Despite my weirdly intense desire to believe in woo, metaphysics, government conspiracies, and to a much lesser extent UFOs, I am unable to do so with one exception: drugs. Specifically entheogens used by tons of indigenous cultures all over the world since forever to expand consciousness. My jury is still out on whether or not they actually do expand consciousness in any practical way, but given recent studies linking psychedelic hallucinogens like psilocybin to measurable improvement in chronic depression and suchlike, it seems reasonable to at least entertain the possibility that such substances and the experiences they induce have the potential to assist constructively in a person's serious attempts to rewire their personal grid.
So where my conspiracy thinking comes in is in the fact that these are mostly all Schedule I substances in the US and treated like heroin or something despite this science and in most cases despite the importance of these substances to cultural practices that far predate apple pie. Is it possible that there are people in charge of things somewhere who are genuinely aware of the effects these drugs have on consciousness and intentionally suppress and malign them in order to prevent people from waking up to a higher (by which I mean more compassionate and self-actualized) level of consciousness? Ancient Astronaut theorists say YES.
I dunno man. I literally listened to my extremely hippie godmother talk to my garden variety hippie mother today about how puking your empty stomach out on ayahuasca will "expel all the bad thoughts and experiences out of you, getting rid of all those blockages"
I love the idea of having the freedom to shove whatever fermented foodstuff down your gullet that you choose, but methinks I'll be happy to not expand my mind regardless of what suits may or may not be denying me that sweet trippy plant.
The rationale for banning certain drugs appears to be economical in nature: sure you can ruin your liver with alcohol on the long run, or feel like shit with a hangover the next day, but you CAN go to work the next day, and its effects are predictable and controllable... but is marijuana incompatible with working to a certain extent? doesnt it promote this type of satisfaction that quenches drives and ambitions? not sure if marijuana does this, but ive heard from users that their only drive is to shoot up again... then psychedelics are a problem for work, since their effects on the very short term imply a practical disabling of a person for an undeterminate number of hours, i guess one could do it on a friday or even saturday and be fine by monday, but you cant use that on a wendsday like you could alcohol... also, psychedelics tend to generate a psychiatric-medical burden on the system.
So is the whole spectrum of reasons purely economic? Id argue that yes... but what i will say is that, even if your mileage may vary (by a looot), drugs can (not any and all of them, mind you) help you attune with the unconcious parts of your mind... literally by definition, the usage of drugs is an alteration of consciousness and a temporary weakening of psychic defense mechanisms which are held in place by consciousness.
The problem is that its a flawed conflation... coming in contact with your unconscious thru drugs =/= useful insight... otherwise every single psychotherapist in the world would by default be utilizing drugs in their treatments.
Quote from: Al Qədic on July 09, 2019, 06:19:17 AM
I dunno man. I literally listened to my extremely hippie godmother talk to my garden variety hippie mother today about how puking your empty stomach out on ayahuasca will "expel all the bad thoughts and experiences out of you, getting rid of all those blockages"
I love the idea of having the freedom to shove whatever fermented foodstuff down your gullet that you choose, but methinks I'll be happy to not expand my mind regardless of what suits may or may not be denying me that sweet trippy plant.
That is what puking on Ayahuasca is traditionally said to do. And it matches my experience.
Quote from: Pergamos on July 09, 2019, 06:46:03 AM
Quote from: Al Qədic on July 09, 2019, 06:19:17 AM
I dunno man. I literally listened to my extremely hippie godmother talk to my garden variety hippie mother today about how puking your empty stomach out on ayahuasca will "expel all the bad thoughts and experiences out of you, getting rid of all those blockages"
I love the idea of having the freedom to shove whatever fermented foodstuff down your gullet that you choose, but methinks I'll be happy to not expand my mind regardless of what suits may or may not be denying me that sweet trippy plant.
That is what puking on Ayahuasca is traditionally said to do. And it matches my experience.
