A forgery is a deliberate attempt to mislead the public (readers, spectators, audience.) This notion is generally attributed to an art form and does not imply any deceitful wrong-doing.
In mass consciousness, it is widely held that the Stonehenge is genuinely ancient, supposedly as old as five thousand years. Meanwhile, the island exhibits the tallest megalith ever worked by man, which is the Rudston monolith estimated to be only three and a half thousand years old. Moreover, as lately as seventy years ago, the Stonehenge location was reached out by a railway spur that was subsequently dismantled by the landed proprietors of that time. Here you can view the photos illustrating the process of building this forgery up, as well as acquaint yourself with the list of main sources for would-be etchings of past ages and written testimonials:
(http://is3.soundragon.su/wp-content/uploads/mmm1.jpg) (https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com%2F64046.html&edit-text=)
Or, may it be that the Stonehenge is genuine? Was the ancient civilization of Britain actually capable of rolling over the heavy tonnage stone blocks, much like the military and railway vehicles of the past century?
Another feature of mass consciousness is the belief in authenticity of the so-called "crop circles". Aside from the fact that as lately as thirty years ago some ninety nine percents of photography and eyewitness accounts on them were coming exclusively from Britain itself, widely known today is the official web site belonging to the main group of creators of these images and allowing one to take a closer look at the technology of creating such circles:
(http://is3.soundragon.su/wp-content/uploads/mmm2.jpg) (http://www.circlemakers.org/new_documents.html)
Or, has at least part of the crop circles possibly not been produced by the British hoaxers? What forces, if not people, account for the crop circles' occurrence? Indeed, it is easier to give credit to aliens, along with mutant reptiloids, rather than rationally explain these patterns and acknowledge their authenticity.
Yet again, mass consciousness holds true to the idea of authenticity of a Christian relic known as the Shroud of Turin that is an ancient length of linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have long been unshaven. In past decades, some researchers even went as far as to claim this to be the result of Leonardo's first experiment with photography where he pictured himself. However, a research conducted independently by three laboratories has pretty exactly estimated that the cloth is only some seven hundred years old, so that the church itself has stopped claiming its authenticity (although, Roman Catholics, Eastern orthodox Christians and many Protestants acknowledged its authenticity as long as thirty years ago):
(http://is3.soundragon.su/wp-content/uploads/mmm3.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#Radiocarbon_dating)
Or, may the shroud be genuine? And, does it have the actual face of Christ printed on it? In this case, we are currently somewhere around the year 700, and not the year 2015 Anno Domini or the so called Common Era.
"M for mystification" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWZUG0-nn_Q) - the following work by Orson Welles is the last motion picture he screened some forty years ago. It documents the story of Elemér Albert Hoffmann (Elmyr de Hory) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmyr_de_Hory), one of the greatest art forger of all times.
ODD# III(a)/3,v;70Bcy3180
Some of that was most interesting and a few of the pics of Stonehenge quite compelling. SO MANY LARPERS OMG!
The shroud cannot be conclusively carbon dated. The reason is smoke damage and the microbes living on it for centuries, holy relic or not, have continuously deposited carbon. The sample amount allowed to be taken and from where was insufficient according to my reading on the subject. I could be wrong, but the authors of the books had credentials and were on one of the investigation teams that had physical access. Can't cite off the top of my head, read them maybe 8 yrs ago. Books were tossed out with a tragic number of other things in a sudden need move to a new place.
The image is an unbelievably intricate dot matrix under high magnification. The tiny fibrils on the fibers are individually oxidized. This is well beyond any hand work man is capable of without mechanical assistance and a super powerful microscope if an oxidizing agent of some sort is responsible. It had to be some sort of photonic or energetic reaction, IMO.
The extremely fine detail of anatomy on the shroud is authentic for a person scourged head to toe, crucified, and stabbed in the chest. This could be faked in another medium by a modern anatomy expert, but as I said above the medium and application method is a mystery.
Here's a question,
well two,
for you Ivan.
Ever considered that all perception and memory is a thin forgery of reality? Could it be that our experiences are merely derivatives from a much greater thing that we're also a part of that is meant to experience and alter it?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on March 22, 2015, 04:27:16 PMThe shroud cannot be conclusively carbon dated.
Some scholars doubt the reliability of radiocarbon analysis. Maybe radiocarbon analysis is the conspiracy of academics. But academics such researchers called creationists and pseudo-scientists (https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.univer.omsk.su%2Fforeign%2Ffom%2Fradij.htm&edit-text=).
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on March 22, 2015, 04:27:16 PMEver considered that all perception and memory is a thin forgery of reality?
Of course, it is.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on March 22, 2015, 04:27:16 PMCould it be that our experiences are merely derivatives from a much greater thing that we're also a part of that is meant to experience and alter it?
It could be.
But there is a deep-seated cultural stereotypes: they are built public education and ideology, their origin is artificial, descendants of the authors of such stereotypes become aristocracy.
Ivan we may just have some good conversation out of this, as time permits. Your answers and lucidity indicate to me that you are not trolling. But I'll not presume you're correct either.
Well given that my worldview requires none of those things to be true, I'd say "not much".
Also, there are historical accounts of Stonehenge going back to the 11th century, and it was subjected to substansial restoration work - not removal - from the 1890s to the 1950s.
Quote from: Prince-of-Plots on March 22, 2015, 09:00:19 PMAlso, there are historical accounts of Stonehenge going back to the 11th century, and it was subjected to substansial restoration work - not removal - from the 1890s to the 1950s.
Historical accounts easy to fake.
Look at these pictures, the photos show clearly that before this "reconstruction" it was a wasteland (with no trace of the previous design):
(http://yap.ru/pics/pics_original/4/5/3/558354.jpg)
(http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1424193044/e5fbd70d/7817412.jpg)
(http://yap.ru/pics/pics_original/3/6/3/558363.jpg)
3. Currently the Ministry of Defence owns 390 sq km (!) in the vicinity of Stonehenge, some of which are closed permanently, to other access is severely limited. (Wikimapia boundary of the nearest military base - a mile from these stones to the North, and the military runway - 5 km on Southeast).
4. In the past, in the vicinity of Stonehenge were conducted by the railway and the airport, both were subsequently removed (there are other sources that the military airfield was located much closer, at a distance of just one mile from Stonehenge)This link (https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com%2F64046.html&edit-text=) is explained in detail version of how the building turned into a "reconstruction". Unfortunately only in Russian.
To the first line of the OP, I'm fairly sure that forgery oes imply eceitful wrongoing. Is forgery not an attempt to pass off an imitation as the real eal for personal gain? As oppose to an almost flawless replica of a painting which you then sign your own name on, to clearly state that it is not the original.
Forgery is a means to eceive others for profit. The secon example might just be for a 'heh, I can o that too, but I recognise who i it first.'
Quote from: Sung Low on March 22, 2015, 10:21:35 PMIs forgery not an attempt to pass off an imitation as the real eal for personal gain?
Not for only personal gain. But also for national and ideological.
Okay.
Lets say that Stonehenge was, in fact, made completely brand new in the 1890s-1900s. That might be a little disappointing on some level but it would not actually challenge my worldview much at all. A large amount of British national identity and history is basically made up wholecloth. It definitely wouldn't change how I think of my government or my country at all.
Now, the convincing evidence that seems to indicate a deep-rooted set of individuals engaging in child abuse at the heart of government, and the complicity of the national security agencies in covering that up? The fact it seems to have been an 'open secret' amongst the tory cabinet of the 1980s. That fucking Jimmy Saville, beloved children's entertainer and national treasure, was in fact some sort of horrifying paedophile rapist gangster?
These are things which actually surprised me and shocked my worldview when they were revealed. Who gives a shit about a pile of rocks when the rotten core of our very way of life has been so gruesomely exposed? We British were supposed to be better than that. Decency and respectability were supposed to be important to us, especially in our public servants.
So, no. You're looking for your 'forgeries' in the wrong places. The lies that form the basis of our society are much bigger ones than 'Stonehenge was made by ancient people'.
They are lies like:
"All are equal before the eyes of the law."
"If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear."
"It wouldn't happen over here."
QuoteWe British were supposed to be better than that. Decency and respectability were supposed to be important to us, especially in our public servants.
HA HA HA HA HA HA
This is wandering into conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor would indicate that thousands of accounts of Stonehenge over the last dozen centuries or so are more easily explained by being legitimate than by being incredibly sneaky fakes. In addition, there would have to be a large construction crew, none of whom would ever get drunk and blab.
Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge_replicas_and_derivatives
Also,
The crane in your pic was built between 1965 and 1992.
Stonehenge was constructed in 1953 in fact in an effort to cover up an minor imbalance in the earth's distribution of mass which if investigated would have revealed that the moon is a hologram.
Think about it.
OH GOD, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC KNEW ABOUT IT ALL ALONG.
http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/archaeology/photos/stonehenge#/stonehenge-crane_24769_600x450.jpg
http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/archaeology/photos/stonehenge#/stonehenge-restoration_24768_600x450.jpg
Quote from: Pæs on March 23, 2015, 09:10:40 PM
Stonehenge was constructed in 1953 in fact in an effort to cover up an minor imbalance in the earth's distribution of mass which if investigated would have revealed that the moon is a hologram.
Think about it.
Yes we accidentally broke the original stonehenge while restoring it, Jesus get off our backs the one we put in looks practically the same.
And yes we accidentally blew up the moon. Jesus get off our back it was barely used by a dozen or so people anyway.
Illuminati™ Spokesperson,
Faust
Quote from: Demolition Squid on March 23, 2015, 08:39:04 AM
Okay.
Lets say that Stonehenge was, in fact, made completely brand new in the 1890s-1900s. That might be a little disappointing on some level but it would not actually challenge my worldview much at all. A large amount of British national identity and history is basically made up wholecloth. It definitely wouldn't change how I think of my government or my country at all.
Now, the convincing evidence that seems to indicate a deep-rooted set of individuals engaging in child abuse at the heart of government, and the complicity of the national security agencies in covering that up? The fact it seems to have been an 'open secret' amongst the tory cabinet of the 1980s. That fucking Jimmy Saville, beloved children's entertainer and national treasure, was in fact some sort of horrifying paedophile rapist gangster?
These are things which actually surprised me and shocked my worldview when they were revealed. Who gives a shit about a pile of rocks when the rotten core of our very way of life has been so gruesomely exposed? We British were supposed to be better than that. Decency and respectability were supposed to be important to us, especially in our public servants.
So, no. You're looking for your 'forgeries' in the wrong places. The lies that form the basis of our society are much bigger ones than 'Stonehenge was made by ancient people'.
They are lies like:
"All are equal before the eyes of the law."
"If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear."
"It wouldn't happen over here."
Well said!
I was hoping I could come up with a similar quote-lie, but my memory failed me so instead you get a Sage Francis lyric.
"our God is bigger, stronger, smarter and much wealthier
So wave those flags with pride, especially the white part"Others will have to pick up my slack.
Quote from: Faust on March 23, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 23, 2015, 09:10:40 PM
Stonehenge was constructed in 1953 in fact in an effort to cover up an minor imbalance in the earth's distribution of mass which if investigated would have revealed that the moon is a hologram.
Think about it.
Yes we accidentally broke the original stonehenge while restoring it, Jesus get off our backs the one we put in looks practically the same.
And yes we accidentally blew up the moon. Jesus get off our back it was barely used by a dozen or so people anyway.
Illuminati™ Spokesperson,
Faust
:lulz:
I KNEW YOU GUYZ WERE USING A FALSE MOON!!
Look, Ivan, the chances of you being right about the henge approach nil.
Radiocarbon dating is a fine and effective science, but is not suitable to certain situations and the shroud is in such a situation. It's not a forgery, may not be THE LORD, but is a genuine anomaly.
Come sit at the table and feed yourself something good for your brain. Seems to me that you're on a steady diet of paranoia and CT.
This can make you sick, trust me.
What's the CT in this context?
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 24, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
What's the CT in this context?
That ancient monuments are fake.
The WHY isn't explained.
Quote from: Faust on March 23, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
Yes we accidentally broke the original stonehenge while restoring it, Jesus get off our backs the one we put in looks practically the same.
And yes we accidentally blew up the moon. Jesus get off our back it was barely used by a dozen or so people anyway.
No pleasing some people.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 24, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
What's the CT in this context?
That ancient monuments are fake.
The WHY isn't explained.
I wasn't getting what CT stood for. It's conspiracy theory. I'm an idiot.
No, it's Connecticut. Where the secret Illuminati stronghold is. At Yale. In the library. Pull the third book from the left in isle 23-z.
Although the Illuminati center of operations, it should be noted, is in Wisconsin:
(http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/a/v/5301407977.jpg)
My worldview is 100% based on forgeries.
Because I cannot observe the entire world simultaneously, my "view" of it is necessarily constructed of facsimiles and impressions that exist only in my mind, and are largely informed by images and narratives that have been presented to me.
Cainad,
LOLpedantryLOL
Quote from: Prince-of-Plots on March 24, 2015, 11:05:46 AM
Although the Illuminati center of operations, it should be noted, is in Wisconsin:
(http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/a/v/5301407977.jpg)
The cows are not what they seem! :eek:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brlQuf2fXn8
That a miracle/wonder may be a forgery/fabrication currently underwrites substantial US PSYOPS spending. And, in case anyone's listening, yes, we did resolve an image for the Invisible Man Problem.
Quote from: LuciferX on March 26, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
That a miracle/wonder may be a forgery/fabrication currently underwrites substantial US PSYOPS spending. And, in case anyone's listening, yes, we did resolve an image for the Invisible Man Problem.
What Invisible Man Problem? I don't see any Invisible Man.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on March 24, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
My worldview is 100% based on forgeries.
Because I cannot observe the entire world simultaneously, my "view" of it is necessarily constructed of facsimiles and impressions that exist only in my mind, and are largely informed by images and narratives that have been presented to me.
Cainad,
LOLpedantryLOL
My worldview is based on watching monkeys drive a planet around the sun. Badly.
This is why I hate humans.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2015, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on March 24, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
My worldview is 100% based on forgeries.
Because I cannot observe the entire world simultaneously, my "view" of it is necessarily constructed of facsimiles and impressions that exist only in my mind, and are largely informed by images and narratives that have been presented to me.
Cainad,
LOLpedantryLOL
My worldview is based on watching monkeys drive a planet around the sun. Badly.
This is why I hate humans.
I hear staring at that sun can hurt one's eyes.
I also hear that staring at the monkeys can invert one's spleen and cause one to accidentally all over the floor.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on March 27, 2015, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on March 26, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
That a miracle/wonder may be a forgery/fabrication currently underwrites substantial US PSYOPS spending. And, in case anyone's listening, yes, we did resolve an image for the Invisible Man Problem.
What Invisible Man Problem? I don't see any Invisible Man.
which is why we need to divert all funding to Project Masriel, it's our only hope for securing thought-freedom in the middle-east.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 24, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
What's the CT in this context?
That ancient monuments are fake.
The WHY isn't explained.
Because when powerful governments engage in national, massively expensive deceit and coverups, it's usually to make a pile of rocks for reasons that aren't really clear.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 06:32:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 24, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
What's the CT in this context?
That ancient monuments are fake.
The WHY isn't explained.
Because when powerful governments engage in national, massively expensive deceit and coverups, it's usually to make a pile of rocks for reasons that aren't really clear.
:lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2015, 12:46:45 AMThat ancient monuments are fake.
The WHY isn't explained.
All right. Antiquity is a hoax. (https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2F74lada.livejournal.com%2F43193.html&edit-text=)
Ancience was fabricated about 150 years ago:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aq-8MWN5kvQ/UV8mOU6mpSI/AAAAAAAABDo/2T5PhLjrQIs/s1600/tailleurs_de_pierre_facade_reichstag_1890.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jVTvLlosmA0/UV8xK_qE2mI/AAAAAAAABGY/tMQBnMCdzBY/s1600/sculpteurs_de_pierre_1943_1.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PF2UNE94yZ4/UV84MyXKfkI/AAAAAAAABGg/y8qAWBs53zQ/s1600/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA+0.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9cCV10Ai9bY/UV8sZbxDHKI/AAAAAAAABEo/AF8WUmBympE/s1600/carriers_de_bath.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FfRqr1Njy8I/UV8uZXDYOII/AAAAAAAABEw/k4OHc_0O7eU/s1600/bedford_carriere.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hk4sAIsgNWQ/UV8k8Bu8RII/AAAAAAAABDQ/fkixj4Qsmbg/s1600/carriere_easton_portland_stone_firms_1930.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oT4iSjJ3PzQ/UWE8FQq3pZI/AAAAAAAABIA/vW4AqvaCvs8/s1600/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C+%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8+2.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZBflZJYoKaw/UV8j8U_oR0I/AAAAAAAABDA/oietR9ptmfM/s1600/expedition_de__colonnes_de_10_m_bedford.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZsQSQYa4c0s/UV8jo2ny4RI/AAAAAAAABC4/ZS1ULwX8v3Y/s1600/tournage_colonne_pierre_1920s_harold_clupper.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RilGWRk18VI/UV8jcCwIbCI/AAAAAAAABCw/G3yVD4fDVio/s1600/colonne_marbre_cour_supreme_usa_1935.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nHP_cfdDINA/UV8ok7UoDCI/AAAAAAAABEI/ecY04DFebZ8/s1600/Bedford_Indiana.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MeQBf_EcwL4/UV8qpiEai8I/AAAAAAAABEg/Ay_k0XnDFvg/s1600/carriers_belges_au_passe_partout_1930.jpg)
etc... (https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2F74lada.livejournal.com%2F43193.html&edit-text=)
Because historical reconstruction isn't a process that anyone does, studies, or would make photographic records of. Obviously.
I.... I.... I don't care!
Stonehenge was in fact a druidic prayer circle, but not in the way that most of us think. The druids were hired as contractors to build an inn for weary travelers, but once they were paid they spent it all on masonry and erected a huge useless rock formation.
They've been running the same scam for thousands of years. We just had a CVS in town open up inside of a druidic prayer circle of rock slabs because the franchise owner hired Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction to build it.
How do you run a pharmacy out of hewn stone? There's almost no storage space and the Dunkin Donuts can see you fill your herpes medications.
Fuck druids.
On a more practical level, though I am tired of knocking on my neighbors' doors to borrow a cup of sugar and having the entire facade collapse. Every fucking house in the city if a forgery, cleverly painted perspective pieces on cheap plywood.
My city is fallen Hollywood set pieces and druid prayer circles and I can't get any fucking sugar.
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Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 05:01:22 AM
Day 1 in Kota Kinabalu:
Hotel
(http://s25.postimg.org/5kxuzi9i7/2015_03_20_12_08_20.jpg)
Patriotism
(http://s25.postimg.org/n60dom55r/2015_03_20_17_37_15.jpg)
Filipino district
(http://s25.postimg.org/nzczh8b6n/2015_03_20_17_42_59.jpg)
Slums immediately adjacent to luxury hotels and malls
(http://s25.postimg.org/me2b35qcf/2015_03_21_08_32_45.jpg)
(http://s25.postimg.org/6d54cg333/2015_03_21_08_32_42.jpg)
Self-explanatory
(http://s25.postimg.org/6v4v61i1r/2015_03_21_08_43_55.jpg)
ad 539 i WAS SORT OF THINKING
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 06:32:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 24, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
What's the CT in this context?
That ancient monuments are fake.
The WHY isn't explained.
Because when powerful governments engage in national, massively expensive deceit and coverups, it's usually to make a pile of rocks for reasons that aren't really clear.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
Stonehenge was in fact a druidic prayer circle, but not in the way that most of us think. The druids were hired as contractors to build an inn for weary travelers, but once they were paid they spent it all on masonry and erected a huge useless rock formation.
They've been running the same scam for thousands of years. We just had a CVS in town open up inside of a druidic prayer circle of rock slabs because the franchise owner hired Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction to build it.
How do you run a pharmacy out of hewn stone? There's almost no storage space and the Dunkin Donuts can see you fill your herpes medications.
Fuck druids.
:lulz:
OK, so every government in the world, as well as all of the universities, are collaborating on a massive hoax to convince the public that human beings figured out how to build stuff a couple of thousand years earlier than they actually learned to build stuff.
What's in it for them?
Bitches and bling.
:lulz:
The plot thickens... maybe we still can't build stuff. It's all a forgery!
