In another thread the topic of Depression came up, and I think it warrants a further exploration in the context of BIP.
Mostly because I've heard the comments about the pamphlet. That we have painted a bleak "black" picture. "What's the point if you can never escape?"
This, on the surface, can sound like an avenue to depression.
Someone who didn't think about it, who didn't explore it further, and within, may be tempted to give up.
We see The Machine(tm) et al and soldier on, wanting to at least survive as ourselves if we obtain no other goal. Others, may relent, retreat within themselves and go all Cask of Amontilado and brick themselves up. What separates us?
Of course the disclaimer should be put out that we all have moments of depression, so I'm talking about long-term.
I hate to do this, but it's sort of the "Matrix" argument.
They could have lived in the pretty illusion, but they preferred to exist in the horrific reality.
Something like that. Also, in order to better yourself/see more troof/change yourself/your world, you need to be aware of your limitations. I don't get depressed that I can't benchpress a Volvo, because I know my physical limitations prevent me from doing so. That doesn't depress me.
The only thing "depressing" about the BIP is the cold water of realization that you have limitations you never knew existed.
What if we called it the "Golden Sphere of the Possible", instead? It means the same thing, really.
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 02:55:12 PM
The only thing "depressing" about the BIP is the cold water of realization that you have limitations you never knew existed.
What if we called it the "Golden Sphere of the Possible", instead?  It means the same thing, really.
See to me it was one of those cathartic moments with the angels and the glowing sunlight, cloud parting thing. (well, kind of) It's interesting how differently people react. It's a reassurance to know that I see what I have to deal with, and I see how it is most appropriate for me to deal with it. To see that there is so much that I don't see, and that it's okay and that I should continue to poke around and see what else there is to discover before my Mortality Contract is up. I dunno, I just wish some people could just have a little more oil on their back.
matrix?
run away!
run away!
(otherwise the david icke bobbies will find us)
Actually, I think I'm gonna write up the "Golden Sphere" thing, pretty much using the same thing as the BIP, just using different adjectives.  We'll see where this goes.
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 03:09:05 PM
Actually, I think I'm gonna write up the "Golden Sphere" thing, pretty much using the same thing as the BIP, just using different adjectives.  We'll see where this goes.
aka the mint green wooden hacienda.
wiff hammock and margarita.
To be depressed about this condition of existence is an attitude of a weak and inflexible mind.
There is an escape, its called suicide. You can take that route, but it smacks of....well, escapism. Fear, inability to cope with existence.
Or, you can carry on. Knowing there are limitations you can never overcome, that you will never create or find perfection, thats there is no logic or rule to your existence. Taking satisfaction in knowing you can endure without recourse to pretty lies or delusions.
Isn't that in itself a form of victory?
Death makes me suicidally depressed.
I think so.  Standing up and not retreating whether it is by slitting wrists are crawling up into a bottle and calling it home.  Pwn life by pwning life and not letting it pwn you.  Sounds like a life worth living to me.  
Quote from: Cain on February 13, 2007, 05:33:41 PMTo be depressed about this condition of existence is an attitude of a weak and inflexible mind.
There is an escape, its called suicide.  You can take that route, but it smacks of....well, escapism.  Fear, inability to cope with existence.
Or, you can carry on.  Knowing there are limitations you can never overcome, that you will never create or find perfection, thats there is no logic or rule to your existence.  Taking satisfaction in knowing you can endure without recourse to pretty lies or delusions.
Isn't that in itself a form of victory?
whether it's victory or not, it sure as hell doesn't mean i have to just sit down and take it.
and, i think we all got depressed about this condition at some point in our lives, right?
but the fact that we're on this board means that we also got up and continued. that at a certain point we realized that even if you may never get to perfection, maybe even if sometimes you're not making any progress, just sitting still and taking it all up the ass is sure not going to make it better either.
Quote from: triple zero on February 13, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 13, 2007, 05:33:41 PMTo be depressed about this condition of existence is an attitude of a weak and inflexible mind.
There is an escape, its called suicide.  You can take that route, but it smacks of....well, escapism.  Fear, inability to cope with existence.
Or, you can carry on.  Knowing there are limitations you can never overcome, that you will never create or find perfection, thats there is no logic or rule to your existence.  Taking satisfaction in knowing you can endure without recourse to pretty lies or delusions.
