-real version of the world as you WISH it was.

Quote from: The seer

Roger: "I am the spirit in which children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy"

Huh?  "Dancing in the wildflowers", eh?  Well, I have bad news for you...the field is loaded with dioxin, the happy anarchy just turned into a riot, and the clown is really John Wayne Gasey.

That "happy anarchy" would last precisely as long as it would take for one kid to decide he wanted a smaller kid's toy.

And - even assuming the "happy anarchy" doesn't quickly turn into "the rule of the strongest", what the hell makes you think you'll be ALLOWED to dance, Mister Teh Pollyanna?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted.  Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

1.  Where was anything like that implied in the PD?

2.  No, usually you just need the most guns.  History is on my side on this one, I think.

3.  And the moment Discordianism becomes "spiritual", it will join the club.

4.  What if I LIKE being a jackass?  What if I think the average jerk is as deserving of my empathy as the average Guinea worm is?  Being a jackass because society tells you not to is Pink, but being a jackass because  that's your nature isn't, necessarily.  For example, I really hate people.  Should I show empathy?  Really?  Because the emotions I show aren't going to involve fluffy white clouds and pink monkeys, you know.  More likely, I'll POOMP my hatred all over the place...and I think everyone around here has had quite enough of THAT.  99.99999% of people are swine...my lack of empathy is all that is keeping me off of a watertower.

1. seer covered that with the happy anarchy quote.

2. Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Darwin, Copernicus. All these people incited huge amounts of change without a single gun. Thats the kind of revolution I want to be part of.

3. No, discordianism joins the club when it starts saying its members should act a certain way and that they should try and force other people to think like them.

4.Well I guess you and I differ here. Cuase I think 99% of people are good deepdown, just misguided by society and standards.

Which just goes to show how little you actually think.

You say it is impossible to be positive without being blind to all the goings wrong around us. There's nothing to say that a person cannot have hopes for  some kind of positive outcome while still acknowledging the state the planet is in. You embrace your negativity as being more true because you have set your impression of optimism as being inherently flawed.
You take one experience of an optimist and accuse all people who think positively of being shiny happy people. Sounds to me like you're a big believer in universals, like jim jones, pat robertson, Bush...

Quote from: renko


1. seer covered that with the happy anarchy quote.

2. Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Darwin, Copernicus. All these people incited huge amounts of change without a single gun. Thats the kind of revolution I want to be part of.

3. No, discordianism joins the club when it starts saying its members should act a certain way and that they should try and force other people to think like them.

4.Well I guess you and I differ here. Cuase I think 99% of people are good deepdown, just misguided by society and standards.

1.  Apples and oranges.

2.  You are, of course, aware of what happened to these people?

3.  Where did anyone say that?  The OP was expressing HIS view of Discordianism, not commanding you to behave in a certain way.  

4.  Um...they CREATED and ARE the fucking society and its standards.  Just saying.

TGRR,
Is just saying.

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted.  Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

That's about how I look at it.

be your self

the end.


now wasnt that easy?

Quote from: The seerWhich just goes to show how little you actually think.

You say it is impossible to be positive without being blind to all the goings wrong around us. There's nothing to say that a person cannot have hopes for  some kind of positive outcome while still acknowledging the state the planet is in. You embrace your negativity as being more true because you have set your impression of optimism as being inherently flawed.

You take one experience of an optimist and accuse all people who think positively of being shiny happy people. Sounds to me like you're a big believer in universals, like jim jones, pat robertson, Bush...

1.  Whoa...straight to the ad hominem, eh, monkey boy?  :lol:

2.  Nope.  I'm saying it is STUPID to be positive, not impossible.  People are positive all the fucking time...and what has it gotten us?  A polluted rock overcrowded with dumbasses who are only good at fucking just a bit faster than they kill each other.  And I embrace my negativity, because it has never steered me wrong.

3.  Woooo...and a strawman, too!  You, sir, are multi-talented.  On the other hand, I specifically stated that people being jackasses is NOT universal.  I think I allowed for a .000001 deviation, which I consider reasonable, if a little generous.

Quote from: mian tiao Fredbe your self

the end.


now wasnt that easy?

That method is so simple that hardly anybody believes it works.

Quote from: mian tiao Fredbe your self

the end.


now wasnt that easy?

I am.  But Buddhaboi thinks this makes me:  thick, Jim Jones, Pat Robertson, and unthinking.

:lol:

TGRR,
Loves poking the fluffies into making insults.  Because he was born wrong.

you all are just arguing on life perspective
which is rather pointless
that is why is it PERSPECTIVE
only you can  see it the way you see it
and no one really cares about other pepoles points of view
silly people!!

Quote from: mian tiao Fredyou all are just arguing on life perspective
which is rather pointless
that is why is it PERSPECTIVE
only you can  see it the way you see it
and no one really cares about other pepoles points of view
silly people!!

We should all argue about your point now.

Quote from: mian tiao Fredyou all are just arguing on life perspective
which is rather pointless
that is why is it PERSPECTIVE
only you can  see it the way you see it
and no one really cares about other pepoles points of view
silly people!!

Well, if we had anything BETTER to do, we wouldn't be here, would we?

:lol:

TGRR,
Loves strife (in this case, debate), for it's own sake.

Quote from: Chlorine

Quote from: mian tiao Fredyou all are just arguing on life perspective
which is rather pointless
that is why is it PERSPECTIVE
only you can  see it the way you see it
and no one really cares about other pepoles points of view
silly people!!

We should all argue about your point now.

When Mian Tiao Fred says something, there is no argument.

She is, after all, our sovereign.

FRED FER DICTATOR '08!  OR ELSE!

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: mian tiao Fredbe your self

the end.


now wasnt that easy?

I am.  But Buddhaboi thinks this makes me:  thick, Jim Jones, Pat Robertson, and unthinking.

:lol:

TGRR,
Loves poking the fluffies into making insults.  Because he was born wrong.

ah well. *hugs a cat*  :twisted:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: mian tiao Fredyou all are just arguing on life perspective
which is rather pointless
that is why is it PERSPECTIVE
only you can  see it the way you see it
and no one really cares about other pepoles points of view
silly people!!

