There's always an excuse.
When politicians decide they need to pass some odious legislation, there's always an excuse. "We need it to combat terrorism", they say, "We need it to protect you. Problem is, they never explain who is going to protect us from them...Or even, in some cases, who exactly they are protecting us from.
Take, for example, Section 1076. Most of you have probably never heard of Section 1076, because it's one of those nasty little pieces of work that they jammed through while you were enthralled with Terri Schiavo, or Mark Foley, or Laci Peterson.
What Section 1076 does is allow the president to declare martial law in case of a terrorist attack, rebellion - so far so good, but goes on to include conspiracy or a "shortfall of public order". The last two terms are not defined by the legislation.
So basically, the president can, at his sole discretion, declare martial law if he believes there is a conspiracy, or if what he perceives as "public order" isn't up to his - and only his - standards.
Ho ho! Are you ready for that? Are you ready for military-enforced draconian law, just because the president believes that some pesky protesters should shut the hell up, or because he feels that there is a conspiracy for pesky protesters to not shut the hell up? By the wording of this section, the president could declare martial law at a WTO protest. You think Seattle was bad? Har har! You haven't seen anything yet.
We are told that this legislation will only be used for combating terrorism, domestic and foreign, etc. We are told to trust them...Just like we were told to trust them with the Patriot Act, which was only to be used on terrorists. Oddly enough, one of the main uses for the Patriot Act is to arrest music pirates...so, by their word, Little Billy downloading the latest Evanescence single qualifies him as a terrorist.
But what of it? I mean, it's all in the interests of the Perfect State™, right? And when you're out to build something like that, sometimes you have to - in the words of the oath-breaking scumbag Ollie North - "break a few constitutional eggs". Or maybe you have to break a few citizens...but they were noisy protesters who block traffic anyway, so to hell with them, right?
Well, I have an opinion on that.
The president has said, "You're either with us, or you're against us." Well, Mister President, I have to say that I am against you. I am against you and everything you stand for, because I have always preferred a republic - with all its inherent dangers - over the "safety" and "protection" you offer...Because, you see, we've heard this joke before. Bismark told it, Hitler told it, Mussolini told it, hell, even Uncle Joe Stalin told it.
And it wasn't funny any of those times, either.
So I guess it's time we told a few jokes of our own. And we have lots of jokes, don't we, friends?
Or kill me.
:kingmeh:
:mittens:
:mittens: ALL THE FUCKING WAY!
your rants make me go :argh!:
then :lulz:
but but but look--
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
someone to patch up our foreign policy and clean up our reputation? someone to put a trampoline under the freefalling dollar? someone to put everything back how it was before 9/11?
If the majority wants their freedom back, politicians will eventually make it their platform, right? And then we can just elect him or her, and we can go back to sleep.
See everything's gonna be just fine.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 06, 2008, 01:35:04 AM
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
I see no reason why that HAS to occur.
man, evanescence sucks.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 01:53:19 AM
man, evanescence sucks.
And Evanescence was, of course, the whole point of the article.
UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
Eat a dick, troll.
oh - you almost got me.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 02:11:00 AM
oh - you almost got me.
Okay. I think we're done here.
At least until you start a thread. Then I return the favor.
See ya then, fucktard!
well, now that that's out of the way - i guess i didn't understand that you're only allowed to say "AMEN" in the "or kill me thread"
i was NOT trying to derail this thread.
i only posted the evanescence comment because i thought it was the only room for debate. i.e. you're pretty much preaching to the choir, no? i seriously doubt anyone on this forum would disagree with you. save for "why would little billy download evanescence?" i couldn't help it. of the thousands of bands, why did you choose evanescence? it was just too much. anyhow - no offense meant.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
well, now that that's out of the way - i guess i didn't understand that you're only allowed to say "AMEN" in the "or kill me thread"
Nobody said that, moron. However, look at your initial reply, and tell me exactly what argument you were raising besides "ZOMG I MADE A POST! I'M SO FUCKING CLEVER LOLOLOLOL!!!"
But maybe I'm wrong. If so, I am sure you can explain the argument with the thread topic that you were trying to raise.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i was NOT trying to derail this thread.
