So villager and i got tapped to play bass and guitar respectively for a local musician in two weeks and were practicing with him tonight. Hes going to give us some direction but we largely have free reign since the main focus is synth and vocals. Anyway hes thinking of going for a glam rock feel for this show.
So what are two or three songs that you think are stylistically representative of glam rock? I know thats a retarded question- if someone asked me the same about metal id call them daft but i dont really have a lot to go on atm.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
So what are two or three songs that you think are stylistically representative of glam rock? I know thats a retarded question- if someone asked me the same about metal id call them daft but i dont really have a lot to go on atm.
Tape some headphones to your skull and listen to Ratt & White Lion for a while.
There will be screaming involved - yours - but it's the only way you'll learn.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
So what are two or three songs that you think are stylistically representative of glam rock? I know thats a retarded question- if someone asked me the same about metal id call them daft but i dont really have a lot to go on atm.
Tape some headphones to your skull and listen to Ratt & White Lion for a while.
There will be screaming involved - yours - but it's the only way you'll learn.
:lol:
Sorry, I mean like glitter rock, like David Bowie and shit rather than the 80s hair variety.
"18 and Life" - Skid Row
"Talk Dirty To Me" and "Fallen Angel" - Poison
"Cherry Pie" - Warrant
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
So what are two or three songs that you think are stylistically representative of glam rock? I know thats a retarded question- if someone asked me the same about metal id call them daft but i dont really have a lot to go on atm.
Tape some headphones to your skull and listen to Ratt & White Lion for a while.
There will be screaming involved - yours - but it's the only way you'll learn.
:lol:
Sorry, I mean like glitter rock, like David Bowie and shit rather than the 80s hair variety.
Oh, yeah, then. David Bowie and Queen's later stuff.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
So what are two or three songs that you think are stylistically representative of glam rock? I know thats a retarded question- if someone asked me the same about metal id call them daft but i dont really have a lot to go on atm.
Tape some headphones to your skull and listen to Ratt & White Lion for a while.
There will be screaming involved - yours - but it's the only way you'll learn.
:lol:
Sorry, I mean like glitter rock, like David Bowie and shit rather than the 80s hair variety.
Oh, yeah, then. David Bowie and Queen's later stuff.
"WHY CAN'T WE GIVE LOVE ONE MORE CHAAAANCE?"
Also: Bonus points if you take some Elton John and do it in the style of Bowie. I mean, BIG.
Man. I wanna SEE this.
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
So what are two or three songs that you think are stylistically representative of glam rock? I know thats a retarded question- if someone asked me the same about metal id call them daft but i dont really have a lot to go on atm.
Tape some headphones to your skull and listen to Ratt & White Lion for a while.
There will be screaming involved - yours - but it's the only way you'll learn.
:lol:
Sorry, I mean like glitter rock, like David Bowie and shit rather than the 80s hair variety.
Oh, yeah, then. David Bowie and Queen's later stuff.
"WHY CAN'T WE GIVE LOVE ONE MORE CHAAAANCE?"
Also: Bonus points if you take some Elton John and do it in the style of Bowie. I mean, BIG.
Man. I wanna SEE this.
Elton John is a blues singer, not glitter rock.
Rock is ALL blues and jazz, bruvah.
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
Rock is ALL blues and jazz, bruvah.
No, it isn't.
1. Jazz has nothing to do with rock n roll. Scat jazz inspired rap, but that's about it, other than the idea that you can use your instruments the way you like, rather than strictly for "classical" type music.
2. Blues DID have a lot to do with rock n roll, but rock n roll is more closely tied to R&B than pure blues. What blues and the best bits of rock n roll have in common is that they have something to say. Likewise, glitter rock differs from glam rock in that glitter rock is usually talking about things other than getting laid or pining after an old flame. Glam rock is essentially the music world's answer to Romance novels, while glitter rock was a bunch of guys trying out something new and looking FABULOUS while they did it.
Ummm, off the top of my head...
"Rock and Roll Suicide" from The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.