Well, if we had anything BETTER to do, we wouldn't be here, would we?

:lol:

TGRR,
Loves strife (in this case, debate), for it's own sake.

yes yes i was just making this point, because i can

not that i really care.

arguing rocks

Quote from: The seer

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: mian tiao Fredbe your self

the end.


now wasnt that easy?

I am.  But Buddhaboi thinks this makes me:  thick, Jim Jones, Pat Robertson, and unthinking.

:lol:

TGRR,
Loves poking the fluffies into making insults.  Because he was born wrong.

ah well. *hugs a cat*  :twisted:

What can I say?  It's my nature.  :lol:

TGRR,
Knows that, and is comfortable with it.

Quote from: mian tiao Fred

yes yes i was just making this point, because i can

not that i really care.

arguing rocks

So, when do we sack Sweden, boss?

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1. seer covered that with the happy anarchy quote.

2. Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Darwin, Copernicus. All these people incited huge amounts of change without a single gun. Thats the kind of revolution I want to be part of.

3. No, discordianism joins the club when it starts saying its members should act a certain way and that they should try and force other people to think like them.

4.Well I guess you and I differ here. Cuase I think 99% of people are good deepdown, just misguided by society and standards.

1.  Apples and oranges.

2.  You are, of course, aware of what happened to these people?

3.  Where did anyone say that?  The OP was expressing HIS view of Discordianism, not commanding you to behave in a certain way.  

4.  Um...they CREATED and ARE the fucking society and its standards.  Just saying.

TGRR,
Is just saying.

1. ok then, we agree to disagree.

2. yea, but I bet you a trillion dollars, if they were brought back to life and  had the choice of either undoing their revolution, and surviving longer, or doing things exactly like they did. They would pick the second choice.

3. ok... well you win this section

4. Thats what that remaining 1% is for. More realisticly its probably a higher number, but there are a small percent of people running the show a huge amount of sheep, and then theres us. The guys running things are generally not good, and they just have alot of influence over the sheep-types.

I hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

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yes yes i was just making this point, because i can

not that i really care.

arguing rocks

So, when do we sack Sweden, boss?

umm...later (is supreme procrastinator)

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1. ok then, we agree to disagree.

2. yea, but I bet you a trillion dollars, if they were brought back to life and  had the choice of either undoing their revolution, and surviving longer, or doing things exactly like they did. They would pick the second choice.

3. ok... well you win this section

4. Thats what that remaining 1% is for. More realisticly its probably a higher number, but there are a small percent of people running the show a huge amount of sheep, and then theres us. The guys running things are generally not good, and they just have alot of influence over the sheep-types.

1.  Yep...at least until the revolution.  Then I will see to it that you get a sunny part of the wall.

2.  The world is infested with suckers, innit?

3.  :evil:

4.  Sheep deserve their fate, because they allow it.  Thus, they are part of the problem, not just victims.  I'd have a good laugh, if they weren't dragging us along with them.

Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

I love argueing. I have a debating addiction, and that gets you in as much trouble as a gambling addiction but its a million times more fun.

but I think weve debated this topic down to the point where weve made every point and no ones gonna change their minds. So I, personally will agree to disagree and cool down for a while.

Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

1.  Nothing else you do on an internet board gets you anywhere, either.  Just saying.

2.  What problems do you have in your face?  

TGRR,
Grammar Naz1

I like pears.

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Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

I love argueing. I have a debating addiction, and that gets you in as much trouble as a gambling addiction but its a million times more fun.

but I think weve debated this topic down to the point where weve made every point and no ones gonna change their minds. So I, personally will agree to disagree and cool down for a while.

1.  Go here:  http://capitolgrilling.com  that's all they do.

2.  And I will personally agree to drive my opponents into the desert.  Because gila monsters need love, too.

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Please go stand by the stairs.

You must be protected.

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Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

1.  Nothing else you do on an gloryhole board gets you anywhere, either.  Just saying.

2.  What problems do you have in your face?  

TGRR,
Grammar Naz1

I don't care about making progress with anything, really. Even though I just used lack of progress as an excuse to commit homocide.

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Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

1.  Nothing else you do on an gloryhole board gets you anywhere, either.  Just saying.

2.  What problems do you have in your face?  

TGRR,
Grammar Naz1

I don't care about making progress withing anything, really. Even though I just used lack of progress as an excuse to commit homocide.

Nihilism, eh?

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Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

1.  Nothing else you do on an gloryhole board gets you anywhere, either.  Just saying.

2.  What problems do you have in your face?  

TGRR,
Grammar Naz1

I don't care about making progress withing anything, really. Even though I just used lack of progress as an excuse to commit homocide.

Nihilism, eh?

More like Whateverism.

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Quote from: SchizzyI like pears.

Please go stand by the stairs.

You must be protected.

Elton John rocks.

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Quote from: ChlorineI hate arguing. It makes me sad and gets me nowhere.

I prefer to skip fighting and just ax murder my problems in the face right away. Much more rewarding.

1.  Nothing else you do on an gloryhole board gets you anywhere, either.  Just saying.

2.  What problems do you have in your face?  

TGRR,
Grammar Naz1

I don't care about making progress withing anything, really. Even though I just used lack of progress as an excuse to commit homocide.

Nihilism, eh?

More like Whateverism.

Nihilism.

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Quote from: SchizzyI like pears.

Please go stand by the stairs.

You must be protected.

Elton John rocks.

That isn't Elton John.

He liked rotten peaches.

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Quote from: SchizzyI like pears.

Please go stand by the stairs.

You must be protected.

Elton John rocks.

That isn't Elton John.

He liked rotten peaches.

I remember Jack Nicholson.

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Quote from: SchizzyI like pears.

Please go stand by the stairs.

You must be protected.

Elton John rocks.

That isn't Elton John.

He liked rotten peaches.

I remember Jack Nicholson.

Gibberish isn't as relevant or witty as it is made out to be, son.

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Quote from: SchizzyI like pears.

Please go stand by the stairs.

You must be protected.

Elton John rocks.

That isn't Elton John.

He liked rotten peaches.

I remember Jack Nicholson.

Gibberish isn't as relevant or witty as it is made out to be, son.

