http://www.examiner.com/x-4112-Skepticism-Examiner~y2009m4d22-Just-shoot-me
QuoteBill Nye "The Science Guy" was booed in Waco, Texas for suggesting the Moon did not generate its own light, but reflected light from the sun.
Trouble started when the children's entertainer brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars," and pointed out that the lesser light was actually a reflector.
At this point, several people in the audience stormed out, including woman with three small children who shouted, "We believe in God!" and left.
Nye was taking part in McLennan Community College's Distinguished Lecture Series, giving talks on global warming, Mars exploration, and energy consumption, but it was the moon thing that got them.
According to Morgan Matthew, "This story originally appeared in the Waco Tribune, but the newspaper has mysteriously pulled its story from the online version, presumably to avoid further embarrassment."
I'm okay with this, since these people are also likely not to believe in modern medicine.
LAIL!!
"Trouble started when the children's entertainer brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars," and pointed out that the lesser light was actually a reflector.
"At this point, several people in the audience stormed out, including woman with three small children who shouted, "We believe in God!" and left."
1) The moon gives off its own light.
2) Therefore, God exists.
3) Profit.
If Christians didn't exist we would need to invent them for EPIC LAFFS.
He was trying to pick a fight. Or he was an idiot for not knowing his audience. :lulz:
I'm pretty sure it was the former. I saw him debate someone on Larry King once, I think it might've been Ben Stein, anyway, you can tell the guy likes stirring up the bees nest. That's a good thing of course.
What astounded me was that so many people actually believe the Moon gives off its own light. Did they scrub that bit out from all of the Elementary Earth Science books in Texas?
Quote from: RWHN on April 23, 2009, 01:43:46 PM
I'm pretty sure it was the former. I saw him debate someone on Larry King once, I think it might've been Ben Stein, anyway, you can tell the guy likes stirring up the bees nest. That's a good thing of course.
What astounded me was that so many people actually believe the Moon gives off its own light. Did they scrub that bit out from all of the Elementary Earth Science books in Texas?
Isn't the whole "project flat-earth" thing the Creationists are doing about banning Elementary Science and replacing it with Hans Christian Anderscience?
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Sadly, I would totally expect that your theory is the correct one. Jeebus, maybe the sucky economy is good for us if it keeps stupid idiots from getting jobs that actually have an impact on the general public.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
In that sense it seems like the last few centuries though.
Yeah but this one has PS3's
Don't forget the easy access pr0nz.
They can have all the fairy tales and pr0n they want as long as they aren't making laws or opperating heavy machinery...
...oh gawDAMMNIT! :argh!:
So do these people think that Volcanoes are just Mountains with Fire-Breathing Dragons living in them?
They're NOT!? :eek:
I thought they were birthing places for aliens and when I shampoo my hair they get in my brain...
I'd expect nothing less of Bill Nye than this.
Acorrding to a Texan freind of mine, this shouldn't be suprising, as Waco makes the rest of Texas look sane.
Bill Nye the Science Guy: still my hero after all these years.
I always preferred Beakman's World.
Nova / National Geographic World or GTFO. :p
A few more years into the degredation of the USA, and he could ahve gotten lynch for his trouble...
unbelievable.
Does In Search Of count?
Quote from: LMNO on April 23, 2009, 03:39:56 PM
Does In Search Of count?
Shit yeah, Leonard Nimoy talking about screaming skulls!
I need this. Now.
Oh, yeah
321 CONTACT AND SQUARE ONE BITCHES.
Hay y'all, guess which state has the greatest influence over public school textbooks nationwide.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/29/arts/textbook-publishers-learn-avoid-messing-with-texas.html
The dumber and dumber the Texans get, the more and more I support Texan Secession
Quote from: The Pariah on April 23, 2009, 04:10:13 PM
The dumber and dumber the Texans get, the more and more I support Texan Secession
Personally I think we should just give Texas back to Mexico. If they would even accept it.
Quote from: Hawk on April 23, 2009, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: The Pariah on April 23, 2009, 04:10:13 PM
The dumber and dumber the Texans get, the more and more I support Texan Secession
Personally I think we should just give Texas back to Mexico. If they would even accept it.
I think they'd accept it, but only under the condition that the wall stays where it is.
