If you haven't heard, Intermittens: In the Beginning, is finally out. Thanks to your forum, and especially Cramulus, for starting the magazine, and to the members here who contributed to this issue.
http://kerrythornley.com/publications/magazines/intermittens/intermittens_11_ITB.pdf
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 08:17:51 PM
If you haven't heard, Intermittens: In the Beginning, is finally out. Thanks to your forum, and especially Cramulus, for starting the magazine, and to the members here who contributed to this issue.
http://kerrythornley.com/publications/magazines/intermittens/intermittens_11_ITB.pdf
Fucking Uncle BadTouch. Fuck's sake.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
Fucking Uncle BadTouch. Fuck's sake.
There's one page about Reverend Uncle BadTouch's group just like there's one page about the PeeDee Cabal. Creeper Uncle BadTouch did an interview with Brenton Clutterbuck about Chasing Eris, but otherwise it's Uncle BadTouch-free.
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
Fucking Uncle BadTouch. Fuck's sake.
There's one page about Reverend Uncle BadTouch's group just like there's one page about the PeeDee Cabal. Creeper Uncle BadTouch did an interview with Brenton Clutterbuck about Chasing Eris, but otherwise it's Uncle BadTouch-free.
It's a LOT. 8 pages on the interview, which ties it for the longest piece in your magazine/whatever.
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
Fucking Uncle BadTouch. Fuck's sake.
There's one page about Reverend Uncle BadTouch's group just like there's one page about the PeeDee Cabal. Creeper Uncle BadTouch did an interview with Brenton Clutterbuck about Chasing Eris, but otherwise it's Uncle BadTouch-free.
*looks at your email addie*
Uh huh.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 10, 2016, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
Fucking Uncle BadTouch. Fuck's sake.
There's one page about Reverend Uncle BadTouch's group just like there's one page about the PeeDee Cabal. Creeper Uncle BadTouch did an interview with Brenton Clutterbuck about Chasing Eris, but otherwise it's Uncle BadTouch-free.
It's a LOT. 8 pages on the interview, which ties it for the longest piece in your magazine/whatever.
That's 8 pages out of 52, like one week out of a year. If you want to skip that, you can. But I'm glad it's there. Creeper is a professional writer who also wrote about the connection between Kerry Thornley and Lee Harvey Oswald for the 50th anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination for Yahoo.com.
There's also
*The first published statements by Tom Thornley about his late brother Kerry Thornley.
*Secrets of the Early Church of the SubGenius.
*Never before seen on the Internet Discordian material.
And much more.
It's not like the Uncle BadTouch cult wasn't bragging about picking up that domain.
Also, your account was made 3 years ago, and not touched til now, to pimp out Uncle BadTouch's latest vanity project.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:10:10 PM
Also, your account was made 3 years ago, and not touched til now, to pimp out Uncle BadTouch's latest vanity project.
I posted then when I thought about starting the issue. As posted in the issue, I abandoned it for two years because much of our "exclusive" early Discordian material appeared before we finished it in
Historia Discordia by Adam Gorightly (an ad for the book appears in the issue).
The editor of this issue is myself and http://KerryThornley.com. That's not secret; it's in the issue. If I'm pimping anything, it's our website.
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:10:10 PM
Also, your account was made 3 years ago, and not touched til now, to pimp out Uncle BadTouch's latest vanity project.
I posted then when I thought about starting the issue. As posted in the issue, I abandoned it for two years because much of our "exclusive" early Discordian material appeared before we finished it in Historia Discordia by Adam Gorightly (an ad for the book appears in the issue).
The editor of this issue is myself and http://KerryThornley.com. That's not secret; it's in the issue. If I'm pimping anything, it's our website.
Right. So Uncle BadTouch.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:09:03 PM
It's not like the Uncle BadTouch cult wasn't bragging about picking up that domain.
I know nothing about that. As far as I know they've never had the domain. Maybe they were trolling you. :fnord:
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:09:03 PM
It's not like the Uncle BadTouch cult wasn't bragging about picking up that domain.
I know nothing about that. As far as I know they've never had the domain. Maybe they were trolling you. :fnord:
I get it. You're trolling me. Nice. Enjoy the free issue or don't. Your choice. :aaa:
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: Johnny Shellburn on October 10, 2016, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:09:03 PM
It's not like the Uncle BadTouch cult wasn't bragging about picking up that domain.
I know nothing about that. As far as I know they've never had the domain. Maybe they were trolling you. :fnord:
I get it. You're trolling me. Nice. Enjoy the free issue or don't. Your choice. :aaa:
No, I'm not. You're either Uncle BadTouch or one of his cultists. The whole "ripping off other people's work" is also an indicator.
Remember when you tried to put all of our shit in "your" book, Uncle BadTouch? Remember that? We do.
Due to legal threats from the Uncle BadTouch cult (ie, Miley Spears) and blatantly stolen material in "their" book a few years back, AND evading a ban, there will be no Uncle BadTouch here.
Uncle BadTouch aside, is there anything else in this issue you find disagreeable?
Personally I don't know a lot about the Uncle BadTouch drama so I can't speak to it, but I enjoyed this issue of Intermittens.
I don't think a Loveshader made it, as I would expect a completely different tone to it if that were the case.