Just being true to my name, Pops.

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Just being true to my name, Pops.

That can only end in tears.

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Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

*ahem*

Shit Your Hate, or You Will DIE!

That is all.  You may now return to your labors.

TGRR,
Knows that it isn't supposed to be easy.  Didja think that I was ALWAYS Discordianism's bad guy?  That took a lot of hard work, you know.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

Well discordianism never demanded consistency.

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Just being true to my name, Pops.

That can only end in tears.

Should I change my name to 'Saniac'?  Hey, how about them marshmallows?

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

Well discordianism never demanded consistency.

Except in the case of us bad guys. :lol:

Except that relevance is irrelevant to plums.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

Well discordianism never demanded consistency.

That's why I like it.

I don't mind having everchanging philosophies, but other people seem agitated/confused by it. There's alot of stuff I am decided on though, and my opinions are likely to anger people, so mostly I just avoid the subject when I'm among those who 'don't get it.'

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

Well discordianism never demanded consistency.

That's why I like it.

I don't mind having everchanging philosophies, but other people seem agitated/confused by it. There's alot of stuff I am decided on though, and my opinions are likely to anger people, so mostly I just avoid the subject when I'm among those who 'don't get it.'

What's wrong with angering people?

Problem with people is, they never get angry enough.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

Well discordianism never demanded consistency.

That's why I like it.

I don't mind having everchanging philosophies, but other people seem agitated/confused by it. There's alot of stuff I am decided on though, and my opinions are likely to anger people, so mostly I just avoid the subject when I'm among those who 'don't get it.'

What's wrong with angering people?

Problem with people is, they never get angry enough.

Haha.

I don't know, I just don't like to. Or...More, I just don't like explaining myself. Like I'm doing now. Though I do like watching Harry Potter, which I'm also doing now.

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You, sir, are an HTML genius.

:evil:  :?:  :oops:

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerNihilism.

Mmkay. My beleifs change too much and too often for me to properly define them anyway...Discussing them is somewhat difficult and mildly unpleasant for me.

Well discordianism never demanded consistency.

That's why I like it.

I don't mind having everchanging philosophies, but other people seem agitated/confused by it. There's alot of stuff I am decided on though, and my opinions are likely to anger people, so mostly I just avoid the subject when I'm among those who 'don't get it.'

What's wrong with angering people?

Problem with people is, they never get angry enough.

Haha.

I don't know, I just don't like to. Or...More, I just don't like explaining myself. Like I'm doing now. Though I do like watching Harry Potter, which I'm also doing now.

The Good Reverend has that effect on people.

Harry Potter is a hoot...I love how the Wizard world is JUST LIKE OURS, with different names and currencies to make it "different".

Take away his wand, and give him a 9MM, and you couldn't pick him out of a crowd in Chicago.

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You imaged the link, right?

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe Good Reverend has that effect on people.

Harry Potter is a hoot...I love how the Wizard world is JUST LIKE OURS, with different names and currencies to make it "different".

Take away his wand, and give him a 9MM, and you couldn't pick him out of a crowd in Chicago.

:D

I don't remember why I thought so, but I was watching the third movie and it seemed to be riddled with pedophilic undertones...

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe Good Reverend has that effect on people.

Harry Potter is a hoot...I love how the Wizard world is JUST LIKE OURS, with different names and currencies to make it "different".

Take away his wand, and give him a 9MM, and you couldn't pick him out of a crowd in Chicago.

:D

I don't remember why I thought so, but I was watching the third movie and it seemed to be riddled with pedophilic undertones...

Um...I don't see where you got those...

TGRR,
Thinks the books were actually quite good, due to the disillusionment thingie, but hasn't seen the movies.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe Good Reverend has that effect on people.

Harry Potter is a hoot...I love how the Wizard world is JUST LIKE OURS, with different names and currencies to make it "different".

Take away his wand, and give him a 9MM, and you couldn't pick him out of a crowd in Chicago.

:D

I don't remember why I thought so, but I was watching the third movie and it seemed to be riddled with pedophilic undertones...

Um...I don't see where you got those...

TGRR,
Thinks the books were actually quite good, due to the disillusionment thingie, but hasn't seen the movies.

I've only read up to the 4th book. I'm going to leave now. I'm starting to lose the desire to make sense. I'll probably come back soon.

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Quote from: Chlorine

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe Good Reverend has that effect on people.

Harry Potter is a hoot...I love how the Wizard world is JUST LIKE OURS, with different names and currencies to make it "different".

Take away his wand, and give him a 9MM, and you couldn't pick him out of a crowd in Chicago.

:D

I don't remember why I thought so, but I was watching the third movie and it seemed to be riddled with pedophilic undertones...

Um...I don't see where you got those...

TGRR,
Thinks the books were actually quite good, due to the disillusionment thingie, but hasn't seen the movies.

I've only read up to the 4th book. I'm going to leave now. I'm starting to lose the desire to make sense. I'll probably come back soon.

The last book is, IMo, the best.

What did you do, torture the author for a manuscript?

:lol:

Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_WannabeWhat did you do, torture the author for a manuscript?

:lol:

Nope.  I just used my divine powers to look at the book before it is written.

You'll never guess what Snape can do with Hermoine and a fruit rollup.

Okay, time to put in my 2 pence (thats like an hours pay in Americorp, right?).

Anyway, I dont think the OP was trying to say this is how Discordians should be, more that based on his experience, probably at the hands of us terrible people, this is how Discordians are generally like.  A description, rather than proscription.

Anyway, where did all this happy nonsense come from?  As far as I recall, Eris was the goddess of (among other things) strife, something modern Discordians bought into.  Hell, why else do we applaud Bush and Bin Laden and a host of others as Eristic Avatars?  They cause Discord and Chaos and lead to Strife.  The only "evil" in Discordianism is order for the sake of it, believing order to be a good, regardless of its consequences.  Sure, Eris may have mellowed over time, but the last time She was spotted she was spawning demons and dragging dead bodies around battlefields.  Its not that hard to mellow from there.

