Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: Meunster on July 17, 2015, 03:20:09 am

Title: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Meunster on July 17, 2015, 03:20:09 am
It seems there isn't a guy in my town who hasn't been cheated on. I'd ask people from other towns or cities but I just asked my favorite botnet. With 50% of marriages ending in divorce and 50% of people in a relationship admitting to cheating,  It'd probably get the same thing. It just seems that people are not loyal.

I'm trying to think over what'd be the best system in the changing times. Mostly for selfish reasons but fuck, maybe the norms are changing.

So are the swingers right? It's unreasonable to mix love and lust? You should love one person and then when you get lust for another it should be separate from your love?

Are the poly people right? Granted there's a lot of different poly types. Is it the harem type where you have one person whos love and lust decides who the others have to love somewhat. Or the orgy type where everyone loves and lusts for everyone. Though, adding people to that could be a logistical nightmare.

Are there other types I don't know of?

Is the regular way the best and you just have to put up with shit?
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 03:23:02 am
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Cain on July 17, 2015, 03:48:42 am
Just an FYI, it's very hard to take any thread which uses "cucks" in the title seriously.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 03:53:41 am
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 17, 2015, 03:54:29 am
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.

Wicked Burn.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 03:57:53 am
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient

Ewwwwwwwww.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 04:04:04 am
Seriously though, OP just feels really poorly thought out, especially in light of several non-monogamy threads already being around.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 05:00:07 am
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient

Ewwwwwwwww.

I think you read my post backwards. I said they do have to be of age.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 17, 2015, 12:56:07 pm
That's still pretty ew.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 01:37:38 pm
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient

Ewwwwwwwww.

I think you read my post backwards. I said they do have to be of age.

There's a difference between "not illegal" and "not gross" that you seem to be missing here. Age of consent laws are designed to prevent people who are too immature to consent to sexual activity from being taken advantage of by more mature people. The laws by necessity use age as an approximation of maturity, because there's no way to legally define the latter. Your statement can easily be read as "I would gladly fuck someone who isn't capable of comprehending the ramifications of sexual activity as long as I won't go to jail for it." Which is ewwwww.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 02:26:47 pm
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient

Ewwwwwwwww.

I think you read my post backwards. I said they do have to be of age.

There's a difference between "not illegal" and "not gross" that you seem to be missing here. Age of consent laws are designed to prevent people who are too immature to consent to sexual activity from being taken advantage of by more mature people. The laws by necessity use age as an approximation of maturity, because there's no way to legally define the latter. Your statement can easily be read as "I would gladly fuck someone who isn't capable of comprehending the ramifications of sexual activity as long as I won't go to jail for it." Which is ewwwww.
What are the ramifications, assuming you remember to use a condom? Because it seems like a simple condpm would take care of most of them (assuming it doesn't break; that scenario has never been likely but people seem to love to bring it up because of the ocasional times that it does happen. Maybe every time I drive a car I should be overly apprehensive about the possibility that the brakes might fail; that's something that occasionally happens too)


EDIT:
It was always my understanding that age of consent laws were based on a combination the assumption that anyone prepubescent would be so unlikely to want sex that it could safely be assumed to be rape, and attempts by purtianical interests to oppress teenage lovers because they see all sexuality as wrong and teenagers are a non-voting demographic that can be safely oppressed in this regard.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 17, 2015, 02:35:10 pm
What are the ramifications, assuming you remember to use a condom?

Wait -- honestly?


:spag:
:facepalm:
:cpd:

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 02:43:39 pm
The main ones seem to be unplanned pregnancy and stds. What elss is there that's significant?
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 02:45:34 pm
I need a bleach shower RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 02:52:24 pm
I suppose there's also the possibility that people will call you a "slut" but that's an insult that seems to be gradually going out of fashion.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Edward Longpork on July 17, 2015, 03:42:14 pm
It seems there isn't a guy in my town who hasn't been cheated on. I'd ask people from other towns or cities but I just asked my favorite botnet. With 50% of marriages ending in divorce and 50% of people in a relationship admitting to cheating,  It'd probably get the same thing. It just seems that people are not loyal.


cheating isn't as common as you think (http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/03/22/how-common-is-cheating-infidelity-really/)



Quote
So are the swingers right? ...

