Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on March 14, 2007, 10:59:21 am

Title: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on March 14, 2007, 10:59:21 am
Okay, it's not big, it may not even be clever, but it's another way to pick the scab so to speak. Maybe part of another pamphlet.


I am in the Black Iron Prison. Everybody tells me that I'll never beat it. They tell me that it was the dumbest thing to get involved with. People are like that, they're always so damn sure they're right and to a certain degree they are right. I tell them, my hide is mine and I pay the price, I entered the prison, just like they do every day without knowing it. You already know that it's not really a prison. No steel bars. But you can feel them on the periphery of your perception. They protect you, and for this prison business, you need protection. Yes, most poor slobs never come back and I guess that these bars weren't too helpful to them. I guess they made some stupid mistake at some point. I've been down here thirty-odd years, I know. You see, when you're in the prison, nothing happens at first. You're in pitch darkness, that's all. Then you hear a noise. It's like paper being crumpled. The sound of the wardens waking up. It's the worse part, because you know that they're going to sniff at you, to assess you, and that you won't be able to see them. After that, it's quite easy, I'd almost say routine. If you want to see the light again, like I do, you'd better know three basic rules before you try for a jail break.

1. Know that you are in a prison.
2. Know that you are not in a prison.
3. Know that your prison is your prison.

[ re-written from and inspired by Giles Tran's 'The Cage.' adapt and change to suit ]
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 11:46:42 am
I'm wondering if we're running with the metaphor a bit too much.  Too many trees, not enough forest, and all that.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Cain on March 14, 2007, 11:51:31 am
Yes.

IMO.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 11:59:57 am
Yeah.  I'm thinking it's time to table this metaphor, and start working on a nother facet of the PD.  We've pretty much covered the reality grid/map thing, so what's next?  The Hodge/Podge?  Starbuck's Pepples?  The Pentabarf?

Or do we (gasp!) try to think of something new?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 12:06:58 pm
Let's be dangerous and think of something new IMO.
What exactly. Well. I'm thinking right now.

Fractal theory perhaps?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 12:47:29 pm
Not new.



However, maybe you have a new angle on it, that reveals something useful.  Go for it.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Mangrove on March 14, 2007, 02:16:11 pm
if we cast our frazzled memories back in time - the BIP was the first salvo of what was going to be PD06.

but it would seem that BIP as a concept threw up so much discussion & writing tha PD06 became BIP almost exclusively.

if we go back to the original intention, it was to reinvestigate the PD and see what was salvageable, what was garbage and what could be extended.

of course, i'm happy to hear 'new stuff'. but i'm thinking that we never really finished up the original plan, which was to give the PD a contemporary overhaul.

the recent magazine discussion is interesting, but it might be a diversion. it's like adding another layer of ideas to already unfinished stuff.

but i've not had cereal yet and these comments are subject to change.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: AFK on March 14, 2007, 02:18:21 pm
I like this idea.  So, maybe the next step is to determine what in the PD is not grid-related.  Because, ultimately, we'd wind up right back in the BIP. 
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Mangrove on March 14, 2007, 02:20:31 pm
I like this idea.  So, maybe the next step is to determine what in the PD is not grid-related.  Because, ultimately, we'd wind up right back in the BIP. 

yeah.

i think LHX has been favoring 'law of 5s' as the new subject for investigation. (sorry X if i got that wrong).

given the recent '23' movie and all that, this might be a good place to start the next few months of philosophical thrashing about.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 02:23:56 pm
Umn, are you suggesting that we change the holy numbers or something so we don't get sued by Jim Carrey? ^_^"
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Mangrove on March 14, 2007, 02:25:51 pm
Umn, are you suggesting that we change the holy numbers or something so we don't get sued by Jim Carrey? ^_^"

no.  8)

Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 02:26:54 pm
Much like "Reality maps" became "Black Iron Prisons", we should think up a new metaphor for the Law of Fives (and Starbuck's pebbles, because that's pretty much the same thing).
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: AFK on March 14, 2007, 02:30:49 pm
I'm already envisioning a pamphlet cover for the Starbuck's pebble idea.  It would incorporate Syn's avatar at POEE. 
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on March 14, 2007, 02:36:38 pm
I have a big version of that.