Quote from: LMNO on April 23, 2009, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 23, 2009, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: The Pariah on April 23, 2009, 04:10:13 PM
The dumber and dumber the Texans get, the more and more I support Texan Secession
Personally I think we should just give Texas back to Mexico. If they would even accept it.
I think they'd accept it, but only under the condition that the wall stays where it is.
:lulz: Damn, you're on a roll today!
Hey we didn't fight the Mexican American War for nothing!
Quote from: Jenne on April 23, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: RWHN on April 23, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 23, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
I always preferred Beakman's World.
Mr. Wizard.
...anybody remember "Slim Goodbody"?
Was that the guy that wore the one-piece cat-suit with organs painted on it?
I thought he was Richard Simmons when I was a kid.
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 23, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
I thought he was Richard Simmons when I was a kid.
I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Quote from: RWHN on April 23, 2009, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 23, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: RWHN on April 23, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 23, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
I always preferred Beakman's World.
Mr. Wizard.
...anybody remember "Slim Goodbody"?
Was that the guy that wore the one-piece cat-suit with organs painted on it?
Yup. I was both fascinated and repelled by him at the same time. Might have been a schoolgirl crush, too.
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimGoodbodyTV (http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimGoodbodyTV)
For those too young to recall the trauma.
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 23, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 23, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
I thought he was Richard Simmons when I was a kid.
I'm glad I'm not the only one!
I still did, right up until about now.
But seriously, I know states can't legally secede, but can we just kick them out?
this guy or GTFO "the professor"
(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/prof2.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzSKEruj70&feature=related + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQW6SKBbRWU&feature=related
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
this guy or GTFO "the professor"
(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/prof2.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzSKEruj70&feature=related + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQW6SKBbRWU&feature=related
Oh yeah, I could watch him forever. The most excited guy about physics in the known universe.
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
this guy or GTFO "the professor"
(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/prof2.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzSKEruj70&feature=related + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQW6SKBbRWU&feature=related
Dr Julius Sumner Miller, if memory serves. On the wonderful Hilarious House of Frightenstein.
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 23, 2009, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
this guy or GTFO "the professor"
(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/prof2.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzSKEruj70&feature=related + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQW6SKBbRWU&feature=related
Dr Julius Sumner Miller, if memory serves. On the wonderful Hilarious House of Frightenstein.
yes Dr Julius Sumner Miller "the Hilarious House of Frightenstein."
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 23, 2009, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
this guy or GTFO "the professor"
(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/prof2.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzSKEruj70&feature=related + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQW6SKBbRWU&feature=related
Dr Julius Sumner Miller, if memory serves. On the wonderful Hilarious House of Frightenstein.
yes Dr Julius Sumner Miller "the Hilarious House of Frightenstein."
Is he hitting a joint?!
It certainly looks that way.
Or he's playing a kazoo.
Or both.
Probably both.
Quote from: RWHN on April 23, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
It certainly looks that way.
Or he's playing a kazoo.
Or both.
Probably both.
Maybe it was a class on the physics of combustion?
it could be but i doubt it, some of the other caricatures it would be a good possibility :lulz: the show had a lot of 60s /grownup humor like super hippie(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/shippy3.jpg) and the psychedelic wolf man (http://www.frightenstein.com/images/wolf1.jpg)
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 07:34:47 PM
it could be but i doubt it, some of the other caricatures it would be a good possibility :lulz: the show had a lot of 60s /grownup humor like super hippie(http://www.frightenstein.com/images/shippy3.jpg) and the psychedelic wolf man (http://www.frightenstein.com/images/wolf1.jpg)
... Ummm ... WOW
That explains a lot about Canada.
:D
here you go wolf-man "Amos moses" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-s6bv70RsY
and super hippie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDnohJdQ4Q
Quote from: fomenter on April 23, 2009, 07:46:32 PM
here you go wolf-man "Amos moses" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-s6bv70RsY
and super hippie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDnohJdQ4Q
Amos Moses is a great song.
In response to the OP.
What the hell?!?!?
While the source of the Wave is from the sun the Photon is indeed produced by the moon. The biblical passage doesn't mention any Wave it mentions two lights. Broadcast light and reflected light (in reflected light the original photon is absorbed but the atom struck releases a photon with the same properties of the original) are very easily two lights.
What he should have said was the Sun IS a star.