I've no experiences in this realm of life, but the fact that puking while drunk on booze can also bring about euphoria tells me that, at least in some respects, the substance isn't necessarily important. Of course, there's also the vivid hallucination bit of ayahuasca to contend with, iirc, but with that in mind...it still don't sound amazing in my white-ass virgin eyes.
To go back on topic; even if there are forces demonizing drugs, people will still find ways to get them one way or another.
On another note, I've been meaning to post this somewhere here since it got uploaded. Tis neat. https://youtu.be/Bjl2FlmQpqk
I dunno. I think Occams' Razor suggests there are smaller, more petty, and more basic motivations all pulling in different directions.
Xenophobia and racism played a part, since I think most of the non-alcoholic drugs weren't native to the "Western World" (I read somewhere that there are something like 120 psychoactive plants in the world, with only about 15 found naturally in Europe... and those are the nastier ones, like Belladonna and Ergot). So you get the introduction of the idea of "exotic, foreign drugs used by degenerate brown people". This carried over in the Americas, as you can see with the Jazz/Weed panic, and the Asian Opium dens.
There's also Conformity to Social Norms, so a person being drunk is "normal", but a person being stoned, or tripping, falls outside of typical expected behavior, leading to the conclusion something is "wrong" and that person is "anti-social".
Finally (not really finally, I just want to stop typing), there's financial motives, as shown by the oft-used story of how weed became criminalized in part due to paper manufacturers wanting to keep hemp products out of the market.
So it seems there's just a lot of shitty people who think shitty thoughts, and when you get enough of them together, it can start looking like conspiracy.
But really, it's just shitty.
also,
:deadthread:
Quote from: LMNO on July 09, 2019, 01:17:17 PM
So you get the introduction of the idea of "exotic, foreign drugs used by degenerate brown people". This carried over in the Americas, as you can see with the Jazz/Weed panic, and the Asian Opium dens.
Reminds me of the Orientalist period of 1800s French art; buncha well-off white people get settled down in their fancy new cities now that la revolucion (all handfuls of them) has calmed down, realize that there's shiny stuff and exotic people in the desert next door, go touristing about the place, and come home with food, stories of exotic drug use, and the
occasional plentiful amount of precious tiling and other masonry that was "totally just lying around unappreciated by the locals."
Now the Nude is in vogue again (Manet had soiled it by painting a woman with some actual character and agency, how dare he), the brown courtesans are getting portraits with their torsos twisted into taffy, and some artists even paint the common folk in that "they're just like
us" sort of way. Surprisingly, they actually do that more effectively to the brown people than to their own citizens; painting suddenly shifting away from nobility a century prior meant a lot of derpy seafood server girl pieces and the like got made...flattering.
I mean, Gauguin is an amazing painter, but holy shit, his subject matter did not age well.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on July 09, 2019, 05:57:41 AM
Despite my weirdly intense desire to believe in woo, metaphysics, government conspiracies, and to a much lesser extent UFOs, I am unable to do so with one exception: drugs. Specifically entheogens used by tons of indigenous cultures all over the world since forever to expand consciousness. My jury is still out on whether or not they actually do expand consciousness in any practical way, but given recent studies linking psychedelic hallucinogens like psilocybin to measurable improvement in chronic depression and suchlike, it seems reasonable to at least entertain the possibility that such substances and the experiences they induce have the potential to assist constructively in a person's serious attempts to rewire their personal grid.
So where my conspiracy thinking comes in is in the fact that these are mostly all Schedule I substances in the US and treated like heroin or something despite this science and in most cases despite the importance of these substances to cultural practices that far predate apple pie. Is it possible that there are people in charge of things somewhere who are genuinely aware of the effects these drugs have on consciousness and intentionally suppress and malign them in order to prevent people from waking up to a higher (by which I mean more compassionate and self-actualized) level of consciousness? Ancient Astronaut theorists say YES.
The research certainly exists.
Personal experience hails the ride. In spades.
And besides, a lot of the people who have watched this say this lady is cute AF when she's tripping balls.
It's certainly a better beauty enhancement than that shit the Kardashians do to themselves.