Okay, I'll stick to the art folks. ;)
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: AFK on March 14, 2007, 02:50:39 pm
I think there's also a lot of potential in the pebbles idea for spreading the message.  I'm thinking walking the streets of your local urban locality with a travel mug with dots on it.  A roving Starbuck's Pebbles test.  Or whatver we come up with. 
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 14, 2007, 03:31:30 pm
fuck it

law of fives is the BIP

if somebody has a foul disposition - they will see it as not 'cheery'
if somebody is in a progressive state of mind, they see the BIP as just another place to be


the BIP seems to stand up to scrutiny and it seems to be something that is still there even when you try to ignore it / avoid it


escaping from the BIP would be like escaping from the universe


the only thing that is uncomfortable about the BIP is that it suggests some amount of responsibility exists


the law of fives says you can call the BIP whatever you want to


the BIP is limitations
the law of fives is freedom to use your limitations in whatever way you can imagine
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Cramulus on March 14, 2007, 03:35:57 pm
fuck it

law of fives is the BIP


Hold on there. As I understand it--

Law of Fives - basically says that you make reality through your perceptions and expectations
Phillip K Dick Iron Prison - basically says that you're trapped inside your perceptions and expectations


when I started typing this post I was going to disagree that they're the same thing -- but now I think I see where you're going
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 03:43:55 pm
Well, since now we're really talking about it:

I'd say that Lo5 = the human brain will do it's damndest to find connections between things, even if there are no "real" connections to be made, and then convince itself that there really is a connection.

BIP [side note: PKD's BIP is very, very different from the BIP we came up with.  Please be careful if you're going to use PKDIP instead of BIP] = Our perceptions have biological and psychological limitations that we tend to not notice, or forget about.

While they relate, I don't think they're the "same thing".
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Cramulus on March 14, 2007, 03:47:10 pm

BIP [side note: PKD's BIP is very, very different from the BIP we came up with.  Please be careful if you're going to use PKDIP instead of BIP] = Our perceptions have biological and psychological limitations that we tend to not notice, or forget about.

Oh I'm just saying that to be a jerk. We spent a while banging our fists on the table saying OUR BIP IS NOT PKD'S BIP and I found that exceptionally humorous. I've never even read PKD so it was lost on me anyway.  :p
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 03:52:29 pm
Oh this all gives me another thought, the whole "you find what your looking for" concept fo the law of 5's.

How about we do something on "Magick"/"Law of attraction"?
I'm not neccesirly talking about ritual magick here, but the idea that if theres something you want, and you *really* keep it in mind that this is what you want, you'll eventually start finding things that point the way to where you want to go?
(I hope you guys know what I'm talking about and not just dismiss me as some crazy dude who thinks he's a maghiquetion with comicz powars or something.)
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 03:54:53 pm
Yeah, it's the "quarter trick" from Chapter 1 of Prometheus Rising.

What the Thinker Thinks, the Prover Proves, and all that.

You tell your brain to keep an eye out for a particular thing, and it sees it "more", and ignores all the times it didn't see it.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: DJRubberducky on March 14, 2007, 03:57:24 pm
Lysergic, have you ever heard of Dion Fortune?  D.M. Kraig refers to her as someone who claims that magic(k) works by altering your own consciousness, which then prompts to possibly take courses of action you wouldn't otherwise (even minor ones like driving home by a different route) and manifests the desired goal that way.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 03:58:35 pm
Oh good, so you guys don't think I'm a complete quack then lol.

So, I suppose then, its agreed Magick could be a topic of interest in BIP?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:01:26 pm
No.

Unless, of course, it's to completely debunk the whole process.  Perhaps a few centuries ago, people had to make up explainations and rituals to get to a certain point where you could force your brain to look for certain patterns.  But most of that is silly bullshit, and is no longer needed.