Quote from: Cainad on April 23, 2009, 03:11:00 PM
Bill Nye the Science Guy: still my hero after all these years.
Seriously. I used to go home and immediately flip PBS on so I could watch his show. His adult science show (Eyes of Nye, is the name I think) is pretty great, too.
;D I got lucky. One of my science teachers in high school is his cousin and she's a lot like his TV personality. He's apparently a dick in person. She, on the other hand, is hands down the sweetest little lady on earth .
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 23, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cainad on April 23, 2009, 03:11:00 PM
Bill Nye the Science Guy: still my hero after all these years.
Seriously. I used to go home and immediately flip PBS on so I could watch his show. His adult science show (Eyes of Nye, is the name I think) is pretty great, too.
;D I got lucky. One of my science teachers in high school is his cousin and she's a lot like his TV personality. He's apparently a dick in person. She, on the other hand, is hands down the sweetest little lady on earth .
I used to watch him on "Almost Live" as Speedwalker and Bill Nye.
Quote from: A Pesky Nonvoting Screeching on April 23, 2009, 08:45:11 PM
What he should have said was the Sun IS a star.
He did say that if you click the link and read the other story farther down on the page.
Quote from: Dr Goofy on April 23, 2009, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: A Pesky Nonvoting Screeching on April 23, 2009, 08:45:11 PM
What he should have said was the Sun IS a star.
He did say that if you click the link and read the other story farther down on the page.
Tee hee!
Awesome.
Bill Nye is a god. That is all.
Quote from: Zenpeanut on April 23, 2009, 06:25:13 PM
But seriously, I know states can't legally secede, but can we just kick them out?
I believe Texas is the only one allowed to do so, as apart of their deal with Honest Abe
for joining the Union over the Rebels
http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm
QuoteThe South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.[6]
It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
There is, evidently, a movement currently to try to introduce a secession bill for eastern Oregon and Washington... not from the union, but simply to form a new state. I'm completely in favor. They are functionally a different people on that side of the Cascades, they should have their own state and identity.
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 23, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: Zenpeanut on April 23, 2009, 06:25:13 PM
But seriously, I know states can't legally secede, but can we just kick them out?
I believe Texas is the only one allowed to do so, as apart of their deal with Honest Abe
for joining the Union over the Rebels
http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm
QuoteThe South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.[6]
It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
Actually, they can't succeed. I'll have to go find the link, but that wasn't part of the deal. It can split into four states if it likes, but can't leave the union. Why would Lincoln give them that option when there had just been a *war* about it? Texans are strange, strange people but they're not politically inept (Bush is a carpet bagger, while LBJ was born and bred in the Hill Country of Texas).
Why would Lincoln give them that option
he didn't he just didn't require them to change their state Constitution
thats why Waco is included in the brainwashing kit
@nigel thought it was eastern washington and to counterbalance the elephants would allow DC a few seats of donkeys
while it makes sense so say king country/seattle doesnt set policy for the entire state.
it does fubar things like food production, as the new state would be land locked yet growing things like apples for export
also would almost encourage the hong kong takeover of western ports
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 26, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
Why would Lincoln give them that option
he didn't he just didn't require them to change their state Constitution
thats why Waco is included in the brainwashing kit
@nigel thought it was eastern washington and to counterbalance the elephants would allow DC a few seats of donkeys
while it makes sense so say king country/seattle doesnt set policy for the entire state.
it does fubar things like food production, as the new state would be land locked yet growing things like apples for export
also would almost encourage the hong kong takeover of western ports
It's both Oregon and Washington, and a lot of landlocked states (which is most of them) export food just fine.
you must be confused i ment fubar things for the old state
Hahahaha!
I love this decade.
Quote from: Richter on April 23, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
He was trying to pick a fight. Or he was an idiot for not knowing his audience. :lulz:
If Bill Nye picked a fight, there'd be eviscerated Texans all over the fucking landscape.
TEST. DO FUCKING NEVER.
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
Good thing they walked out
The moon is not a big ball of light in the sky
who believes that nonsense....
:lulz:
also how does the moon reflecting the sun's light mean you can't believe in gods
if im reading it correct he was just pointing out the bible is not a scientific document
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
Sagan?
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 05, 2010, 03:18:09 AM
who believes that nonsense....