So to this specific PDF, was anything in it stolen, plagiarized, or otherwise immorally obtained?
Because if not, bravo! A good issue.
The Uncle BadTouch person sounds like an ass, and while I'd probably avoid paying for, or contributing anything to, the works of a material thief... neither are required to enjoy this issue of Intermittens.
Quote from: trix on October 10, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Uncle BadTouch aside, is there anything else in this issue you find disagreeable?
Didn't even look. Leaving the post and link up, but the Uncle BadTouch alt has been banned.
Discordian histories don't do much for me, personally. This issue is also seriously sex obsessed, which is not my cup of tea unless shit gets way weirder.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 10, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
Discordian histories don't do much for me, personally. This issue is also seriously sex obsessed, which is not my cup of tea unless shit gets way weirder.
"Uncle BadTouch"
Trix, you should really educate yourself on the Uncle BadTouch drama. Just drop his name into the site search engine and go.
But to give you a hint, it involves...not cool views on underage sex dressed up in Discordianism, theft and self-promotion.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:47:52 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 10, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
Discordian histories don't do much for me, personally. This issue is also seriously sex obsessed, which is not my cup of tea unless shit gets way weirder.
"Uncle BadTouch"
Is Uncle BadTouch synonymous with boring smut? I wasn't here for most of the stuff.
He's a boring old windbag who's claim to fame was once making comments about the age of consent and how it can be healthy it can be for a minor to have an older sex partner to act as a guide.
In and of itself that has faded into the same boring rhetoric that was espoused by a lot of new age self styled gurus to the point that it too has become a cliche.
None the less it was enough to get this website investigated (years ago).
I don't want Uncle BadTouch to taint your work Johnny so looking forward to reading this over lunch tomorrow.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:44:42 PM
Quote from: trix on October 10, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Uncle BadTouch aside, is there anything else in this issue you find disagreeable?
Didn't even look. Leaving the post and link up, but the Uncle BadTouch alt has been banned.
So you banned the OP? Are you certain that was a Uncle BadTouch alt or just strongly believe so?
Still reading up on the LS drama
Quote from: trix on October 10, 2016, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2016, 09:44:42 PM
Quote from: trix on October 10, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Uncle BadTouch aside, is there anything else in this issue you find disagreeable?
Didn't even look. Leaving the post and link up, but the Uncle BadTouch alt has been banned.
So you banned the OP? Are you certain that was a Uncle BadTouch alt or just strongly believe so?
Still reading up on the LS drama
Yes, and yes. Faust or ECH can overturn this any time they please.
For the record, knowing nothing of this Uncle BadTouch and having no stake but accuracy, "8 pages of 52" isn't like 1 week of the year proportionally. More like 2 months. Just under 1\6.
Just saying... that's a huge slice and your sense of proportion and arithmetic are... bad.
ETA: :lulz: guess you're kinda banned!
Johnny Shellburn is a made up character of Thornleys, but I don't think that was Uncle BadTouch no. Think we might have just banned Adam Gorightly based on the takeover information on kerrythornley.com
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 09:08:03 AM
Johnny Shellburn is a made up character of Thornleys, but I don't think that was Uncle BadTouch no. Think we might have just banned Adam Gorightly based on the takeover information on kerrythornley.com
Hm... I suspect sooner or later there will be a rather ironic war over the trademarkable bits around Discordia with at least some participants claiming it's somehow ok because "Kopyleft", others with issues about exactly where and in what context their shit gets posted or published. I hope it's later rather than sooner. I want to see how far we go with this "corporations are people" thing because that could be a LOT of fun if the paperwork is just right. An actual non-profit org "representative of the Goddess Discordia and Discordian Society" with proper governing constitution could be the most fun since the invention of the acronym NGO. Of course that would also be profoundly complicated and easy to get fucked over on if you're not SERIOUS about the paperwork and litigation side.
Quote from: Cain on October 10, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Trix, you should really educate yourself on the Uncle BadTouch drama. Just drop his name into the site search engine and go.
But to give you a hint, it involves...not cool views on underage sex dressed up in Discordianism, theft and self-promotion.
Ok, I tried. I really did. I read all seven pages of his posts from his profile. I forum searched his name. I google searched his name in relation to PD.com. I read tons and tons and tons of posts.
I did not find this an enjoyable passage of time. I saw lots of shameless self-promotion from a giant douchebag. I saw lots of accusations of thievery and
lots of pedo accusations. I was however unable to find the source of either of those.
This was unpleasant, and my curiosity remains unsatisfied. :argh!:
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 11, 2016, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 09:08:03 AM
Johnny Shellburn is a made up character of Thornleys, but I don't think that was Uncle BadTouch no. Think we might have just banned Adam Gorightly based on the takeover information on kerrythornley.com
Hm... I suspect sooner or later there will be a rather ironic war over the trademarkable bits around Discordia with at least some participants claiming it's somehow ok because "Kopyleft", others with issues about exactly where and in what context their shit gets posted or published. I hope it's later rather than sooner. I want to see how far we go with this "corporations are people" thing because that could be a LOT of fun if the paperwork is just right. An actual non-profit org "representative of the Goddess Discordia and Discordian Society" with proper governing constitution could be the most fun since the invention of the acronym NGO. Of course that would also be profoundly complicated and easy to get fucked over on if you're not SERIOUS about the paperwork and litigation side.
From the Intermittens:
QuoteKopyleft is a myth. Oh, sure, Malaclypse the
Younger aka Gregory Hill made the fourth edition,
the best known of Principia Discordia, kopyleft.
But as he himself said in the 1979 introduction to the
Loompanics printing of the fourth, this was because
he didn't want his intentions to be misunderstood --
i.e., he didn't want to be sued. He said some of the
underground work was likely copyrighted by
someone else, and claiming copyright to someone
else's work is grounds for a lawsuit, especially as
some parts used in the "collage" of a book were
owned by major corporations.
It goes on for about two pages of the author giving all kinds of Elders Of Discordia background that IDGAF about to support his point.
Not really sure what they are trying to say with that;
-The Principia Discordia is free for all and ownership of ideas is a myth
-The Principia is built on stolen ideas and intermittens is continuing the spirit of this with the intermittens idea (which was all ways free for all anyway)
-Something else
-Not really saying anything at all
It read to me like NEENER NEENER KOPYLEFT ISN'T A HOLY RITE (but I guess you can do whatever because the ELDERS OF DISCORDIA said you could do whatever).
I got NEENER NEENER KOPYLEFT ISN'T A HOLY RIGHT even if some schmucks think its a HOLY RITE
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.
Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"
I still don't get it.
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 01:49:20 PM
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.
Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"
I still don't get it.
Me either. It just made me feel vaguely grubby and uncomfortable reading it, but then I am a bit of a "words need to be free" weirdo.
QuoteWhat happens when Goddess Discordia
messes with some not-so-innocent ponies?
Discordian furry porn, that's what!
Skimmed it and found it a little dull, but I just stopped reading as soon as I saw this shit. Picture not included.
There's also a couple of disturbing thornley quotes.
Little of value here to my eye.
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: Cain on October 10, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Trix, you should really educate yourself on the Uncle BadTouch drama. Just drop his name into the site search engine and go.
But to give you a hint, it involves...not cool views on underage sex dressed up in Discordianism, theft and self-promotion.
Ok, I tried. I really did. I read all seven pages of his posts from his profile. I forum searched his name. I google searched his name in relation to PD.com. I read tons and tons and tons of posts. I did not find this an enjoyable passage of time. I saw lots of shameless self-promotion from a giant douchebag. I saw lots of accusations of thievery and lots of pedo accusations. I was however unable to find the source of either of those.
This was unpleasant, and my curiosity remains unsatisfied. :argh!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWLMkFmxck
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 01:49:20 PM
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.
Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"
I still don't get it.
That would be their history. Both Uncle BadTouch and Gorightly, who shamelessy swiped a bunch of Sondra London's stuff for his book.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 11, 2016, 11:42:31 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 11, 2016, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 09:08:03 AM
Johnny Shellburn is a made up character of Thornleys, but I don't think that was Uncle BadTouch no. Think we might have just banned Adam Gorightly based on the takeover information on kerrythornley.com
Hm... I suspect sooner or later there will be a rather ironic war over the trademarkable bits around Discordia with at least some participants claiming it's somehow ok because "Kopyleft", others with issues about exactly where and in what context their shit gets posted or published. I hope it's later rather than sooner. I want to see how far we go with this "corporations are people" thing because that could be a LOT of fun if the paperwork is just right. An actual non-profit org "representative of the Goddess Discordia and Discordian Society" with proper governing constitution could be the most fun since the invention of the acronym NGO. Of course that would also be profoundly complicated and easy to get fucked over on if you're not SERIOUS about the paperwork and litigation side.
From the Intermittens:
QuoteKopyleft is a myth. Oh, sure, Malaclypse the
Younger aka Gregory Hill made the fourth edition,
the best known of Principia Discordia, kopyleft.
But as he himself said in the 1979 introduction to the
Loompanics printing of the fourth, this was because
he didn't want his intentions to be misunderstood --
i.e., he didn't want to be sued. He said some of the
underground work was likely copyrighted by
someone else, and claiming copyright to someone
else's work is grounds for a lawsuit, especially as
some parts used in the "collage" of a book were
owned by major corporations.
It goes on for about two pages of the author giving all kinds of Elders Of Discordia background that IDGAF about to support his point.
I hate it when I'm right without examining the material. I'm going to read the thing and see what else comes to mind.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 11, 2016, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 01:49:20 PM
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.
Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"
I still don't get it.
That would be their history. Both Uncle BadTouch and Gorightly, who shamelessy swiped a bunch of Sondra London's stuff for his book.
I haven't been keeping up with it. As for the ban you mentioned earlier I wouldn't ban on association, but I also am not taking a vote in these any more, it's yourself Cain and ECHs decision.
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 11, 2016, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 11, 2016, 01:49:20 PM
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.
Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"
I still don't get it.
That would be their history. Both Uncle BadTouch and Gorightly, who shamelessy swiped a bunch of Sondra London's stuff for his book.
I haven't been keeping up with it. As for the ban you mentioned earlier I wouldn't ban on association, but I also am not taking a vote in these any more, it's yourself Cain and ECHs decision.