Are the poly people right? ...

Is the regular way the best and you just have to put up with shit?

"Right" and "best" for whom?



You seem to be conflating poly/swinging/cuckolding/etc with cheating. These are very different things.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Edward Longpork on July 17, 2015, 03:45:01 pm
don't let your dick make you a terrible lover


Recommended Meditation: focus on the experience of giving pleasure
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Junkenstein on July 17, 2015, 04:03:10 pm
What the fuck is happening here.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 17, 2015, 04:05:01 pm
What the fuck is happening here.

It's best to avert your gaze.  Do not look the thread directly in the eyes.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 17, 2015, 05:21:49 pm
The 50% of marriages end in divorce statistic conveniently leaves out the fact that some people get divorced multiple times. Most first marriages do not end in divorce. Most fourth marriages do.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2015, 07:23:10 pm
The main ones seem to be unplanned pregnancy and stds. What elss is there that's significant?

WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD THE POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS OF HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EMOTIONALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO BE HAVING SEX I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PSYCHOLOGY WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHAT IS CONSENT?

Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2015, 07:24:32 pm
To the OP: The right way is the way that works for all the people involved in the relationship.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Demolition Squid on July 17, 2015, 07:35:33 pm
The main ones seem to be unplanned pregnancy and stds. What elss is there that's significant?

WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD THE POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS OF HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EMOTIONALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO BE HAVING SEX I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PSYCHOLOGY WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHAT IS CONSENT?

This genuinely made me laugh out loud. :potd:  :lulz:
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 17, 2015, 07:36:29 pm
I was eagerly anticipating Nigel's response to this.




Did not disappoint.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: hooplala on July 17, 2015, 07:44:36 pm
I was eagerly anticipating Nigel's response to this.




Did not disappoint.

Ditto.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2015, 07:56:47 pm
:thanks:
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 08:20:21 pm
The main ones seem to be unplanned pregnancy and stds. What elss is there that's significant?

WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD THE POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS OF HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EMOTIONALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO BE HAVING SEX I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PSYCHOLOGY WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHAT IS CONSENT?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 09:33:25 pm
The main ones seem to be unplanned pregnancy and stds. What elss is there that's significant?

WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD THE POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS OF HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EMOTIONALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO BE HAVING SEX I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PSYCHOLOGY WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHAT IS CONSENT?

Why do they need to be emotionally mature, we're talking about sex, not a relationship. Do you think they're going to go insane and start stalking their partner like in Fatal Attraction?
 
As for consent, Consent in its most literal definition just means the peraon is ok wih it and has said as much. There's also a legal definition that also mandates additional red tape, such as he age requirement I mentioned earlier (there's also a sobriety requirement in some places)

EDIT:
I understand however that this is probably not what you were thinking of. Though what you were thinking of I don't know. I believe that you don't know either, and want me to accept that it just is because that is what society has told us rather than pursuing it furher.

EDIT:
I believe that you have bought into the line thatnsex is somehow special or sacred or indeed anything more than a basic biological function performed even by lowly worms and rats (who I might add, don't seem to be any worse off in that regard despite their lack of civilization and greatly sub-human capacity for decision making)
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 17, 2015, 09:47:57 pm
(http://lifecommunitychurch.cc/files/Media%20Gallery/Images/dig-deeper-for-webpage.jpg)
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 17, 2015, 10:35:06 pm
(http://lifecommunitychurch.cc/files/Media%20Gallery/Images/dig-deeper-for-webpage.jpg)

This.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Cain on July 17, 2015, 11:11:44 pm
You know who I take my advice on sex from?