Plus, most thelemites and wiccans are fuckheads.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 14, 2007, 04:01:50 pm
the BIP are man's true physical limitations

nobody knows what exactly these limits are


every time we become more open-minded / become better critical thinkers / over come a taboo (jailbreak) - we broaden our expanses / expand our limitations / experience boundless freedom until we come across the next set of limitations (new 'prison')


some of the limitations we perceive are not actually limitations - in that regard - people limit themselves

barstools remind that there are limitations


the law of fives says you can call these limitations whatever you want to call them (including BIP)


if the word 'prison' makes people feel uncomfortable - then pick a new word


if the word 'black' makes people feel uncomfortable - WAYSA


if the word 'iron' makes people feels uncomfortable - pick a different metal/substance or get over the phobia
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 04:02:58 pm
Lysergic, have you ever heard of Dion Fortune?  D.M. Kraig refers to her as someone who claims that magic(k) works by altering your own consciousness, which then prompts to possibly take courses of action you wouldn't otherwise (even minor ones like driving home by a different route) and manifests the desired goal that way.
yeah, I've got a book called "How to manifest your destiny" by some dude who reckons he's a dr, Wayne W. Dyer.

I picked it up at an occult bookshop. I don't know what it was that made me want to buy it... but I did anyway... and then once I bought it, and read it, I started to note that in a fucked up way it made sense.  And then I noticed that there were very similer "methods" that all promised the same result from other places I researched... was very curious.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Thurnez Isa on March 14, 2007, 04:03:34 pm
dark metalic incarceration?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:04:17 pm
LHX, you're not suggesting that the BIP is a Unified Theory of Discordia, are you?   Cuz you're sort of sounding like the BIP is THE ANSWER.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 04:06:12 pm
No.

Unless, of course, it's to completely debunk the whole process.  Perhaps a few centuries ago, people had to make up explainations and rituals to get to a certain point where you could force your brain to look for certain patterns.  But most of that is silly bullshit, and is no longer needed.

Plus, most thelemites and wiccans are fuckheads.
You just said that it's talked about in promethius rising, (which I haven't read yet) so why not give the promethius rising spin on it? Unless you think it's complete crock?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 14, 2007, 04:09:40 pm
no - it isnt THE ANSWER

people have limitations

limitations are like a type of prison


im saying it can be called whatever people want to call it
but it doesnt alter the fact that something has been identified that isnt simply a shared delusion


we examine the nature of limitations

we examine what can and cant be done

we dont take other peoples word for it
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: AFK on March 14, 2007, 04:10:32 pm
Could it be said, then, that Law of Fives (taken literally) is an idea of contraction while BIP is an idea of expansion.

  
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 14, 2007, 04:12:32 pm
Could it be said, then, that Law of Fives (taken literally) is an idea of contraction while BIP is an idea of expansion.

 

i like where you are going with that
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:13:26 pm
No.

Unless, of course, it's to completely debunk the whole process.  Perhaps a few centuries ago, people had to make up explainations and rituals to get to a certain point where you could force your brain to look for certain patterns.  But most of that is silly bullshit, and is no longer needed.

Plus, most thelemites and wiccans are fuckheads.
You just said that it's talked about in promethius rising, (which I haven't read yet) so why not give the promethius rising spin on it? Unless you think it's complete crock?

But it's not talked about as Madgjyiqhue, it's talked about as how the brain works.  Big difference.

In Mageeeeckk, you have to do big silly rituals that are supposed to either call on non-existant forces, gods, or some sort of "energy" to do your bidding.  The other way, you just have to figure out how your brain works and train it.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 14, 2007, 04:13:53 pm
this compression and expansion go hand in hand



the more information you are able to compress
the more you can expand what you do with your time/attention - exploring, etc
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:14:15 pm
Could it be said, then, that Law of Fives (taken literally) is an idea of contraction while BIP is an idea of expansion.

  

I wouldn't say it, but I'd like to see where you go with that.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:15:57 pm
promethius rising, (which I haven't read yet)


You should read it as soon as possible.  That and Quantum Psychology.  They'll do you a world of good, i think.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Lies on March 14, 2007, 04:20:40 pm
promethius rising, (which I haven't read yet)


You should read it as soon as possible.  That and Quantum Psychology.  They'll do you a world of good, i think.
yeah, I'm in the middle of reading the illuminatus trilogy, and I have RAW's "Maybe logic" which I've been giving out to many people to watch as well. Brilliant stuff.

And yeah, well, I totally agree with the whole "How the mind works thing".
You can see it that way. I like to think of it as "Magick", but I don't think of silly rituals or such, I just think that its a way of "manifesting" your desires.
Whatever you wanna call it, I don't care. I'm just saying it would be cool if we could teach people how to get what they want now, wouldn't it?
Or maybe that information shouldn't just be givin out to randoms everywhere? :P
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: AFK on March 14, 2007, 04:23:00 pm
Could it be said, then, that Law of Fives (taken literally) is an idea of contraction while BIP is an idea of expansion.

  

I wouldn't say it, but I'd like to see where you go with that.

Crap,

Okay well I'm thinking in terms of the Law of Fives (taken literally) seems to be about categorizing "reality"/"universe"/"whatever" in a numerical fashion.  Now, I suppose since there is the concept of infininty in mathematics I may have already debunked my idea, I'm not sure.  Still, even taking infininty into consideration it seems like it is still boxing in reality in some fashion.

With BIP we have the concept of multiple cells.  That is, there is always another layer of stuff that we don't understand or acknowledge.  So, we continue to seek out more stuff to expand our universe, world, whatever.  

...to be continued and refined...
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 14, 2007, 04:40:16 pm
infinity is still a thing with limitations

like a pipe with sides (limits) but of endless length


i agree with you: there is a region that can be defined as undefined

knowable - but not defineable
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Triple Zero on March 14, 2007, 04:48:12 pm
new law of fives stuff.. i'm reading prometheus rising now (thanks to someone
who linked the pdf from here i printed it out), i'm just at the first chapters
now (it's much easier reading than his novels).

anyway, i thought, the important bit about the law of fives is very similar to
what RAW wrote about the Thinker and the Prover. (very short summary: divide the
mind into two parts, thinker and prover. the thinker is able to think just about
anything and indirectly affects reality with its thoughts. the prover simply
sets out to prove anything the thinker comes up with. anything)

if we're gonna do the quarter thing, i can recommend anybody to read that first
chapter. it's short and juicy.

the quarter thing is a rippoff btw. ok so i did it with a 20 eurocent coin
(cause we don't have quarters) but instead of finding one, i lost 2 euros
yesterday when battling the cigarette machine.

about magickq, i agree that the silly rituals and the nonexistant gods can be
wiped. but the "some sort of energy", well a lot of it can be ditched too but
there's also some pragmatic use to it: even though it doesn't really exist, your
mind can respond as if it does exist and sometimes this is a more efficient
route to take than only sticking with the things that are generally agreed upon
existing.
adding to that, i think a lot of the symbols can be very useful in discussion
the more subtle attributes of the mind. it shouldn't become qabalistic
sockfucking though (and this is hard to steer away from), but it can really help
streamline discussion if you have just a 2-3 word term/symbol for a concept
that would otherwise take you 2-3 paragraphs to explain.

maybe as i read further in PR we can continue talking about this subject without
getting certain people banging their drums and rattling their snakes.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 15, 2007, 07:45:27 am
The law of fives/Starbuck's pebbles/Thinker-Prover thing were all boiled down, quite nicely I think, to "convictions create convicts" which still, in theme, fits with BIP, so perhaps it should be used as the introduction to BIP.

...or not...

What I had in mind:  once you have introduced something simple (maybe even fun) for people to brainwash themselves with,  you bring it to their attention to show them the BIP, and how easy it is to change the structure of their worldview.  Then...well...fuck, they can shoot themselves, I guess.  Or play with their minds, which is what I do, but that might not be a good thing.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Jenne on March 15, 2007, 04:19:59 pm
Quote
Or play with their minds, which is what I do, but that might not be a good thing.