The current paradigm can be changed without violence...but normally the Gods favour the sides with the biggest guns, the best trained troops and the largest regiments.  Besides, what has "progress" gotten us?  A more sophisticated cage, with slightly shinier goods?  Thats how They buy you off.  Just look at how worker militancy has faded in the first world, for an example.  Oh, and better weapons, cant forget the better weapons as an example of progress...

Most people are not good.  Most people are small minded, conservative, not to smart and distrustful of cleverness in other people.  And it gets worse.  Even sheep are better than most people, becuse at least sheep dont try and take a bit out of each other when running from the wolves.  Soon enough you'll see its not that society in and of itself is bad, but the people involved in it are.  Its not that we have the wrong sort of politics, religion or whatever, its the wrong sort of people who create the damn system that exists!

Hesiod wrote about Eris as haing two Facets.

Quoteo, after all, there was not one kind of Strife alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.

For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods, men pay harsh Strife her honour due.

But the other is the elder daughter of dark Night (Nyx), and the son of Cronus who sits above and dwells in the aether, set her in the roots of the earth: and she is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil; for a man grows eager to work when he considers his neighbour, a rich man who hastens to plough and plant and put his house in good order; and neighbour vies with is neighbour as he hurries after wealth. This Strife is wholesome for men. And potter is angry with potter, and craftsman with craftsman, and beggar is jealous of beggar, and minstrel of minstrel.

We know history favours the victors, and as such so do the gods, because they are the victors correct? honest citizens of their empire? How can the gods not favour them as leaders, and victorious at that?

If you notice however, Eris herself has never been known to favour anyone, Even Hesiod fails to mention that. He mentions the jealousy between individuals, that makes them compete. Yet Eris herself has said:

QuoteI have come to tell you that you are free. Many ages ago, My consciousness left man, that he might develop himself. I return to find this development approaching completion, but hindered by fear and by misunderstanding.

    You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.

   I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.

Eris is the unease and the creative impulse. The happiness shit you speak of has nothing at all to do with sitting in the corner chanting "all is calm, all is well" You'd have to be thick to do that anyway. But if eris is the spirit in which children and clowns frollic, is there not some form of happiness to be sought?

Can happiness only be mindless? And to seek it as a goal is to do nothing but think happy thoughts is it? to deny reality?

As an optimist I'm talking about the other axis of the graph: (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/70.php) Creative/Destructive. Greyface asserted that the important divide was between order and disorder, and as the principia points out we are thus left with all of the destructive aspects of order as well as its creative aspects. To emphasise chaos purely as a desrective process is to take greyface, stand him on his head, and read him upside down; There's a subtle difference which gives you a crick in the neck.

Ultimately then having dismissed chaos as purely destructive and order as ultimately destructive and spirit-crushing we embrace nihlism, because there is nothing of worth to be gained, nothing above or below us. Now perhaps it is time to add:

"There is what is said and what is done
What is done reveals what is felt
And just as the bitter heart finds no Joy,
so too does the bitter leader create no joyous followers.[/list:u]

Simply put, if you believe that chaos and order are ultimately fruitless then your nihlism will be just as negative. John Lenon said a nihlistic thing or two:
"Imagine there's no heaven.
It's easy if you try
No Hell below us.
Above us only sky"

Now was he optimistic or pessimistic in that instance?

I disagree with the thesis that predominant human behaviours are natural and unchangeable, that's an excuse used to justify both helpless rage and centuries of idiocy. And yet in one breath, while acknowledging the role of consciousness in behaviour and it's manipulation you say it is unchangeable.

As an optimist I say that is false, and I am called mindless and misguided? I find that odd. What keeps you alive if the machine is only going to crush you and spit out your bones?

If Im not mistaken, discordianism isnt just about embracing disorder is it? ITs all about realizing that both order and disorder are neccecary components of the world and both will always exist. I mean isnt that what the Chao is? or when it talks about the eristic and aneristic illusions, it specifically says that both are illusions. Discordianism is about embracing creativity, both orderly creativity and disorderly creativity, over destruction of any kind. Ill qutoe the principia at length:

" To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder.
 The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.
 POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable."

That page alone was what made me go and read the rest of the PD and to me its still the best simple summary of the philisophy discordianism around.
You guys seem to be missing this fact, that discordians are not trying to destroy, we are trying to create. This is how I interperate the PD and you guys seem to be going the other way with it.

If you think they're missing the point, just ignore them and go on with your business. That's what I do. Go to the grocery store and cruise the aisles for free sample stands. That's also what I do.

QuoteAs an optimist I say that is false, and I am called mindless and misguided? I find that odd. What keeps you alive if the machine is only going to crush you and spit out your bones?

In TGGR's case, pure raw vengfull hatred. In mine, ascthetics, and a few other principles. Plus, the anticipation of "The Lemmings at the Cliff".

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QuoteAs an optimist I say that is false, and I am called mindless and misguided? I find that odd. What keeps you alive if the machine is only going to crush you and spit out your bones?

In TGGR's case, pure raw vengfull hatred. In mine, ascthetics, and a few other principles. Plus, the anticipation of "The Lemmings at the Cliff".

plus
the inability to die


(FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK)

It is also considered (by me) a discordian virtue to disagree.

You're all doing great!

Quote from: nurbldoffIt is also considered (by me) a discordian virtue to disagree.

You're all doing great!

I agree.

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QuoteAs an optimist I say that is false, and I am called mindless and misguided? I find that odd. What keeps you alive if the machine is only going to crush you and spit out your bones?

In TGGR's case, pure raw vengfull hatred. In mine, ascthetics, and a few other principles. Plus, the anticipation of "The Lemmings at the Cliff".

plus
the inability to die


(FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK)

Well, yeah, for Roger. I, personally, have not had any attacks on my life yet, so I wouldn't know if that applies to me. Most likely its just that no one can garantee satisfaction, as usual. 8)

Quote from: The seerPretty much everything in this thread.

Though perhaps you might clear that up for me.
Is discordianism a spiritual and/or religious practice to you and/or ZK or do you treat it as something else? Because as it appears to me from the description you're describing socially desirable personality traits before someone can have the label "Discordian" so if you think of it that way it sounds more like a "good housekeeping" article.

I suppose that may have some kind of use in a religious sense but I don't see it having much to do with the spiritual side.