Isn't that in itself a form of victory?
whether it's victory or not, it sure as hell doesn't mean i have to just sit down and take it.
and, i think we all got depressed about this condition at some point in our lives, right?
but the fact that we're on this board means that we also got up and continued. that at a certain point we realized that even if you may never get to perfection, maybe even if sometimes you're not making any progress, just sitting still and taking it all up the ass is sure not going to make it better either.
troof. Stifling pain ftl to be sure.
Let's also not forget that depression can also be attributed to a specific mixture of chemicals in the brain, and sometimes we have no direct control over it.
We can do things, lke excercise, affirmations (more of the "fuck you, I won't take this lying down!" variety as opposed to the "I'm a good person and people like me" type), and medication; but often, depression is not a choice.
On the other hand, sometimes it is a choice. I know I've been in self-imposed bad moods and black depressions, and I've been known to wallow in them.
but sometimes you really need to wallow for a while.
there's just something in us, that makes us feel comfortable that, at a certain point (rather sooner than later hopefully) we'll get up and dry our tears and think "ok, that's enough wallowing, let's continue and DO something about it".
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:21:11 PM
Let's also not forget that depression can also be attributed to a specific mixture of chemicals in the brain, and sometimes we have no direct control over it.
Chicken and egg I always thought. Kinda like fat people and metabolism. Diet, lifestyle and (probably) a degree of positive thinking is recommended to break the cycle, neurochemistry gradually follows suit. Professional sources also will proscribe chemical modulation, at least initially.
You were/are bipolar, right?
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:21:11 PM
Let's also not forget that depression can also be attributed to a specific mixture of chemicals in the brain, and sometimes we have no direct control over it.
We can do things, lke excercise, affirmations (more of the "fuck you, I won't take this lying down!" variety as opposed to the "I'm a good person and people like me" type), and medication; but often, depression is not a choice.
On the other hand, sometimes it is a choice. I know I've been in self-imposed bad moods and black depressions, and I've been known to wallow in them.
True, but I thought we were discussing a more metaphysical depression than chemical.
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 13, 2007, 06:27:29 PMQuote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:21:11 PMChicken and egg I always thought. Kinda like fat people and metabolism. Diet, lifestyle and (probably) a degree of positive thinking is recommended to break the cycle, neurochemistry gradually follows suit. Professional sources also will proscribe chemical modulation, at least initially.
's true, but some people are also born with a depressive disorder. fortunately there's medication for those.
Quote from: LMNO, in the post belowI'm thinking the quote tags are a bit off, there.
's true, but you can figure it out right?
I'm thinking the quote tags are a bit off, there.
Quote from: Cain on February 13, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:21:11 PM
Let's also not forget that depression can also be attributed to a specific mixture of chemicals in the brain, and sometimes we have no direct control over it. 
We can do things, lke excercise, affirmations (more of the "fuck you, I won't take this lying down!" variety as opposed to the "I'm a good person and people like me" type), and medication; but often, depression is not a choice.
On the other hand, sometimes it is a choice.  I know I've been in self-imposed bad moods and black depressions, and I've been known to wallow in them.
True, but I thought we were discussing a more metaphysical depression than chemical.
But wouldn't you say that even metaphysical depression has a chemical effect on the brain?
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:28:46 PM
You were/are bipolar, right?
LOL 'are' is the 64kilobuck question. Lets say I choose not to use the paradigm.
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 13, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:21:11 PM
Let's also not forget that depression can also be attributed to a specific mixture of chemicals in the brain, and sometimes we have no direct control over it.  
We can do things, lke excercise, affirmations (more of the "fuck you, I won't take this lying down!" variety as opposed to the "I'm a good person and people like me" type), and medication; but often, depression is not a choice.
On the other hand, sometimes it is a choice.  I know I've been in self-imposed bad moods and black depressions, and I've been known to wallow in them.
True, but I thought we were discussing a more metaphysical depression than chemical.
But wouldn't you say that even metaphysical depression has a chemical effect on the brain?
It seems possible.  Someone can get themselves in a real funk, for whatever reason, it would seem eventually some sort of chemical or reaction in the brain is allowing it to continue.  Then, if they come out of it, what causes that?  Do we somehow will the chemicals or the reactions to cease, or does it just happen on its own?