"Cum On Feel the Noize" by Slade
And I personally, would hate to see anything "Glam" or "Glitter" without throwing in something from Rocky Horror. Maybe "Sweet Transvestite" or "I'm Going Home" not that "Time Warp" wouldn't get a lot of audience involvement but.... a bit overdone.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 06:44:55 PM
"Cum On Feel the Noize" by Slade
Quiet Riot.
Wrong version..... :wink:
Slade did it first in '73. Mom had the record. Only reason I even thought of it.
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 06:44:55 PM
"Cum On Feel the Noize" by Slade
Quiet Riot.
Wrong version..... :wink:
Slade did it first in '73. Mom had the record. Only reason I even thought of it.
And I have been owned. :lol:
I always think of Slade with their sappy 80s stuff.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 06:44:55 PM
"Cum On Feel the Noize" by Slade
Quiet Riot.
Wrong version..... :wink:
Slade did it first in '73. Mom had the record. Only reason I even thought of it.
And I have been owned. :lol:
I always think of Slade with their sappy 80s stuff.
Me too, I remember this song because when I was old enough to stand in one of mom's slips (as a dress) huge hair wig adn enough makeup to make Tammy Faye weep in envy with a big silver ladle as a microphone belting out David Bowie and others, THIS song she hid from me.....
Funniest thing is I never understood why for years...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
Rock is ALL blues and jazz, bruvah.
No, it isn't.
1. Jazz has nothing to do with rock n roll. Scat jazz inspired rap, but that's about it, other than the idea that you can use your instruments the way you like, rather than strictly for "classical" type music.
2. Blues DID have a lot to do with rock n roll, but rock n roll is more closely tied to R&B than pure blues. What blues and the best bits of rock n roll have in common is that they have something to say. Likewise, glitter rock differs from glam rock in that glitter rock is usually talking about things other than getting laid or pining after an old flame. Glam rock is essentially the music world's answer to Romance novels, while glitter rock was a bunch of guys trying out something new and looking FABULOUS while they did it.
If you wanna get technical, both Jazz and Blues (and country too) are derived from Gospel. Think tempo and chord progression.
I give you the Pres Hall Jazz Band:
http://video.pbs.org/video/2151153549/
Proving BOTH of us right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHcpao52DQ
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
Rock is ALL blues and jazz, bruvah.
No, it isn't.
1. Jazz has nothing to do with rock n roll. Scat jazz inspired rap, but that's about it, other than the idea that you can use your instruments the way you like, rather than strictly for "classical" type music.
2. Blues DID have a lot to do with rock n roll, but rock n roll is more closely tied to R&B than pure blues. What blues and the best bits of rock n roll have in common is that they have something to say. Likewise, glitter rock differs from glam rock in that glitter rock is usually talking about things other than getting laid or pining after an old flame. Glam rock is essentially the music world's answer to Romance novels, while glitter rock was a bunch of guys trying out something new and looking FABULOUS while they did it.
If you wanna get technical, both Jazz and Blues (and country too) are derived from Gospel. Think tempo and chord progression.
I give you the Pres Hall Jazz Band:
http://video.pbs.org/video/2151153549/
Proving BOTH of us right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHcpao52DQ
I'm not gonna argue at all, from a technical perspective, because I don't know all that much about music on a technical level (ie, how chords were developed, etc). However, I am gonna say that the
ideas behind blues and R&B are a lot closer to rock n roll than Jazz is.
Also, the ideas that have remained throughout the years rock n roll has existed have far more to do with the blues than anything else. Country, on the other hand, has stuck with a combination of blues and Gospel, though in recent years pop rock has shoved its snotty nose in (Taylor Swift and that yahoo from Australia whose name escapes me).
How so? Not trying to be obstinate here but how are the ideas behind The Blues different than the ideas (I assume you mean feelings) behind the second link I showed you?
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
How so? Not trying to be obstinate here but how are the ideas behind The Blues different than the ideas (I assume you mean feelings) behind the second link I showed you?
Not sure yet. I can't see youtube from this computer. Until I can see it from the laptop, I kind of have to argue from experience. When I see the link, I may have a change of opinion.
Fair enough.
I get into arguments all the time about how much of House music is actually derived from The Blues as well. People can't put together how "Red House" (Hendrix) relates "Don't Leave Me This Way" (Thelma Houston) and how that takes you to a lot of the Classic House music of the late 80s - 90s with the soulful "Black Diva" vocals until I put it to them that way.