That's a good question, my friend Seer.  And here is your answer:

Religion as a whole seeks to promote certain traits among it's members, first in the realm of changing (or reinforcing) certain thought patterns, which then filter down into words and actions (assuming the change has taken place properly).  Discordianism does the same thing.  There is a model of human behavior given, and social thought patterns broken down and reconstructed that are unique to Discordianism and Discordians.  The reason (as I see it) that these thought patterns are succesful (and what makes them different) is that instead of attempting to reconstruct, Discordianism seems to simply reinforce ANY thought pattern, no matter how absurd, but it all comes with the simple caveat that Eris will play with you, just for fun (hers not yours).  (Please to note: I just got off a 9 hour shift at wal-mart so my brain is a touch fried, if I am unclear, ask and I shall fix it).

And, I don't see Discordianism so much as a spirituality or a religion.  I think it can be a doorway to religion in someways.  I'm sure I know what I mean, and if it interests you I will explain it tomorrow when I'm more awake.

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I'm very militant about that point, because as you may or may not becoming aware of, the world is run by religious people who only experience god in contrived settings. This actually makes them dangerous. There are various reasons why as I'm sure you could make a list.

You sir, amuse me.  They are somehow more dangerous because they've experianced "God" in a contrived setting?  No, they're dangerous because they like to play.  Just like Eris, they play the game for the game's sake.  Do I like them for it?  Not really.  Do I like Eris for it?  Some days.  Why?  Because I feel like I should be able to change something about the what Bush, Dick and his crew are doing.  But, I haven't gotten off my ass to do anything, so what right do I really have to whine if I won't try to get things changed?  These "dangerous" people probably haven't experianced "God" in any setting, or if they have they were to stupid to notice (or possibily too smart to believe it).  Trying to use religion as your measure of a man shows me you're no better then them.

Ohh, and Seer, insulting Roger isn't the best way to...ahh what the hell, do it.  I'm sure I'll have a laugh if you get on his nerves.

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted. Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

You missed the point.  The whole entire point.  The point is not to be laid-back, fun-loving, and to shoot rainbows out of your ass.  The point she is a Goddess of CHAOS and STRIFE.  You have both Constructive and Destructive Chaos.  Sure, sure, sure, that includes love and light, but don't try to limit it to love and light.  Experiance the whole fucking range of emotion.

And, fuck society.  Somehow I think some of the people remaining silent on this topic (Hugh and Bella come to mind) would agree, at least on some level.  Both of them, while nice and polite when appropriate will still tell you to go KYSNFTB (or better yet, let someone else do it) if you step out of line.  It's just a bit harder to get them to say it.  

If you really want to change things, you're going to stand up and make a riot.  Not sit on your ass agreeing that "yes, something needs to be done"  or, "ohh, I feel so sorry for those thousands of kids that DIE OF STARVATION every day, but I want to buy a new CD so they can starve."  That's called being a fat-shit.  If you think anything is going to change through agreeability and sympathy, you've got your head screwed on the wrong way.

Love is certainly an important component to changing something, but not the kind you mean.  It's a tough love, that is dedication not a, "I love everybody" while tripping on mushrooms or whatever spiritual nonsense is getting you through the day.  A labour of love requires commitment and sacrifice.  Not empty words about what is wrong or right in the world.

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I think I have a newfound respect for you, Mr Zurtok.  I would have answered my original point before now, but I have a honking great paper on Alexandrain poetry that still needs to be killed off.

Quote from: The seerWhich just goes to show how little you actually think.

You say it is impossible to be positive without being blind to all the goings wrong around us. There's nothing to say that a person cannot have hopes for  some kind of positive outcome while still acknowledging the state the planet is in. You embrace your negativity as being more true because you have set your impression of optimism as being inherently flawed.
You take one experience of an optimist and accuse all people who think positively of being shiny happy people. Sounds to me like you're a big believer in universals, like jim jones, pat robertson, Bush...

Looking at reality a certain way and calling it pessimism is to deny what it is.  The same goes for optimism.  Stop trying to apply value judgements to EVERYTHING IN THE FUCKING WORLD.
(which is basically what Fred already said)

ROGER:  You're welcome to use it however you want (although I will be editing it soon...so you might want to wait) as long as I'm credited as follows:

QuoteZurtok Khan
12/10/2005

That is all for you.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE THINGS LITTERALLY: (Seer and Renko)  You have missed the point.  You deserve to work for GWB.  Even he knows some things aren't litteral (even if he can't pronounce it).

That is all.

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted.  Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

HIPPIE!!!

:x

Quote from: renkoIf Im not mistaken, discordianism isnt just about embracing disorder is it? ITs all about realizing that both order and disorder are neccecary components of the world and both will always exist. I mean isnt that what the Chao is? or when it talks about the eristic and aneristic illusions, it specifically says that both are illusions. Discordianism is about embracing creativity, both orderly creativity and disorderly creativity, over destruction of any kind. Ill qutoe the principia at length:

" To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder.
 The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.
 POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable."

That page alone was what made me go and read the rest of the PD and to me its still the best simple summary of the philisophy discordianism around.
You guys seem to be missing this fact, that discordians are not trying to destroy, we are trying to create. This is how I interperate the PD and you guys seem to be going the other way with it.

POEE != all Discordians

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The seerPretty much everything in this thread.

Though perhaps you might clear that up for me.
Is discordianism a spiritual and/or religious practice to you and/or ZK or do you treat it as something else? Because as it appears to me from the description you're describing socially desirable personality traits before someone can have the label "Discordian" so if you think of it that way it sounds more like a "good housekeeping" article.

I suppose that may have some kind of use in a religious sense but I don't see it having much to do with the spiritual side.

That's a good question, my friend Seer.  And here is your answer:

Religion as a whole seeks to promote certain traits among it's members, first in the realm of changing (or reinforcing) certain thought patterns, which then filter down into words and actions (assuming the change has taken place properly).  Discordianism does the same thing.  There is a model of human behavior given, and social thought patterns broken down and reconstructed that are unique to Discordianism and Discordians.  The reason (as I see it) that these thought patterns are succesful (and what makes them different) is that instead of attempting to reconstruct, Discordianism seems to simply reinforce ANY thought pattern, no matter how absurd, but it all comes with the simple caveat that Eris will play with you, just for fun (hers not yours).  (Please to note: I just got off a 9 hour shift at wal-mart so my brain is a touch fried, if I am unclear, ask and I shall fix it).