Don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining, jackass.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i only posted the evanescence comment because i thought it was the only room for debate.
Lemme get this straight: You thought that a satirical reference to an emo band was a subject for DEBATE?
Pull the other one, Screwy, it has bells.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i.e. you're pretty much preaching to the choir, no?
Assuming that's true, did you ever think that might be to use this forum as a sounding board before using the piece elsewhere? Or did you just fucking assume that I took the time to write it in anticipation of some fucktard saying "ZOMG! EVANESCENCE IS TEH SUXXOR!!!1111@#"? Yeah, that's why I wrote that page and a half. So you could show how 733t you are.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i seriously doubt anyone on this forum would disagree with you. save for "why would little billy download evanescence?" i couldn't help it. of the thousands of bands, why did you choose evanescence? it was just too much.
I CHOSE THEM BECAUSE WE'D ALREADY DONE NIGHTWISH AND MCR.
You'd have known that, if you'd looked around before shitting all over someone's thread for your own pathetic amusement.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
anyhow - no offense meant.
Which is why you posted what you did in Apple Talk.
:lulz:
I may have been born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.
rejack.
RAH!!!! :mittens:
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 06, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
rejack.
RAH!!!! :mittens:
I don't know why I even bother anymore.
No joke.
Because it has to be done by someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 06, 2008, 03:26:15 AM
Because it has to be done by someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
Okay, you do it.
I'm tired of this shit. You spend a while grunting out some hate shitting, hell, two in one day, and for what? So some piece of trash can come along and ZOMG it?
Fuck that. Someone else can take a turn for a while. Hell, Cain does a great job.
Me? Heh. I can't shit hate the way you do. And yes Cain does a great job and has a terrific writing style, but he convinces instead of getting the crowd on their feet screaming.
you're right - that joke ain't funny anymore
WTF are you talking about?
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:33:56 AM
you're right - that joke ain't funny anymore
So leave.
I mean, you've already trashed the thread. Mission accomplished, right?
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 06, 2008, 03:36:17 AM
WTF are you talking about?
Not sure, but he might be gloating.
Fuck him.
I have 2 or 3 free days now. If the dumbass ever gets off of dialup i will eat him.
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 06, 2008, 03:50:21 AM
I have 2 or 3 free days now. If the dumbass ever gets off of dialup i will eat him.
I'm letting it drop. He PM'd me, and seems to be new to this sort of board.
I mean, of course I still hate him and everything he stands for, but I'm letting it drop.
I'll considerit. Since it wasn't in public.
Rejack (second attempt):
It seems that this law would make great fodder for neocon boards.
Ending the rant, of course, with "I wonder what president Hillary will do with this..."
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 06, 2008, 03:58:11 AM
I'll considerit. Since it wasn't in public.
why does wether its in public or not make a difference?
Quote from: LMNO on May 06, 2008, 03:00:34 PM
Rejack (second attempt):
It seems that this law would make great fodder for neocon boards.
Ending the rant, of course, with "I wonder what president Hillary will do with this..."
heh excellent idea, though it always saddens me that you have to spell it out when explaining the dangers of increased governmental power.
Quote from: Regret on May 06, 2008, 05:12:19 PM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 06, 2008, 03:58:11 AM
I'll considerit. Since it wasn't in public.
why does wether its in public or not make a difference?
Quote from: LMNO on May 06, 2008, 03:00:34 PM
Rejack (second attempt):
It seems that this law would make great fodder for neocon boards.
Ending the rant, of course, with "I wonder what president Hillary will do with this..."
heh excellent idea, though it always saddens me that you have to spell it out when explaining the dangers of increased governmental power.
Because he started it in public.
Rejack # 3.
Plenty of tools have no concept of the evils of granting the government absolute power. Hell, they would prefer a King just to eliminate them from having to accept responsibility.
Quote from: Pratchett
"Down there," he said, "are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any iniquity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathesomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don't say no."
-Guards! Guards!
Quote from: LMNO on May 06, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: Pratchett
"Down there," he said, "are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any iniquity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathesomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don't say no."