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:21:11 PM
Let's also not forget that depression can also be attributed to a specific mixture of chemicals in the brain, and sometimes we have no direct control over it. 
for sure
some of this rash of depression in the Western 20th Century culture I think has to do with lack of fantasy
since we're stuck this this self-absorbed consumeristic controled enviroment so much of our idenity is moided from our base desires and this rush to quickly fullfill them
when something happens that the we get so locked up in fulfilling these desires sometimes it becomes such a false fullfillment that one's actual dreams and desires, were are destroyed throughout childhood, start to surface. The psyche can not handle this loss of its social identiy so it starts to unravel
20 Century Western Idenity = Consumtion at the detriment of owns dreams
Unable to No Longer Conform to this 20th Century Consumer Individuality = Breakdown of Idenity
Breakdown of ones idenity = 1) Feeling of hopelessness and deprived sense of one's place in society
or, (and this is more rare)
2) A Process of Peeling through the Layers of Idenity
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 13, 2007, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:28:46 PM
You were/are bipolar, right?
LOL 'are' is the 64kilobuck question. Lets say I choose not to use the paradigm.
My brother's the same way, but he considers it to be Thetan Bodies these days.
Anyway, I was with him when he started sliding into the depressive part.  I didn't see a "chicken/egg" thing, and I'm pretty sure force of will wouldn't have gotten him back to an even keel.
Then again, he seems ok now.  At the same time, my cousin has it too, and all she did was medicate until she "stabilized".
So, I have no direct experience with it, but I have seen it up close.  Do you think the "cycle" can really be broken by means not involving the intake of neuralchemistry?
Quote2) A Process of Peeling through the Layers of Idenity
So, is that where we are right now at this forum?
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:47:00 PM
Quote2) A Process of Peeling through the Layers of Idenity
So, is that where we are right now at this forum?
honestly
I revert back and forth...
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:47:00 PM
Quote2) A Process of Peeling through the Layers of Idenity
So, is that where we are right now at this forum?
it would take a outside observer that already been thru it to make that conclusion
but
my hunch is you are probably accurate
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 13, 2007, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:28:46 PM
You were/are bipolar, right?
LOL 'are' is the 64kilobuck question. Lets say I choose not to use the paradigm.
My brother's the same way, but he considers it to be Thetan Bodies these days.
Anyway, I was with him when he started sliding into the depressive part. I didn't see a "chicken/egg" thing, and I'm pretty sure force of will wouldn't have gotten him back to an even keel.
Then again, he seems ok now. At the same time, my cousin has it too, and all she did was medicate until she "stabilized".
So, I have no direct experience with it, but I have seen it up close. Do you think the "cycle" can really be broken by means not involving the intake of neuralchemistry?
Absolutely. I kicked the lithium as soon as the law stopped demanding I take it and never looked back. I can guarantee this method works but, conversely I would be reluctant to recommend it to anyone. Maybe I got lucky, maybe my will was where it needed to be, I'd imagine that doing it this way would have a very low success rate. I was extreme bipolar. Went from suicide watch to full blown total sensory hallucinations at the up end. Somewhere in the maelstrom I managed to gain access to bits of me that I wouldn't imagine many bipolar sufferers would.
The real bitch for me is avoiding the temptation to upswing. There's so much creativity and energy that I will occasionally push the limits just a tad, when working on an art project or something similar, knowing full well that I'll have to pay the piper on the flip flop by spending a couple of "Can't be fucking arsed" days before I balance out. As long as I don't get greedy It's really no big deal.
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 06:46:22 PM
My brother's the same way, but he considers it to be Thetan Bodies these days.
To be honest as long as he has some accessible way to deal with/avoid thetans I'd say pretty much any system of visualisation would work. Choose your own placebo. I suspect with your brother tho he hasn't consciously choosen to adopt this belief system. Then there's the risk of someone shouting "The thetans are here"
Anecdotal evidence: I believe Nietzsche became heavily and continually depressed after reading The Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, or something by Schopenhauer. His response was Thus Spake Zarathustra, as a metaphysical escape from a depression that was both mental and philosophical.
So Silly, what techniques do you use to stabilize?