To quickly put things into layman's terms, you have the do re mi sort of stuff. This is usually expressed as I ii iii IV V vi vii-
I, IV, and V are major chords. ii iii and vi are minor chords. vii- sounds like shit in the majority of contexts because it contains the devil's note relative to it's root.
The majority of Western music is based off of I, IV, V, and vi. This goes for blues, country, rock and jazz on a basic level.
But, again, this is on a very basic level since all of those genres will use all of those chords, and even chords not included in this theme. Especially jazz, which makes it a point to do that sort of thing.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
To quickly put things into layman's terms, you have the do re mi sort of stuff. This is usually expressed as I ii iii IV V vi vii-
I, IV, and V are major chords. ii iii and vi are minor chords. vii- sounds like shit in the majority of contexts because it contains the devil's note relative to it's root.
The majority of Western music is based off of I, IV, V, and vi. This goes for blues, country, rock and jazz on a basic level.
But, again, this is on a very basic level since all of those genres will use all of those chords, and even chords not included in this theme. Especially jazz, which makes it a point to do that sort of thing.
We're arguing structure and not content, here.
Just saying.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
I, IV, and V are major chords. ii iii and vi are minor chords. vii- sounds like shit in the majority of contexts because it contains the devil's note relative to it's root.
Thankfully, the devil invented Tony Iommi.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
To quickly put things into layman's terms, you have the do re mi sort of stuff. This is usually expressed as I ii iii IV V vi vii-
I, IV, and V are major chords. ii iii and vi are minor chords. vii- sounds like shit in the majority of contexts because it contains the devil's note relative to it's root.
The majority of Western music is based off of I, IV, V, and vi. This goes for blues, country, rock and jazz on a basic level.
But, again, this is on a very basic level since all of those genres will use all of those chords, and even chords not included in this theme. Especially jazz, which makes it a point to do that sort of thing.
We're arguing structure and not content, here.
Just saying.
The chords are an important part of the structure though, and I think that's where navkat is coming from (typical chord progressions), but I could be wrong.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 07:49:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
To quickly put things into layman's terms, you have the do re mi sort of stuff. This is usually expressed as I ii iii IV V vi vii-
I, IV, and V are major chords. ii iii and vi are minor chords. vii- sounds like shit in the majority of contexts because it contains the devil's note relative to it's root.
The majority of Western music is based off of I, IV, V, and vi. This goes for blues, country, rock and jazz on a basic level.
But, again, this is on a very basic level since all of those genres will use all of those chords, and even chords not included in this theme. Especially jazz, which makes it a point to do that sort of thing.
We're arguing structure and not content, here.
Just saying.
The chords are an important part of the structure though, and I think that's where navkat is coming from (typical chord progressions), but I could be wrong.
Well, if we're discussing structure, I am out of anything resembling knowledge of the subject, and am not really qualified to continue.
TGRR,
Understands music as heard, not as played.
That's how I started off but then Rog specified that to him, it was about "ideas." I assume he means "feeling."
I personally feel like both are true.
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:53:54 PM
That's how I started off but then Rog specified that to him, it was about "ideas." I assume he means "feeling."
I personally feel like both are true.
Yep. You two talk structure, I'm gonna cart my "racist" ass of somewhere else.
HOLD ON!!!
I actually put a bit of time and thought into my suggestions even if I did say off the top of my head... :wink:
You didn't like any of them? :oops:
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
HOLD ON!!!
I actually put a bit of time and thought into my suggestions even if I did say off the top of my head... :wink:
You didn't like any of them? :oops:
Yeah, but you and I were talking about something else entirely, I think.
no glam rock tribute would be complete without...
Mott the Hoople - All the young dudes
T-Rex - pretty much anything
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
HOLD ON!!!
I actually put a bit of time and thought into my suggestions even if I did say off the top of my head... :wink:
You didn't like any of them? :oops:
Yeah, but you and I were talking about something else entirely, I think.
Oh... :oops:
Damn. My bad.
