(So I've finished talking about me. Just to prove I'm not a raging egotist, I'll write about something else: you. Now I realize that in doing this I run the risk of both pissing people off by getting it wrong, and retreading old tired themes that were run into the ground like two years ago. But if I worried about that all the time, I'd be paralyzed out of writing anything.)
Ok, so in my last rant I talked a little about the differences in my experiences with Discordianism as a philosophy/religion/whatever and those with Discordians as people. I've been thinking abouth this for a while and the pot boileth over.
The other day somebody posted a link to this page (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Discordianism). I thought it was dead on in many ways (as well as funny ;)). Especially check out the section on "Followers".
I suddenly realized after reading this how to put into waords what had been sitting in the back of my mind: A Discordian (at least the kind who hangs out here) is not a follower of Discordianism. Here, a follower of Discordianism is called a n00b. Somebody who takes it all seriously, thinks a lot about Eris all the time, and treats it as a concrete philosophy (whatever that means).
A Discordian (dare I even say it, a "real" Discordian) is somebody who has figured It out. Such people just Do Their Thing. They don't "try too hard". they have learned the lessons that are out there, both in Discordian stuff and in their own minds. They are the Holy Men and Shit Heads. They have really figured out that Hill was nonsense. (This paragraph is 80% cliches. It sucks.)
Now, that's not to say that it's just bullshit. After all, we say that to each other, and to ourselves, quite a bit, but when some n00b, or even some totally unclued person who you tried to drag into it, says such a thing, it doesn't feel the same. You don't look at them proudly and say, "Damn, you're fast!" (At least, not seriously. ;)) There's just some kind of understanding process that has to occur, so that you can end up right where you started, but somehow, it's somewhere else.
I have several time heard Discordianism called "the Zen of the West" (usually by Neo-Pagan types). I think this is what they mean. I have often thought that Zen being bullshit, and those goofy koans where the student is enlightened after getting the boot to the head, were pointing to exactly this. Try reading The Gateless Gate (http://www.csudh.edu/phenom_studies/mumonkan/mumonkan.htm) and see if you agree. It is not just enough to be able to call it bullshit. You also have to know why and what kind.
So what does this mean? What am I going to do with my awesome knowledge? What am I going to tell you all to do, my WTF-saying audience? Damned if I know. It's really just yet another case of pulling back the flap and saying, "Oh, look. There's me again." So all it tells me is that I should do whatever it is I'm doing (and so should you do what you're doing). Or maybe, it's that I will do it whether I know/intend it or not.
Well, that's all I've got. I realize I'm arrogating "non-n00b" status for myself and that's a dangerously asshattish thing to do. I can only say what I think, though, or say nothing at all. (Of course, sometimes I think nothing, so I say a lot of nothing. ;)) What can I say, last night I have to convince yunz I really am just a n00b, and tonight I'm trying to convince you I'm a Man Of The World. What the hell. And besides, I'm just new to the board, not to the concepts.
And I think I need a keyboard macro to type "Discordianism". Damn, that's a long word.
not bad
i would like to point out:
1. not everything you read about discordianism here represents the true thoughts of them what wrote it.
2. the people here who are the most vocal about discordianism being shit, eris is not real, etc., etc.
are subgenii, not discordian. there's a difference.
[edit: fixed a grammatical error. yes, i know. who cares? i care!]
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2. the people here who are the most vocal about discordianism being shit, eris is not real, etc., etc.
are subgenii, not discordian. there's a difference.
Yes, the Subgenii are superior.
We aren't saying we're SMARTER, mind you. We're saying we're BETTER.
May be something to that. I keep getting pwnd by Subgenii.
Quote from: ataraxiaMay be something to that. I keep getting pwnd by Subgenii.
That is our primary function.
Besides Sexhurt(tm), and Accubeating(tm).
What's wrong with thinking about Eris all the time,if thats what I like to do.
If I take discordianism and make it a concrete(or cement) philosophy,whats the big deal,especially if it works for me.
If I wish to take Eris seriously,thats between me and eris.There is no sin as long as i don't try to force anyone else to take Eris seriously.
Anyone who claims to have figured IT out is trying to sell you a shovel.
Doing Your Own Thing is well and dandy,as long as you know what your thing is.It is also about letting Others do Their Own Thing.And thats when it gets tricky.What happen when Someone Doing Thier Own Thing Interferes With You Doing our Own Thing.
We of the COE consider our belief structure to be bullshit,but thats ok,because bullshit makes the flowers grow,and thats beautiful.
Just because Hill was nonsense,doesn't mean he doesn't make sense.
I have saids it before,one Eris can truly say who is or who isn't a real discordian.None of us has the qualifications,nor the right to.The moment we try,we become no better then Gruad Greyface.
Discordian Is,is what Discordian Is,and that is up to the individual to decide for themselves.We can post our ideas and opinions about it,and maybe influence one another,butt thats all we can do. No one here is truly superior to anyone else,IN THE EYES OF ERIS.We are all popes of our own madness
Quote from: Verthaine
Anyone who claims to have figured IT out is trying to sell you a shovel.
Thanks for reminding me, Verthaine...Subgenii are also expert salesmen.
TGRR,
Says the shovel is free, with purchase of 50 Lbs of horseshi...fertilizer.