Quote from: Cain on February 13, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
Anecdotal evidence: I believe Nietzsche became heavily and continually depressed after reading The Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, or something by Schopenhauer. His response was Thus Spake Zarathustra, as a metaphysical escape from a depression that was both mental and philosophical.
Quoted to bring this to the new page.
Quote from: LMNO on February 13, 2007, 07:08:04 PM
So Silly, what techniques do you use to stabilize?
More or less constant visualisation of elements of my psyche personified. Depression has a 'character' which I probably couldn't communicate effectively here. I imagine egregores for these things and this lends me the ability to better manage my brain zoo day to day. After years of practice I can feel things like sorrow, regret, fatalistic and various other thought spirals, trying to sneak up on me. I also have techniques for fighting or neutralising these before they take root. Nowadays they hardly even get a chance to appear. Get's easier with practice but, honestly it's almost totally accomplished via creative imagination.
That's pretty cool.
Respect.
Think of the way LBRP works- You visualise the symbols and in this way they are impressed on your psyche. Now imagine you never found out about LBRP until years after you had been required to construct your own ad-hoc system, under impetus of, to all intents and purposes, life or death. Nowadays I'll come across an existing godform or demon and I'll pick it up, like choosing suits from a catalogue, and slot it in where it fits.
Most adept practitioners of the occult arts would be, probably quite rightly, fucking disgusted at the bastardised tokenology that resides in my head but I make no apologies. Sometimes just hearing a name or seeing roughly where it fits in a cosmology will be enough study of its description for me.
damn silly. you keep doing things that make me feel bad about this:
[whacks silly in face with another heavy occult tome]
(http://www.magic-cards-sammelkarten-kartenspiel.de/magic_cards/karten/white_pariah.jpg)
well, tehcnically, it does make him a bastard child of the occult right?
which makes him a pariah
*SLAPS SILLY SILLY FOR POSTING MAGIC CARDS*
Quote from: triple zero on February 13, 2007, 07:44:27 PM
well, tehcnically, it does make him a bastard child of the occult right?
which makes him a pariah
*SLAPS SILLY SILLY FOR POSTING MAGIC CARDS*
[throws magic cards at silly, covering his body with paper cuts]
thanks for the idea 000
*Laps it up* :ninja:
[pulls ninja mask over silly's eyes]
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 13, 2007, 06:37:08 PM
LOL 'are' is the 64kilobuck question. Lets say I choose not to use the paradigm.
*loves that, and will now say something to the effect thereof when asked why I don't take pills*
Read the bit about "I wouldn't advise it..."
Have no fears Silly. I'm entirely aware of the risks of going med-less. But I strongly doubt that I even have what can be legitimately called bipolar disorder. I haven't had any symptoms in many months (and maybe a year, but my memory of the time I got off of the meds is really hazy) without meds, which either says I'm handling myself well or that I was just going through a very strange time in my life.
Which leads me to an interesting question: how does the BIP relate to mental disorders, and the diagnosis there of?
according to this society, it is a mental disorder
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder
but wouldn't disorder be a goodthing in our case?
*mixing metaphores*
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on February 15, 2007, 04:25:02 AM
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder
but wouldn't disorder be a goodthing in our case?
*mixing metaphores*
good eye
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder
well i think depression is a little more complicated then good and bad
and there could be so many types and reasons
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 15, 2007, 04:33:30 AM
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder
well i think depression is a little more complicated then good and bad
and there could be so many types and reasons
my statement was vague and unclear
my bad
i agree with what you say
im saying according to the society we live in, most of this forum is symptomatic of a mental disorder
WE ARE TEH NEW MENTAL ORDER :fnord:
"this forum = a mental disorder", cute, but like TI also tries to point out, is maybe a littlebit evading the question.
let's not.
it would be kind of too easy to call a mental disorder, the real ones, that the person suffering them really suffers from, to call them "broken cells" or "malfunctioning cells".
the only thing we can be ("highly probably") sure of, is that at least they work different in a sort of way from the other cells. and this difference makes interacting with other users more difficult, leading to stress and suffering.
this "difference" could be even a very subtle one. let's say everybody lives in their average prison cells and they're all pretty much the same. there are doors between the cells and everybody has a copy of the same key that opens these doors, and there are parties in the cells every night.
except for the "different" cells, they are the same cells, except that the users got a random key that doesn't fit. and they sit in their cell sulking every night hearing the low throbbing bass and high shouts of the party outside .. :sad: :cry:
with "the key" here i don't intend to suggest a "you're not cool enough to play with the cool kids", but more that the random key suggests a difficulty in communicating (doors) with the others.
ok this is but a simple poke at a possible BIP-model for (certain kinds of) mental disorder.