Texas, most of Florida, and the greater Phoenix area.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
he did "Eyes of Nye" for a while
which was more geared towards adults but had all the air of his old kid show... so it was awesome
I haven't seen it for a while so i dont know if he still does it
Quote from: Kai on January 05, 2010, 03:18:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
Sagan?
Nye did it longer, more regularly, and didn't have an annoying voice that sounded like a drowning sloth.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 05, 2010, 03:19:41 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
he did "Eyes of Nye" for a while
which was more geared towards adults but had all the air of his old kid show... so it was awesome
I haven't seen it for a while so i dont know if he still does it
Dunno.
But I've watched a lot of his stuff on Youtube (the Autotune stuff is AMAZING), and I really like him. I shall spare him, come the apocalypse. Fuck, I'll HIRE him.
Quote from: Kai on January 05, 2010, 03:18:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
Sagan?
I would go with Nye... most of the people I know have found memories of Bill Nye... Sagan not everyone has seen.
Though it probably isn't fair cause Nye specifically targeted kids
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 05, 2010, 03:21:18 AM
Quote from: Kai on January 05, 2010, 03:18:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
I remember Bill Nye! He was (and prolly still is) awesome!
Is. Bill Nye is alive and well, and doing good work.
The guy has probably done more for propagating scientific thought to the layman than any other person ever.
Sagan?
I would go with Nye... most of the people I know have found memories of Bill Nye... Sagan not everyone has seen.
Though it probably isn't fair cause Nye specifically targeted kids
Yep. Sagan preached to the choir, for the most part. Nye got 'em young.
He was used as a lifeline on Who Wants To Be A Millionnaire a few months back. Maybe more than a few months... But I was like "Hoshit it's Bill Nye the Science Guy! OMG I LUV YOU BILL!" My mom gave me a funny look.
I like Sagan more as a scholar/author, and Nye more as an educator.
But fuck me if I forgot about this. Poor Bill. I'm surprised he had the guts to publicly point out a bible flaw in Texas. Guy's a badass, but there were probably several itchy trigger fingers in that audience.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
EDIT: Also, Bill Nye is brilliant. But that's old news here, as I can see.
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
The girl is obviously not at fault. The school is, for expecting their students to pay the fuck attention.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:30:10 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
The girl is obviously not at fault. The school is, for expecting their students to pay the fuck attention.
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
QuoteI met a teenager the other day who had never heard of the holocaust
"Oh yeah that hitler guy I've heard of him"
that kid obviously hasn't read enough pat buchanan
http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
:lulz:
Warning
The above article is Buchanan being an apologist for Hitler... Im not fucking kidding...
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:30:10 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
The girl is obviously not at fault. The school is, for expecting their students to pay the fuck attention.
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
Tey touced upon it wen I was in school But that was six years ago I learned it in my sophomore year.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 05, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
that kid obviously hasn't read enough pat buchanan
http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
Of course he wanted war. IIRC, the whole reason that the war started was that Hitler amassed a huge army and the Allies didn't do shit about it. Some people are idiots.
He even wrote a book about it.
I'll sum it up for you
Big bad allies attacked poor old Hilter forcing him to kill the Jews and leaving the poor Christians at the mercy of the big bad communists.
And yes this clown still has a job as a commentator at msnbc
cause of course no one there would call him out on it, just remove the link from their site and pretend it never happened
Its fucking circus out there
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:30:10 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
The girl is obviously not at fault. The school is, for expecting their students to pay the fuck attention.
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
I remember getting about 30 minutes of it, before the hippies teaching us wanted to talk about the 50s.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:51:21 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
I remember getting about 30 minutes of it, before the hippies teaching us wanted to talk about the 50s.
I actually find that really funny, because I haven't learned anything at all about the 50s in school, and I'm in Grade 12. But then, you were in school quite some time ago, I suppose.
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:51:21 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
I remember getting about 30 minutes of it, before the hippies teaching us wanted to talk about the 50s.
I actually find that really funny, because I haven't learned anything at all about the 50s in school, and I'm in Grade 12. But then, you were in school quite some time ago, I suppose.
:crankey:
Fucking kids. *waves cane menacingly, coughs consumptively*
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 05, 2010, 03:35:16 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
The girl is obviously not at fault. The school is, for expecting their students to pay the fuck attention.