Yeah that's one thing that gets me about this board, it is the hestation to post something for fear of being considered a n00b and getting flamed by a bunch of subgenii..actually it doesn't get me at all, it's just kind of stupid.
at the same time I remember when X-day happened and everybody was standing around all early in the morning and no spaceships showed up, there was this sort of pretentious guy passing around little discordian pamphlets saying something about haha, now check out this silly subgenii...23 skidoo..
All in all, zen is a deep concept which is compatible with discordianism in the sense that being a evolution of buddhism it realizes to a certain degree that the self is an illusion, and that suffering comes from this concept of attainment and desire, wishing the world was different from how it is, zen or sitting there is just kind of a realization that we spend so much time projecting our ego onto the world that we think that we are real, when in fact we are not these seperate entities but a interconnected life flow...
going from that though there is a certain amount of dogma associated with even the zen buddhism of Japan in that they don't steal or get intoxicated or tell lies.
there is also the concept of doing right.
i see more in common with taoism in the sense of understanding the flow, understanding eris as an embodiment of the principles of the universal life force that we all are/are a part of, even if it is all a fictional label...
i see discordianism as understanding that too a large degree objective reality is not something that exists outside of ourselves but something that is filtered through our minds. what we think is real is what we see as real, where we can alter the way we see things in order to alter their reality in terms of how they affect us, kind of the way the filter of capitalism creates these fictions of property and currency and then situates them into terms where people think of a space as REAL estate, and empower the government and the idea of the rulers in the state. Where they go into a store and pledge allegiance to the economy in terms of dollars that just tranfers more life into a system where the rich get the most out of it.
Many people don't realize the subjectivity of currency, they think of money as real...
That is one of the things I've always enjoyed about the discordian society vs. the subgenii and something I was talking about earlier. They've always embraced a kind of it's a suckers game so lets suck the money out of them, which has given the subgenii more space and venues in real life, such as renting the pagan campgrounds for X day. They hold devivals and make cash and sell shit. Where as the discordians have no prophets.
Of course now I don't believe that these so called individuals who think that they get it have really gotten anything other than a kind of elitist attitude and laid back lets just laugh at the people who come in here and think they got anything out of the BOOK whose domain we are talking on, while we go on and post a million inane comments as if they were insightful or enlightened other than just the social gibberish of a particular internet clique. But perhaps I'm wrong, a lot of people do come in here and seem to spout off a lot of trash talking and then leave, but what do you expect out of a religion that is based upon the goddess of chaos, confusion and disorder whose sole history to the Greek world is that of someone who was disinvited to a party and tossed in a apple that wreaked social havok and caused major drama as well as the first war.
But if you look at it more closely, what happened is Man trys to suppress Chaos, and because of this he finds himself vainly stroking his ego deciding between power, fame or a woman, because he has suppressed the womans role and stolen her power through the imposition of patriarchy. Literally he goes over and steals Helen (i believe) and then her dad comes over and trys to start a war cuz he stole his daughter aka property. I do think that there is some more to the story than just that.
Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.
I'm not advocating anything these are just some thoughts.
Quote from: metapunkYeah that's one thing that gets me about this board, it is the hestation to post something for fear of being considered a n00b and getting flamed by a bunch of subgenii..actually it doesn't get me at all, it's just kind of stupid.
And yet, here you are.
Quote from: metapunkat the same time I remember when X-day happened and everybody was standing around all early in the morning and no spaceships showed up, there was this sort of pretentious guy passing around little discordian pamphlets saying something about haha, now check out this silly subgenii...23 skidoo..
Um, Where were people standing around? Are you really THAT stupid? :lol:
Quote from: metapunkAll in all, zen is a deep concept which is compatible with discordianism in the sense that being a evolution of buddhism it realizes to a certain degree that the self is an illusion, and that suffering comes from this concept of attainment and desire, wishing the world was different from how it is, zen or sitting there is just kind of a realization that we spend so much time projecting our ego onto the world that we think that we are real, when in fact we are not these seperate entities but a interconnected life flow...
KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBAYAH, My lord, Kumbayah!
Quote from: metapunkgoing from that though there is a certain amount of dogma associated with even the zen buddhism of Japan in that they don't steal or get intoxicated or tell lies.
What the fuck kind of religion is THAT?
Quote from: metapunkthere is also the concept of doing right.
You'll never have any fun that way, son.
Quote from: metapunki see more in common with taoism in the sense of understanding the flow, understanding eris as an embodiment of the principles of the universal life force that we all are/are a part of, even if it is all a fictional label...
Fuck! And me without my sitar!
Quote from: metapunki see discordianism as understanding that too a large degree objective reality is not something that exists outside of ourselves but something that is filtered through our minds. what we think is real is what we see as real, where we can alter the way we see things in order to alter their reality in terms of how they affect us, kind of the way the filter of capitalism creates these fictions of property and currency and then situates them into terms where people think of a space as REAL estate, and empower the government and the idea of the rulers in the state. Where they go into a store and pledge allegiance to the economy in terms of dollars that just tranfers more life into a system where the rich get the most out of it.
The communist board is down the hall, son.
Quote from: metapunkMany people don't realize the subjectivity of currency, they think of money as real...
Not me. I just think the STUFF that money brings me is real.
Quote from: metapunkThat is one of the things I've always enjoyed about the discordian society vs. the subgenii and something I was talking about earlier. They've always embraced a kind of it's a suckers game so lets suck the money out of them, which has given the subgenii more space and venues in real life, such as renting the pagan campgrounds for X day. They hold devivals and make cash and sell shit. Where as the discordians have no prophets.