Sometimes I wish I bothered to learn more about music in the hopes that it would deepen my understanding and appreciation of music.
Now is not one of those times.
Coyote, knows jack and shit about musical genres.
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 08:01:30 PM
Sometimes I wish I bothered to learn more about music in the hopes that it would deepen my understanding and appreciation of music.
Now is not one of those times.
Coyote, knows jack and shit about musical genres.
I thought we were talking about genres, not how the music is structured by musicians.
If I knew that kind of shit, I'd probably be a King Crimson fan.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2012, 08:00:13 PM
no glam rock tribute would be complete without...
Mott the Hoople - All the young dudes
T-Rex - pretty much anything
I second the first.
Bruce Dickinson did a pretty good cover of that song on one of his solo albums.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2012, 08:00:13 PM
no glam rock tribute would be complete without...
Mott the Hoople - All the young dudes
T-Rex - pretty much anything
I thought about T-Rex but some of their stuff, if you don't already know it, is not easy to learn.... but I agree on T-Rex even over Slade. Mott and the Hoople, not sure how much that is as known on this side of the pond. Maybe "All the Way from Memphis". You still hear that on occasion.
To clarify.... "All the Young Dudes" is an awesome song but I always attribute it to Bowie...
All music is derived from beating on logs.
Therefore, dress in animal skins and beat logs for your performance.
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 08:18:56 PM
All music is derived from beating on logs.
Therefore, dress in animal skins and beat logs for your performance.
But in what chord?
:sigh: thought i was clarifying things for navkat. Misunderstood what was going on. Anyway i liked your suggestions. Thanks.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 08:18:56 PM
All music is derived from beating on logs.
Therefore, dress in animal skins and beat logs for your performance.
But in what chord?
F# of course.... :evil:
Well, it depends if you're beating on logs in two-step or in 4/4.
BREAKBEAT.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 08:22:40 PM
:sigh: thought i was clarifying things for navkat. Misunderstood what was going on. Anyway i liked your suggestions. Thanks.
Oh dude, I was just being a smartass.... trying to get it back on track with my stupid humor!!!
No worries and good luck and if you don't do a Rocky Horror I will be really mad :neener: :p
B minor, of course
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
B minor, of course
Oh I have been pwnd! :lulz:
Nice one!!
Thing is, I as a primate enjoy the hell out of music. I understand that there is structure and math to it, but that does not add to my enjoyment of music, and when people discuss it, I kind of stand there looking lost, and wondering what happened to the conversation about the cultural roots of what drives the ideas in music today.
Now, if I was looking at some of Nigel's beads, I'd appreciate them...And I'd appreciate seeing the way they're made, because I DO understand a few things about kilns and calcining and shit. I wouldn't expect anyone who didn't have a background in that to appreciate or understand the conversation.
One time, a major, lieutenant, and I were in the tactical operations center on a field problem, and we started talking physics. This major was listening to the conversation, and was able to follow what we were saying. Then the lieutenant and I started to discuss the underlying math, and the major was suddenly at sea, and said something like "I am officially geeked out", and left the tent.
The lieutenant and I sort of stood there, embarassed, and then got back to work. The reason we were embarrassed was because we'd utterly left the major out of the conversation without thinking.
Now, let's try that again:
QuoteOne time, a field grade officer, an O1, and I were in the TOC on an exercise, and we started talking physics. This major was listening to the conversation, and was able to follow what we were saying. Then the shavetail and I started to discuss the underlying math, and the O4 was suddenly LLAMFed, and said something like "I am officially geeked out", and un-assed the AO.
Not sure if I'm getting my point across, here.
You are. We should be free to talk on both levels but also be prepared to translate humbly without "talking down" to those in the room who aren't schooled in the same areas.
Conversely, we should all feel comfortable asking questions and be willing to learn something without feeling inadequate because none of us are and we're all expert on something we'll end up teaching/sharing with someone else in the future.
No i gotcha. Its all good. No worries and i apologize for doing that. I thought i was making the post understandable enough for nonmusicians to follow what i was saying. Kinda hard to do that i guess though.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 08:43:57 PM
No i gotcha. Its all good. No worries and i apologize for doing that. I thought i was making the post understandable enough for nonmusicians to follow what i was saying. Kinda hard to do that i guess though.
:lol:
Yeah, I was babbling about work to Hat the other day, and I stopped when I saw him just sort of staring at me. I thought I'd explained it adequately, but he had no idea what I was talking about. I assumed that everyone knows at least the very basics of mechanical drive systems.
Listen to two IT geeks talk shop sometime. They're the worst about this sort of thing.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Thing is, I as a primate enjoy the hell out of music. I understand that there is structure and math to it, but that does not add to my enjoyment of music, and when people discuss it, I kind of stand there looking lost, and wondering what happened to the conversation about the cultural roots of what drives the ideas in music today.
Now, if I was looking at some of Nigel's beads, I'd appreciate them...And I'd appreciate seeing the way they're made, because I DO understand a few things about kilns and calcining and shit. I wouldn't expect anyone who didn't have a background in that to appreciate or understand the conversation.
One time, a major, lieutenant, and I were in the tactical operations center on a field problem, and we started talking physics. This major was listening to the conversation, and was able to follow what we were saying. Then the lieutenant and I started to discuss the underlying math, and the major was suddenly at sea, and said something like "I am officially geeked out", and left the tent.
The lieutenant and I sort of stood there, embarassed, and then got back to work. The reason we were embarrassed was because we'd utterly left the major out of the conversation without thinking.
Now, let's try that again:
QuoteOne time, a field grade officer, an O1, and I were in the TOC on an exercise, and we started talking physics. This major was listening to the conversation, and was able to follow what we were saying. Then the shavetail and I started to discuss the underlying math, and the O4 was suddenly LLAMFed, and said something like "I am officially geeked out", and un-assed the AO.
Not sure if I'm getting my point across, here.
I was translating your civilian explanation into Army :horrormirth:
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Thing is, I as a primate enjoy the hell out of music. I understand that there is structure and math to it, but that does not add to my enjoyment of music, and when people discuss it, I kind of stand there looking lost, and wondering what happened to the conversation about the cultural roots of what drives the ideas in music today.
Now, if I was looking at some of Nigel's beads, I'd appreciate them...And I'd appreciate seeing the way they're made, because I DO understand a few things about kilns and calcining and shit. I wouldn't expect anyone who didn't have a background in that to appreciate or understand the conversation.
One time, a major, lieutenant, and I were in the tactical operations center on a field problem, and we started talking physics. This major was listening to the conversation, and was able to follow what we were saying. Then the lieutenant and I started to discuss the underlying math, and the major was suddenly at sea, and said something like "I am officially geeked out", and left the tent.
The lieutenant and I sort of stood there, embarassed, and then got back to work. The reason we were embarrassed was because we'd utterly left the major out of the conversation without thinking.
Now, let's try that again:
QuoteOne time, a field grade officer, an O1, and I were in the TOC on an exercise, and we started talking physics. This major was listening to the conversation, and was able to follow what we were saying. Then the shavetail and I started to discuss the underlying math, and the O4 was suddenly LLAMFed, and said something like "I am officially geeked out", and un-assed the AO.
Not sure if I'm getting my point across, here.
I was translating your civilian explanation into Army :horrormirth:
You can take the man out of the army, but you can't take the
army coffee out of the man.
Jargon is pretty much designed to create cliques, make specialists and exclude people. Sometimes it is necessary, to convey the greatest or most accurate amount of information in the best way possible...but rarely is it needed outside of that.
I always keep George Orwell's advice about writing in mind: simplify to the most basic level you can while still making an intelligible point or without distorting what you are trying to describe. This forces you to break down what you are trying to do as well, and helps you consider it in a more critical manner, which can be helpful in some situations.
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 10:24:55 PM
Jargon is pretty much designed to create cliques, make specialists and exclude people. Sometimes it is necessary, to convey the greatest or most accurate amount of information in the best way possible...but rarely is it needed outside of that.
I always keep George Orwell's advice about writing in mind: simplify to the most basic level you can while still making an intelligible point or without distorting what you are trying to describe. This forces you to break down what you are trying to do as well, and helps you consider it in a more critical manner, which can be helpful in some situations.
We should all aspire to this. We are, however, show-offs and creatures of (often bad) habit.
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 10:24:55 PM
Jargon is pretty much designed to create cliques, make specialists and exclude people. Sometimes it is necessary, to convey the greatest or most accurate amount of information in the best way possible...but rarely is it needed outside of that.
I always keep George Orwell's advice about writing in mind: simplify to the most basic level you can while still making an intelligible point or without distorting what you are trying to describe. This forces you to break down what you are trying to do as well, and helps you consider it in a more critical manner, which can be helpful in some situations.
Good point. Actually, it might be an interesting exercise. Sometimes you can become familiar enough with an idea that you don't really know how to explain it. You take the jargon word for granted.
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 10:24:55 PM
Jargon is pretty much designed to create cliques, make specialists and exclude people. Sometimes it is necessary, to convey the greatest or most accurate amount of information in the best way possible...but rarely is it needed outside of that.
I always keep George Orwell's advice about writing in mind: simplify to the most basic level you can while still making an intelligible point or without distorting what you are trying to describe. This forces you to break down what you are trying to do as well, and helps you consider it in a more critical manner, which can be helpful in some situations.
We should all aspire to this. We are, however, show-offs and creatures of (often bad) habit.
Probably bad habit on my part. I had no intent to show off, just to show how those different genres have similarities.
John Ralston Saul, in the book Voltaire's Bastards (a book every Discordian should read, incidentally) goes quite in depth into how jargon essentially empowers technocratic elements within modern society, who should not be anymore empowered as their technical skill is often facile (if not utterly incorrect) and their fundamental approach to rule is anti-democratic.
Orwell makes a somewhat similar point, actually.
Of course, this doesn't necessarily apply so much to music as it does to the social sciences, but it's the same basic idea at work.
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
Of course, this doesn't necessarily apply so much to music as it does to the social sciences, but it's the same basic idea at work.
I was just thinking to myself a minute ago, how would I go about describing the difference between say a major and a minor chord. The only way I would be able to is to say that the minor chord sounds sad, which is not always the case. It's how the chords are strung together. The only way I'd be able to is actually play A major and then A minor for the person.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
Of course, this doesn't necessarily apply so much to music as it does to the social sciences, but it's the same basic idea at work.
I was just thinking to myself a minute ago, how would I go about describing the difference between say a major and a minor chord. The only way I would be able to is to say that the minor chord sounds sad, which is not always the case. It's how the chords are strung together. The only way I'd be able to is actually play A major and then A minor for the person.
I had a teacher once who used the example of music from horror films. Most are in minor chords and have the jarring against the spine sound whereas majors are symphonies... :lulz: Very loose, but it got the point across.
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 10:53:16 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 16, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
Of course, this doesn't necessarily apply so much to music as it does to the social sciences, but it's the same basic idea at work.
I was just thinking to myself a minute ago, how would I go about describing the difference between say a major and a minor chord. The only way I would be able to is to say that the minor chord sounds sad, which is not always the case. It's how the chords are strung together. The only way I'd be able to is actually play A major and then A minor for the person.
I had a teacher once who used the example of music from horror films. Most are in minor chords and have the jarring against the spine sound whereas majors are symphonies... :lulz: Very loose, but it got the point across.
Yeah- if you have a lot of major chords together, it's like happy sounding, mixing major and minor gives you a bit of a sadder tone (House of the Rising Sun for example) and then all minor chords gives you either an eerie, evil, or despondent sort of sound.
I don't know why this thread pisses me off, but it does.
That said, T-Rex is ESSENTIAL if you want to get a handle on glam.
And fuck jazz. It has NOTHING to do with Rock 'n' Roll.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 17, 2012, 07:37:56 AM
I don't know why this thread pisses me off, but it does.
That said, T-Rex is ESSENTIAL if you want to get a handle on glam.
And fuck jazz. It has NOTHING to do with Rock 'n' Roll.
Funny enough, a few hours ago he mentioned that the sound that I should be going for is something like toggling between T-Rex on one hand and Souxsie and the Banshees on the other. He also made the suggestion that I make it sound like a train wreck, but I had a more difficult time figuring out what he meant by that.