I didn't ban on association, really. The OP's email is from kerrythornley.com, which is owned by Uncle BadTouch.
I backed a ban on that basis, just for everyone's information.
I'm also sure the owner(s) of KerryThornley.com is not Adam Gorightly, though they did email him to launch the site when it started. The owners of said website have hidden their personal information via one of the more popular internet cut-out companies created to register a site for someone without their dox being on it. It's a company very popular with fake news sites, not the "haha, Onion ripoff" news sites, but more the "Obama has just banned prayer in the military" type websites.
In short, it's the kind of company which doesn't really care what its clients do with the sites they register for them, and so is perfect for someone with something to hide.
Oh ok, so it's not Gogrighty, not really sure who it is, but likely to be Uncle BadTouch so.
Someone who has gone out of their way to make their identity anonymous and then immediately brought up a "jake" where we were (admittedly empy) threatened with a law suit.
Fuck them so, I don't care who it is if its not Adam.
Am I the only one who gets super irrationally pissed when someone talking about Discordian stuff feels the need to use real names instead of the fictional ones? Like, who seriously gives a fuck if Malaclypse was Greg Hill or seven people living in a PO Box? It's not only irrelevant to your point, it's antithetical to the entire notion of a pen name, like constantly calling Dr. Seuss "Theodore Geisel" like that's what he wanted because it sure as fuck wasn't what do you think pen names are for anyway asshole.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 11, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
Am I the only one who gets super irrationally pissed when someone talking about Discordian stuff feels the need to use real names instead of the fictional ones? Like, who seriously gives a fuck if Malaclypse was Greg Hill or seven people living in a PO Box? It's not only irrelevant to your point, it's antithetical to the entire notion of a pen name, like constantly calling Dr. Seuss "Theodore Geisel" like that's what he wanted because it sure as fuck wasn't what do you think pen names are for anyway asshole.
It's to show what "insiders" they are.
Personally I would wait to see if the user does anything destructive or problematic before breaking out the banhammer but I am not an admin nor a mod nor do I really care enough.
I read through the issue more thoroughly, rather than just kind of generally looking it over as before. It seems well put together, and the style takes after the PD, and it includes a lot of silly which I personally have a large amount of respect for.
Unfortunately, none of the above makes up for the fact that it is also boring, uninteresting, clearly trying to namedrop all over the place, and worst of all, not funny.
As a Discordian Project, I was biased in its favor. I really wanted to like it. But it's not funny AT ALL. Like, not one single grin, laugh, smirk, smile, chuckle, or whif of wit is present.
The Principia Discordia, which has the over-the-top silly vibe throughout, provided a couple dozen true laugh-out-loud moments for me, because I'm that easy to amuse by being silly. Not so for this issue of intermittens. There was no Holy(tm), there was no Funny, there was no Horrormirth, there wasn't even much Mirth, and what was there felt strained.
Also, now that I spend a very long period last night reading his tripe, I can say without a doubt this issue smells of that group strongly.
And the only PDer they mention directly in the issue (aside from Cram) was TGRR, who I doubt would want his name anywhere in that issue for any reason, given the background.
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
Personally I would wait to see if the user does anything destructive or problematic before breaking out the banhammer but I am not an admin nor a mod nor do I really care enough.
I read through the issue more thoroughly, rather than just kind of generally looking it over as before. It seems well put together, and the style takes after the PD, and it includes a lot of silly which I personally have a large amount of respect for.
Unfortunately, none of the above makes up for the fact that it is also boring, uninteresting, clearly trying to namedrop all over the place, and worst of all, not funny.
As a Discordian Project, I was biased in its favor. I really wanted to like it. But it's not funny AT ALL. Like, not one single grin, laugh, smirk, smile, chuckle, or whif of wit is present.
The Principia Discordia, which has the over-the-top silly vibe throughout, provided a couple dozen true laugh-out-loud moments for me, because I'm that easy to amuse by being silly. Not so for this issue of intermittens. There was no Holy(tm), there was no Funny, there was no Horrormirth, there wasn't even much Mirth, and what was there felt strained.
Also, now that I spend a very long period last night reading his tripe, I can say without a doubt this issue smells of that group strongly.
And the only PDer they mention directly in the issue (aside from Cram) was TGRR, who I doubt would want his name anywhere in that issue for any reason, given the background.
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
They did what, now?
Oh, they're just whinging about us. Me, specifically. :lulz:
However, they did accuse us of making threats. We never make threats.
And if they're gonna tarnish my name, I'm sure as hell gonna reciprocate.
Starting with Gorightly.
AHEM:
https://www.facebook.com/sondra.london/posts/10210850726567075?pnref=story
It's the following:
Uncle BadTouch,
Miley Spears
Gorightly.
CALLED IT.
Just read it.
That WAS boring. Not one single laugh.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 11, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
AHEM:
https://www.facebook.com/sondra.london/posts/10210850726567075?pnref=story
Link dont work
I'm going to take a little break and finish it later after I can go vent some steam constructively. Parting thought for the moment:
:evilmad:
Did these pigfuckers really think that publicly showing that letter soliciting a conspiracy to pederasty and, in context of their little "publication", clearly acting to protect a likely child molester as "possibly" still alive was a wise move?
