"I did not complain when they came for the jews, I did not complain when they came for the Slavs, I did not complain when they Came for the poles. But when they came for me there was nobody left to defend me."
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Well, the bastards did it. The rabid fundamentalists and sexually insecure closet homosexuals that pretend they know what they're doing up at the helm of this operation have finally outlawed gay marriage at a federal level. If it wasn't enough to bow over to the US in terms of letting it dictate Australian domestic policy and then allowing that to be encouraged through the new Free Trade agreement. The damn bastards would love to have us all wandering the streets with cricket bats and broken bottles looking for poofs, because obviously that's what sensible heterosexuals do.
Don't make me sick. Marriage is nothing more than an intrusion of the state into people's private affairs (speaking as someone about to be married I'm keenly aware of that) moreover the fact that so few people honour their vows these days you tend to get the feeling it's an institution about as sacred as "cloud nine escorts." We claim to be civilised yet we are still (on the whole) neophobes. We deride people who stand up for their beleifs and stamp on the people who would dare fly in the face of outdated conservativism and demand fair treatment.
Now, I'm not even gay, I'm not even bi. The overwhelming majority of the male population will not make me turn my head, but I'll be damned if I ever let the idea of ordinary people having sex have me campaigning to have their freedom to be recognised as a couple by the world taken away.
Ordinary people! that's right. They're not physically defective, mentally unblanced, unholy, unclean, dirty individuals. They're your co-workers, shop assistants, friends, relatives, siblings and public servants.
Homophobia is just another form of intolerance. No different to religious or racial intolerance. But it seems while it's not OK for governments in the western world to outlaw blacks or asians from getting married, it's AOK to do the same thing to gays.
But if we're intent on retaining our purity as the master race why haven't we done anything about it? Oh that's right! The Nazi's lost WWII. You could have fucking fooled me! What next? Brainwashing camps? Deprogramming centers and interventions? are we going to bring back the purple triangle? well excuse me for realising that unless I do something now there'll be nobody left to come to my aid when they come for the discordians.
All rights are wrongs. We rest under the thumb of an entity with the peevishness of a 4 year-old with ADD that has yet to realise it holds our fates and lives in it's hands. We have the right to free speech, but for how long? We have the right to practice whatever faith we wish, but for how long? How long before we reach a state of total social equilibrium? The mental equivalent of heat-death, nothing ever changes, nothing new is ever created. There we will be, existing in circles, defining ourselves as people who exist to define ourselves. Every right is a wrong. Rights are the things we refuse to give away to dictators in disguise. An oddly anarchic sentiment, but it's true. I don't believe in rights, I can do what I want to do and deal with the consequnces. Right now I'd like to send a letter to the PM telling him that if he's going to outlaw gay marriage then he should also be repressing every other minority as well.
what? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.
Quote from: Hotsumawhat? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/04/1091557919497.html?oneclick=true
respectable enough for you?
Quote from: John 'Pleasantville' Howard"In putting it into law in the next two weeks nobody can say it's being used as a wedge, nobody can say it's a diversion, everybody can say it's a united expression of the national parliament and therefore of the will of the Australian people."
Didn't ask me you assclown!
and as long as we're on the subject since when has the majority will of this country ever had anything to do with what goes on in parliament? I don't see referrendums popping up every time the governments wants to raise the price of milk! Nobody ever asked me what I thought when we puckered up to america's ass and signed on to be slowly assimilated, culturally by Maddison Avenue and the OC.
The will of the people is a myth handed down by spin-doctors and bullshit merchants. we're spoon fed a truth and the simplest of all simple-minded simpletonic sentiments are selected as the lowest commmon denominator! The most-basic and irrational responses are peddled as snake-oil while our lives are stolen under our noses. The blanket assumption that any governmental agency fucntions as the will of the people which it
serves, is exactly the same as saying that because we are who we are, whatever we do is right.
God never justified nor sealed anyone...
James Bond has no license to kill...
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: Hotsumawhat? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/04/1091557919497.html?oneclick=true
respectable enough for you?
I get no article.
Quote from: HotsumaQuote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: Hotsumawhat? when? I desire immediete proof from a respectible news source.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/04/1091557919497.html?oneclick=true
respectable enough for you?
I get no article.
Click on the link that says continue on without registering.
Or click here Australia bans gay marriage (http://news.google.com/news?q=australia%20gay%20marriage%20law%20ban&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wn)
Quote from: John Howard"In putting it into law in the next two weeks nobody can say it's being used as a wedge, nobody can say it's a diversion, everybody can say it's a united expression of the national parliament and therefore of the will of the Australian people."
This statement should be posted in the "pure logic" thread. One of the myths of representative democracy is that the legislature represents the "will of the people." The legislature is just something easier to purchase than the whole of the people.
Looks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
Yeah, and I just heard that the thousands of gay marriages performed in San Francisco this year have been overturned by the courts. I figured it was coming, but still, it makes me angry.
the revolution will not be televised
should the ammendment get passed, I hope that there are mas numbers of gay riots in various large citys throughout the country. just so our government repeals the bloody amendment.
Quote from: Hotsumashould the ammendment get passed, I hope that there are mas numbers of gay riots in various large citys throughout the country. just so our government repeals the bloody amendment.
As much fun as riots are, that would just give the conservatives more ammo and could lead to nastier laws restricting Homosexuality. But, since nothing else could really work, riots HO!
when worse laws come out, more riots happen. eventually, new york gts burned to the ground by angry homosexuals, the government makes it worse. then the gay army steals several nuclear silos and launches them at every country on the planet. causing a global depression and the human race goes extinct because of the nuclear fallout
see what'll happen if the ammendment passes?