WTF? Discordians have LOADS of prophets. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one of the retards. You want a prophet of chaos? Turn on the next State of the Union Address.
Quote from: metapunkOf course now I don't believe that these so called individuals who think that they get it have really gotten anything other than a kind of elitist attitude and laid back lets just laugh at the people who come in here and think they got anything out of the BOOK whose domain we are talking on,
Huh? I'm just here for the laffs.
Quote from: metapunkwhile we go on and post a million inane comments as if they were insightful or enlightened other than just the social gibberish of a particular internet clique.
Who's "we"?
Quote from: metapunkBut perhaps I'm wrong, a lot of people do come in here and seem to spout off a lot of trash talking and then leave, but what do you expect out of a religion that is based upon the goddess of chaos, confusion and disorder whose sole history to the Greek world is that of someone who was disinvited to a party and tossed in a apple that wreaked social havok and caused major drama as well as the first war.
Oh, crap. Now you done it. The Fluffy Happy Hippie Discordians are gonna knock your teef out.
Quote from: metapunkBut if you look at it more closely, what happened is Man trys to suppress Chaos, and because of this he finds himself vainly stroking his ego deciding between power, fame or a woman, because he has suppressed the womans role and stolen her power through the imposition of patriarchy.
Yeah, we big bad males do that, Doctor Phil. :lol:
Quote from: metapunkLiterally he goes over and steals Helen (i believe) and then her dad comes over and trys to start a war cuz he stole his daughter aka property. I do think that there is some more to the story than just that.
Helen wasn't exactly shrieking for rescue, fucktard. Maybe you should read the Iliad, before you look even dumber than you do now.
Quote from: metapunkOr tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.
Happy children dancing...:lol: Face it, schmuck...without the Greys and the Pinks and all their works, things wouldn't be all fluffy white clouds and pink monkeysand kiddies frolicking in the wildflowers. It would be more like "Malnourished kids grubbing for dungbeetles in the punishing sunlight."
WAKE UP, DUMBASS...those "sunlit fields" are really clanking, rumbling conveyor belts, dragging you into the blades.
Quote from: metapunkI'm not advocating anything these are just some thoughts.
Alledged thoughts.
Aw, he ran away. :lol:
I think maybe you pwned him too hard.
I don't think the difference between Discordians(tm) and Discordian folks really matters. There's merely noob and not-noob.
Why (tm)? Why not
oh WTF? I can't use ASCII code anymore.
Never mind. :cry:
Although I dont agree with all Discordians here being the same (there is much difference between, say, myself, LMNO and Verthaine) I can see an interesting point. The further you go into the religion the less you think of it as such. You may start off saying all the phrases and using the buzzwords in the books, just as a martial arts student starts by copying individual moves of a particular style. But the more its done, the further you find out your own style of doing things and follow the original methods less, unless they happen work for you.
Of course, thats just my view, and it may not be true, but its the bes analogy I could come up with to explain it.
Quote from: Discordian(tm)Fear my zen-fu!!!!!
Quote from: Rabid Badger of GodQuote from: Discordian(tm)Fear my zen-fu!!!!!
:shock:
(http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/froggy.gif)
Heh, I thought that was a real name for a second.
Kinda suprised it isn't...
Quick! Get it before someone else does.
Meh...
Damn that apathy.
Quote from: Meh...
You could train thousands of Discordians in totally useless self defence techniques! Think of the benefit to society you'd be performing.
The thought of luring thousands into a false sense of security combined with ripping them off AND watching them "die spectacularly" in combat is pretty enticing...
I'm too busy postwhoring this account to start another one.
Quote from: The thought of luring thousands into a false sense of security combined with ripping them off AND watching them "die spectacularly" in combat is pretty enticing...
Exactly. Your patriotism, capitalism and bloodlust for hippies does you credit, citizen.
Looks like someone beat me to it though.
That's what I get for making a lego fishtank.
Quote from: metapunk
Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.
Please tell me you didn't just say that "domestication" and "civilization" are bad things, as you type out your ideology on a device that could not possibly exist without civilization, in a domecile that would not exist without domestication.
You remind me of all the socialists in college who lived off their trust fund left to them by their rich (capitalistic) grandfather.
Quote from: LMNOQuote from: metapunk
Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.
Please tell me you didn't just say that "domestication" and "civilization" are bad things, as you type out your ideology on a device that could not possibly exist without civilization, in a domecile that would not exist without domestication.
You remind me of all the socialists in college who lived off their trust fund left to them by their rich (capitalistic) grandfather.
Fuck this shit.I have no desire to be some shiny happy treehuggin hippy livin off the land.Fuck the "back to nature" mentality.In truth,nature is a bitch.
Don't get me wrong,I have nothing against nature,I just don;t want to go back being dirty stinking primitive savage.I hate the fact that the xtians took my ancestors out of the wilds of africa to be slave,but I have no desire to go back to my ancestors life style.
I like all the modern convienences.I love the internet.I want my Cartoon network.I want my playstation 2 back.
Nothing pisses me off more then some sanctemoniuos hippy/anarchist who looks down own me because I don't want to go back to eating veggies straight out the ground and tilling the fields.You know what I say to people like that:FUCK YOU FARMER RETARD.HOPE YOU GET FUCKED UP THE ASS BY A BEAR.