Not people who use /pol/ terminology or are goddamn furries.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 11:27:02 pm
You know who I take my advice on sex from?

Not people who use /pol/ terminology or are goddamn furries.

Every furry I've known understands meaningful consent better than this guy.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 11:32:32 pm
Then explain what I've missed, if you can

I know that "no" means "no", lack of a response means "no", and that a "yes" given under duress means "no". These are all sensible and morally necessary policies

However, there's no seasible reason on earth why a freely given "yes" should mean "no".
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2015, 11:34:56 pm
The main ones seem to be unplanned pregnancy and stds. What elss is there that's significant?

WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD THE POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS OF HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EMOTIONALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO BE HAVING SEX I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PSYCHOLOGY WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHAT IS CONSENT?

Why do they need to be emotionally mature, we're talking about sex, not a relationship. Do you think they're going to go insane and start stalking their partner like in Fatal Attraction?
 
As for consent, Consent in its most literal definition just means the peraon is ok wih it and has said as much. There's also a legal definition that also mandates additional red tape, such as he age requirement I mentioned earlier (there's also a sobriety requirement in some places)

EDIT:
I understand however that this is probably not what you were thinking of. Though what you were thinking of I don't know. I believe that you don't know either, and want me to accept that it just is because that is what society has told us rather than pursuing it furher.

EDIT:
I believe that you have bought into the line thatnsex is somehow special or sacred or indeed anything more than a basic biological function performed even by lowly worms and rats (who I might add, don't seem to be any worse off in that regard despite their lack of civilization and greatly sub-human capacity for decision making)

 :horrormirth: I can't even respond to  this because the point has gone so far over your head that you aren't even on the same continent. with it. I simply hope to god nobody ever, ever, EVER leaves you alone with children, drunk people, or anyone who has a disorder or disability that makes them vulnerable to predators.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2015, 11:36:16 pm
Actually, I've just about had it with this creepy fucktard. May he never mate, but die in a fire.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Freeky on July 17, 2015, 11:38:37 pm
Actually, I've just about had it with this creepy fucktard. May he never mate, but die in a fire.

Almost every single post of his recently is skeevy as fuck.  I can't bring myself to read more than a line or two, personally.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 17, 2015, 11:40:13 pm
You still haven't answered my question. Other than stds and unplanned pregnancies, what else is there about sex that isn't totally harmless?


ANSWER ME!
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 11:42:43 pm
Then explain what I've missed, if you can

I know that "no" means "no", lack of a response means "no", and that a "yes" given under duress means "no". These are all sensible and morally necessary policies

However, there's no seasible reason on earth why a freely given "yes" should mean "no".

You are awful. The fucking worst.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 17, 2015, 11:44:39 pm
I literally hit the quote button on that post planning to slog through an actual answer and then it popped up with all of his idiot edits.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Freeky on July 17, 2015, 11:48:54 pm
Then explain what I've missed, if you can

I know that "no" means "no", lack of a response means "no", and that a "yes" given under duress means "no". These are all sensible and morally necessary policies

However, there's no seasible reason on earth why a freely given "yes" should mean "no".

There are times when you should never ask the question.  Does that help you any?
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Junkenstein on July 17, 2015, 11:54:46 pm
Jesus fucking wept.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2015, 11:57:30 pm
You still haven't answered my question. Other than stds and unplanned pregnancies, what else is there about sex that isn't totally harmless?


ANSWER ME!

In most people, sex stimulates the release of hormones and neurotransmitters which cause a sense of attachment and bonding. Therefore, people who have the maturity and mental capacity to be responsible with who they have sex with, and with the context and circumstances surrounding that sex, have an ethical obligation to do so, to avoid doing emotional and psychological harm to their sex partners.

It's not magic. It's just the intersection of biology and human intellect.