For the rest... guess they want to be all like THAT about PD on top of being super- jeeper-creeper pedos. That's just no way to go through life.
One thing was actually funny so far. TGRR's demiurge-like ability to inspire butthurt clearly left a mark on some folks. Yet my smile just doesn't seem to go all the way up to my eyes.
:) <- see?
Y I'm upSet
Eno' to do
Sumfin'
Kinda
Crazy :evil:
"Faust said he took it over, after it had been investigated by authorites."
No Uncle BadTouch, you're not THAT important, I took over hosting the site after a horrible war of attrition that made Lauren want to move on, but I am sure the investigation didn't help.
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
It was due to a few essays on his old site (http://www.uncle%20badtouch.org/).
Quote from: Faust on October 12, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
"Faust said he took it over, after it had been investigated by authorites."
No Uncle BadTouch, you're not THAT important, I took over hosting the site after a horrible war of attrition that made Lauren want to move on, but I am sure the investigation didn't help.
What investigation?
The site was briefly looked into IIRC as this was a decade ago, requests made for some messages. That was back in the day when they didn't hack or have access to that data on tap.
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
It was due to a few essays on his old site (http://www.uncle%20badtouch.org/).
I tried to find those but that website is very off-putting. I choose instead to take your word for it.
I'm also curious, the pdf in the OP used the term "Stfupid Cabal" in what I think was a reference to PD. I know Hate Rant Discordians is from Uncyclopedia, but what is "Stfupid Cabal" from? Was that made up specifically for this issue of Intermittens?
Quote from: trix on October 12, 2016, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
It was due to a few essays on his old site (http://www.uncle%20badtouch.org/).
I tried to find those but that website is very off-putting. I choose instead to take your word for it.
I'm also curious, the pdf in the OP used the term "Stfupid Cabal" in what I think was a reference to PD. I know Hate Rant Discordians is from Uncyclopedia, but what is "Stfupid Cabal" from? Was that made up specifically for this issue of Intermittens?
As far as I know. And they wrote the Uncyclopedia article too, IIRC.
Not that I mind being called a Hate Rant Discordian.
Quote from: trix on October 12, 2016, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
It was due to a few essays on his old site (http://www.uncle%20badtouch.org/).
I tried to find those but that website is very off-putting. I choose instead to take your word for it.
I'm also curious, the pdf in the OP used the term "Stfupid Cabal" in what I think was a reference to PD. I know Hate Rant Discordians is from Uncyclopedia, but what is "Stfupid Cabal" from? Was that made up specifically for this issue of Intermittens?
I suspect this is the relevant link hxxp://www.Uncle BadTouch.org/5bb/belief1.html
And if it's not what they're referencing, I don't want to see the worse thing.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 12, 2016, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: trix on October 12, 2016, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 12, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
It was due to a few essays on his old site (http://www.uncle%20badtouch.org/).
I tried to find those but that website is very off-putting. I choose instead to take your word for it.
I'm also curious, the pdf in the OP used the term "Stfupid Cabal" in what I think was a reference to PD. I know Hate Rant Discordians is from Uncyclopedia, but what is "Stfupid Cabal" from? Was that made up specifically for this issue of Intermittens?
I suspect this is the relevant link hxxp://www.Uncle BadTouch.org/5bb/belief1.html
And if it's not what they're referencing, I don't want to see the worse thing.
If that's the source of the pedo comments, I am more confused than ever.
That article seems to be mostly about maturity vs age. It even makes a couple of decent points, though the writer seems to have not thought some of the other points through well enough. The only reference to sex I can find in there is the part about age of consent in CA differing significantly between males and females.
There is a cumulative vibe when combining that articles and other LS materials i've seen elsewhere that is definitely uncomfortably skeevy, but I see nothing in that article that warrants accusations of pedophilia.
I have however seen other articles of his that toy with the concept of getting young girls pregnant in a way that comes off... uncomfortably. I don't really have the word ("ick", maybe) and while it's enough that I wouldn't want the guy teaching at a highschool or something, the amount of direct pedo accusations seemed to suggest something much more concrete than anything I've read on the guy so far.
Quote from: trix on October 12, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
If that's the source of the pedo comments, I am more confused than ever.
That article seems to be mostly about maturity vs age. It even makes a couple of decent points, though the writer seems to have not thought some of the other points through well enough. The only reference to sex I can find in there is the part about age of consent in CA differing significantly between males and females.
There is a cumulative vibe when combining that articles and other LS materials i've seen elsewhere that is definitely uncomfortably skeevy, but I see nothing in that article that warrants accusations of pedophilia.
I have however seen other articles of his that toy with the concept of getting young girls pregnant in a way that comes off... uncomfortably. I don't really have the word ("ick", maybe) and while it's enough that I wouldn't want the guy teaching at a highschool or something, the amount of direct pedo accusations seemed to suggest something much more concrete than anything I've read on the guy so far.
QuoteThe assumption that an 18-year-old is automatically more mature than a 16-year-old is
very common and, in many places, legally defined. The 21-year-old may be automatically
defined as more mature than the 17-year-old. And yet, many of us know a teen-ager who
behaves more maturely and shows more responsibility than someone else we know who
is much older. But the law ignores this. Unless that young person commits a heinous
crime--then in many cases e can be considered and tried as an adult. But act maturely
and responsibly, and you're a child.
...
Can someone have been completely incapable of adult responsibilities yesterday, but then
be completely capable today because of a birth anniversary?
While none of that outright states I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO FUCK 15 YEAR OLDS it's sure as hell the exact arguments people who fuck 15 year olds use to defend their actions.
Oh I absolutely agree. However, the argument is sound on its own merit, just ignores that reality is not that simple and the problem is not so straightforward.
While the cumulative effect of what you quoted along with other things put on the internet by Uncle BadTouch does very much lend a strong pedo vibe to my perceptions of the person, there's still a fallacy here.
It's true that some folks use arguments much like what you quoted to excuse some fucked up shit. That doesn't make anyone who makes that argument automatically involved with said fucked up shit.
It's like how lots and lots of people use the "self defense" defense falsely to try and avoid a murder conviction. It happens, some get away with it some do not, but no matter how many people falsely claim self defense, that does not mean that anyone who claims self defense is just trying to escape a murder conviction.
I've made a similar point to the text you quoted in real life, to justify allowing my sister to have her 17th bday party at my house with alcohol (with many safety rules in place and myself in sober attendance) even though the legal age for alcohol is 21.
I don't like being in the position of defending this person who does in fact seem creepy in the way he's been accused, but I also don't like the idea of labeling someone 'pedo' based on what appears to be a creepy vibe and heavy speculation.
Either way Uncle BadTouch has definitely done some stupid, pretentious, thieving bullshit so fuck him anyway.
Shit I just got this one fresh today. Is this taking things too far? I can never really tell.
All I gotta say is
Down with disco
Have you guys been by his "Discordia for Kids" section yet?
Or know what age "Miley Cyrus" was when she moved into the warehouse off of I-35 that they use as a commune?
In any case, I'm outta this conversation.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 12, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
Have you guys been by his "Discordia for Kids" section yet?
Or know what age "Miley Cyrus" was when she moved into the warehouse off of I-35 that they use as a commune?
In any case, I'm outta this conversation.
No, and I feel like going there will get me on one of those lists I really don't want to be on.
I have personally had conversations with Nightshade in which he ardently defended the position that it is not wrong for adults in their 30's to have sex with teenagers under 16.
He always worded it as a hypothetical and claimed that he himself does not want to have sex with underage teens.
However, legal disclaimers aside, I find it very strange for an adult who is not a developmental researcher to be as preoccupied as he was/is with the sexual expression of children. He may not be a child molester or a statutory rapist, but I wouldn't be comfortable allowing him around my kids.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 12, 2016, 09:56:50 PM
I have personally had conversations with Nightshade in which he ardently defended the position that it is not wrong for adults in their 30's to have sex with teenagers under 16.
Ah, in that case yeah, that pushes the creep-o-meter well past scary.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 12, 2016, 10:01:11 PM
He always worded it as a hypothetical and claimed that he himself does not want to have sex with underage teens.
However, legal disclaimers aside, I find it very strange for an adult who is not a developmental researcher to be as preoccupied as he was/is with the sexual expression of children. He may not be a child molester or a statutory rapist, but I wouldn't be comfortable allowing him around my kids.
Absofuckinglutely. :vom:
I now understand the allegations and like TGRR...
:enough:
I'm out.
Same. Said my bits. At this point I have nothing further to add.
Not for nothing, didn't Steve Jackson already add a copyright to his edition of the PD?
Quote from: LMNO on October 18, 2016, 07:42:55 PM
Not for nothing, didn't Steve Jackson already add a copyright to his edition of the PD?
They can only copyright the new material.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 18, 2016, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 18, 2016, 07:42:55 PM
Not for nothing, didn't Steve Jackson already add a copyright to his edition of the PD?
They can only copyright the new material.
Funny you guys should mention SJ. I have a partially birthed card game in my head and written out in very rough notation. It's explicitly Discordian and the thought of approaching SJ Games has been pushed into my head despite my best attempts to ignore it, and I'm REALLY good at ignoring things I don't think are relevant, but now I'm thinking it's relevant AF!
If I can get this out of my head (thanks!) and out to be a real thing I'm very comfortable with coming to some arrangements to get it "protected" but able to spread and get all Kopyleft. That is to say I care not for my "property rights" on this and would do it just to vastly outperform the disco shits and in so doing also make a better mark on the culture for Discordia. I hope They're writing that down somewhere. I'll post what I have so far elsewhere.
Whether folks get on the wagon or not (PLEASE DO IF YOU SEE FIT!) know that it's for PD, from which I pretty much draw all my experience for envisioning gameplay and mechanics, that I do this. If there's a value in it for SJ to possibly monetize that goes to PD too. Maybe NPR too IDK, but I'm dreaming guys.
Pitch it to The Oatmeal, instead. Their "Exploding Kittens" project turned out pretty well for themselves.
Quote from: LMNO on October 19, 2016, 02:59:10 PM
Pitch it to The Oatmeal, instead. Their "Exploding Kittens" project turned out pretty well for themselves.
The what now? I'll look into it for myself some, of course, but I don't know what you mean or why that may be preferable.
Oatmeal is a comic. They did a card game that was Kickstarted and completely obliterated their goal very quickly.