I also can't stand trustfund anarchists who want to "smash the system" while masterbating to Kropotkin.The problem with so many anarchists today is that they are so hardcore,they seem to be spending a lot of energy rebelling against the rules of GOOD HYGIENE.IF anarchists hate capitisim so much,send me all your money,so that you won't be tainted.
I have yet to meet an anarchist who can actually explain what the hell we do after we"smash the system".I've met so many aggro hippies and wanna be armchair anarchists,I know for a fact those are the first people to shit their pants if true anarchy happens(most of the gutterpunk anarchists in N'awlins hid in their squats during the aftermath of Katrina,leaving everyone else to go out and try to find food and water).
Anarchy is your sixth-grade gym class for all eternity!
Quote from: DJRubberduckyAnarchy is your sixth-grade gym class for all eternity!
Where's your Discordia now???
Quote from: CainQuote from: DJRubberduckyAnarchy is your sixth-grade gym class for all eternity!
Where's your Discordia now???
She's sticking gum in your hair.
Quote from: VerthaineQuote from: LMNOQuote from: metapunk
Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.
Please tell me you didn't just say that "domestication" and "civilization" are bad things, as you type out your ideology on a device that could not possibly exist without civilization, in a domecile that would not exist without domestication.
You remind me of all the socialists in college who lived off their trust fund left to them by their rich (capitalistic) grandfather.
Fuck this shit.I have no desire to be some shiny happy treehuggin hippy livin off the land.Fuck the "back to nature" mentality.In truth,nature is a bitch.
Don't get me wrong,I have nothing against nature,I just don;t want to go back being dirty stinking primitive savage.I hate the fact that the xtians took my ancestors out of the wilds of africa to be slave,but I have no desire to go back to my ancestors life style.
I like all the modern convienences.I love the internet.I want my Cartoon network.I want my playstation 2 back.
Nothing pisses me off more then some sanctemoniuos hippy/anarchist who looks down own me because I don't want to go back to eating veggies straight out the ground and tilling the fields.You know what I say to people like that:FUCK YOU FARMER RETARD.HOPE YOU GET FUCKED UP THE ASS BY A BEAR.
I also can't stand trustfund anarchists who want to "smash the system" while masterbating to Kropotkin.The problem with so many anarchists today is that they are so hardcore,they seem to be spending a lot of energy rebelling against the rules of GOOD HYGIENE.IF anarchists hate capitisim so much,send me all your money,so that you won't be tainted.
I have yet to meet an anarchist who can actually explain what the hell we do after we"smash the system".I've met so many aggro hippies and wanna be armchair anarchists,I know for a fact those are the first people to shit their pants if true anarchy happens(most of the gutterpunk anarchists in N'awlins hid in their squats during the aftermath of Katrina,leaving everyone else to go out and try to find food and water).
Did I FUCKING say we should go back to NATURE and become primitive FARMERS ? A fucking contradiction in itself. NO.
I know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.
But really did I look down at you. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY SHIT other than all of the cynical fucking subgenii hostility is pretty boring. Nope.
Once again your putting words into my mouth based upon things you thought you heard elsewhere and are colloborating into ideas I have put forth.
I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.
Sure everybody hates trustfund anarchists. They're annoyingly priviledged and piss off everyone around them by being care-free cuz they can always fall back on mommy and daddies money. That's just an easy target...
Ohh well I guess I'm just the "anarchist poster child" for you guys to fling shit on all day. Hope your having fun...
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Did I FUCKING say we should go back to NATURE and become primitive FARMERS ? A fucking contradiction in itself. NO.
I know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.
But really did I look down at you. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY SHIT other than all of the cynical fucking subgenii hostility is pretty boring. Nope.
Once again your putting words into my mouth based upon things you thought you heard elsewhere and are colloborating into ideas I have put forth.
I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.
Sure everybody hates trustfund anarchists. They're annoyingly priviledged and piss off everyone around them by being care-free cuz they can always fall back on mommy and daddies money. That's just an easy target...
Ohh well I guess I'm just the "anarchist poster child" for you guys to fling shit on all day. Hope your having fun...
::turns up the volume on her bunny interpreting machine::
whoa, boy. chill out.
first, don't go labeling all those people who flamed you as discordians
the only discordian in the bunch is verthaine
and i have my eye on him
and of course they misconstrued what you said
they have to feel superior
a little of what was said was honest criticism
but most was just follow the leader piling on
you know
sixth grade gym class
nothing wrong with being an anarchist
most people around here don't know what anarchism is
they may have read a critique and think they know it all
but their concept of anarchy is what the machine has told them it is
hence the "sixth grade gym class" concept
so basically you are getting upset at people because they are ignorant
what's the sense in that?
they are no better than anyone else
despite the subgenii hyper ego
so calm down
take a big breath
and realize that everything that was just said
is just pixels and ones and zeroes.
people spout crap on the internet
because they know you will never show up on their doorstep
you make some good points
[except for hunting rabbits (that's a no-no)
and it wasn't helen's dad but her husband]
yes, discordianism has roots in both zen and tao
yes, it grabbles with the ancient question:
how do we know what is real and what is merely perception?