And, I don't see Discordianism so much as a spirituality or a religion.  I think it can be a doorway to religion in someways.  I'm sure I know what I mean, and if it interests you I will explain it tomorrow when I'm more awake.

Quote from: The seer
I'm very militant about that point, because as you may or may not becoming aware of, the world is run by religious people who only experience god in contrived settings. This actually makes them dangerous. There are various reasons why as I'm sure you could make a list.

You sir, amuse me.  They are somehow more dangerous because they've experianced "God" in a contrived setting?  No, they're dangerous because they like to play.  Just like Eris, they play the game for the game's sake.  Do I like them for it?  Not really.  Do I like Eris for it?  Some days.  Why?  Because I feel like I should be able to change something about the what Bush, Dick and his crew are doing.  But, I haven't gotten off my ass to do anything, so what right do I really have to whine if I won't try to get things changed?  These "dangerous" people probably haven't experianced "God" in any setting, or if they have they were to stupid to notice (or possibily too smart to believe it).  Trying to use religion as your measure of a man shows me you're no better then them.

Ohh, and Seer, insulting Roger isn't the best way to...ahh what the hell, do it.  I'm sure I'll have a laugh if you get on his nerves.

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted. Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

You missed the point.  The whole entire point.  The point is not to be laid-back, fun-loving, and to shoot rainbows out of your ass.  The point she is a Goddess of CHAOS and STRIFE.  You have both Constructive and Destructive Chaos.  Sure, sure, sure, that includes love and light, but don't try to limit it to love and light.  Experiance the whole fucking range of emotion.

And, fuck society.  Somehow I think some of the people remaining silent on this topic (Death to Poultry and She Who Eats Souls come to mind) would agree, at least on some level.  Both of them, while nice and polite when appropriate will still tell you to go KYSNFTB (or better yet, let someone else do it) if you step out of line.  It's just a bit harder to get them to say it.  

If you really want to change things, you're going to stand up and make a riot.  Not sit on your ass agreeing that "yes, something needs to be done"  or, "ohh, I feel so sorry for those thousands of kids that DIE OF STARVATION every day, but I want to buy a new CD so they can starve."  That's called being a fat-shit.  If you think anything is going to change through agreeability and sympathy, you've got your head screwed on the wrong way.

Love is certainly an important component to changing something, but not the kind you mean.  It's a tough love, that is dedication not a, "I love everybody" while tripping on mushrooms or whatever spiritual nonsense is getting you through the day.  A labour of love requires commitment and sacrifice.  Not empty words about what is wrong or right in the world.

[/quote]

wow.

ZK, my entire opinion of you (which really wasn't based on anything substantial to begin with) just did a 180 with this post.

fucking rah.

tho this is not a definition of discordian

it is becoming (painfully) apparent that being trapped in a special part of hell
comes along with the discordian point of view

the whole self-defeating sentiment about 'i havent got off my ass' is starting to lose weight
the alternative to getting off your ass appears to be getting your ass blown to smithereens
or
'getting lost'

trapped
if we are going to acknowledge the machine and all its subtle attributes
we lose the innocence of being able to say 'but you havent tried anything'

this is not a suicide bomber discussion forum
nor is it a happy-slappy-fun-place

it is a waiting room
possibly until column a and column b cancel each other out



and while here in the waiting room
it looks like a lot of us got different hobbies
some take theirs more serious than others

1. Re: Creation, destruction, etc:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/TheNewChart.jpg)
For further explaination, see "The New Chart" thread, buried around here somewhere.

2.  If we're all doomed, as TGRR keeps telling us, and if the ride is better than the destination, as TGRR also recently told us, why shouldn't we have fun while we're at it?

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured.

That is because the PD was written by a couple of hippies.  In the (paraphrased) words of Hunter S Thompson, the hippies managed to peel back the skin of reality, but they couldn't handle what was lurking underneath.  This is why nobody's going around blowing rainbows out of their asses any more, because they last about as long as a cow in a piranha tank.  

Nobody who lives in this day and age can ever be as optimistic as Thornley and the other dude, whatever his name is, and we can't prance about giving people daisies and raspberries.  It is time to be a shark among sharks, cause all the goldfish have long been eaten.

Quote from: Rabid Badger of God

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured.

That is because the PD was written by a couple of hippies.  In the (paraphrased) words of Hunter S Thompson, the hippies managed to peel back the skin of reality, but they couldn't handle what was lurking underneath.  This is why nobody's going around blowing rainbows out of their asses any more, because they last about as long as a cow in a piranha tank.  

Nobody who lives in this day and age can ever be as optimistic as Thornley and the other dude, whatever his name is, and we can't prance about giving people daisies and raspberries.  It is time to be a shark among sharks, cause all the goldfish have long been eaten.

true

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted. Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

You missed the point.  The whole entire point.  The point is not to be laid-back, fun-loving, and to shoot rainbows out of your ass.  The point she is a Goddess of CHAOS and STRIFE.  You have both Constructive and Destructive Chaos.  Sure, sure, sure, that includes love and light, but don't try to limit it to love and light.  Experiance the whole fucking range of emotion.

And, fuck society.  Somehow I think some of the people remaining silent on this topic (Death to Poultry and She Who Eats Souls come to mind) would agree, at least on some level.  Both of them, while nice and polite when appropriate will still tell you to go KYSNFTB (or better yet, let someone else do it) if you step out of line.  It's just a bit harder to get them to say it.  

If you really want to change things, you're going to stand up and make a riot.  Not sit on your ass agreeing that "yes, something needs to be done"  or, "ohh, I feel so sorry for those thousands of kids that DIE OF STARVATION every day, but I want to buy a new CD so they can starve."  That's called being a fat-shit.  If you think anything is going to change through agreeability and sympathy, you've got your head screwed on the wrong way.