May be preferable, as they probably will be more willing to help than to co-opt and steal the idea, as Jackson might.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_Kittens
Quote from: LMNO on October 19, 2016, 08:06:01 PM
Oatmeal is a comic. They did a card game that was Kickstarted and completely obliterated their goal very quickly.
May be preferable, as they probably will be more willing to help than to co-opt and steal the idea, as Jackson might.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_Kittens
I looked it up. It's a pretty neat cardgame and the kickstarter/"indie" startup method certainly can work. I'd need to develop more understanding of that part of such a thing, but that process would be very rewarding.
Is there some previous beef with SJ that I'm unaware of? I don't understand what gives you the impression that he'd attempt to rob me of the idea if presented in good faith.
Steve Jackson, of Steve Jackson Games. Made all the Munchkin card games (read: fuckin' BANK). Also kind of a douchebag, I've heard. There is evidence I've seen supporting this - a package of invisible dice or maybe an invisible mini? that included a munchkin card that costed like 6 dollars. Also the card wasn't usable once you opened the packaging.
ETA: What the fuck is it with Steve Jacksons? Just read a wikipedia article about this one, who is American, and apparently there's a UK one who started Games Workshop.
Fuck GW. In the ear.
Quote from: Freeky on October 23, 2016, 04:06:34 AM
Steve Jackson, of Steve Jackson Games. Made all the Munchkin card games (read: fuckin' BANK). Also kind of a douchebag, I've heard. There is evidence I've seen supporting this - a package of invisible dice or maybe an invisible mini? that included a munchkin card that costed like 6 dollars. Also the card wasn't usable once you opened the packaging.
ETA: What the fuck is it with Steve Jacksons? Just read a wikipedia article about this one, who is American, and apparently there's a UK one who started Games Workshop.
Fuck GW. In the ear.
What did GW do? Other than atrocities of retail markup for, like, everything?
For myself I don't know anything much about the American SJ other than that his games company kinda saved my childhood and that they now have a fine ability to monetize cultural satire, which the game I envision is almost purely composed of. I'll admit that I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to thank him personally for his influence on my life, this from LONG before I even knew what the fuck fnord meant.
Games Workshop thinks it's totally fine to let your game be completely unbalanced. They said as much, almost in as many words. It was mostly done as a "Fuck you, America" stunt, because the tourney scene is a lot bigger here than anywhere else, but a lot of people aren't complaining about it, and some people are just happy to take advantage of the power differences between armies. Their Warhammer Fantasy reboot? No points. At all. Just throw models on the table, it'll be great! If a person cheats, just don't play with them! THESE ARE ACTUAL THINGS PRINTED IN THE ACTUAL RULES. WHAT THE FUCK.
Not to mention all the fuckery they pull with brick and mortar stores, and their products going out of stock and out of print within a year and players have to special order it (or find it on Ebay for an arm and a leg, which incidentally can get a brick and mortar store blacklisted from being a GW seller, selling GW products online). And they're about as sue-happy as Trump is.
ETA: I don't know much about SJG, either, only a hazy sort of wariness when it comes to IP. I've asked my friend for the deets, him being in those kinds of loops to hear the gossip.
Quote from: Freeky on October 23, 2016, 06:55:12 AM
Games Workshop thinks it's totally fine to let your game be completely unbalanced. They said as much, almost in as many words. It was mostly done as a "Fuck you, America" stunt, because the tourney scene is a lot bigger here than anywhere else, but a lot of people aren't complaining about it, and some people are just happy to take advantage of the power differences between armies. Their Warhammer Fantasy reboot? No points. At all. Just throw models on the table, it'll be great! If a person cheats, just don't play with them! THESE ARE ACTUAL THINGS PRINTED IN THE ACTUAL RULES. WHAT THE FUCK.
Not to mention all the fuckery they pull with brick and mortar stores, and their products going out of stock and out of print within a year and players have to special order it (or find it on Ebay for an arm and a leg, which incidentally can get a brick and mortar store blacklisted from being a GW seller, selling GW products online). And they're about as sue-happy as Trump is.
ETA: I don't know much about SJG, either, only a hazy sort of wariness when it comes to IP. I've asked my friend for the deets, him being in those kinds of loops to hear the gossip.
Sometimes I admire the ruthlessness of the Warhammer scam, but that sounds like they're just not trying to improve the game at all and have committed to fuckery in lieu of creativity. That's going to cost them in the end. I am pretty sure most of the 40k gamers of my acquaintance have given up on the new edition and only the fuckers in because they have buckets of disposable cash and a Space Marine fetish are still actually playing.
SJ Games is a totally different creature. They're still supporting some of their oldest titles. My only complaint was when I picked up a 5th ed "GURPS lite" pdf and realized that the bellcurve on attribute costs had been done away with for flat point cost per and the merti-flaw system had been fuckled. It removed what i considered elegance in the system's fairness and flexibility, but made the math easier and prevented certain forms of stat minmaxing so it's no big.
As a noob to Discordianism, falling straight down the Uncle BadTouch wormhole was a... way to spend several hours of my life that I will never get back, I guess. On the other hand, I didn't know that Minnie Rae was a real person and now the copy of Lost Girls that I found last year on the street is about to get read finally.