People who don't have the maturity and mental capacity to be responsible with who they have sex with, and with the context and circumstances surrounding that sex, probably shouldn't really be having sex. Which is why those who DO, shouldn't have it with them.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 18, 2015, 12:00:11 am
In other words, NOBODY who is responsible and mature could ethically have sex with you, because you are clearly not responsible or mature enough for these simple concepts to be self-evident.

For the love of all that's good in this world.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 18, 2015, 12:01:04 am
Actually, I've just about had it with this creepy fucktard. May he never mate, but die in a fire.

Almost every single post of his recently is skeevy as fuck.  I can't bring myself to read more than a line or two, personally.

Yeah I think he's about to go on the "does not exist" list.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Junkenstein on July 18, 2015, 12:05:09 am
Give it a couple of days. He'll be like Rainman missing Wapner trying to understand those two posts.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 18, 2015, 01:38:33 am
You still haven't answered my question. Other than stds and unplanned pregnancies, what else is there about sex that isn't totally harmless?


ANSWER ME!

In most people, sex stimulates the release of hormones and neurotransmitters which cause a sense of attachment and bonding. Therefore, people who have the maturity and mental capacity to be responsible with who they have sex with, and with the context and circumstances surrounding that sex, have an ethical obligation to do so, to avoid doing emotional and psychological harm to their sex partners.

It's not magic. It's just the intersection of biology and human intellect.

People who don't have the maturity and mental capacity to be responsible with who they have sex with, and with the context and circumstances surrounding that sex, probably shouldn't really be having sex. Which is why those who DO, shouldn't have it with them.

I was aware of the imprinting thing, I was not aware that it was strong enough to cause the kind of issues you imply. But since it definitely is another thing that can cause problems as I asked, and since I admittedly don't have a good enough working knowledge of Kinsey and so forth to make any sort of valid argument as to what severity of problems it is most likely to cause, and since I feel I have sufficiently executed my duties as self-proclaimed promotor fidei I will concede the argument.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: The Johnny on July 18, 2015, 02:09:38 am
You still haven't answered my question. Other than stds and unplanned pregnancies, what else is there about sex that isn't totally harmless?


ANSWER ME!

Ive heard of clinical cases in which individuals were sexually abused at a very young age, develop so called "sexual addiction" and consequently want to have sex with anyone, or everyone... at age 11.

Whats your opinion on, say, NAMBLA, for example?

Curious.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 18, 2015, 04:04:31 am
...
You want to renew your subscription to jstor to confirm that having sex with someone lacking emotional maturity is a bad idea....

...wow
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 18, 2015, 04:17:19 am
Shit! I accidentally deleted my last post while trying to modify it!

But yes. Without a rigid definition of "emotional maturity" and scientific testing we're both just blowing a bunch of hot air. Come to think of it, we'd also need a rigorous definition of "bad". I think there's definitely some minimum cutoff for required emotional maturity below which things do indeed get bad, but I'd wager the cutoff is lower than where you think it is, instead being in the range of violent posessiveness and actually disordered personalities.


But until I can find anything solid for or against, I will concede the argument.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 18, 2015, 04:35:26 am
Shit! I accidentally deleted my last post while trying to modify it!

But yes. Without a rigid definition of "emotional maturity" and scientific testing we're both just blowing a bunch of hot air. Come to think of it, we'd also need a rigorous definition of "bad". I think there's definitely some minimum cutoff for required emotional maturity below which things do indeed get bad, but I'd wager the cutoff is lower than where you think it is, instead being in the range of violent posessiveness and actually disordered personalities.


But until I can find anything solid for or against, I will concede the argument.

