That makes me sick. It's also a dangerous game to play.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Cramulus on October 31, 2010, 03:04:33 PMOkay, just checking. In that case, I really like this. I am in love with metalanguage and metadescriptions that can carry over from one thing to another--in fact, it is the key to the way I learn--synthesizing and analogizing. For a musician, dancer and martial artist, this is pure gold.Quote from: Aleister Growly on October 31, 2010, 02:52:41 PM
If this is to be taken as reality rather than a way of thinking, it strikes me as sweet, delicious bullshit. The kind you know you should stop eating but you can't.
I think we are only capable of describing models. I don't think anybody is presenting this as a really for real true description of the universe - more of a thought experiment so far.
QuoteQuoteI have desperately wanted and tried to believe in a Jungian or Campbellian universal motif, but it's seemed wrong from any approach outside wishful thinking. Not only are archetypes ill-defined, they are supposed to be ineffable.
models cannot be true or false, they can only have degrees of usefulness.
QuoteIn this case I do think they are useful in that we can learn something about humanity, and ourselves, by examining the patterns which recur in nearly every culture.For William Blake via Northrop Frye, humanity is a single being which has fallen and forgotten itself. The highest aim is the remembrance of the identity of the great and primordial man, and to be a visionary who sees the unfallen world of wholeness. But, I'm wandering a bit afield.
QuoteQuoteFor same-level and interlevel pattern similarity, I would use the terms 'tesselation' and 'homology', respectively. Homology is the term we used in History of Chinese Religion class to describe the notion of the link between the microcosm and the macrocosm--e.g., between the health of the emperor and the wellbeing of the state. Tesselation refers to a shape that can fill a space with copies of itself all placed side-by-side. While that in and of itself does not require or directly suggest reproduction, I like the idea that certain shapes create a negative space patterned after themselves.
good notes... I wrote the bullet points in the above post before I saw this.. I think you're onto something with the homology. This calls for more research on my part.
Tesselation is definitely a nod in the right direction but I think it also implies uniformity, which does not sit well with complexity.
Quoteahh it turns out tessellation does not imply uniformity. my bad, I was thinking too hard about those escherian lizards
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 31, 2010, 01:43:51 PMProbably one of the points that needs clarification is are you trying to say that...
It's useful to think that were exist in these kind of fractals (in the Discordian-Bokonist sense that we can construct and develop our own sense of reality by consciously developing our own beliefs (Probably Cain's Discordianism and Perfect Nihilism is the type of thing i'm getting at.))
OR
We indeed DO live in these kinds of fractals. That there is objective value in examining the reactions of individuals in situations and applying these patterns to countries, in the same way that a scientist can experiment on a mouse to learn about humans.
Quote from: CramsI'm starting to think about fractal cult language and terminology -- and I'll need some help with this
1-----I need a word which describes a pattern which occurs multiple times at the same level of magnification - such as sarah palin and christina o'donnel.
2-----And I need a word which describes the similarity between a pattern at one level and a pattern at another level - such as the relationship between one's circulatory system and the economy
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on October 26, 2010, 03:05:36 AM
What's the back story on why you were googling "orgasm"?
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 17, 2010, 07:34:51 PMQuote from: Sigmatic on October 17, 2010, 07:32:02 PMA chick I knew in college was all "WTF is this shit. You got me worried call me in the morning if you still have my number"
You might have done. I'd go check.
ETA: Don't bother. If you did, they wouldn't have been legible.
Quote from: BadBeast on October 13, 2010, 01:26:36 AMWhat does that mean, exactly? He's not a reptilian?
Icke maybe out there, (even by Discordian standards) but I think he's probably one of the good guys
Quote from: Kai on October 10, 2010, 07:24:33 PMQuote from: Aleister Growly on October 10, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
Good stuff. I was in the bluegrass club at school. We had a jam every Saturday.Quote from: Charley Brown on October 08, 2010, 09:42:46 PM
I call it listening because with albums you can't just sit and hear, it requires participation. One has to change the albums, gently push the arm when it sticks and make sure the albums are clean.
All real listening requires participation.
Even if the participation is just mental.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 29, 2010, 06:21:57 PM
How did I miss THIS?
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 10, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
I remember hearing that DNA was conceptually visualised on LSD.