When I took LSD it did nothing more but make me a functional human for a couple days. No worrying beyond normal worrying. No bullshit brain damage. Just living life. Actually made more progress in that couple days than I did in the rest of my life working through my brain shit. So... yeah.
Quote from: nullified on July 12, 2019, 01:02:30 AM
When I took LSD it did nothing more but make me a functional human for a couple days. No worrying beyond normal worrying. No bullshit brain damage. Just living life. Actually made more progress in that couple days than I did in the rest of my life working through my brain shit. So... yeah.
it be like that. i mean, at low doses, anyway. higher doses are also like that but you can meet God.
Acid is just like meth but it takes 3000 more years to notice the adverse effects
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on July 12, 2019, 04:23:33 PM
Quote from: nullified on July 12, 2019, 01:02:30 AM
When I took LSD it did nothing more but make me a functional human for a couple days. No worrying beyond normal worrying. No bullshit brain damage. Just living life. Actually made more progress in that couple days than I did in the rest of my life working through my brain shit. So... yeah.
it be like that. i mean, at low doses, anyway. higher doses are also like that but you can meet God.
I obviously didn't have a good way to test the potency, but I had a third of a decent sized strip. Three people sharing. I'm not sure if it was weak, if it was just a really subtle trip, or if I'm basically immune to a proper trip. I'd actually buy that last one, I get what people consider the mild effects of a trip (light tracers, etc) on a regular day.
it won't work properly if you're taking any SSRIs, that is all I know.
Wasn't on meds at the time, totally homeless, no support network. I guess unless you count ibuprofen, had a toothache from hell, but I doubt NSAIDs would affect it.
I um, I might've mentioned discorianism to a really nice person. I also might be going to hell for it, but, there are much worse things you can do.
Quote from: Fujikoma on July 23, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
I um, I might've mentioned discorianism to a really nice person. I also might be going to hell for it, but, there are much worse things you can do.
Bringing the light and wisdom of Eris to worthwhile people is never a mistake, except where prohibited by law or discouraged by custom. But you shouldn't just TELL them about it, you're supposed to hint at it and beat around the bush so they think you've got something they haven't got. That way you can trick them into giving you money.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on July 23, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on July 23, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
I um, I might've mentioned discorianism to a really nice person. I also might be going to hell for it, but, there are much worse things you can do.
Bringing the light and wisdom of Eris to worthwhile people is never a mistake, except where prohibited by law or discouraged by custom. But you shouldn't just TELL them about it, you're supposed to hint at it and beat around the bush so they think you've got something they haven't got. That way you can trick them into giving you money.
Sounds more like the Subgenius riff, honestly.
Quote from: LMNO on July 23, 2019, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on July 23, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on July 23, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
I um, I might've mentioned discorianism to a really nice person. I also might be going to hell for it, but, there are much worse things you can do.
Bringing the light and wisdom of Eris to worthwhile people is never a mistake, except where prohibited by law or discouraged by custom. But you shouldn't just TELL them about it, you're supposed to hint at it and beat around the bush so they think you've got something they haven't got. That way you can trick them into giving you money.
Sounds more like the Subgenius riff, honestly.
Discordianism was bought out by Dobbs Industries in 2009 because it couldn't pay the rent anymore.
Fools, Discordianism predates the rabid bullshit of the cult of the subgenious. And even if it doesn't, I'm convinced this is true.
Quote from: Fujikoma on July 26, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
Fools, Discordianism predates the rabid bullshit of the cult of the subgenious. And even if it doesn't, I'm convinced this is true.
Subgenius is the paid version of Discordianism, like when you get an app that does everything you want for free except for the one thing you actually want, which you have to pay for.
What's funny is when the one thing they think you want is the only thing you don't need for your purposes, so you just laugh at them and call them names for being a bucket full of morons.
That's why I sneer at "Bob" and Hail Eris still.
Although, come to think of it, "Bob" might therefore be the cause of my woes. Is "Bob" a vengeful extradimensional nightmare? Experts disagree (I'm sure).
Quote from: nullified on July 26, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
What's funny is when the one thing they think you want is the only thing you don't need for your purposes, so you just laugh at them and call them names for being a bucket full of morons.
That's why I sneer at "Bob" and Hail Eris still.
Although, come to think of it, "Bob" might therefore be the cause of my woes. Is "Bob" a vengeful extradimensional nightmare? Experts disagree (I'm sure).
"Bob" doesn't care if you sneer at him - he sneers at him, too - so long as your money spends.
Quote from: nullified on July 26, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
What's funny is when the one thing they think you want is the only thing you don't need for your purposes, so you just laugh at them and call them names for being a bucket full of morons.
That's why I sneer at "Bob" and Hail Eris still.
Although, come to think of it, "Bob" might therefore be the cause of my woes. Is "Bob" a vengeful extradimensional nightmare? Experts disagree (I'm sure).
No, he's a vengeful intradimensional nightmare. But he's very guapo, so most people don't mind.
I might have snorted some nasal mucus from another person. Is it dangerous to do?
Quote from: Frontside Back on July 28, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
I might have snorted some nasal mucus from another person. Is it dangerous to do?
Extremely dangerous. You should develop intense anxiety about it, that's the only way to save yourself.
Is it right to grind up nail clippings and pet dander to pass off as homeopathic artisanal DRUGStm?
Quote from: Don Coyote on July 29, 2019, 05:43:17 AM
Is it right to grind up nail clippings and pet dander to pass off as homeopathic artisanal DRUGStm?
I don't see why not. I've been doing it for years myself and it's worked out fairly well.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on July 29, 2019, 12:15:49 AM
Quote from: Frontside Back on July 28, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
I might have snorted some nasal mucus from another person. Is it dangerous to do?
Extremely dangerous. You should develop intense anxiety about it, that's the only way to save yourself.
DAY ONE:There's a slight throat pain and my cheeks are going numb. The pain is possibly caused by screaming, as well as swallowing chemicals in great amounts. I'm not that worried yet as there's no way of knowing which of the symptoms are part of the hangover before it settles.
Isn't it possible to get AIDS from exchanging bodily fluids? I've heard there's these parasites with a reproductive cycle going through noses.
I should really learn not to pick it. I never wash my hands.
Voices in my head prescribe me a couple days of rest and instruct me to follow the situation. In no case should I get anything useful done. Just relax and watch porn for the potentially last days of my existence in effort to maximize my hedonistic potential.
DAY 35
The throat pain seems to be going worse. On top of that I keep constantly falling asleep and waking up to the extent that it's hard to know what is real anymore. I know the voices and the shadowy figures cannot be, but hell, they scare the shit out of me nevertheless. The most terrifying is the stuff that could be real. Knocks on the door, voices in the upstairs, etc.
I swear they are talking about me. How they are going to break into my apartment and sacrifice me to their cruel and obscure god. Or sneak in from the window to rearrange my forks.
Maybe they just stay in their flat with all their spy gear and watch me as I wank. Listen to me as I try to play instruments I once loved. Smell my sweat and piss I cannot bother to wash off. All this while judging. Making little markings in their notebooks, sending reports to their superiors who make the decision about when do I mysteriously disappear in a poof of letters about me moving to Argentina.
I would never move to Argentina.
They have also infiltrated my friends. Maybe all of them. Maybe there never been any friends, and all the social interactions I've ever done have been a delicate plot to get me just into their hands, so that they could squash me for no apparent reason just to feed their own power trip.
That's what people do when they get power, right? Use all their resources to mess with me, a clearly dangerous individual with niche ideas and behavior. Not with the cheap mass with better votes to penny ratio. Gosh, I must have caught egotism. Again.
Stop snorting my snot, weirdo.
Your snot does that?
Can I have more?
Yes, but you have to PAY OUT THE NOSE! BWAHAHAHAHA! Ok... ok, it wasn't THAT funny, sorry for laughing.
You can have an ear, but be very quiet about or you'll end up hooked up in a snot harvesting machine like all the other actual people.