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:17:20 PMOK, so every government in the world, as well as all of the universities, are collaborating on a massive hoax to convince the public that human beings figured out how to build stuff a couple of thousand years earlier than they actually learned to build stuff.
What's in it for them?
History is written by the winners. This was done to destroy the traces of the previous non-christian civilization. Inheritance is divided between european national groups. Change of elites, a palace coup, but on a global scale. Deep history provides a claim for possession. Maybe.
Or maybe just for fun.
Quote from: ivan on March 31, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:17:20 PMOK, so every government in the world, as well as all of the universities, are collaborating on a massive hoax to convince the public that human beings figured out how to build stuff a couple of thousand years earlier than they actually learned to build stuff.
What's in it for them?
History is written by the winners. This was done to destroy the traces of the previous non-christian civilization. Inheritance is divided between european national groups. Change of elites, a palace coup, but on a global scale. Deep history provides a claim for possession. Maybe.
Or maybe just for fun.
So wait. Christians built monolithic pre-Christian monuments to eradicate traces of pre-Christianity?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 31, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: ivan on March 31, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:17:20 PMOK, so every government in the world, as well as all of the universities, are collaborating on a massive hoax to convince the public that human beings figured out how to build stuff a couple of thousand years earlier than they actually learned to build stuff.
What's in it for them?
History is written by the winners. This was done to destroy the traces of the previous non-christian civilization. Inheritance is divided between european national groups. Change of elites, a palace coup, but on a global scale. Deep history provides a claim for possession. Maybe.
Or maybe just for fun.
So wait. Christians built monolithic pre-Christian monuments to eradicate traces of pre-Christianity?
Finally, an explanation for all of those cave paintings of Jesus hunting woolly mammoths!
Christians very few have built in the past. More frequent replacement of the scenery under the dome:
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1427.jpg)
As Muslims:
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1417.jpg)
When not all restored, sometimes under the dome can be observed Muslim and Christian graffities:
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1432.jpg)
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1435.jpg)
Nineteenth-century artists paint the originals so:
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1419.jpg)
Here the Roman Christians did not fix it, because saw crosses:
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1397.jpg)
Also loved to answerbut pre-Christian monuments, leading to a moral norm:
(http://www.samisdat.com/picture/LJ/1544.jpg)
Here is the foundation of a Christian monastery...of the tombstones, with the surviving non-Christian writings:
(http://www.clumba.su/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/fundament-iz-nadgrobii.jpg)
In some eastern churches remained more vivid traces of sun worship:
(http://www.clumba.su/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/krest-jaroslavl.jpg)
...
Left too many traces. And only the last two centuries, when there was access to the resource and capital, major construction began for academic Antiquity-Middle ages-Renaissance, 2015 years linear history from the birth of Christ, with Judea, Rome and, accordingly, Greece across Europe, since Sumer and Babylon.
But in my opinion, the funniest and most controversial is ancient Egypt. Its history is based the Old Testament, the basis and the beginning of the Bible. But this is a separate issue.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
Stonehenge was in fact a druidic prayer circle, but not in the way that most of us think. The druids were hired as contractors to build an inn for weary travelers, but once they were paid they spent it all on masonry and erected a huge useless rock formation.
They've been running the same scam for thousands of years. We just had a CVS in town open up inside of a druidic prayer circle of rock slabs because the franchise owner hired Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction to build it.
How do you run a pharmacy out of hewn stone? There's almost no storage space and the Dunkin Donuts can see you fill your herpes medications.
Fuck druids.
Ah yes, CBC.
Type CBC into google and what's the first result you get? The Canadian Broadcast Corporation. Since when does Canada produce television? Obviously a front for Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction.
The CEO of this so-called CBC?
(http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/cbcrc/images/board-set-team/hubert-t-lacroix.png)
Hubert T. Lacroix.
H T L
How many rocks are there in Stonehenge? 93.
The year of the CBC's 'founding'? 1936
The year of Stoneghenge's reconstruction? 1954
1954+1936+93=3983
But wait. If the CBC is going to produce media in order to crystallize the paradigm beyond subversion what tool do they need?
Copyright law.
When was copyright law enacted?
The Statute of Anne. 1710
Number of people hanged in Britain that year? 63.
3983-1710-63=2210
But I hope you haven't forgotten this motherfucker:
(http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/cbcrc/images/board-set-team/hubert-t-lacroix.png)
Hubert T. Lacroix.
H T L
Add 2 to H and you get J
Take 2 from T and you get R
Take 10 from L and you get B
J R B
J. R. B
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Bobdobbs.png)
J. R. Bob Dobbs created stonehenge, with the help of Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction, which became the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation as part of an elaborate plot to
copyright all of history.HOW DID WE NOT SEE IT SOONER?
Quote from: Demolition Squid on March 31, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
Stonehenge was in fact a druidic prayer circle, but not in the way that most of us think. The druids were hired as contractors to build an inn for weary travelers, but once they were paid they spent it all on masonry and erected a huge useless rock formation.
They've been running the same scam for thousands of years. We just had a CVS in town open up inside of a druidic prayer circle of rock slabs because the franchise owner hired Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction to build it.
How do you run a pharmacy out of hewn stone? There's almost no storage space and the Dunkin Donuts can see you fill your herpes medications.
Fuck druids.
Ah yes, CBC.
Type CBC into google and what's the first result you get? The Canadian Broadcast Corporation. Since when does Canada produce television? Obviously a front for Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction.
The CEO of this so-called CBC?
(http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/cbcrc/images/board-set-team/hubert-t-lacroix.png)
Hubert T. Lacroix.
H T L
How many rocks are there in Stonehenge? 93.
The year of the CBC's 'founding'? 1936
The year of Stoneghenge's reconstruction? 1954
1954+1936+93=3983
But wait. If the CBC is going to produce media in order to crystallize the paradigm beyond subversion what tool do they need?
Copyright law.
When was copyright law enacted?
The Statute of Anne. 1710
Number of people hanged in Britain that year? 63.
3983-1710-63=2210
But I hope you haven't forgotten this motherfucker:
(http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/cbcrc/images/board-set-team/hubert-t-lacroix.png)
Hubert T. Lacroix.
H T L
Add 2 to H and you get J
Take 2 from T and you get R
Take 10 from L and you get B
J R B
J. R. B
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Bobdobbs.png)
J. R. Bob Dobbs created stonehenge, with the help of Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction, which became the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation as part of an elaborate plot to copyright all of history.
HOW DID WE NOT SEE IT SOONER?
Here we go, been a long time since I've busted out these bad boys.
:mittens:
Quote from: ivan on March 31, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:17:20 PMOK, so every government in the world, as well as all of the universities, are collaborating on a massive hoax to convince the public that human beings figured out how to build stuff a couple of thousand years earlier than they actually learned to build stuff.
What's in it for them?
History is written by the winners. This was done to destroy the traces of the previous non-christian civilization. Inheritance is divided between european national groups. Change of elites, a palace coup, but on a global scale. Deep history provides a claim for possession. Maybe.
Or maybe just for fun.
Yes, yes, I can see how this would work. Just like Christians planted all those fossils and "dinosaur" bones in order to head off any notions of evolution.
I, for one, am convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that Mayan and Egyptian monuments were designed to implant the belief that there were never any such thing as pre-Christian civilizations.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 31, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: ivan on March 31, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:17:20 PMOK, so every government in the world, as well as all of the universities, are collaborating on a massive hoax to convince the public that human beings figured out how to build stuff a couple of thousand years earlier than they actually learned to build stuff.
What's in it for them?
History is written by the winners. This was done to destroy the traces of the previous non-christian civilization. Inheritance is divided between european national groups. Change of elites, a palace coup, but on a global scale. Deep history provides a claim for possession. Maybe.
Or maybe just for fun.
So wait. Christians built monolithic pre-Christian monuments to eradicate traces of pre-Christianity?
OBVIOUSLY. Just like Nazis built the moon to eradicate traces of natural satellites. Duh.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on March 31, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
Stonehenge was in fact a druidic prayer circle, but not in the way that most of us think. The druids were hired as contractors to build an inn for weary travelers, but once they were paid they spent it all on masonry and erected a huge useless rock formation.
They've been running the same scam for thousands of years. We just had a CVS in town open up inside of a druidic prayer circle of rock slabs because the franchise owner hired Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction to build it.
How do you run a pharmacy out of hewn stone? There's almost no storage space and the Dunkin Donuts can see you fill your herpes medications.
Fuck druids.
Ah yes, CBC.
Type CBC into google and what's the first result you get? The Canadian Broadcast Corporation. Since when does Canada produce television? Obviously a front for Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction.
The CEO of this so-called CBC?
(http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/cbcrc/images/board-set-team/hubert-t-lacroix.png)
Hubert T. Lacroix.
H T L
How many rocks are there in Stonehenge? 93.
The year of the CBC's 'founding'? 1936
The year of Stoneghenge's reconstruction? 1954
1954+1936+93=3983
But wait. If the CBC is going to produce media in order to crystallize the paradigm beyond subversion what tool do they need?
Copyright law.
When was copyright law enacted?
The Statute of Anne. 1710
Number of people hanged in Britain that year? 63.
3983-1710-63=2210
But I hope you haven't forgotten this motherfucker:
(http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/cbcrc/images/board-set-team/hubert-t-lacroix.png)
Hubert T. Lacroix.
H T L
Add 2 to H and you get J
Take 2 from T and you get R
Take 10 from L and you get B
J R B
J. R. B
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Bobdobbs.png)
J. R. Bob Dobbs created stonehenge, with the help of Caer Blgthrrnmgr Construction, which became the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation as part of an elaborate plot to copyright all of history.
HOW DID WE NOT SEE IT SOONER?
:mittens:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:34:41 PM
On a more practical level, though I am tired of knocking on my neighbors' doors to borrow a cup of sugar and having the entire facade collapse. Every fucking house in the city if a forgery, cleverly painted perspective pieces on cheap plywood.
My city is fallen Hollywood set pieces and druid prayer circles and I can't get any fucking sugar.
This needs to be taken out of context so badly.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 01, 2015, 02:21:14 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:34:41 PM
On a more practical level, though I am tired of knocking on my neighbors' doors to borrow a cup of sugar and having the entire facade collapse. Every fucking house in the city if a forgery, cleverly painted perspective pieces on cheap plywood.
My city is fallen Hollywood set pieces and druid prayer circles and I can't get any fucking sugar.
This needs to be taken out of context so badly.
It was a whole manic piece I had half crafted in my head before I threw it into two posts. I think I have the bug again but damn if it's been so long I have forgotten what to do with it. I thought of an ending to A New Currency while pooping the other day.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 01, 2015, 02:32:37 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 01, 2015, 02:21:14 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 31, 2015, 01:34:41 PM
On a more practical level, though I am tired of knocking on my neighbors' doors to borrow a cup of sugar and having the entire facade collapse. Every fucking house in the city if a forgery, cleverly painted perspective pieces on cheap plywood.
My city is fallen Hollywood set pieces and druid prayer circles and I can't get any fucking sugar.
This needs to be taken out of context so badly.
It was a whole manic piece I had half crafted in my head before I threw it into two posts. I think I have the bug again but damn if it's been so long I have forgotten what to do with it. I thought of an ending to A New Currency while pooping the other day.
Oh 'tis all a "gimcrack world of facades". :lulz:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 01, 2015, 12:25:42 AMI, for one, am convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that Mayan and Egyptian monuments were designed to implant the belief that there were never any such thing as pre-Christian civilizations.
But not as chinese monuments:
(http://tainy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1262679982_xian-pyramid1.jpg)
(http://tainy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1262680226_china_pyramid_yan_ling_111.jpg)
(http://tainy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1262680189_china_pyramid_xianyang_71.jpg)
(http://tainy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1262680130_white_pyramid_19451.jpg)
Or european monuments:
(http://www.kramola.info/sites/default/files/any_images/adfikik.jpg)
http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/pages/european-pyramids.php
Demo Squid, that was masterful. My hat is off. ALL my hats are off.
Unbelievable! You mean to say that pyramids are a really convenient way to stack up material in such a way that it won't fall over for a long time?!
That's just crazy enough to be true...
:thanks:
Really though, most of the thanks have to go to Ivan. If he wasn't so committed, we would never have discovered this conspiracy.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on April 01, 2015, 01:49:06 PMUnbelievable! You mean to say that pyramids are a really convenient way to stack up material in such a way that it won't fall over for a long time?!
Some newage authors believe that the pyramids accumulate orgone energy:
http://www.radosbiohealing.com/pyramids-patents-doctors/143-pyramids-granted-patents-scientific-research
http://www.thelastfourbooks.com/Kabbalah/littleegypt.html
(http://www.orgoneproducts.org/images/pyramid400-2.jpg)
But some viewers of Stargate:SG1 believe that the pyramids are early Earth civilization attempts to imitate Goa'uld Ha'tak motherships.
Lets not jump to any hasty conclusions here.
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
But some viewers of Stargate:SG1 believe that the pyramids are early Earth civilization attempts to imitate Goa'uld Ha'tak motherships.
Lets not jump to any hasty conclusions here.
If Startate is involved, I say we should jump to conclusions as fast as possible. Except for the seasons after Richard Dean Anderson left.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on April 01, 2015, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
But some viewers of Stargate:SG1 believe that the pyramids are early Earth civilization attempts to imitate Goa'uld Ha'tak motherships.
Lets not jump to any hasty conclusions here.
If Startate is involved, I say we should jump to conclusions as fast as possible. Except for the seasons after Richard Dean Anderson left.
This is very true, especially the last part.
If you want to talk about fabricated history, I vote the existence of Stargate: Universe. Complete fabrication, never happened.
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2015, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on April 01, 2015, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
But some viewers of Stargate:SG1 believe that the pyramids are early Earth civilization attempts to imitate Goa'uld Ha'tak motherships.
Lets not jump to any hasty conclusions here.
If Startate is involved, I say we should jump to conclusions as fast as possible. Except for the seasons after Richard Dean Anderson left.
This is very true, especially the last part.
If you want to talk about fabricated history, I vote the existence of Stargate: Universe. Complete fabrication, never happened.
Frankly, it's an embarassment that anyone believed it in the first place.
Orgone? Isn't that the substance with a negative mass that is released when burning stuff?
No wait, that was Phlogiston. I got them confused.
I'm only posting in this thread because I should be working.
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 02, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Orgone? Isn't that the substance with a negative mass that is released when burning stuff?
No wait, that was Phlogiston. I got them confused.
I'm only posting in this thread because I should be working.
Orgone is jizz-magical fuel that creates heat, one crazed psychologist made a machine and ran tests with Einstein, and he got raided by the FDA and died in prison.
IM NOT EVEN KIDDING.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich#1947.E2.80.931957:_Legal_problems_and_controversy
Quote from: The Johnny on April 02, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 02, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Orgone? Isn't that the substance with a negative mass that is released when burning stuff?
No wait, that was Phlogiston. I got them confused.
I'm only posting in this thread because I should be working.
Orgone is jizz-magical fuel that creates heat, one crazed psychologist made a machine and ran tests with Einstein, and he got raided by the FDA and died in prison.
IM NOT EVEN KIDDING.
Don't forget the book burning. That was a proud moment for America.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 02, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 02, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 02, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Orgone? Isn't that the substance with a negative mass that is released when burning stuff?
No wait, that was Phlogiston. I got them confused.
I'm only posting in this thread because I should be working.
Orgone is jizz-magical fuel that creates heat, one crazed psychologist made a machine and ran tests with Einstein, and he got raided by the FDA and died in prison.
IM NOT EVEN KIDDING.
Don't forget the book burning. That was a proud moment for America.
Oh yes, certainly up there with the concentration camps and other such charming times.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2015, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on March 24, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
My worldview is 100% based on forgeries.
Because I cannot observe the entire world simultaneously, my "view" of it is necessarily constructed of facsimiles and impressions that exist only in my mind, and are largely informed by images and narratives that have been presented to me.
Cainad,
LOLpedantryLOL
My worldview is based on watching monkeys drive a planet around the sun. Badly.
This is why I hate humans.
This visual broke my head... I've really missed you. :lulz:
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 03, 2015, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 02, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 02, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 02, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Orgone? Isn't that the substance with a negative mass that is released when burning stuff?
No wait, that was Phlogiston. I got them confused.
I'm only posting in this thread because I should be working.
Orgone is jizz-magical fuel that creates heat, one crazed psychologist made a machine and ran tests with Einstein, and he got raided by the FDA and died in prison.
IM NOT EVEN KIDDING.
Don't forget the book burning. That was a proud moment for America.
Oh yes, certainly up there with the concentration camps and other such charming times.
IIRC they got away with the burning by declaring all Reich's works to be the instruction manual for the banned accumulator boxes he sold as a therapy device.
Tried to represent himself in court and make a scientific argument for his theories before regulatory bureaucrats. Didn't fly.
QuoteWhat's the difference between an original bill, a replica, and an Andy Warhol?
Quote from: LuciferX on April 29, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
QuoteWhat's the difference between an original bill, a replica, and an Andy Warhol?
Yes
Pricetag
Quote from: MMIX on April 29, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on April 29, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
QuoteWhat's the difference between an original bill, a replica, and an Andy Warhol?
Yes
:oops: Sorry,
Yes is the
answer to "What's the difference between an original bill, a replica, and an Andy Warhol?"
The difference is No, there is no difference in principle between these three items.
Everything in the world is exactly the same.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 29, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Everything in the world is exactly the same.
:eek: Mind blown
and its only Wednesday
It all defaults to MAIN.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 29, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
It all defaults to MAIN.
Militarism, Alliances, Imperialism and Nationalism??? (acronym for remembering the causes of WW I)
or something else.
If else then unpack please
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5291
Thanks. Glad you straightened me out there.
Quote from: MMIX on April 29, 2015, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: MMIX on April 29, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on April 29, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
QuoteWhat's the difference between an original bill, a replica, and an Andy Warhol?
Yes
:oops: Sorry, Yes is the answer to "What's the difference between an original bill, a replica, and an Andy Warhol?"
The difference is No, there is no difference in principle between these three items.
Quote from: Cain on April 29, 2015, 05:18:30 PM
Pricetag
Then that meaningful difference between things is understood as the price exacted by their respective rates of exchange... Wait... I see what we just did there...
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on April 02, 2015, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2015, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on April 01, 2015, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
But some viewers of Stargate:SG1 believe that the pyramids are early Earth civilization attempts to imitate Goa'uld Ha'tak motherships.
Lets not jump to any hasty conclusions here.
If Startate is involved, I say we should jump to conclusions as fast as possible. Except for the seasons after Richard Dean Anderson left.
This is very true, especially the last part.
If you want to talk about fabricated history, I vote the existence of Stargate: Universe. Complete fabrication, never happened.
Frankly, it's an embarassment that anyone believed it in the first place.
Really, don't you see, it's just all a simulation :lulz:
Quote from: MMIX on April 29, 2015, 05:43:37 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 29, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
It all defaults to MAIN.
Militarism, Alliances, Imperialism and Nationalism??? (acronym for remembering the causes of WW I)
or something else.
If else then unpack please
I keep having trouble with the "A", making all my ties seem like lies, antsy allegiances, or something.
More than tangentially related to some of the shit I was thinking when I replied upthread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk John Berger Ways of Seeing on the Beeb back in the 70's
Quote from: MMIX on April 30, 2015, 06:36:46 PM
More than tangentially related to some of the shit I was thinking when I replied upthread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk John Berger Ways of Seeing on the Beeb back in the 70's
Checking that out - my inspiration was probably R.A.W. And Karl Hess: Subversion for Fun... It's also on YouTube - can't pull the link tho.
[Ed. Finished first episode - so cool - had flitted past the series before b/c idunno, so glad for the recommendation - perfect for me right now]
Quote from: LuciferX on May 01, 2015, 02:20:28 AM
Quote from: MMIX on April 30, 2015, 06:36:46 PM
More than tangentially related to some of the shit I was thinking when I replied upthread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk John Berger Ways of Seeing on the Beeb back in the 70's
Checking that out - my inspiration was probably R.A.W. And Karl Hess: Subversion for Fun... It's also on YouTube - can't pull the link tho.
Cool. I know what I'm going to watch in the morning then.
ETA Wow its really freaky to have a talking head suddenly drop an example you've been thinking about for a few hours.
Also glad you are enjoying the Berger. I vaguely remember it from when it was first broadcast and then had the book on a university reading list back when. You have no idea how cool that guy was back in the day.