Oh and coming from a retired teenage prostitute, that LS dude is definitely a pedo.
Who made Cards Against Humanity? eh
L O R I E N L O V E S H A D E I S T H E Z O D I A C K I L L E R
Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 06, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
As a noob to Discordianism, falling straight down the Uncle BadTouch wormhole was a... way to spend several hours of my life that I will never get back, I guess. On the other hand, I didn't know that Minnie Rae was a real person and now the copy of Lost Girls that I found last year on the street is about to get read finally.
Oh and coming from a retired teenage prostitute, that LS dude is definitely a pedo.
Who made Cards Against Humanity? eh
CAH is self-published, isn't it? I don't remember who made it, but I do remember that they were kind enough to pop in here and plug it to us.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2016, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 06, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
As a noob to Discordianism, falling straight down the Uncle BadTouch wormhole was a... way to spend several hours of my life that I will never get back, I guess. On the other hand, I didn't know that Minnie Rae was a real person and now the copy of Lost Girls that I found last year on the street is about to get read finally.
Oh and coming from a retired teenage prostitute, that LS dude is definitely a pedo.
Who made Cards Against Humanity? eh
CAH is self-published, isn't it? I don't remember who made it, but I do remember that they were kind enough to pop in here and plug it to us.
I think it is but they may be able to advise on self-publishing too... also dang, I didn't know that so what I said x2
Whoever makes GURPS is good too, it's the one tabletop where I don't just drink and loudly demand nerdier types to do all the math for determining if my Lucille Bluth can seduce her way out of a sticky Golem situ
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Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 06, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2016, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 06, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
As a noob to Discordianism, falling straight down the Uncle BadTouch wormhole was a... way to spend several hours of my life that I will never get back, I guess. On the other hand, I didn't know that Minnie Rae was a real person and now the copy of Lost Girls that I found last year on the street is about to get read finally.
Oh and coming from a retired teenage prostitute, that LS dude is definitely a pedo.
Who made Cards Against Humanity? eh
CAH is self-published, isn't it? I don't remember who made it, but I do remember that they were kind enough to pop in here and plug it to us.
I think it is but they may be able to advise on self-publishing too... also dang, I didn't know that so what I said x2
Whoever makes GURPS is good too, it's the one tabletop where I don't just drink and loudly demand nerdier types to do all the math for determining if my Lucille Bluth can seduce her way out of a sticky Golem situ
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Now I want you in our gaming group.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 23, 2016, 05:06:11 PM
Quote from: Freeky on October 23, 2016, 06:55:12 AM
Games Workshop thinks it's totally fine to let your game be completely unbalanced. They said as much, almost in as many words. It was mostly done as a "Fuck you, America" stunt, because the tourney scene is a lot bigger here than anywhere else, but a lot of people aren't complaining about it, and some people are just happy to take advantage of the power differences between armies. Their Warhammer Fantasy reboot? No points. At all. Just throw models on the table, it'll be great! If a person cheats, just don't play with them! THESE ARE ACTUAL THINGS PRINTED IN THE ACTUAL RULES. WHAT THE FUCK.
Not to mention all the fuckery they pull with brick and mortar stores, and their products going out of stock and out of print within a year and players have to special order it (or find it on Ebay for an arm and a leg, which incidentally can get a brick and mortar store blacklisted from being a GW seller, selling GW products online). And they're about as sue-happy as Trump is.
ETA: I don't know much about SJG, either, only a hazy sort of wariness when it comes to IP. I've asked my friend for the deets, him being in those kinds of loops to hear the gossip.
Sometimes I admire the ruthlessness of the Warhammer scam, but that sounds like they're just not trying to improve the game at all and have committed to fuckery in lieu of creativity. That's going to cost them in the end. I am pretty sure most of the 40k gamers of my acquaintance have given up on the new edition and only the fuckers in because they have buckets of disposable cash and a Space Marine fetish are still actually playing.
SJ Games is a totally different creature. They're still supporting some of their oldest titles. My only complaint was when I picked up a 5th ed "GURPS lite" pdf and realized that the bellcurve on attribute costs had been done away with for flat point cost per and the merti-flaw system had been fuckled. It removed what i considered elegance in the system's fairness and flexibility, but made the math easier and prevented certain forms of stat minmaxing so it's no big.
It's apparently not a thing that only SJG does, it's everywhere I guess.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 06, 2016, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 06, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 06, 2016, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 06, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
As a noob to Discordianism, falling straight down the Uncle BadTouch wormhole was a... way to spend several hours of my life that I will never get back, I guess. On the other hand, I didn't know that Minnie Rae was a real person and now the copy of Lost Girls that I found last year on the street is about to get read finally.
Oh and coming from a retired teenage prostitute, that LS dude is definitely a pedo.
Who made Cards Against Humanity? eh
CAH is self-published, isn't it? I don't remember who made it, but I do remember that they were kind enough to pop in here and plug it to us.
I think it is but they may be able to advise on self-publishing too... also dang, I didn't know that so what I said x2
Whoever makes GURPS is good too, it's the one tabletop where I don't just drink and loudly demand nerdier types to do all the math for determining if my Lucille Bluth can seduce her way out of a sticky Golem situ
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Now I want you in our gaming group.
Ditto.