i like the concept of money as subject and not objective
you should develop that more
yes, most of us are elitist
but there are some non-elitists here
they just don't exert themselves so much
mostly because non-elitists are not pushy
and yes, man went wrong when he invented work
that is, work as you work for someone else
that is when man began to divide people into classes
before that we were pretty much the same
maybe
kind of hard to know what happened in prehistory, you know
and i caught that you were not advocating a "return to nature"
but others don't seem to realize that it is often hard to fix problems
when you don't know where you went wrong
(of course, some don't care where we went wrong,
they just want to tear it all down, hence the destruction of anything constructive)
i like what you had to say
and i hope that you post more of it here
just ignore the hate
it is sad that we do not spend time here actually talking about discordianism
instead of looking for areas of common agreement
and trying to work towards developing a coherent philsophy,
it has become fashionable to trash anyone who tries to carry on a decent conversation
we instead spend our time asserting our superiority over the cabbages of the world,
and enforcing a hyperorthodoxy by driving off through ridicule anyone who dares criticize us.
i wonder what ever happened to the concept: think for yourself.
it seems to be lacking around here lately.
::turns down the volume::
but i am just a stupid bunny
what the hell do i know, right?
Actually, I totally disagree with anarchism on very certain grounds. Give me a few days to write, and you shall have it explained. I need a few days because I've just been given 17,000 books to read, and I still have to waste my time going to lectures on top of that.
And I thought Verthaine was an Erisian and the rest of us were Discordians? I mean, I've got "Discordian" on my membership card and everything....
QuoteI was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.
All I can say is, there is no going back to the Garden of Eden, or more appropriately, the Age of Gold. The Age of Gold sounds mighty boring to me. Sure, there's no work, but there's also no real reason to be alive. No war, but no justice either. No evil, therefore no good. Life is worth living because it always ends.
Sure, greyface mentality is bad, but nothing is as simple as it appears on paper. We all depend on each other.
I have only met one completely worthless human being. Everyone has
some good points. There might not be that many, but they're there. It just depends on how much time and energy you want to spend appreciating them (or ignoring their less-than-stellar facets). There's no real justice in calling people "pinks" and "greys". It's just stupid shorthand for a set of ideals. Part of the greyface mentality is classifying people, and we are just as guilty of it as anyone else.
We are human beings. This means, among other things, that we only care about the people we can see, who touch our lives in some way. Those enslaved third world countries mean very little to the average human because they're not really
real. Especially in this day and age when, despite the vastness of the media, nothing gets reported about them. When was the last time you heard something about Bangledesh? Or Chile? Or the Phillipines? Or Laos? How do you know they really exist? If I'm not sure that they exist, why should I care about them? (This is not a justification for apathy, merely a hypothesis.)
I forgot where I was going with this, so I'm just going to say that, however intelligent you are, you're not very well spoken and you don't appear to have very much experience under your belt. Hence the near-universal negative reaction to your idea/bludgeons.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God
I have only met one completely worthless human being.
You too can meet him at www.principiadiscordia.org.
I said met. Internet people don't count.
Though if they did the count would shoot really high.
things to do when everything is gone:
sleep
eat vegetables
look at shit
not speak
create things
after we finish pushing the boulder up the hill
we watch it roll back down
but
we dont have to be dumb enuf to do it again
i am pretty sure that everybody who looks at / posts on this website is looking for some answers
or
at the very least
looking to make sure they have all their shit in check
before they do what they feel they have to do
i am also pretty sure that most people here have at least had a moment where they realize that all of their
reasoning
quick wit
deductive capabilities
command of the english language
is not going to save them from the tremendous hurt that is going to be lay upon them
(probably soon)
n00bs have to take their lumps the same way a square peg erodes until it can fit in the round hole
dear god
i love holes
I'm really starting to get into LHX's mode of communication.
At first I thought he was just trying to be artsy.
But now, i feel it has a certain rhythm & flow.
Metapunk, the more you get all hollery the more we are going to keep poking you. It's funny watching you get your panties in a bunch. Don't worry though. We have ADD and will find other things to play with eventually.
Anarchy? Why the fuck are you treating it as if it is some holy writ sacred cow to bow to.....Anarchy is nothing without anarchists. It's not some bullshit collection of rehashed theories based off of crackpot writers from a hundred years ago, despite what some rich or middle class white Anarchists like to think.
It's still a utopian pipe dream, though.
Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?
Quote from: LMNOIt's still a utopian pipe dream, though.
Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?
Nothing ever is stable, though politicians like to convince people of that lie. Anarchy is simply about not needing authorities to order people about. Even more simply about DIY and not waiting around for others to take care of you. The problem is when people get all hissy and territorial and then think of their various ideas called "Anarchy" or "Anarchism" as the holy grail. You should read some of the reams of bullcrap anarchist writers put out online every month. It is horrid. That is the reason it won't succeed. The people are fucking it up. They missed out on the approach.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: LMNOIt's still a utopian pipe dream, though.
Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?
Nothing ever is stable, though politicians like to convince people of that lie. Anarchy is simply about not needing authorities to order people about. Even more simply about DIY and not waiting around for others to take care of you. The problem is when people get all hissy and territorial and then think of their various ideas called "Anarchy" or "Anarchism" as the holy grail. You should read some of the reams of bullcrap anarchist writers put out online every month. It is horrid. That is the reason it won't succeed. The people are fucking it up. They missed out on the approach.
hugh gets it
oh, and lmno
anarchy = utopian pipe dream
discordianism = fake religion
doesn't mean they are worthless
Quote from: LMNOIt's still a utopian pipe dream, though.
Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?
Through the BALANCE OF POWER AND MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION!
Quote from: CainQuote from: LMNOIt's still a utopian pipe dream, though.
Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?
Through the BALANCE OF POWER AND MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION!
Nah! Human beings would pretty much do a piss poor job of anything they try to do, except slaughtering one another.
But, but its the BALANCE OF POWER man!
Quote from: CainBut, but its the BALANCE OF POWER man!
It's still a pipedream. A little more on the existentialist side of pipesmoke but still a dream.
anarchy
somebody should tell them to focus on ending the revolution instead of starting one
Quote from: LHXanarchy
somebody should tell them to focus on ending the revolution instead of starting one
Hot damn, you're waaay smarter than you appear at first.
Quote from: LHXanarchy
somebody should tell them to focus on ending the revolution instead of starting one
That's assuming they could actually have started it. Not washing one's body for weeks at a time is not going to come close to being a "revolutionary" act.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: LHXanarchy
somebody should tell them to focus on ending the revolution instead of starting one
That's assuming they could actually have started it. Not washing one's body for weeks at a time is not going to come close to being a "revolutionary" act.
whoa -
didnt say they started it
Quote from: LHXQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: LHXanarchy
somebody should tell them to focus on ending the revolution instead of starting one
That's assuming they could actually have started it. Not washing one's body for weeks at a time is not going to come close to being a "revolutionary" act.
whoa -
didnt say they started it
I think they should focus on hygiene. Forget about the revolution. It's just some word used in a bunch of sixties pop songs.
Hey, now. Fascism was a revolution.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of GodHey, now. Fascism was a revolution.
[Communist rhetoric]aided by counterrevolutionary capitalist agents![/Communist rhetoric]
Quote from: Rabid Badger of GodHey, now. Fascism was a revolution.
fascism was a 3-year-old trying to catch a snake in the mud
fascism will be a punch-line for jokes somewhere down the road
'you know -- FASCISM!'
'FASCISM?! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA'
Quote from: LHXQuote from: Rabid Badger of GodHey, now. Fascism was a revolution.
fascism was a 3-year-old trying to catch a snake in the mud
fascism will be a punch-line for jokes somewhere down the road
'you know -- FASCISM!'
'FASCISM?! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA'
Get your yuks in now while you can. The fascists now run the world.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSC
The fascists are still trying to run the world.
fixed
and discordians walk the world
I disagree they are fascists. As far as I am concerned they are money hungry, chickenshit militaristic authoritarians. Fascism is different. And far worse.
regardless what they are
they are very very confused men
and they are trying to accomplish something which is impossible
thats the funny part
the shitty part is that everybody gonna feel the hurt in the process
Yeah, we had a big talk on the neo-conservative ideology today in international relations, as we were doing theory. They were what every Realist thinker feared, the "moralizing crusader" types who think they have the answers to everything for everyone. "Let justice be done though the heavens fall" types. But thats another days rant.
Quote from: CainYeah, we had a big talk on the neo-conservative ideology today in international relations, as we were doing theory. They were what every Realist thinker feared, the "moralizing crusader" types who think they have the answers to everything for everyone. "Let justice be done though the heavens fall" types. But thats another days rant.
yeah
wait until they crusade their way into a situation that their mouths cant talk out of
see how eager they are for the heavens to penetrate their asses
there are fates worse than getting yourself blown to bits
Optimist. Like they've ever been in the line of fire :roll: . No, they'll do what they've always done, pass the buck and let the grunts take the flak. Let the kids in pressed khaki die for their theories and manipultive egos. They'll be safe in a bunker surrounded by armed men while, as usual, other do their dirty work.
Wow. Damn this was a lot of responses. Even taking into account the normal threadjack and the metapunking, there was still a lot of response to this. That makes it a success in my book.
I think LHX, Rabid Badger, Verthaine, and fluffy made particularly good points - far too many for me to respond to much individually and still have time to sleep tonight. ;) metapunk, as usual, said some interesting stuff but then ruined it in presentation and development - wrecked motorcycle again. (You know, "punk" is also the name of a substance used to start fires. Coincidence? I think not.)
I will respond to Verthaine's first post, though. I actually agree. I was describing what I see here vs. real life. Internet Discordianism, if you will. I have no other observations to draw on other than books and my own mind. My own approach to Eris is fairly serious, but I have to walk a fine line since paying too much attention to Her seems to have consequences. Suffice it to say I do consider myself a KSC, I just like to keep quiet about it most of the time.
Quote from: VerthaineQuote from: LMNOQuote from: metapunk
Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.
Please tell me you didn't just say that "domestication" and "civilization" are bad things, as you type out your ideology on a device that could not possibly exist without civilization, in a domecile that would not exist without domestication.
You remind me of all the socialists in college who lived off their trust fund left to them by their rich (capitalistic) grandfather.
Fuck this shit.I have no desire to be some shiny happy treehuggin hippy livin off the land.Fuck the "back to nature" mentality.In truth,nature is a bitch.
Don't get me wrong,I have nothing against nature,I just don;t want to go back being dirty stinking primitive savage.I hate the fact that the xtians took my ancestors out of the wilds of africa to be slave,but I have no desire to go back to my ancestors life style.
I like all the modern convienences.I love the internet.I want my Cartoon network.I want my playstation 2 back.
