I can't even spoil it, but know it goes to 90+ pages until it's resolved. After that you can pretty much stop. There's some NSFW too, just...yeah. A friend of mine sent this to me tonight. Holy fuck.
hxxp://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=2&thread=2156204&page=1
I'm only at page 13 and HOLY SHIT :horrormirth:
LAWL page 24 :lulz:
PAGE 37 WAT THA FUCK
Windows 8 choked on the ads. :cry:
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 06:11:23 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:00:13 AM
PAGE 37 WAT THA FUCK
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:01:20 AM
Windows 8 choked on the ads. :cry:
They found the guy listed as a pedo.
No context. I can't see any of it, because Windows 8 spends so long checking the ads as potential illegal file sharing that it times out.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:01:20 AM
Windows 8 choked on the ads. :cry:
When you get back to work you have to check this shit out. HOLEE FUCK.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:13:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:01:20 AM
Windows 8 choked on the ads. :cry:
When you get back to work you have to check this shit out. HOLEE FUCK.
No WAY does that get past the nannywall.
My buddy Ross has one of those smart phone thingies, and he'll be over on Sunday. I'll check it out then.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:14:16 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:13:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:01:20 AM
Windows 8 choked on the ads. :cry:
When you get back to work you have to check this shit out. HOLEE FUCK.
No WAY does that get past the nannywall.
My buddy Ross has one of those smart phone thingies, and he'll be over on Sunday. I'll check it out then.
It's really fucking long, and I don't want to post spoilers, but long story short this creeper texts random numbers to see if he can find a girl to sext, and he texted the
wrong number.
Imagine the possibilities if some creeper texted Keelin's number and asked for pictures, and you can get a sense of the hilarious results.
But I'm only halfway through the thread, who knows what's going to happen next?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:25:21 AM
Imagine the possibilities if some creeper texted Keelin's number and asked for pictures, and you can get a sense of the hilarious results.
But I'm only halfway through the thread, who knows what's going to happen next?
:lulz:
Speaking of horrible ideas, hit refresh.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/2013-04-05_19-30-23-1.jpg)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Speaking of horrible ideas, hit refresh.
AAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
What am I LOOKING at?? A naked, leaping man with sneakers and bunny ears getting chased by police???
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:38:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Speaking of horrible ideas, hit refresh.
AAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
What am I LOOKING at?? A naked, leaping man with sneakers and bunny ears getting chased by police???
Seems to be it. And he's doing it with
style.
I have no idea where I got that. I think they spontaneously generate on my hard drive, like eels do in river mud.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:38:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Speaking of horrible ideas, hit refresh.
AAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
What am I LOOKING at?? A naked, leaping man with sneakers and bunny ears getting chased by police???
Seems to be it. And he's doing it with style.
I have no idea where I got that. I think they spontaneously generate on my hard drive, like eels do in river mud.
:lulz: It's AMAZING.
And GLORIOUS. :lulz:
OMG i just lost it and started wheezing from all the lolz when he posted the x-ray pic on p. 15 :uday: :uday:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:38:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Speaking of horrible ideas, hit refresh.
AAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
What am I LOOKING at?? A naked, leaping man with sneakers and bunny ears getting chased by police???
Seems to be it. And he's doing it with style.
I have no idea where I got that. I think they spontaneously generate on my hard drive, like eels do in river mud.
:lulz: It's AMAZING.
That sort of inspired me to spread rumors on Facebook that Rep Steve King (R-Crazytown) has announced that spontaneous generation is "well-documented scientific fact".
Anyone who wants to jump in by posting or sharing that can help me get a little traction here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
And GLORIOUS. :lulz:
He seems so HAPPY.
It makes ME happy.
I want a high res one for WALLPAPER. For EVERYBODY.
So everybody can be HAPPY.
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 07:32:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
And GLORIOUS. :lulz:
He seems so HAPPY.
It makes ME happy.
I want a high res one for WALLPAPER. For EVERYBODY.
So everybody can be HAPPY.
I don't think those police are happy. :sadbanana:
Unless they're playing "pin the nightstick on the bath salts donkey". :banana:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:13:26 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 06:11:23 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 13, 2013, 06:00:13 AM
PAGE 37 WAT THA FUCK
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 06:01:20 AM
Windows 8 choked on the ads. :cry:
They found the guy listed as a pedo.
No context. I can't see any of it, because Windows 8 spends so long checking the ads as potential illegal file sharing that it times out.
Need to get adblock plus. Seriously. And you can white list sites that you actually want to support by seeing ads.
Has saved me a headache or two while meandering the web.
Ugh, is Windows 8 really that bad? Yikes.