Quote from: Hotsumawhen worse laws come out, more riots happen. eventually, new york gts burned to the ground by angry homosexuals, the government makes it worse. then the gay army steals several nuclear silos and launches them at every country on the planet. causing a global depression and the human race goes extinct because of the nuclear fallout
see what'll happen if the ammendment passes?
i guess it's trather unfortunate then that the ammendnment was already defeated on its first dfate with congress.
Ahh.
Gotta love being up here in Canada.
You guys ought to drop by. Right now our Liberal government only has a minority, so the and third, fourth parties get a say (yes, 4 main political parties, and it used to be 5, and this is ignoring the green party), which means the good old NDP (almost a socialist party) get's a nice big say in what's happening.
Oh, and gay marriage is legal, and marijuana is almost legal. We're almost Holland.
Ahh, life is good.
Quote from: CannedLizardAhh.
Gotta love being up here in Canada.
You guys ought to drop by. Right now our Liberal government only has a minority, so the and third, fourth parties get a say (yes, 4 main political parties, and it used to be 5, and this is ignoring the green party), which means the good old NDP (almost a socialist party) get's a nice big say in what's happening.
Oh, and gay marriage is legal, and marijuana is almost legal. We're almost Holland.
Ahh, life is good.
if ndp's 4 or 5 seats can be called a say. tho that's good they're idiots anyway. there was acommunist aprty candidate on my area's ballot, btu i decided to "make my vote count" by voting for the conservatives, despite beign in conservative country(alberta). made me feel dirty, but hey, at least i coudl btich that we didnt get rid of those bastard liberals. fuckers.
marijuana has been next to legal for years, depending on who is arresting/pullign you over and yoru area, but i doubt the legal aspect of it will go further now that the liberals are minority.
personally i want to legislation for same sex, heterosexual life partners. that sort of union is no less true than anyone else's and certainyl doesn't break any religious dogmas.
Quote from: Hotsumawhen worse laws come out, more riots happen. eventually, new york gts burned to the ground by angry homosexuals, the government makes it worse. then the gay army steals several nuclear silos and launches them at every country on the planet. causing a global depression and the human race goes extinct because of the nuclear fallout
see what'll happen if the ammendment passes?
*pictures the Fab 5 in commando outfits by Ralph Lauren*
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: Hotsumawhen worse laws come out, more riots happen. eventually, new york gts burned to the ground by angry homosexuals, the government makes it worse. then the gay army steals several nuclear silos and launches them at every country on the planet. causing a global depression and the human race goes extinct because of the nuclear fallout
see what'll happen if the ammendment passes?
*pictures the Fab 5 in commando outfits by Ralph Lauren*
Huh? The original Power Rangers?
Ami Jo Johnson was cute. She's like 40 now.
Quote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
Quote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
which was my arguement for why life is a game in my philosophy presentation paper today...
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
which was my arguement for why life is a game in my philosophy presentation paper today...
My arguement for Life being a Game is that myself, along with people like Great Teacher Largo, Josh, and others, seem to be able to locate Spawn Points, Save Game Stations, and really have a hard time using the interface to interact with NPCs and other PCs.
Quote from: Compositus ConfusioQuote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
which was my arguement for why life is a game in my philosophy presentation paper today...
My arguement for Life being a Game is that myself, along with people like Great Teacher Largo, Josh, and others, seem to be able to locate Spawn Points, Save Game Stations, and really have a hard time using the interface to interact with NPCs and other PCs.
well I can edit the source :P :P :P
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: Compositus ConfusioQuote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
which was my arguement for why life is a game in my philosophy presentation paper today...
My arguement for Life being a Game is that myself, along with people like Great Teacher Largo, Josh, and others, seem to be able to locate Spawn Points, Save Game Stations, and really have a hard time using the interface to interact with NPCs and other PCs.
well I can edit the source :P :P :P
Wow. That must be really wierd to do, what with all the different revisions that are going on pretty much constantly. I all really have is my Bracelet. But then again, that's enough.
stat whoring is fun and easy
why the hell do yall call it munchkinism?
Quote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
then what is the complaint on governments opposeing gay marriage?!?!? weird.
Government ? Oh, don't mind them. They live in a collective hallucination. They're mostly harmless.
Well, except when one of them comes to my house and demands money or everything in the house and I have to wack him on the head with a shovel.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaLooks like the Government is taking over your country too Trollax. Super suck. As far as I know the stupid No Gay Marriage ammendment hasn't gotten very far here, but it's probably only a matter of time.
But fear not, those of we ordained by Universal Life Church can perform legally binding wedding's, and I imagine most of us don't give a shit aboutthe gender of the two parties. Of course the government can refuse to recognize the ceremonies we perform, but we can still perform them dammit!
yes we can perform leagaly binding weddings... we can also perform non-legaly binding ones as well... and you know I really don't care what the genders of the people involved in the services are ... but just because I wed two members of the same gender together does not make it legaly binding.
Nothing is legally binding (except for tieing your partner up in subpeonas and contracts for weird sex). The Law doesn't exist except in your MIND, so if your marriage is legally binding IN YOUR MIND, then the government can fuck off. They don't hold a monopoly on LAW.
then what is the complaint on governments opposeing gay marriage?!?!? weird.
opposing one state of mind against another. One which they find more desirable and easier to manipulate...
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDopposing one state of mind against another. One which they find more desirable and easier to manipulate...
so what is the problem with me stateing how the situation actually is with in the framework of the situation that is being complained about?!?!?
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: St. Trollax, ODDopposing one state of mind against another. One which they find more desirable and easier to manipulate...
so what is the problem with me stateing how the situation actually is with in the framework of the situation that is being complained about?!?!?
the fact that they have a monopoly on deadly force and are afraid we'd try and dominate their lives with our beliefs (just like they do to us) if the field was level and fair.