Love is certainly an important component to changing something, but not the kind you mean.  It's a tough love, that is dedication not a, "I love everybody" while tripping on mushrooms or whatever spiritual nonsense is getting you through the day.  A labour of love requires commitment and sacrifice.  Not empty words about what is wrong or right in the world.

[/quote]

Well I think this PD quote sums up this whole arguement "This book is a mirror"
But I will continue to argue my point:
I dont belive in a literal eris. I doubt you do either. Shes may be the godess of Chaos and Strife, but thats irrelavant, she just represents one end of the spectrum, the eristic side. But as the five fingered hand, the hodge podge, and the little creation/destruction chart all depict: Eristic values are not the only thing neccesary. The PD expects that you already know alll about the Aneristic side of things, becuase thats what the entire rest of the world is. Its introducing you to the other side of the coin: eris, so you can realize that both sides are equal and reject the destructive parts of each. I quote the PD "But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder." just check out page 00063, its all right there.
So see, no destructive parts are neccecary. all creative.

wow.

thanks for quoting that insipid little pamphlet to us as if it were dogma.

0/10

Quote from: East Coast Hustlewow.

thanks for quoting that insipid little pamphlet to us as if it were dogma.

0/10

which quote? the mirror thing? I was just makin the point that No matter what you read you interperate it to mean what you already thought. I dont think anyone has been profoundly changed by the principia. We all are just using the PD back up ideas we already had. Thats what this arguement. is all about.

And the other quote I used is there because it sums up all of discordianism for me. Thats my favorite page of the PD. I dont think its dogma, I just agree with it and it seems to back up my point. I offered it up as a point, but not an irrefutable one

I'm reminded of the original jihad against 'serious discordians'. Hard to believe that discordians would take anything, let alone themselves, very seriously.

Quote from: Z¬?I'm reminded of the original jihad against 'serious discordians'. Hard to believe that discordians would take anything, let alone themselves, very seriously.

ITs not very discordian to take yourself seriously, but it is very discordian to debate. Disagreeing and argueing are very discordian things.

I DISAGREE!!!1

Quote from: The seerBut if eris is the spirit in which children and clowns frollic, is there not some form of happiness to be sought?

She isn't.

Quote from: LHX

Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe

QuoteAs an optimist I say that is false, and I am called mindless and misguided? I find that odd. What keeps you alive if the machine is only going to crush you and spit out your bones?

In TGGR's case, pure raw vengfull hatred. In mine, ascthetics, and a few other principles. Plus, the anticipation of "The Lemmings at the Cliff".

plus
the inability to die


(FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK)

Tell me about it. (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mad.gif)

Quote from: erotic1. Re: Creation, destruction, etc:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/TheNewChart.jpg)
For further explaination, see "The New Chart" thread, buried around here somewhere.

2.  If we're all doomed, as TGRR keeps telling us, and if the ride is better than the destination, as TGRR also recently told us, why shouldn't we have fun while we're at it?

I have ALWAYS said that we should get our yuks in while we can.

I, for one, prefer to get MINE at the expense of the shitheads who got us into this mess (and that means EVERY-"BOB"DAMN-BODY).

Quote from: Rabid Badger of God

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured.

That is because the PD was written by a couple of hippies.  In the (paraphrased) words of Hunter S Thompson, the hippies managed to peel back the skin of reality, but they couldn't handle what was lurking underneath.  This is why nobody's going around blowing rainbows out of their asses any more, because they last about as long as a cow in a piranha tank.  

Nobody who lives in this day and age can ever be as optimistic as Thornley and the other dude, whatever his name is, and we can't prance about giving people daisies and raspberries.  It is time to be a shark among sharks, cause all the goldfish have long been eaten.

THIS IS THE CORRECT HELL-IN-A-BUCKET.

Quote from: renko

Quote from: Z¬?I'm reminded of the original jihad against 'serious discordians'. Hard to believe that discordians would take anything, let alone themselves, very seriously.

ITs not very discordian to take yourself seriously,

but it is very discordian to debate.

Disagreeing and argueing are very discordian things.

1.  Sez who?

2.  Actually, it's very discordian to burn down the cities of those that disagree with you.

3.  See #2.

Hahah...

Quote from: ChlorineHahah...

People take senseless violence way too seriously.

I'm just in it for the laffs.

People take alot of stuff too seriously.

And then they don't shut up.

Quote from: ChlorinePeople take alot of stuff too seriously.

And then they don't shut up.

Um...then don't click?

TGRR,
Thinks the solution is self-evident.

That's what I've been doing.

Except now.

:o

Quote from: ChlorineThat's what I've been doing.

Except now.

:o

DOOBEEDOOBEEDOOOOOOOOO
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(http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/best_picture_ever.jpg)

Hahaha.

Why are we raping this thread? :(

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/wannabeshoes/bald.jpg)

Quote from: ChlorineHahaha.

Why are we raping this thread? :(

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/wannabeshoes/bald.jpg)

Look at the way it's dressed!

Appaling.

I thought they banned wearing babies?

Quote from: ChlorineAppaling.

I thought they banned wearing babies?

Naw.  The Mothers March Against Clothes had a hissy fit.

Quote from: East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The seerPretty much everything in this thread.

Though perhaps you might clear that up for me.
Is discordianism a spiritual and/or religious practice to you and/or ZK or do you treat it as something else? Because as it appears to me from the description you're describing socially desirable personality traits before someone can have the label "Discordian" so if you think of it that way it sounds more like a "good housekeeping" article.

I suppose that may have some kind of use in a religious sense but I don't see it having much to do with the spiritual side.

That's a good question, my friend Seer.  And here is your answer:

Religion as a whole seeks to promote certain traits among it's members, first in the realm of changing (or reinforcing) certain thought patterns, which then filter down into words and actions (assuming the change has taken place properly).  Discordianism does the same thing.  There is a model of human behavior given, and social thought patterns broken down and reconstructed that are unique to Discordianism and Discordians.  The reason (as I see it) that these thought patterns are succesful (and what makes them different) is that instead of attempting to reconstruct, Discordianism seems to simply reinforce ANY thought pattern, no matter how absurd, but it all comes with the simple caveat that Eris will play with you, just for fun (hers not yours).  (Please to note: I just got off a 9 hour shift at wal-mart so my brain is a touch fried, if I am unclear, ask and I shall fix it).