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
Tey touced upon it wen I was in school But that was six years ago I learned it in my sophomore year.
just be happy you didn't have to suffer through Canadian History class
I still get flashbacks of extreme boredom
:sad:
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Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
Relevant: http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=91974
:horrormirth:
The girl is obviously not at fault. The school is, for expecting their students to pay the fuck attention.
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
Tey touced upon it wen I was in school But that was six years ago I learned it in my sophomore year.
just be happy you didn't have to suffer through Canadian History class
I still get flashbacks of extreme boredom
:sad:
Up til age 13, I was in St Johns, so I feel for ya.
"and in 1953, Canada grew XX bushel weights of rye, YY bushel weights of barley, ZZ bushel weights of wheat...in 1954, this was increased by almost 4% to dronedronedronedrone WAKE UP YOUNG MAN!"
Canadian history is awful and I'm glad I only had it for two years. There are downsides to living in a young, relatively peaceful country.
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Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 05, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
that kid obviously hasn't read enough pat buchanan
http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
Of course he wanted war. IIRC, the whole reason that the war started was that Hitler amassed a huge army and the Allies didn't do shit about it. Some people are idiots.
Hitler's actions from 1936 onwards were all designed to provoke war, and he got very angry when the Allies refused to play ball at, say, Munich. Stropped around the place and shouted at people a lot. Its very well documented, for instance, in Ian Kershaw's
Nemesis, the comprehensive Hitler biography.
But then, Buchanan was never really much of a historian, just a weirdo Hitler and Prussian autocracy fanboi.
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 06:00:05 AM
Canadian history is awful and I'm glad I only had it for two years. There are downsides to living in a young, relatively peaceful country.
American history is distorted like a fun house mirror. No, seriously. Did you know that we won both wars with a tiny bit of help from our allies? Also, we love to teach about the noble Native American, right up until we discovered oil in Oklahoma. Then you never hear about them ever again. Also, we didn't give those Indians smallpox-infected blankets, the British did. Because the British were running things in, oh, 1820.
The World, According to the British Education Cirriculum
Egyptians did some stuff.
Greeks did some stuff.
Romans did some stuff.
A little bit later...
The War of the Roses
The Tudors
The Stuarts
A little bit later...
World War One starts. Fucking Germans.
Boring bit.
World War Two starts. Fucking Germans. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Soviets. Also, Holocaust.
A little bit later...
its today!
Quote from: Cain on January 05, 2010, 02:51:39 PM
The World, According to the British Education Cirriculum
Egyptians did some stuff.
Greeks did some stuff.
Romans did some stuff.
A little bit later...
The War of the Roses
The Tudors
The Stuarts
A little bit later...
World War One starts. Fucking Germans.
Boring bit.
World War Two starts. Fucking Germans. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Soviets. Also, Holocaust.
A little bit later...
its today!
American history:
First there was the void, and it barfed out George Washington.
Then something something civil war something something WE SAVED THE WORLD THE END.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 03:56:18 AM
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Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
I remember getting about 30 minutes of it, before the hippies teaching us wanted to talk about the 50s.
I actually find that really funny, because I haven't learned anything at all about the 50s in school, and I'm in Grade 12. But then, you were in school quite some time ago, I suppose.
:crankey:
Fucking kids. *waves cane menacingly, coughs consumptively*
my WWII history was taught by an army colonel so i had to learn all pattons strategic movements and various battle logistics :crankey: USELESS
Quote from: Cain on January 05, 2010, 02:51:39 PM
The World, According to the British Education Cirriculum
Egyptians did some stuff.
Greeks did some stuff.
Romans did some stuff.
A little bit later...
The War of the Roses
The Tudors
The Stuarts
A little bit later...
World War One starts. Fucking Germans.
Boring bit.
World War Two starts. Fucking Germans. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Soviets. Also, Holocaust.
A little bit later...
its today!
The Scottish Curriculum:
In Primary School:
Egyptians, maybe. But not much else.
In Secondary School:
The Great War (Covered in English class, via poetry)
The Industrial Revolutions (A big assed multi faceted look at the various different revolutions that get bundled under THE Industrial Revolution tag)
How is Edinburgh formed? (mostly the New Town development)
Voting reforms (mostly focused on the Suffragettes)
The rise of the Third Reich (From 1918 to 1939)
The Russian Revolution (from 1890 to 1924)
At least, that was what I had covered.