-Guards! Guards!
:mittens:
I agree with the initial post, although by the time I got to the third page I forgot what it was. Post successfully murdered. I would like to add that even though I do agree with you, I don't think you're an idiot to post something I agree with. Of course he's preaching to the choir; you don't go to parenting forums to talk about abortions.
Anyway, I think the power struggle really boils down to the fact that there are more people with guns in the government. I say do what you want as long as you are brave enough to stand up to the consequences. So the government is a huge corporation that can have you killed on a whim... you going to let that stop you?!
Quote from: ShoobyDB on May 07, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
I agree with the initial post, although by the time I got to the third page I forgot what it was. Post successfully murdered.
Protip: you can always go back and re-read previous posts before hitting "reply".
Quote from: LMNO, aka "Kitty" on May 07, 2008, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on May 07, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
I agree with the initial post, although by the time I got to the third page I forgot what it was. Post successfully murdered.
Protip: you can always go back and re-read previous posts before hitting "reply".
Fuck.
:sodamonitor:
OP:
You know what the discordians need?
Myrmidons.
Those warriors that would go and do whatever, NQA.
We could brainwash recruits from Gaia.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on May 07, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
I agree with the initial post, although by the time I got to the third page I forgot what it was. Post successfully murdered. I would like to add that even though I do agree with you, I don't think you're an idiot to post something I agree with. Of course he's preaching to the choir; you don't go to parenting forums to talk about abortions.
Anyway, I think the power struggle really boils down to the fact that there are more people with guns in the government. I say do what you want as long as you are brave enough to stand up to the consequences. So the government is a huge corporation that can have you killed on a whim... you going to let that stop you?!
Of course not. Because the "government" doesn't actually
exist.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2008, 03:34:11 AM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on May 07, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
I agree with the initial post, although by the time I got to the third page I forgot what it was. Post successfully murdered. I would like to add that even though I do agree with you, I don't think you're an idiot to post something I agree with. Of course he's preaching to the choir; you don't go to parenting forums to talk about abortions.
Anyway, I think the power struggle really boils down to the fact that there are more people with guns in the government. I say do what you want as long as you are brave enough to stand up to the consequences. So the government is a huge corporation that can have you killed on a whim... you going to let that stop you?!
Of course not. Because the "government" doesn't actually exist.
*was waiting for that*
Also, on the OP: fuck me running, Rog, I wish you could broadcast this shit ship to shore. NO ONE GETS IT out there, NO ONE. I mean, they pay lipservice, but they don't even TRY to use what's left of this bullshit "democracy." They don't think they can use it properly, or should expend the effort, so why bother even trying. It reeks, it really really does. They swallow, wholesale, every bullshit line about "freedom" and "protection" in the same breath.
Makes me ill.
And I go off, oh you bet I do. I recently went off on a buncha drunk PTA moms, and all they did was teehee and murmur "well, there you go, you got Jenne started again!" and so I stfu. *shrug* Let the bitches simmer in their own juices then.
What the fuck do I care, anyway?
Quote from: Jenne on May 10, 2008, 03:51:33 AM
And I go off, oh you bet I do. I recently went off on a buncha drunk PTA moms, and all they did was teehee and murmur "well, there you go, you got Jenne started again!" and so I stfu. *shrug* Let the bitches simmer in their own juices then.
What the fuck do I care, anyway?
There's another rant in here somewhere. I'd write it, but I haven't had nearly enough experiences of this sort.
Quote from: Cainad on May 10, 2008, 03:55:06 AM
Quote from: Jenne on May 10, 2008, 03:51:33 AM
And I go off, oh you bet I do. I recently went off on a buncha drunk PTA moms, and all they did was teehee and murmur "well, there you go, you got Jenne started again!" and so I stfu. *shrug* Let the bitches simmer in their own juices then.
What the fuck do I care, anyway?
There's another rant in here somewhere. I'd write it, but I haven't had nearly enough experiences of this sort.