And, I don't see Discordianism so much as a spirituality or a religion.  I think it can be a doorway to religion in someways.  I'm sure I know what I mean, and if it interests you I will explain it tomorrow when I'm more awake.

Quote from: The seer
I'm very militant about that point, because as you may or may not becoming aware of, the world is run by religious people who only experience god in contrived settings. This actually makes them dangerous. There are various reasons why as I'm sure you could make a list.

You sir, amuse me.  They are somehow more dangerous because they've experianced "God" in a contrived setting?  No, they're dangerous because they like to play.  Just like Eris, they play the game for the game's sake.  Do I like them for it?  Not really.  Do I like Eris for it?  Some days.  Why?  Because I feel like I should be able to change something about the what Bush, Dick and his crew are doing.  But, I haven't gotten off my ass to do anything, so what right do I really have to whine if I won't try to get things changed?  These "dangerous" people probably haven't experianced "God" in any setting, or if they have they were to stupid to notice (or possibily too smart to believe it).  Trying to use religion as your measure of a man shows me you're no better then them.

Ohh, and Seer, insulting Roger isn't the best way to...ahh what the hell, do it.  I'm sure I'll have a laugh if you get on his nerves.

Quote from: renkoya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted. Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

You missed the point.  The whole entire point.  The point is not to be laid-back, fun-loving, and to shoot rainbows out of your ass.  The point she is a Goddess of CHAOS and STRIFE.  You have both Constructive and Destructive Chaos.  Sure, sure, sure, that includes love and light, but don't try to limit it to love and light.  Experiance the whole fucking range of emotion.

And, fuck society.  Somehow I think some of the people remaining silent on this topic (Death to Poultry and She Who Eats Souls come to mind) would agree, at least on some level.  Both of them, while nice and polite when appropriate will still tell you to go KYSNFTB (or better yet, let someone else do it) if you step out of line.  It's just a bit harder to get them to say it.  

If you really want to change things, you're going to stand up and make a riot.  Not sit on your ass agreeing that "yes, something needs to be done"  or, "ohh, I feel so sorry for those thousands of kids that DIE OF STARVATION every day, but I want to buy a new CD so they can starve."  That's called being a fat-shit.  If you think anything is going to change through agreeability and sympathy, you've got your head screwed on the wrong way.

Love is certainly an important component to changing something, but not the kind you mean.  It's a tough love, that is dedication not a, "I love everybody" while tripping on mushrooms or whatever spiritual nonsense is getting you through the day.  A labour of love requires commitment and sacrifice.  Not empty words about what is wrong or right in the world.

wow.

ZK, my entire opinion of you (which really wasn't based on anything substantial to begin with) just did a 180 with this post.

fucking rah.[/quote]

Btw, does this mean I'm allowed at POEE, UK?

I never had an objection, neither did Syn (who actually owns the place), so I believe so.

yeah, I mean, what the fuck? you should know not to listen to me when I get like that.

Quote from: East Coast Hustleyeah, I mean, what the fuck? you should know not to listen to me when I get like that.

I was just wondering how much of an asshole I'd have to be to pop in over there and actually post (I lurk there occasionally, actually).

Being an asshole is too much effort for me to do for long, so you'll be in good company.

Precisely the problem I have, actually.

Although, it can certainly be fun in the short term.

Yuo all R all rong.

Eris fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

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Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCYuo all R all rong.

Eris fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

<submit now and get our special half off bottled air special!>

*kicks Hugh in the balls for steppin' on his post*

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Eric fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

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man, I read it like this first and almost lost it.

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Eris fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

<submit now and get our special half off bottled air special!>

and she doesnt even enjoy it

crazy whore

Quote from: LHX

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCYuo all R all rong.

Eris fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

<submit now and get our special half off bottled air special!>

and she doesnt even enjoy it

crazy whore

She just doesn't enjoy it when it's with YOU.

She likes it just fine when she's with me.

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about!

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: LHX

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCYuo all R all rong.

Eris fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

<submit now and get our special half off bottled air special!>

and she doesnt even enjoy it

crazy whore

She just doesn't enjoy it when it's with YOU.

She likes it just fine when she's with me.

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about!

...


sound like the eris look-alike is at it again


i dont know how he gets away with it

Quote from: LHX

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: LHX

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCYuo all R all rong.

Eris fucks us all/

in the end

in the middle

in the end.

<submit now and get our special half off bottled air special!>

and she doesnt even enjoy it

crazy whore

She just doesn't enjoy it when it's with YOU.

She likes it just fine when she's with me.

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about!

...


sound like the eris look-alike is at it again


i dont know how he gets away with it

I gather he tapes it back.

Don't tell Zurtok.

<--- Knows Eris is a man AND a woman.

Quote from: Zurtok KhanHopes Eris is a man AND a woman.

dont know what to tell you

Quote from: Zurtok Khan<--- Knows Eris is a man AND a woman.

Well, since we're just making shit up, she's also a golden gloves boxer that beats up nuns, and eats live puppies.

And she's Australian.

Quote from: Fizzwitz GlorypoopAnd she's Australian.

AUSTRIAN.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Fizzwitz GlorypoopAnd she's Australian.

AUSTRIAN.

Yes, Eris is also a Hapsburg!

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Fizzwitz GlorypoopAnd she's Australian.

AUSTRIAN.

Yes, Eris is also a Hapsburg!

Naw.  Third rate painter.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Fizzwitz GlorypoopAnd she's Australian.

AUSTRIAN.

Yes, Eris is also a Hapsburg!

Naw.  Third rate painter.

They're allowed to paint in Austria?

I thought the only thing they were allowed to do is moan because they no longer own most of Europe.

please to be going back to public school.

ECH,
got the reference, thinks everyone else should have too

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Fizzwitz GlorypoopAnd she's Australian.

AUSTRIAN.

Yes, Eris is also a Hapsburg!

Naw.  Third rate painter.

They're allowed to paint in Austria?

I thought the only thing they were allowed to do is moan because they no longer own most of Europe.

AYRTS?  IA?
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