Nothing pisses me off more then some sanctemoniuos hippy/anarchist who looks down own me because I don't want to go back to eating veggies straight out the ground and tilling the fields.You know what I say to people like that:FUCK YOU FARMER RETARD.HOPE YOU GET FUCKED UP THE ASS BY A BEAR.
I also can't stand trustfund anarchists who want to "smash the system" while masterbating to Kropotkin.The problem with so many anarchists today is that they are so hardcore,they seem to be spending a lot of energy rebelling against the rules of GOOD HYGIENE.IF anarchists hate capitisim so much,send me all your money,so that you won't be tainted.
I have yet to meet an anarchist who can actually explain what the hell we do after we"smash the system".I've met so many aggro hippies and wanna be armchair anarchists,I know for a fact those are the first people to shit their pants if true anarchy happens(most of the gutterpunk anarchists in N'awlins hid in their squats during the aftermath of Katrina,leaving everyone else to go out and try to find food and water).
This is the correct pissed off Ancient Wiseguy.
Quote from: LHXQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSC
The fascists have been running the world since 1900.
fixed
and discordians walk the world, UNTIL THEY ALL GET ROUNDED UP AND USED FOR SLAVE LABOR.
Fixed that for you, you hopeless fucking optimist.
salve labor? Put to work in the lotion mines?
Quote from: ataraxiasalve labor? Put to work in the lotion mines?
You're a fucking scream.
sarcasm knucklehead
run the world?
thats some 1970's tv mentality we got going on here
its dr. no
right?
Quote from: LHXsarcasm knucklehead
run the world?
thats some 1970's tv mentality we got going on here
its dr. no
right?
You only WISH it was something that cool.
Nope, sorry Sparky...they did it all the BORING way, by simply acquiring everything in sight, and dismantling the middle class.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: LHXsarcasm knucklehead
run the world?
thats some 1970's tv mentality we got going on here
its dr. no
right?
You only WISH it was something that cool.
Nope, sorry Sparky...they did it all the BORING way, by simply acquiring everything in sight, and dismantling the middle class.
words from the ol' vet
who knows he gets a kick out of shit talking
you post like ali doing a rope-a-dope
LHX
he dont trust you
Quote from: LHX
you post like ali doing a rope-a-dope
LHX
he dont trust you
1. That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me, on this board. *sniff*
2. That's good, because - as everyone knows, The Good Reverend
cannot be trusted. Just ask Mgt.
Quote from: metapunkI know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.
I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.
First off,I too was stating my opinions.Since you seem to lump all us discordians on this board into one lump catagory,I took it upon myself to let you know who I AM.I don't have to put words into anyones mouth.I can use the words they put forth just as nicely.
Now I am going to ask you a question metapunk.
Since you seem to think all the members of this board(which I am a member of)do nothing all day but sit in front of a computer all day talking shit to one another,let me ask toy this.
WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU DURING kATRINA.
Wanna know where I was.I was sitting in my apt. in New Orleans hoping my building didn't crash down around me.Unlike most of the N.O. whaaanarchist who vamoosed as soon as they could get mommy and daddy ot take them home.I stayed behind becuase my home was the safest place I could be at the time.When Katrina ended I walked out to see my city in ruins.I looted wate and food,not just for myself,but for others less fortunate then I. I helped out old people,I got formula and diapers for babies(and some of those where the babies of punk rockers and anarchists to scared or lazy to do it on their own)
I am very familiar with many of the anarchists in this city,and you know what they were doing during all this.Looting money,booze,Playstations and X-boxes,along with the cops.Scuse me meta punk,but how many times did you have to pass the same dead body lying in the middle of the street on your way to get food and water.No lie.On Magazine and Jackson there was a dead body lying there for 4 days before some of the neighbors there buried it in an abandondoned lot to prevent the outbreak of disease,and to give the poor soul some dignity.I should know,I helped bury him.
If you really want to know what its like to live in anarchy,in an area where there is no law and order,ask the people who were raped and killed in the Superdome and Convention center.
I never had to carry a weapon in all the time I lived in N'awlins,until Katrina.Ever worried about someone killing you over food and water metapunk.Trust me,it isn't a nice feeling.Ever had cops come up to you and tell you you not only have to leave your home,but the city you live in.Hows that for greyface mentality.I survived because I understand the Way of Eris.I just don't talk about chaos,confusion and strife,I survive it.
You know what Mp,fuck a bunch a third world people.I'm a nigger in America..N'awlins is a third world city right smack in the middle of America.Wheres your symphathy for me.What are you doing to help me get my city back.Can you give me my job back.Can you bring back all my friends and co-workers who are scattered across the country? .Do you have a home metapunk.I can't get back to mine yet because I need an id,and guess what,all my i.d. is at N'awlins.
You come on this baord waving your moral superiority around like your Long Dong Silver.What gives you the right to come on this forum and tell anyone here how to be a discordian.What have you done to merit you someone like St.Hugh,Ssbella,TGGR,and all the others on this board how to be a discordian.
Lets face it,the real reason you call us hatersisd because we didn't automatically fall on our knees and kiss your ass the moment you arrived on this board .
This forum id the true face of anarchism.You either run with the wolves,or you get eaten by the wolves.(except for Fluffy,because she can probably totally kick the crap out of a wolf).
I'm rooting for ya Verithaine. Justice WILL be served.