I think I rant so much IRL, that I have barely anything left for typing out. Sad, but true. But yes, I'm well known as foaming at the mouth at the very mention of politics, asshole legislators, and fucked up office personnel of said asshole legislators, who kick you out of the said asshole leg offices, kick you off their blessed schedules for said asshole legislators, and make lobbying hard in general.
Quote from: Jenne on May 10, 2008, 03:51:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2008, 03:34:11 AM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on May 07, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
I agree with the initial post, although by the time I got to the third page I forgot what it was. Post successfully murdered. I would like to add that even though I do agree with you, I don't think you're an idiot to post something I agree with. Of course he's preaching to the choir; you don't go to parenting forums to talk about abortions.
Anyway, I think the power struggle really boils down to the fact that there are more people with guns in the government. I say do what you want as long as you are brave enough to stand up to the consequences. So the government is a huge corporation that can have you killed on a whim... you going to let that stop you?!
Of course not. Because the "government" doesn't actually exist.
*was waiting for that*
Also, on the OP: fuck me running, Rog, I wish you could broadcast this shit ship to shore. NO ONE GETS IT out there, NO ONE. I mean, they pay lipservice, but they don't even TRY to use what's left of this bullshit "democracy." They don't think they can use it properly, or should expend the effort, so why bother even trying. It reeks, it really really does. They swallow, wholesale, every bullshit line about "freedom" and "protection" in the same breath.
Makes me ill.
And I go off, oh you bet I do. I recently went off on a buncha drunk PTA moms, and all they did was teehee and murmur "well, there you go, you got Jenne started again!" and so I stfu. *shrug* Let the bitches simmer in their own juices then.
What the fuck do I care, anyway?
Next time, beat them with a chair.
THAT might work...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2008, 03:34:11 AM
Of course not. Because the "government" doesn't actually exist.
HEY! the government is as real as the internet, or popular culture!
Quote from: Regret on May 11, 2008, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2008, 03:34:11 AM
Of course not. Because the "government" doesn't actually exist.
HEY! the government is as real as the internet, or popular culture!
:mullet:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 11, 2008, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: Regret on May 11, 2008, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2008, 03:34:11 AM
Of course not. Because the "government" doesn't actually exist.
HEY! the government is as real as the internet, or popular culture!
:mullet:
how dare you insult my intelligence!
i was trying to start a discussion about the usage of the word exist here, seems i failed. ah well +5xp for surviving.
to get back to an actual subject here: it depresses the crap out of me to see people that don't realize how much power they have, they give it all away. :cry:
IF: you have a problem
THEN: solve it yourself
Wait, somebody else agrees with me on the internet being a mass hallucination?
Dammit, now I need a different psuedo-profound crackpot idea that nobody takes seriously.
In all seriousness though, things that don't really exist except as mass hallucinations are the most powerful forces in human life. Pre packages ideas, gods, the popular thing, laws, and whatever some pundit claims is the right thing to do, all stick in the minds of cabbages.
Religion is a powerful force, whether God exists or not, math is a set of rules we made up, but it lets us build skyscrapers, hell, the largest industry in the world is now the creation of software, and we build machines to do our hallucinating for us.
Quote from: Requiem on May 17, 2008, 07:36:38 PM
Wait, somebody else agrees with me on the internet being a mass hallucination?
Oh, no. The internet is real. Al Gore doesn't exist.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 06, 2008, 01:35:04 AM
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
someone to patch up our foreign policy and clean up our reputation? someone to put a trampoline under the freefalling dollar? someone to put everything back how it was before 9/11?
If the majority wants their freedom back, politicians will eventually make it their platform, right? And then we can just elect him or her, and we can go back to sleep.
See everything's gonna be just fine.
Sure, everything will be fine, but I think it's doomed to get worse before it gets better.
No one has enough incentive to be that nice guy politician, those are dangerous waters, and the individual can come away with far more by sucking up to the corporations.
DOES the majority want their freedom back?? Or are many still in fear for their safety, and willing to give up their freedoms for the supposed greater good?
I think the US is far more likely to spiral down until there's a bloody revolution.
I hope I'm wrong.
Kinda.
Quote from: bones on May 20, 2008, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 06, 2008, 01:35:04 AM
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
someone to patch up our foreign policy and clean up our reputation? someone to put a trampoline under the freefalling dollar? someone to put everything back how it was before 9/11?
If the majority wants their freedom back, politicians will eventually make it their platform, right? And then we can just elect him or her, and we can go back to sleep.
See everything's gonna be just fine.
Sure, everything will be fine, but I think it's doomed to get worse before it gets better.
No one has enough incentive to be that nice guy politician, those are dangerous waters, and the individual can come away with far more by sucking up to the corporations.
DOES the majority want their freedom back?? Or are many still in fear for their safety, and willing to give up their freedoms for the supposed greater good?
I think the US is far more likely to spiral down until there's a bloody revolution.
I hope I'm wrong.
Kinda.
Revolution = bloodbath = gubbamint WINS.
just sayin'.
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on May 20, 2008, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: bones on May 20, 2008, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 06, 2008, 01:35:04 AM
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
someone to patch up our foreign policy and clean up our reputation? someone to put a trampoline under the freefalling dollar? someone to put everything back how it was before 9/11?
If the majority wants their freedom back, politicians will eventually make it their platform, right? And then we can just elect him or her, and we can go back to sleep.
See everything's gonna be just fine.
Sure, everything will be fine, but I think it's doomed to get worse before it gets better.
No one has enough incentive to be that nice guy politician, those are dangerous waters, and the individual can come away with far more by sucking up to the corporations.
DOES the majority want their freedom back?? Or are many still in fear for their safety, and willing to give up their freedoms for the supposed greater good?
I think the US is far more likely to spiral down until there's a bloody revolution.
I hope I'm wrong.
Kinda.
Revolution = bloodbath = gubbamint WINS.
just sayin'.
Even if its the new gubmint that replaces the old... still
Revolution = bloodbath = gubbamint WINS. SAGE
I really liked the closing on this one.
:mittens:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 06, 2008, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 06, 2008, 01:35:04 AM
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
I see no reason why that HAS to occur.
ANNNNNNNNND with The Media Shield Act, I am vindicated!
:hammer:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 06, 2009, 06:49:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 06, 2008, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 06, 2008, 01:35:04 AM
we've just gotta ride this out, right? I mean, soon we'll have some goodly politician ride in on a white horse and start to undo all this, right?
I see no reason why that HAS to occur.
ANNNNNNNNND with The Media Shield Act, I am vindicated!
:hammer:
You certainly get the "I CALLED IT WAAAAAAAYY BEFORE IT HAPPENED" award!
:mittens:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 06, 2008, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
well, now that that's out of the way - i guess i didn't understand that you're only allowed to say "AMEN" in the "or kill me thread"
Nobody said that, moron. However, look at your initial reply, and tell me exactly what argument you were raising besides "ZOMG I MADE A POST! I'M SO FUCKING CLEVER LOLOLOLOL!!!"
But maybe I'm wrong. If so, I am sure you can explain the argument with the thread topic that you were trying to raise.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i was NOT trying to derail this thread.
Don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining, jackass.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i only posted the evanescence comment because i thought it was the only room for debate.
Lemme get this straight: You thought that a satirical reference to an emo band was a subject for DEBATE?
Pull the other one, Screwy, it has bells.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i.e. you're pretty much preaching to the choir, no?
Assuming that's true, did you ever think that might be to use this forum as a sounding board before using the piece elsewhere? Or did you just fucking assume that I took the time to write it in anticipation of some fucktard saying "ZOMG! EVANESCENCE IS TEH SUXXOR!!!1111@#"? Yeah, that's why I wrote that page and a half. So you could show how 733t you are.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
i seriously doubt anyone on this forum would disagree with you. save for "why would little billy download evanescence?" i couldn't help it. of the thousands of bands, why did you choose evanescence? it was just too much.
I CHOSE THEM BECAUSE WE'D ALREADY DONE NIGHTWISH AND MCR.
You'd have known that, if you'd looked around before shitting all over someone's thread for your own pathetic amusement.
Quote from: rong on May 06, 2008, 03:07:33 AM
anyhow - no offense meant.
Which is why you posted what you did in Apple Talk.
:lulz:
I may have been born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.
Bump, because the shitbag hasn't changed a bit.
The phrase ''The terrorists want you 'safe''' keeps popping to mind...
i like this...
a lot...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 05, 2008, 11:47:46 PM
There's always an excuse.
When politicians decide they need to pass some odious legislation, there's always an excuse. "We need it to combat terrorism", they say, "We need it to protect you. Problem is, they never explain who is going to protect us from them...Or even, in some cases, who exactly they are protecting us from.
Take, for example, Section 1076. Most of you have probably never heard of Section 1076, because it's one of those nasty little pieces of work that they jammed through while you were enthralled with Terri Schiavo, or Mark Foley, or Laci Peterson.
What Section 1076 does is allow the president to declare martial law in case of a terrorist attack, rebellion - so far so good, but goes on to include conspiracy or a "shortfall of public order". The last two terms are not defined by the legislation.
So basically, the president can, at his sole discretion, declare martial law if he believes there is a conspiracy, or if what he perceives as "public order" isn't up to his - and only his - standards.
Ho ho! Are you ready for that? Are you ready for military-enforced draconian law, just because the president believes that some pesky protesters should shut the hell up, or because he feels that there is a conspiracy for pesky protesters to not shut the hell up? By the wording of this section, the president could declare martial law at a WTO protest. You think Seattle was bad? Har har! You haven't seen anything yet.
We are told that this legislation will only be used for combating terrorism, domestic and foreign, etc. We are told to trust them...Just like we were told to trust them with the Patriot Act, which was only to be used on terrorists. Oddly enough, one of the main uses for the Patriot Act is to arrest music pirates...so, by their word, Little Billy downloading the latest Evanescence single qualifies him as a terrorist.
But what of it? I mean, it's all in the interests of the Perfect State™, right? And when you're out to build something like that, sometimes you have to - in the words of the oath-breaking scumbag Ollie North - "break a few constitutional eggs". Or maybe you have to break a few citizens...but they were noisy protesters who block traffic anyway, so to hell with them, right?
Well, I have an opinion on that.
The president has said, "You're either with us, or you're against us." Well, Mister President, I have to say that I am against you. I am against you and everything you stand for, because I have always preferred a republic - with all its inherent dangers - over the "safety" and "protection" you offer...Because, you see, we've heard this joke before. Bismark told it, Hitler told it, Mussolini told it, hell, even Uncle Joe Stalin told it.
And it wasn't funny any of those times, either.
So I guess it's time we told a few jokes of our own. And we have lots of jokes, don't we, friends?
Or kill me.
Bump for current relevance.
Crap, is 1076 still on the books?
Quote from: LMNO on July 26, 2018, 06:57:21 PM
Crap, is 1076 still on the books?
Yes. It has been changed 3 times since, but the horror remains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act
well, I'll be near the eastern corner of the detainment camp, if anyone needs me.
Quote from: LMNO on July 26, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
well, I'll be near the eastern corner of the detainment camp, if anyone needs me.
You and I will not be sent to any kind of camp, LMNO.
We'll be shot in our beds.
This is a particularly good bit:
Old version:
QuoteWhenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.
New version:
QuoteWhenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 26, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO on July 26, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
well, I'll be near the eastern corner of the detainment camp, if anyone needs me.
You and I will not be sent to any kind of camp, LMNO.
We'll be shot in our beds.
Well, at least I'll be in bed.
Quote from: LMNO on July 26, 2018, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 26, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO on July 26, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
well, I'll be near the eastern corner of the detainment camp, if anyone needs me.
You and I will not be sent to any kind of camp, LMNO.
We'll be shot in our beds.
Well, at least I'll be in bed.
No sense dying tired.
I'm glad you all have come around to the "We Will Never Be Imprisoned" angle.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 26, 2018, 11:18:01 PM
I'm glad you all have come around to the "We Will Never Be Imprisoned" angle.
Well, I am unsure about
that. But there is also a "strangle a guard in the lavatory" angle, if it comes to it.