Seems to me that crossing T-Rex with Siouxsie would pretty much sound like a train wreck by default.
In a good way.
:lol:
ive been hoping to work with this guy for some time. Hes an odd one, but that sort of odd that makes you like him instantly.
Daniel's show is truly befuddling. And truly AWESOME.
For glam, Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" album is good, especially "Five Years" and "Rock n Roll Suicide".
Of course, T Rex
Early Roxy Music.
The soundtrack for "Velvet Goldmine"
For Siouxsie, The albums Kaleidoscope, Juju, and A Kiss in the Dreamhouse should do you good.
Velvet goldmine- that was the one where oscar wilde was a gay alien and his jewelry made people famous yeah?
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 17, 2012, 05:34:08 PM
Velvet goldmine- that was the one where oscar wilde was a gay alien and his jewelry made people famous yeah?
Yup. Also, best gay love triangle ever: Christian Bale, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, and Ewen McGregor. RAWR.
I remember that movie making more sense with the second viewing. Coolness.
T-Rex is so fucking cool that The Who saw the need to tip their hats to them.
I only heard of them yesterday but i imagine its one of those deals that i heard them before i just didnt know who they were.
Unless you grew up in a cave, you've heard "Bang a Gong".
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 08:06:45 PM
T-Rex is so fucking cool that The Who saw the need to tip their hats to them.
T-Rex is so fucking cool that even my Dad liked them.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 17, 2012, 08:24:42 PM
Unless you grew up in a cave, you've heard "Bang a Gong".
I FUCKING LOVE THAT SONG!!!!
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:32:54 PM
Fair enough.
I get into arguments all the time about how much of House music is actually derived from The Blues as well. People can't put together how "Red House" (Hendrix) relates "Don't Leave Me This Way" (Thelma Houston) and how that takes you to a lot of the Classic House music of the late 80s - 90s with the soulful "Black Diva" vocals until I put it to them that way.
HUhhhhhhhh??
I mean it's not
entirely incorrect, but House in general got their inspiration from *everywhere*, which proves how it was new stuff, by reinterpreting the old stuff, which, afaik every "movement" has done in some way or another.
Just check Eat Static (I know you have :) ) they did everything! Not entirely sure if they actually did DnB before it got big, but their "timetraveller" theme on their albums is not entirely inaccurate.
See Love Truncheon, they even did Ricky Martin a decade before Ricky Martin did! (and they were so kind to leave out the vocals as well!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiXl5DFVBIM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:32:54 PM
Fair enough.
I get into arguments all the time about how much of House music is actually derived from The Blues as well. People can't put together how "Red House" (Hendrix) relates "Don't Leave Me This Way" (Thelma Houston) and how that takes you to a lot of the Classic House music of the late 80s - 90s with the soulful "Black Diva" vocals until I put it to them that way.
Hmm. Ok, I know this is shakey ground, but those "Black Diva" voices you hear are, for the large majority, influenced more by gospel than by blues. Especially Ms Thelma. You may want to rethink your thesis, and start with Aretha rather than Jimi.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 18, 2012, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:32:54 PM
Fair enough.
I get into arguments all the time about how much of House music is actually derived from The Blues as well. People can't put together how "Red House" (Hendrix) relates "Don't Leave Me This Way" (Thelma Houston) and how that takes you to a lot of the Classic House music of the late 80s - 90s with the soulful "Black Diva" vocals until I put it to them that way.
I said that. A bunch of posts back.
Hmm. Ok, I know this is shakey ground, but those "Black Diva" voices you hear are, for the large majority, influenced more by gospel than by blues. Especially Ms Thelma. You may want to rethink your thesis, and start with Aretha rather than Jimi.
Oh, I imagine that it's probably fair and also in my best interests to post some of his stuff. It's all music videos and songs that are on the set list.
I Want to Kiss Superman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKpHFExZWA0
Stigmata and Cookies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfC6eSBmBXw
Woman With Too Many Consonants in Her Name:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unX82cyNQP8
Modadicto (My favorite) Music begins around 1:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO3fvR3HUzM
I have a feeling I'm going to continuously screw this up until Friday.
Thank the gods that this show is on Saturday.