BMW
Quote from: metapunkI know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.
I think I speak for most of us when I say:
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Verthain just went from a 9/10 to a 12/10 in my book (not at anyone reads that horrible book). I see what Roger was talking about now.
You know, I was trying to do fluffy's suggestion of calm discussion, but I like Verthaine's method better.
Its hard not to.
I don't think subtlety and self control are strong points for very many people here.
THIS IS TEH CORRECT MOTO-fuck it.
I HEREBY SINK ALL DISCORDIANS!
Just saying.
Agreed. Verthaine can threadjack my stuff any time he wants. Because he's got waaaaaay more to say that's worth reading than just about anybody here.
Quote from:  Verthain just went from a 9/10 to a 12/10 in my book (not at anyone reads that horrible book). I see what Roger was talking about now.
Troof. I'm beginning to think he's a robot, though.
Nah, aliens can't be robots. That would be like ninja pirates.
This could be our next big thing: aliens vs. robots!
*joke about how bad Alien Vs. Predator was*
Quote from: ataraxiaNah, aliens can't be robots. That would be like ninja pirates.
Why?
we must have alien robots(or robot aliens)! and also undead caribou orcs!@
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: ataraxiaNah, aliens can't be robots. That would be like ninja pirates.
Why?
Because it's not as much fun that way. Wouldn't you rather see Robbie pummeling ET than having a love-fest? :D
i want to see jesus alien cyvborgs vs demonic pitchfork wielding average americans in th ebattle of armegeddon part 2, jesus strikes back
Resistance is futile
You will be crucified
Quote from: Verthaine on September 30, 2005, 05:06:04 AM
Quote from: metapunkI know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.
I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.
First off,I too was stating my opinions.Since you seem to lump all us discordians on this board into one lump catagory,I took it upon myself to let you know who I AM.I don't have to put words into anyones mouth.I can use the words they put forth just as nicely.
Now I am going to ask you a question metapunk.
Since you seem to think all the members of this board(which I am a member of)do nothing all day but sit in front of a computer all day talking shit to one another,let me ask toy this.
WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU DURING kATRINA.
Wanna know where I was.I was sitting in my apt. in New Orleans hoping my building didn't crash down around me.Unlike most of the N.O. whaaanarchist who vamoosed as soon as they could get mommy and daddy ot take them home.I stayed behind becuase my home was the safest place I could be at the time.When Katrina ended I walked out to see my city in ruins.I looted wate and food,not just for myself,but for others less fortunate then I. I helped out old people,I got formula and diapers for babies(and some of those where the babies of punk rockers and anarchists to scared or lazy to do it on their own)
I am very familiar with many of the anarchists in this city,and you know what they were doing during all this.Looting money,booze,Playstations and X-boxes,along with the cops.Scuse me meta punk,but how many times did you have to pass the same dead body lying in the middle of the street on your way to get food and water.No lie.On Magazine and Jackson there was a dead body lying there for 4 days before some of the neighbors there buried it in an abandondoned lot to prevent the outbreak of disease,and to give the poor soul some dignity.I should know,I helped bury him.
If you really want to know what its like to live in anarchy,in an area where there is no law and order,ask the people who were raped and killed in the Superdome and Convention center.
I never had to carry a weapon in all the time I lived in N'awlins,until Katrina.Ever worried about someone killing you over food and water metapunk.Trust me,it isn't a nice feeling.Ever had cops come up to you and tell you you not only have to leave your home,but the city you live in.Hows that for greyface mentality.I survived because I understand the Way of Eris.I just don't talk about chaos,confusion and strife,I survive it.
You know what Mp,fuck a bunch a third world people.I'm a nigger in America..N'awlins is a third world city right smack in the middle of America.Wheres your symphathy for me.What are you doing to help me get my city back.Can you give me my job back.Can you bring back all my friends and co-workers who are scattered across the country? .Do you have a home metapunk.I can't get back to mine yet because I need an id,and guess what,all my i.d. is at N'awlins.
You come on this baord waving your moral superiority around like your Long Dong Silver.What gives you the right to come on this forum and tell anyone here how to be a discordian.What have you done to merit you someone like St.Hugh,Ssbella,TGGR,and all the others on this board how to be a discordian.
Lets face it,the real reason you call us hatersisd because we didn't automatically fall on our knees and kiss your ass the moment you arrived on this board .
This forum id the true face of anarchism.You either run with the wolves,or you get eaten by the wolves.(except for Fluffy,because she can probably totally kick the crap out of a wolf).
in an unrelated discordian space, some people are currently gushing over the Book of Eris. So today, I am reflecting on St Vincent Verthaine, perhaps the best of us
for some reason, I had it in my head that nobody had heard from him after Katrina. But clearly that's wrong -- and he's a survivor. I pray he's still out there somewhere.
I googled him a year or so ago and nothing recent came up, but he definitely made it through Katrina.
I think he helped create a family, and has put most of his energies there, IRL.
His wife died as indirect effect of Katrina (she missed her cancer treatments).
His daughter came home from Iraq with both legs gone below the knee. He spent a good deal of time and money making his house wheelchair-accessible. He had planned to get her walking on those steel spring things, though I don't know how that ever worked out.
He said when he left that he was going to miss us, but didn't ever expect to have time for online anything. Can't blame him.
Fucking yikes, that dude's been though a lot. :sad: