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Principia Discordia => Bring and Brag => Topic started by: cyberus on April 27, 2007, 08:44:31 AM

Title: Old Rhymes
Post by: cyberus on April 27, 2007, 08:44:31 AM
http://www.purevolume.com/moefogey

Ok, so, they're not really my rhymes, it's a Dead Kennedy's cover.  I did do the beats though.  Fruityloops in case you're wondering.  I've been meaning to either cover some more punk stuff, or start working on my own rhymes, but apathy got ahold of me.  Plus, I can never make any beats I actually like.  Just thought I'd throw it up here for some feedback.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LHX on April 27, 2007, 01:49:55 PM
i will check this in a minute
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LHX on April 28, 2007, 12:42:12 AM
youre almost on to something with the beats

i can tell that there is some effort there but its missing some element

maybe some soul


stick wiff it
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: cyberus on April 28, 2007, 02:59:30 AM
Thanks, LHX.  It started out as something fun to do, and I never really planned to continue it.
(not that I've done anything recently)

But when it was finished, I got that same feeling, it was Almost something.  I want to do more, but I feel like a monkey who got lucky with a typewriter, it seems like anything I do now just sounds awful.

I keep trying.

Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 28, 2007, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: cyberus on April 28, 2007, 02:59:30 AM

But when it was finished, I got that same feeling, it was Almost something.  I want to do more, but I feel like a monkey who got lucky with a typewriter, it seems like anything I do now just sounds awful.


:lulz: Sounds like you're the same kinda musician as me
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on April 29, 2007, 11:04:19 PM
Some suggestions:

Replace the 909 kicks/crashes/toms/everything with the 808 equivalents thereof. You'll get a way more electronic, tinny sound that won't sound like you're faking organic sounds. (If that didn't make any sense, I'm referencing the fact that you're current drum sounds sound like they were sampled from a Roland TR909 drum machine, and I suggest using samples of a Roland TR808 drum machine instead. If you don't have samples of either, PM me and I'll send you mine.)

Needs a synth, if only to play the occasional note (with lots of reverb thrown on for good measure.) I suggest using some Moog or Arppe samples to get that analog goodness.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 03, 2007, 01:20:27 PM
for a kickass 808 and 909 synthesizer/emulator, get Rebirth. i think it's free. and otherwise it's on torrent.

it also features a 303 (acid bassline 18db lowpass resonance filtered square waves FOR THE MOTHERFUCKIN WIN)

only downside to it is that it also emulates the interface of those synths :) which is not too bad with the 808 and 909, but for the 303 it can be hell :) but it'll give you that authentic feel, you know :-P
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 03, 2007, 01:36:03 PM
It looks like ReBirth is only available for OS9.  Do you know if it works on OSX?
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 03, 2007, 02:09:19 PM
i only used it under windows, myself.

but afaik, OSX can run OS9 programs or not? only with reduced performance or something.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 03, 2007, 02:16:19 PM
Not always.  Some older versions have a "classic" function that runs OS9.  Mine is not one of those.


I used to have Reason.  It was awesome.  I wish I could afford a new copy.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: cyberus on May 03, 2007, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: triple zero on May 03, 2007, 01:20:27 PM
for a kickass 808 and 909 synthesizer/emulator, get Rebirth. i think it's free. and otherwise it's on torrent.

it also features a 303 (acid bassline 18db lowpass resonance filtered square waves FOR THE MOTHERFUCKIN WIN)

only downside to it is that it also emulates the interface of those synths :) which is not too bad with the 808 and 909, but for the 303 it can be hell :) but it'll give you that authentic feel, you know :-P

I used to have rebirth, and yes, that's what pissed me off about it.  I don't have any noise apps installed atm, and considering I have 478mb of free space on my HD, I won't for awhile.

Quote from: LMNO on May 03, 2007, 02:16:19 PMI used to have Reason.  It was awesome.  I wish I could afford a new copy.

I've seen it on some torrent sites.  I d/led it awhile ago, but never got around to installing it.  Probably gone now.  Everything is, and I still have no disk space.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on May 03, 2007, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: triple zero on May 03, 2007, 01:20:27 PM
it also features a 303 (acid bassline 18db lowpass resonance filtered square waves FOR THE MOTHERFUCKIN WIN)

acid lead 24db lowpass resonance filtered extremely distorted saw waves with extremely fast cutoff modulation for REAL ULTIMATE POWER! (extra points for distorted 909 kick.)

Quote from: triple zero on May 03, 2007, 01:20:27 PM
only downside to it is that it also emulates the interface of those synths :) which is not too bad with the 808 and 909, but for the 303 it can be hell :) but it'll give you that authentic feel, you know :-P

Needs an instruction manual entirely in Japanese for real authenticity.   :D
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 03, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
sorry but the 18db authentic 303 filter pwns the sound of the newer 24db filters, imo. you can hear the difference, it's not the same. the 24db has a steeper cutoff, more sharp resonance, so the resonant frequency becomes a "tune" of some sort by itself.
it's the fact that you can hear those two "tunes" simulaneously, that draws me to acid.

we're never going to agree on electronic music, are we ;-)
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on May 04, 2007, 01:51:57 AM
Quote from: triple zero on May 03, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
sorry but the 18db authentic 303 filter pwns the sound of the newer 24db filters, imo. you can hear the difference, it's not the same. the 24db has a steeper cutoff, more sharp resonance, so the resonant frequency becomes a "tune" of some sort by itself.
it's the fact that you can hear those two "tunes" simulaneously, that draws me to acid.

we're never going to agree on electronic music, are we ;-)

NEEDS MOAR SUPERSAW + SNARE RUSHES!!! TIESTO IS LIEK A GAWD!!!!

(I do love the original, fat, warm 303 sounds, but it's the modded/emulated ones that are always cooler to me. Maybe it's that I wasn't around for the days of analog circuitry...ya geezer  :wink:)
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 04, 2007, 10:19:41 AM
i wasn't there either (i'm 26), but i try to know my classics :)

also i tried building a software 303 emulator/synth once. it was fun. it was also not part of the assignment i was supposed to do, so i didn't finish it :) so i kinda have a soft spot for it's "tweaks" :)

there was a great website that told the "303 secrets" which i consulted a lot. that, and spectral analysis of Rebirth samples. with the resonance turned up you can easily see the shape of the filter envelopes.

bonus track (http://www.kloden.no/download.php?file=a927a3d7994b19b8224792188fe52023)
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 04, 2007, 01:41:36 PM
This thread needs more
(http://www.analoguehaven.com/electroharmonix/bigmuffpi/bmbig.jpg)



LMNO
-analog pwns j00!
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 04, 2007, 01:53:27 PM
the original 303 was analog.

just sayin'

(http://www.infinity303.ch/images/Synthies/my303a.jpg)

:drool:
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 04, 2007, 01:58:17 PM
That thing is voltage controlled?



Cool.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 04, 2007, 02:02:25 PM
How in the hell does one use an instrument like that?

I've heard the shit that comes out of them and I'm, like, "WOW!" but I can't imagine playing it

Do you plug a keyboard into it or something?
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 04, 2007, 02:11:14 PM
From what I can tell, it's got an on-board looping sequencer.  As it loops, you can add more beats/sounds, and it will remember it, and loop it.  Quantized, as well, IIR.

At least, that's what I think happens.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 04, 2007, 02:16:24 PM
Damn - I've tried shit like that but it ends up annoying the hell out of me.

I'd love to be able to pull of that kinda shit too but I just don't have the patience for it.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 04, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
The structure of the sequencer directly affected the way dance music was written.  You can put that (fucking annoying) 4-on-the-floor kick, and let it go.  then you just add and subtract various clicks, pops, and keyboard lines until the E wears off.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 04, 2007, 02:23:19 PM
Yeah I can see that now. The dance music I tend to like (prodigy, fluke, chemical bros...etc) are the ones who seem to take it a step or two up from this.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 04, 2007, 02:26:48 PM
Yeah, newer technology and cheaper samplers let the breakbeat make a comeback.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 04, 2007, 02:45:40 PM
the 303 doesn't have a kick.

it's just makes the squeaky rubbery acid bassline. for the kick you need an 808 or 909.

silly, you can download Rebirth and try it for yourself. the user-interface of that program is identical to the original synths (yes that means you have to drag your mouse to turn the knobs)

rebirth emulates two 303s, one 808 and one 909.

FYI, the 808 makes the beats more popular in retro-electro these days, while the 909 makes the beats that used to be so popular in 90s rave music.
try it, you'll feel a wave of some sort of nostalgia, because the drum sounds are so fucking recognizable.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on May 04, 2007, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 04, 2007, 02:11:14 PM
From what I can tell, it's got an on-board looping sequencer.  As it loops, you can add more beats/sounds, and it will remember it, and loop it.  Quantized, as well, IIR.

At least, that's what I think happens.

It's sequencer based, but not looping. You get one sound at a time, and it's controlled by sequencing out what notes are played at each 16th note.

If you'd like a decent fake of one, you can download ReBirth (as 000 pointed out) or you can put yourself on the waiting list for a x0xb0x, which the holy grail of 303 imitations, which is only 300 bucks (and a lot of waiting.)
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2007, 04:12:59 PM
It is confirmed:  ReBirth doesn't work on OSX.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Triple Zero on May 07, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
:-(
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 09, 2007, 02:24:58 PM
I hate to point out the obvious, but...

that's what you get for using a product pitched on TV by the annoying vaguely emo-kid-ish guy from "Waiting".
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: That One Guy on May 09, 2007, 02:29:42 PM
Rebirth was a fun little toy I played around with many years ago, just after I graduated. It was REALLY easy to make basic loops, and it was a good time to get stoned and try to make interesting techno beats, or recreate other beats.

As a recording tool it's kind of lacking, as a composition tool it's pretty limited. There's a BUNCH of stuff that works with OSX and ProTools that is MUCH more comprehensive (can't remember the name of the thing he uses atm ... stupid brain!) - my roommate has a bunch of stuff he runs on a MacBook. I'll have to ask him what he's running, and forward the info along.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 09, 2007, 02:32:43 PM
Only if it's free.


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Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on May 09, 2007, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 09, 2007, 02:32:43 PM
Only if it's free.

I'm not sure if it's available in Mac format, but KarmaFX is a brilliant freeware modular synth that gets some amazing 303 emulation sounds, with the ability to set the modulation for the cutoff/resonance for a more authentic acid sound. (Not very CPU friendly or for those that aren't willing to deal with the steep learning curve of modular or just modding presets.)
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Cramulus on May 09, 2007, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 09, 2007, 02:32:43 PM
Only if it's free.


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that guy went to my high school btw
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 10, 2007, 01:50:27 PM
is he really an emo-tard?
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Suu on May 10, 2007, 04:33:53 PM
He plays quite the flamer in The Breakup.


...btw, that movie sucks imo.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 10, 2007, 04:35:24 PM
Holy shit, yeah.


I hated my wife for making me watch it.

Hated her until it was revealed that she hated it, too.




Then we had sex.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 10, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 10, 2007, 04:33:53 PM
He plays quite the flamer in The Breakup.


...btw, that movie sucks imo.

You sound surprised?

I came to that conclusion upon hearing the title alone.


Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: Cramulus on May 10, 2007, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 10, 2007, 01:50:27 PM
is he really an emo-tard?

yeah. All the drama kids were.
Title: Re: Old Rhymes
Post by: LMNO on May 10, 2007, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 10, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 10, 2007, 04:33:53 PM
He plays quite the flamer in The Breakup.


...btw, that movie sucks imo.

You sound surprised?

I came to that conclusion upon hearing the title alone.


The one thing that I gave benefit of the doubt to was Vince Vaughn.

Wow, was he dissappointing.