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
I got my request to get into AP Euro denied. :cry:
And frankly, America was boring and taught with way too much liberal guilt for me to bother retaining any of the information imparted there. World history was neat though. Them ancient civilizations were NIFTY.
Not like I remember diddly squat about them. :lol:
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
I'm in the same tub, baker.
except the Europen History... huh, i don't even think that was offered separate from the World History (which was pretty much European History with little bits about non western civ)
That's definitely one thing i'm going to press hard for with my children's education is that they have decent history taught to them.
Hell, I need to brush up. Most of the history books I have read since high school are about specific facets of a time and place rather than an overview.
I feel the need to review the big picture so that I can place the various details properly....
Anybody got suggestions on a good World or US history "textbook"?
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Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 05, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
Schools teach WWII in the States?
^Shit, I know that sounds insulting, but the overall impression I've gotten of the country over the last few months is less than flattering.
I remember getting about 30 minutes of it, before the hippies teaching us wanted to talk about the 50s.
I actually find that really funny, because I haven't learned anything at all about the 50s in school, and I'm in Grade 12. But then, you were in school quite some time ago, I suppose.
:crankey:
Fucking kids. *waves cane menacingly, coughs consumptively*
my WWII history was taught by an army colonel so i had to learn all pattons strategic movements and various battle logistics :crankey: USELESS
Not useless.
When you invade Minnesota, you'll be glad you sat through that.
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
I just spent 32 years reading every history book I could find.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 05, 2010, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
I'm in the same tub, baker.
except the Europen History... huh, i don't even think that was offered separate from the World History (which was pretty much European History with little bits about non western civ)
That's definitely one thing i'm going to press hard for with my children's education is that they have decent history taught to them.
Hell, I need to brush up. Most of the history books I have read since high school are about specific facets of a time and place rather than an overview.
I feel the need to review the big picture so that I can place the various details properly....
Anybody got suggestions on a good World or US history "textbook"?
For a slightly spooky and very engaging take on World War II, get
Human Smoke by Nicholson Baker. Srsly.
I've heard that
Guns, Germs, and Steel has received some criticism, and he does come to some pretty far-reaching conclusions, but if nothing else it was good for getting me to think about history in a global context.
That's all I've got off the top of my head.
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Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
I'm in the same tub, baker.
except the Europen History... huh, i don't even think that was offered separate from the World History (which was pretty much European History with little bits about non western civ)
That's definitely one thing i'm going to press hard for with my children's education is that they have decent history taught to them.
Hell, I need to brush up. Most of the history books I have read since high school are about specific facets of a time and place rather than an overview.
I feel the need to review the big picture so that I can place the various details properly....
Anybody got suggestions on a good World or US history "textbook"?
We read chapters from this for a class in college: http://www.amazon.com/Human-Web-Birds-Eye-World-History/dp/0393925684/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262711485&sr=8-1
You make a good point. I really ought to go back through and read the whole thing. It was well-presented and interesting, what I read of it, and it really couldn't hurt to have at least a tenuous grasp on history.
Re: Cainad's comment... I haven't read Guns, Germs, and Steel, but I hear it's great. It's on my To Read list.
Cainad,
currently reading G,G,&S, but took a break in the middle of it to read Confessions of Economic Hitman... (coworker let me borrow it so I felt compelled)
Will get back to it shortly (reading takes so long these days. Pretty much get all my reading during my excremeditation sessions)
I think the real value of an extensive high school history education, for me at least, is that it provides a basic imprint of history onto which I can apply more detailed information as it strikes my fancy to learn about it. I have a much better-developed sense of historical context, if not specific knowledge, than many people who didn't have the opportunities I had.
Also, LOL @ "excremeditation" :lol:
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Also, LOL @ "excremeditation" :lol:
This is a time-honored Subgenius ritual.
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Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
I just spent 32 years reading every history book I could find.
...Moe keeps poking Curly...
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
I just spent 32 years reading every history book I could find.
...Moe keeps poking Curly...
I was thinking the exact same shit.
GET OUT OF MY HEAD, ALPHAPANCE! :crankey:
(And be sure to disinfect yourself before touching your wife and/or pets. Seriously. There's some vile muck up in there.)
I don't think I can help myself.
YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR SUBVERSIVE FILTH INTO MY MUSICS, YOU HORRIBLE RAIN-PISSING CELESTIAL FREAK!
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Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
I just spent 32 years reading every history book I could find.
This is the correct history learning method
Quote from: LMNO on January 05, 2010, 05:35:54 PM
I don't think I can help myself.
YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR SUBVERSIVE FILTH INTO MY MUSICS, YOU HORRIBLE RAIN-PISSING CELESTIAL FREAK!
YOU GOT YOUR MUSIC IN MY FILTH.
Reese's Hateshit Cups: Good music and vile hatred brought together to make one great taste you shit blood and like it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 05, 2010, 05:35:54 PM
I don't think I can help myself.
YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR SUBVERSIVE FILTH INTO MY MUSICS, YOU HORRIBLE RAIN-PISSING CELESTIAL FREAK!
YOU GOT YOUR MUSIC IN MY FILTH.
Reese's Hateshit Cups: Good music and vile hatred brought together to make one great taste you shit blood and like it.
Mmmmm. Schadenfreude-licious!
Quote from: Cain on January 05, 2010, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Suddenly, I feel very privileged to have taken AP World History, AP American History, and AP European History in high school...
Cainad,
still barely knows diddly squat, but at least I had the chance
I just spent 32 years reading every history book I could find.
This is the correct history learning method
Problem: Now I have a pretty good idea of what really happened, but it doesn't match up to what anyone else I talk to knows. My old truths have been replaced by shiny new stories.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 05:39:01 PMProblem: Now I have a pretty good idea of what really happened, but it doesn't match up to what anyone else I talk to knows. My old truths have been replaced by shiny new stories.
Wecome to PD.com: Where we study the truths you've ignored.
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 23, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
Maybe there's a generation of people who've never been exposed to the facts. I love this century :lulz:
In that sense it seems like the last few millenium though.
Fixed! "All of human existence" would have also been an acceptable answer.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2010, 11:31:46 AM
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Canadian history is awful and I'm glad I only had it for two years. There are downsides to living in a young, relatively peaceful country.
American history is distorted like a fun house mirror. No, seriously. Did you know that we won both wars with a tiny bit of help from our allies? Also, we love to teach about the noble Native American, right up until we discovered oil in Oklahoma. Then you never hear about them ever again. Also, we didn't give those Indians smallpox-infected blankets, the British did. Because the British were running things in, oh, 1820.
Actually I got pretty lucky through my schooling. In 8th grade my teacher told the class, "I'm going to teach you American History, and I need you to understand that it isn't all pretty. We have done some pretty terrible things, and I'm not going to gloss over that." We learned all kinds of things about what we did to the Native Americans. She was also specifically educated in World War Two history and taught shit at a Seminar in her spare time about the Holocaust. In tenth grade we went over World War Two again in pretty deep detail, not just the American bits; they even took us to see "Downfall" in the art theatre. And then my Eleventh Grade U.S. History teacher kind of moved past World War Two relatively quickly because he realized most of us had learned it several times and went on to talk about stuff post-WW2. We spent a pretty big section on Segregation and Jim Crow laws. Although I was kind of disappointed that all he mentioned of Reagan was the cold war and Reagonomics. I still need to do some more reading on what Reagan did.
He declared Ketchup to be a vegetable.
Quote from: LMNO on January 06, 2010, 01:09:23 PM
He declared Ketchup to be a vegetable.
It is obviously a fruit spread.
Reagan also made a monkey go to sleep after teaching him proper morals.
Everything you need to know about Reagan can be summed up in Iran-Contra.
Or the ketchup thing, if you're good enough at Lo5ing it.
To be clear: the Gvt was under fire for not providing nutricious food in it's federal school lunch programs. So, they declared that ketchup and relish were not condiments, but vegetables, so that a meal of french fries and ketchup could be classified as "healthy".
tl;dr -- fuck the poor.
Quote from: LMNO on January 06, 2010, 02:59:11 PM
To be clear: the Gvt was under fire for not providing nutricious food in it's federal school lunch programs. So, they declared that ketchup and relish were not condiments, but vegetables, so that a meal of french fries and ketchup could be classified as "healthy".
tl;dr -- fuck the poor.
To this day, my stepfather insists that ketchup is his favourite vegetable. He's Canadian. :x