Maturity is a spectrum. You're not going to get a clearly scientifically defined definition. It's also an ongoing thing, and large disparities in age or maturity aren't conducive to healthy romantic relationships.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 18, 2015, 04:35:55 am
Also, y'all are trying to entrap me with strawman arguments. If you'll look back to the beginning of the thread, you'll see that I was talking about emotionally immature like an 18 year old, NOT emotionally immature like a 12 year old or a 5 year old like you people are trying to make it out to be. There's a difference to those who can see it and remember it; if you aren't so old that you just subconsciously group anyone young enough to still have their original knees into the category of "small children"

EDIT:
Ninja'd

EDIT:
But it's a relevant ninja. It is a spectrum, and people are making me out to be pointing at a different range than I am.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 18, 2015, 04:40:30 am
Also, y'all are trying to entrap me with strawman arguments. If you'll look back to the beginning of the thread, you'll see that I was talking about emotionally immature like an 18 year old, NOT emotionally immature like a 12 year old or a 5 year old like you people are trying to make it out to be. There's a difference to those who can see it and remember it; if you aren't so old that you just subconsciously group anyone young enough to still have their original knees into the category of "small children"

EDIT:
Ninja'd

EDIT:
But it's a relevant ninja. It is a spectrum, and people are making me out to be pointing at a different range than I am.

No one is making the strawman that you think they are.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 18, 2015, 04:53:59 am
It certainly sounds like they are
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2015, 04:55:34 am
This thread is a pile of arse biscuits.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 18, 2015, 05:08:03 am
It certainly sounds like they are

Probably because you can't wrap your head around the idea that people who have attained their majority can still have a maturity disparity with another consenting person who has also attained majority. A forty year old can legally fuck a nineteen year old but it's generally considered skeezy.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 18, 2015, 05:09:53 am
And let's face it, in that sort of situation, it's probably as emotionally unhealthy for the forty year old as it is for the nineteen year old.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 18, 2015, 05:30:06 am
It certainly sounds like they are

Probably because you can't wrap your head around the idea that people who have attained their majority can still have a maturity disparity with another consenting person who has also attained majority. A forty year old can legally fuck a nineteen year old but it's generally considered skeezy.

That's also a strawman. If you'll look back to the beginning of this discussion, you'll see that I was responding to Q. G. Pennyworth saying that Meunster shouldn't be having sex with anyone
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2015, 05:35:00 am
It certainly sounds like they are

Probably because you can't wrap your head around the idea that people who have attained their majority can still have a maturity disparity with another consenting person who has also attained majority. A forty year old can legally fuck a nineteen year old but it's generally considered skeezy.

That's also a strawman. If you'll look back to the beginning of this discussion, you'll see that I was responding to Q. G. Pennyworth saying that Meunster shouldn't be having sex with anyone

Neither should you.  There's too much risk associated with your genes moving around.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 18, 2015, 05:51:31 am
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient

Ewwwwwwwww.

I think you read my post backwards. I said they do have to be of age.

There's a difference between "not illegal" and "not gross" that you seem to be missing here. Age of consent laws are designed to prevent people who are too immature to consent to sexual activity from being taken advantage of by more mature people. The laws by necessity use age as an approximation of maturity, because there's no way to legally define the latter. Your statement can easily be read as "I would gladly fuck someone who isn't capable of comprehending the ramifications of sexual activity as long as I won't go to jail for it." Which is ewwwww.
What are the ramifications, assuming you remember to use a condom? Because it seems like a simple condpm would take care of most of them (assuming it doesn't break; that scenario has never been likely but people seem to love to bring it up because of the ocasional times that it does happen. Maybe every time I drive a car I should be overly apprehensive about the possibility that the brakes might fail; that's something that occasionally happens too)


EDIT:
It was always my understanding that age of consent laws were based on a combination the assumption that anyone prepubescent would be so unlikely to want sex that it could safely be assumed to be rape, and attempts by purtianical interests to oppress teenage lovers because they see all sexuality as wrong and teenagers are a non-voting demographic that can be safely oppressed in this regard.

This is the thing you said. It is gross and so are you.

By what you said right there you believe the only reason age of consent laws should exist is because the bulk of underage children don't want to have sex. Not because they could be psychologically harmed by engaging in sexual acts with another person. Not because they can't say yes because they don't know what they're saying yes to. Not because children are impressionable by their nature and can be taught to say yes by predatory adults. Not because their brains are so under-developed that they can't make reasoned judgments about the risks of pregnancy and disease. Not even because sex between a minor and an adult can be physically dangerous. No, it's because "puritanical interests" and "safe assumptions." Fuck you, you ridiculous asshole. I hope all the bad things in the world happen to you and only you.

Meunster thinks there's a "right way" for people to arrange their lives and if he just thinks at it hard enough he can logic a solution, which is indicative of someone not having the slightest ability to recognize the differences between individuals and individual relationships, and based on his earlier post about how now that he's been dumped he's going to spiral into a self-destructive cycle of hedonism, I'm pretty comfortable with my statements.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2015, 06:18:34 am
Ew
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 18, 2015, 06:14:46 pm
Shit! I accidentally deleted my last post while trying to modify it!

But yes. Without a rigid definition of "emotional maturity" and scientific testing we're both just blowing a bunch of hot air. Come to think of it, we'd also need a rigorous definition of "bad". I think there's definitely some minimum cutoff for required emotional maturity below which things do indeed get bad, but I'd wager the cutoff is lower than where you think it is, instead being in the range of violent posessiveness and actually disordered personalities.


But until I can find anything solid for or against, I will concede the argument.

Some of us here actually have degrees in psychology and have studied sexuality and human development. If you actually have a modicum of curiosity about the topic, there are countless books and articles to be found at the library. If you want to sound like an ignorant creep on the internet, though, just keep doing what you're doing.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Meunster on July 18, 2015, 06:15:58 pm
To the OP: The right way is the way that works for all the people involved in the relationship.

That's the best advice in this thread

Besides the you know, don't fuck children side point
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 18, 2015, 06:17:31 pm
To the OP: The right way is the way that works for all the people involved in the relationship.

That's the best advice in this thread

Besides the you know, don't fuck children side point

Which, fortunately, I think most of the people here didn't need to be told, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on July 18, 2015, 06:52:08 pm
Ew

Thread summary.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 29, 2020, 08:04:21 pm
You don't sound mature enough to be fucking.
Why should he need to be mature? Of age should be sufficient

Ewwwwwwwww.

I think you read my post backwards. I said they do have to be of age.

There's a difference between "not illegal" and "not gross" that you seem to be missing here. Age of consent laws are designed to prevent people who are too immature to consent to sexual activity from being taken advantage of by more mature people. The laws by necessity use age as an approximation of maturity, because there's no way to legally define the latter. Your statement can easily be read as "I would gladly fuck someone who isn't capable of comprehending the ramifications of sexual activity as long as I won't go to jail for it." Which is ewwwww.
What are the ramifications, assuming you remember to use a condom? Because it seems like a simple condpm would take care of most of them (assuming it doesn't break; that scenario has never been likely but people seem to love to bring it up because of the ocasional times that it does happen. Maybe every time I drive a car I should be overly apprehensive about the possibility that the brakes might fail; that's something that occasionally happens too)


EDIT:
It was always my understanding that age of consent laws were based on a combination the assumption that anyone prepubescent would be so unlikely to want sex that it could safely be assumed to be rape, and attempts by purtianical interests to oppress teenage lovers because they see all sexuality as wrong and teenagers are a non-voting demographic that can be safely oppressed in this regard.

"THIS IS HOW WE DO IT."
- The Ramones
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Juana on January 29, 2020, 08:59:45 pm
Uh, age of consent laws are designed to protect kids from predatory adults. But some places won't do anything about that shit if the parents of the minor are okay with it. Like, I'm a mandated reporter and I filed a CPS report any a 14 year old dating a 32 year old last year. The social worker asked me if the girl's parents were cool with it (which I did not ask about bc uh???).
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 29, 2020, 09:08:26 pm
Uh, age of consent laws are designed to protect kids from predatory adults. But some places won't do anything about that shit if the parents of the minor are okay with it. Like, I'm a mandated reporter and I filed a CPS report any a 14 year old dating a 32 year old last year. The social worker asked me if the girl's parents were cool with it (which I did not ask about bc uh???).

How is that even a question?
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: The Johnny on January 29, 2020, 09:23:38 pm
Uh, age of consent laws are designed to protect kids from predatory adults. But some places won't do anything about that shit if the parents of the minor are okay with it. Like, I'm a mandated reporter and I filed a CPS report any a 14 year old dating a 32 year old last year. The social worker asked me if the girl's parents were cool with it (which I did not ask about bc uh???).

How is that even a question?

Arranged marriages in the US are or have been a thing? Cause the logic sounds similar.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on January 29, 2020, 09:28:32 pm
As far as I know, yes.  Of course, they're not called that, but when parents sign consent to marry forms between their 13 year old daughter and a 65 year old evangelical guy, yeah.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-childmarriage-reform/child-brides-call-on-us-states-to-end-legal-rape-idUSKCN1MZ024
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 29, 2020, 09:35:06 pm
As far as I know, yes.  Of course, they're not called that, but when parents sign consent to marry forms between their 13 year old daughter and a 65 year old evangelical guy, yeah.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-childmarriage-reform/child-brides-call-on-us-states-to-end-legal-rape-idUSKCN1MZ024

"Lawmakers are often reluctant to introduce reforms because they believe marriage is the best solution to teenage pregnancies and they do not want to stifle religious freedoms."

Burn it all down.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Juana on January 29, 2020, 09:50:15 pm
Uh, age of consent laws are designed to protect kids from predatory adults. But some places won't do anything about that shit if the parents of the minor are okay with it. Like, I'm a mandated reporter and I filed a CPS report any a 14 year old dating a 32 year old last year. The social worker asked me if the girl's parents were cool with it (which I did not ask about bc uh???).

How is that even a question?
Beats me. He ought to be taken behind a barn and shot.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: The Johnny on January 30, 2020, 02:49:25 am
As far as I know, yes.  Of course, they're not called that, but when parents sign consent to marry forms between their 13 year old daughter and a 65 year old evangelical guy, yeah.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-childmarriage-reform/child-brides-call-on-us-states-to-end-legal-rape-idUSKCN1MZ024

Well, as long as it's within the context and sanctity of marriage, its NOT one of the defining characteristics of a "shithole country"
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Pergamos on January 31, 2020, 02:34:23 am
I kinda wish this thread had been about cheating, or non monogamy, rather than pedophilia.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 31, 2020, 03:06:29 am
I kinda wish this thread had been about cheating, or non monogamy, rather than pedophilia.

It is morally wrong to not bigfoot a Muenster thread.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Cramulus on January 31, 2020, 01:24:00 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/o368QId.png)
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: The Mgt on February 07, 2020, 02:13:19 pm
Every couple-few months I ask myself "do I miss that place?"

Then I stick my head on here and read some shit like this and I'm embarrassed that I let this place be a part of my life.

I don't have a point. My hate is a blunderbuss.
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on February 07, 2020, 02:27:06 pm
Look out!  The Mgt is back!


:omg:
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 07, 2020, 02:56:18 pm
Every couple-few months I ask myself "do I miss that place?"

Then I stick my head on here and read some shit like this and I'm embarrassed that I let this place be a part of my life.

I don't have a point. My hate is a blunderbuss.

DEAR MR THE MGT:

PLEASE KICK EoC IN THE BUTT.

YOUR PAL,
LMNO
Title: Re: Swingers cucks and cheaters oh my.
Post by: LMNO on February 07, 2020, 03:10:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/WlzkPNoh.jpg)