Our society is a cause of many mental disorders.
Mental health is expressed as a range normally, with anything landing too far on one extreme or the other on a number of factors (such as introversion/extroversion or empathy/psychopathy) as having a disorder.
However, consider the state of society, where the is constant pressure to do one thing (often supplied by the media, religion, the state etc), where in fact, because of other factors (such as work, family, the structure of social life) many of these things become much harder to do.
Its not surprising that you get alcoholism, neurosis, introversion or complete psychopathy appearing with more regularity. Coping mechanisms, ftl.
Call it what you will, baptism of fire, armageddon, hell on earth ... Only the strong and/or the incredibly stupid survive.
Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch on February 15, 2007, 01:05:06 AM
how does the BIP relate to mental disorders, and the diagnosis there of?
Well, if the BIP is the sum total of your experiences, plus the biological and physiological limitations of your body;
And, if we are to classify a mental disorder as a chemical imbalance (or, using more neutral language, and increase of one or more chemicals in the brain);
Or, a psychological state that doesn't cohere with the general populous, perhaps brought on by previous trauma;
Then, I would say that the mental disorder is just another bar of your cell. Depending on how severe the biological and/or psychological deviation from "normal" is indicates the amount of work needed to change that part of your cell.
How does that sound?
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2007, 11:55:45 AM
Our society is a cause of many mental disorders.
Mental health is expressed as a range normally, with anything landing too far on one extreme or the other on a number of factors (such as introversion/extroversion or empathy/psychopathy) as having a disorder.
However, consider the state of society, where the is constant pressure to do one thing (often supplied by the media, religion, the state etc), where in fact, because of other factors (such as work, family, the structure of social life) many of these things become much harder to do.
Its not surprising that you get alcoholism, neurosis, introversion or complete psychopathy appearing with more regularity. Coping mechanisms, ftl.
Cain nailed it
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 15, 2007, 12:16:35 PM
Call it what you will, baptism of fire, armageddon, hell on earth ... Only the strong and/or the incredibly stupid survive.
if mental health is the same as forcing yourself to 'go along with the status quo', does it even make sense to be 'mentally healthy'?
i could have a bias here - so if it seems off point, then call me on it
The problem is that mental illness is both a social construct and a biological fact. So you have to be very wary on those grounds. Not much can be done biologically, except getting the right drugs and dosage...
Quoteif mental health is the same as forcing yourself to 'go along with the status quo', does it even make sense to be 'mentally healthy'?
i could have a bias here - so if it seems off point, then call me on it
Compare mental health to physical health. Poor mental health is anything from disease to paraplegia - this is a disadvantage in anyone's book. Socially accepted mental health is kinda like being a skinny emaciated runt or morbidly obese - society want's you tho be like this, yuo are a good consumer but in no condition to buck the status quo. Then there's the Health Freak
tm this guy scares society becuse he is strong enough and lean enough to pose a problem if he puts his mind to it.
Society makes no distinction between poor mental health and the Health Freak
tm mental equivalent - both are 'mentally ill' both are enemies of the state.
what would constitute a mental health freak?
i can't think of much, except not watching TV and mentally deconstructing every other form of advertising that comes your way.
7 Habits of Highly Effective People readers and other types of "Positive Thinking" sorts, I would think.
Someone who doesn't drink the kool aid, works on building up their memetic immune system or just plain uses their fucking head where all around them are plugging theirs into the machine.
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2007, 02:07:19 PM7 Habits of Highly Effective People readers and other types of "Positive Thinking" sorts, I would think.
i don't know much about that 7 Habits thing (though i have heard of it), i thought it has something to do with streamlining your workflow so you can get more work done?
sounds stressful and not good for (at least my) mental health
but then again, maybe i'm not a good example :)
I think silly & cain are moving in opposite directions w/ the metaphor.
Yeah - Pick a side motherfuckers! :evil:
Yeah. I thought he meant the bad sense of being mentally "healthy", the socially constructed healthy of positive thinkers, whose systems always seem to end up benefitting the status quo.