Whyever not?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 15, 2007, 04:38:28 pm
I have yet to meet someone that doesn't call me weird.  I believe that may be the reason for it.  I take pride in my "weirdness", and haven't given a fuck what people think of me since I was 12.  Most people feel differently about all that.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: hunter s.durden on March 15, 2007, 04:41:30 pm
I have yet to meet someone that doesn't call me weird.  I believe that may be the reason for it.  I take pride in my "weirdness", and haven't given a fuck what people think of me since I was 12.  Most people feel differently about all that.

Please don't start this nonsense...
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Jenne on March 15, 2007, 04:48:02 pm
NO such thing as weird, or normal.

Just perception.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 15, 2007, 04:49:46 pm
I have yet to meet someone that doesn't call me weird.  I believe that may be the reason for it.  I take pride in my "weirdness", and haven't given a fuck what people think of me since I was 12.  Most people feel differently about all that.

Please don't start this nonsense...

What nonsense?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: DJRubberducky on March 15, 2007, 04:50:16 pm
rgyD, I was like you once.  Then I realized that if I did care what people thought about me, it gave me the power to change what they thought about me.  Which can be leveraged into the power to change what they think about other things.

You're cheating yourself of a very useful tool.  You may wish to reconsider your absolute disdain.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 15, 2007, 05:32:28 pm
Bullshit.  I am also a very manipulative fucker, and can play their games to get what I want when it suits me.  I rarely resort to this except short term, as I am not to fond of lowering my standards.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2007, 07:21:20 pm
 :mullet:
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 15, 2007, 07:36:21 pm
Maybe I would get these jokes if I knew who that was.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LMNO on March 15, 2007, 07:39:34 pm
He is what he looks like.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: hunter s.durden on March 15, 2007, 09:32:00 pm
Don't start the whole "I'm so weird and mysterious, and I use my weird mysterious headgames to manipulate people."

You are not weird. Or cool. Or mysterious.
You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.
You are just another monkey.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 15, 2007, 09:35:04 pm
but.. but.. the NOSE BUBBLE!

</lavey>
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2007, 10:15:50 pm
Maybe I would get these jokes if I knew who that was.

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/rygd.jpg)

Getting it yet?
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 15, 2007, 10:26:05 pm
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

but a bored discordian does.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 15, 2007, 10:44:17 pm
srsly though, i think i have an idea.

the reality grid = the BIP/GSP.
the law of 5s plays into that. BIP says "what you see is what you believe," Lo5 says, "what you believe is what you see." together, they form the reality feedback loop.

these are the abstract/intangible "wtf is going on rly" stuff that really puts the focus on breaking the input/output cycle.  but it isn't a complete model because there is more to what we experience than just a static world where we project our beliefs/reality.  there is also the fact that others projecting their beliefs/reality can directly affect what we experience.  and the fact that there are false realities that are deliberately put up for us to experience, to throw us off the track.

so, basically, investigate Conspiracy. The Illuminati, and why there is a troll lurking around every corner.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2007, 10:57:32 pm
srsly though, i think i have an idea.

the reality grid = the BIP/GSP.
the law of 5s plays into that. BIP says "what you see is what you believe," Lo5 says, "what you believe is what you see." together, they form the reality feedback loop.

these are the abstract/intangible "wtf is going on rly" stuff that really puts the focus on breaking the input/output cycle.  but it isn't a complete model because there is more to what we experience than just a static world where we project our beliefs/reality.  there is also the fact that others projecting their beliefs/reality can directly affect what we experience.  and the fact that there are false realities that are deliberately put up for us to experience, to throw us off the track.

so, basically, investigate Conspiracy. The Illuminati, and why there is a troll lurking around every corner.

It's nice. I like it. I like it a lot. But it needs a name ....
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 15, 2007, 11:01:58 pm
eh. i suck at naming things but that won't stop my from trying.

the interference effect
the Reinforcements
the Cardboard SandCastle :D

fuck if i know.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2007, 11:08:16 pm
eh. i suck at naming things but that won't stop my from trying.

the interference effect
the Reinforcements
the Cardboard SandCastle :D

fuck if i know.

Okay.... so you're more of an ideas man.  :lulz: I'm sure the floor will be able to come up with something tho.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 16, 2007, 03:14:30 am
Don't start the whole "I'm so weird and mysterious, and I use my weird mysterious headgames to manipulate people."

You are not weird. Or cool. Or mysterious.
You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.
You are just another monkey.

I don't try to be weird, or "cool", or any such shit.  I am just fond of the fact that I am not stuck thinking like the masses.  The same is true for most people here, otherwise they wouldn't be here, so I don't see why saying that I get called weird is bugging you.

Social interaction is a fucking head game.  If you want to fuck someone why do you bother with the bullshit fluffy shit?  Why not just say "hey, lets go fuck"?

If you don't like this shit, too fucking bad, either deal with it or fucking ignore it.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 16, 2007, 03:16:02 am
Maybe I would get these jokes if I knew who that was.

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/rygd.jpg)

Getting it yet?
Aw, he is such a cute little piggy.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: LHX on March 16, 2007, 04:13:10 am
srsly though, i think i have an idea.

the reality grid = the BIP/GSP.
the law of 5s plays into that. BIP says "what you see is what you believe," Lo5 says, "what you believe is what you see." together, they form the reality feedback loop.

vex said it right there

thats basically what i was trying to get at in one of my long-winded bouts of jibberish when LMNO asked me if i was holding BIP to be THE ANSWER

these are the abstract/intangible "wtf is going on rly" stuff that really puts the focus on breaking the input/output cycle.  but it isn't a complete model because there is more to what we experience than just a static world where we project our beliefs/reality.  there is also the fact that others projecting their beliefs/reality can directly affect what we experience.  and the fact that there are false realities that are deliberately put up for us to experience, to throw us off the track.

so, basically, investigate Conspiracy. The Illuminati, and why there is a troll lurking around every corner.

it is a loop

it is perpetuated

you have to actively break out

and you have to actively remain broken out



we are working on mechanisms to keep that door open



BIP is only a part of it

the loop is a more complete metaphor
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: Triple Zero on March 16, 2007, 10:23:36 am
srsly though, i think i have an idea.

the reality grid = the BIP/GSP.
the law of 5s plays into that. BIP says "what you see is what you believe," Lo5 says, "what you believe is what you see." together, they form the reality feedback loop.

*congratulatory etc*

first bolded bit should of course be made into a diagram at gliffy.com and then written up nicely on a page in the wiki with the picture.

the title is obvious, the second bolded bit "reality feedback loop"

presto
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: hunter s.durden on March 16, 2007, 12:32:25 pm
Just sayin' rygD, you come off as a complete asswipe when you start that shit.

People that say they're weird generally think they're being cute.
Everyone has their little quirks and idiosyncracies.
If you think yours are so interesting you need to broadcast the fact, be my guest.
I was simply saying it's asswipey.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: rygD on March 17, 2007, 04:23:14 am
Just sayin' rygD, you come off as a complete asswipe when you start that shit.

People that say they're weird generally think they're being cute.
Everyone has their little quirks and idiosyncracies.
If you think yours are so interesting you need to broadcast the fact, be my guest.
I was simply saying it's asswipey.


Ok, so you obviously missed the rest of the conversation prior to my comment.  I was in no way broadcasting, I was stating why some people may not wish to play with world views that are not mainstream.  It may still be asswipey, but fucking pay attention before you get irritated with my conversation at least.
Title: Re: BIP: another intro.
Post by: hunter s.durden on March 17, 2007, 02:39:17 pm
Ok, so you obviously missed the rest of the conversation prior to my comment.  I was in no way broadcasting, I was stating why some people may not wish to play with world views that are not mainstream.  It may still be asswipey, but fucking pay attention before you get irritated with my conversation at least.

Nope, don't have to.
You're right, it's still asswipey.
My message got across, and that's what's important.