Quote from: triple zero on February 15, 2007, 02:04:43 PM
what would constitute a mental health freak? i can't think of much, except not watching TV and mentally deconstructing every other form of advertising that comes your way.
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2007, 02:07:19 PM
7 Habits of Highly Effective People readers and other types of "Positive Thinking" sorts, I would think.
Yep, I see where your going with that. Interestingly. I'm going to attend a meeting of network marketers tonight in Glasgow. I'm attending in a purely observing and analytical capacity on behalf of a friend who is involved with these people and wants my take on them. Should be interesting, because these are exactly the kind of people that do the mental health freak thing(as Cain describes it). It will be interesting to see them in action.
Syn,
throws up barriers lest he gets assimilated.
Quote from: triple zero on February 15, 2007, 02:04:43 PM
what would constitute a mental health freak?
i can't think of much, except not watching TV and mentally deconstructing every other form of advertising that comes your way.
thats a mental disorder according to convention
Quote from: synaptyx on February 15, 2007, 02:26:44 PMYep, I see where your going with that. Interestingly. I'm going to attend a meeting of network marketers tonight in Glasgow.
Ima be in Glasgow tonight too. Small planet!
Heh, If I wasn't working... ;)
Heh, If I only hooked up with wierdo's from the internets :lulz:
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 02:27:08 PMthats a mental disorder according to convention
yes, well i was talking about the "good" kind of mental health.
the one that makes your mental a minty fresh quiet place equipped with a big motherfucking sharp pencil, which can be used both for creating good ideas as well as stabbing bullshit in the face. :mrgreen:
ok so we have "popular mental health", i have no interest in knowing how to acquire this, and if i had, well i'm certainly there would be queues of people wanting to tell me if i only snap my fingers.
and we have "real healthy mental healthy for real healthness". this was my question, what do people (but people on this board!) think is a "good" "healthy" state of mental health. and how do they think one should go is the best way of acquiring this state.
i already brought up not watching TV and deconstructing advertising.
what is your secret?
posting on discordian forums
i'll see your postings, and raise with a reading!
Tear down existing paradigm - path of the tower
Reconstruct around much more dynamic foundation - Operation Mindfuck
Never consider the work complete ....
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 15, 2007, 02:33:07 PM
Heh, If I only hooked up with wierdo's from the internets :lulz:
FUCK YUO AND THAT HOSRIE YOU'RE HUMPING
\
:mullet:
:lol:
Quote from: triple zero on February 15, 2007, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 02:27:08 PMthats a mental disorder according to convention
yes, well i was talking about the "good" kind of mental health.
the one that makes your mental a minty fresh quiet place equipped with a big motherfucking sharp pencil, which can be used both for creating good ideas as well as stabbing bullshit in the face. :mrgreen:
ok so we have "popular mental health", i have no interest in knowing how to acquire this, and if i had, well i'm certainly there would be queues of people wanting to tell me if i only snap my fingers.
and we have "real healthy mental healthy for real healthness". this was my question, what do people (but people on this board!) think is a "good" "healthy" state of mental health. and how do they think one should go is the best way of acquiring this state.
i already brought up not watching TV and deconstructing advertising.
what is your secret?
Actively seek out opposing ideas.
Quote from: triple zero on February 15, 2007, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 02:27:08 PMthats a mental disorder according to convention
yes, well i was talking about the "good" kind of mental health.
the one that makes your mental a minty fresh quiet place equipped with a big motherfucking sharp pencil, which can be used both for creating good ideas as well as stabbing bullshit in the face.  :mrgreen:
ok so we have "popular mental health", i have no interest in knowing how to acquire this, and if i had, well i'm certainly there would be queues of people wanting to tell me if i only snap my fingers.
and we have "real healthy mental healthy for real healthness". this was my question, what do people (but people on this board!) think is a "good" "healthy" state of mental health. and how do they think one should go is the best way of acquiring this state.
i already brought up not watching TV and deconstructing advertising.
what is your secret?
activily challenging everything I believe in
kind of along the lines of what LMNO posted
The irony
it seems when you are nothing, or have no believes defining your idenity then you are at your most powerful
at least this is what ive come to
believe ( :lol: I made a funny) from my search