And yes, I told you all this thread was win. Holy fuck. The "Pea-Dough" picture had me on the floor in tears.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 07:39:57 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 07:32:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 13, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
And GLORIOUS. :lulz:
He seems so HAPPY.
It makes ME happy.
I want a high res one for WALLPAPER. For EVERYBODY.
So everybody can be HAPPY.
I don't think those police are happy. :sadbanana:
Unless they're playing "pin the nightstick on the bath salts donkey". :banana:
I was thinking in terms of "the thrill of the chase". :lol:
Quote from: Suu on April 13, 2013, 02:28:02 PM
Ugh, is Windows 8 really that bad? Yikes.
And yes, I told you all this thread was win. Holy fuck. The "Pea-Dough" picture had me on the floor in tears.
I laughed till it HURT. :argh!:
That, and the guy completely missed the cock in the x-ray. Completely. Missed. I was like...ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
It's so awesome, I want to make a copy of THE WHOLE THING before it gets taken down.
Which it might, for legal reasons. *cough*Mol*cough*
(http://gifs.gifbin.com/022011/1298479506_video-game-trolling.gif)
:eek: :fap:
I would KILL to have caught the OP with the guy's number posted so we could jump in.
OMG. That was epic.
I really dug in the first 40 pages, but then i just scrolled to Zerotz posts, but then i realized its, 300 pages :lulz:...
Unless something else happened, it's pretty much all over by page 90.
page 94 has a recap of all the texts from the whole thread
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 14, 2013, 03:42:29 PM
page 94 has a recap of all the texts from the whole thread
Oh that's good to know!
Link for those who want to skip all the peanut gallery banter: hxxp://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=2&thread=2156204&page=94
You gotta admit, THIS was a genius move: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cas/3728897454.html
and: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/zip/3728368490.html
Page 97, someone posts this:
QuoteAdulterous_Zucchini - Really douchey to send him the link. Pedo? So jerking off to a 15-year-old makes someone a pedophile? That's a weird definition. Super awkward how you used that to make yourself seem like some righteous deliverer of justice. And you're 30 years old, OP? Geez, I feel bad for you, and for most of this thread, too. "OMG, so much LOLZ, we're trolling a retarded person. OH GOD, this is so exciting! Ur an OG legend, OP!" Are you all really so bored and lame that this is that this is exciting for you? Some of your are beside yourselves with awe, almost as though this is one of the defining moments of your lives. Fuck, that's sad. Seriously, trolling a desperate retard into falling in love with a fake person just so that you can laugh, point, and pass on a complete record of your humiliation of him is fucked. Again, it's really sad that you're 30 years old.
:lulz: This is not going to end well.
I'm on page 139. I have a creeeeepy feeling the pedo is Jacob's sex offender DAD, using his pedo-son's likeness to troll for younger stock and that he's bamboozling the son into taking the pics on his iPhone and send them to him on a NON-iPhone.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 14, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
Page 97, someone posts this:
QuoteAdulterous_Zucchini - Really douchey to send him the link. Pedo? So jerking off to a 15-year-old makes someone a pedophile? That's a weird definition. Super awkward how you used that to make yourself seem like some righteous deliverer of justice. And you're 30 years old, OP? Geez, I feel bad for you, and for most of this thread, too. "OMG, so much LOLZ, we're trolling a retarded person. OH GOD, this is so exciting! Ur an OG legend, OP!" Are you all really so bored and lame that this is that this is exciting for you? Some of your are beside yourselves with awe, almost as though this is one of the defining moments of your lives. Fuck, that's sad. Seriously, trolling a desperate retard into falling in love with a fake person just so that you can laugh, point, and pass on a complete record of your humiliation of him is fucked. Again, it's really sad that you're 30 years old.
:lulz: This is not going to end well.
:ohboy:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
It's like watching Columbo and tryna figger out "whodunnit?"
I'm still trying to figure out the 05APR photo on his sex offender registry page and my only conclusion is that Jacobear wasn't complying with the terms of the registry and got spooked into updating his photo and address right after the first troll reveal.
NO FUCKING WAY
Page 106, dude is back on the line with a different OGer!
Stand by.
Something ain't right... at least one of those pictures looks like a shoop.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME HIS DAD IS A PEDO TOO? :vom:
This thread is AMAZING.
OMFG!!
:popcorn:
:peedee:
They're compiling the whole sordid affair into a tumblr: hp://jacobearog.tumblr.com/
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 15, 2013, 01:29:19 AM
They're compiling the whole sordid affair into a tumblr: hp://jacobearog.tumblr.com/
YAY!
I'm at page 210. I can't believe they MET HIM AT STARBUCKS.
That took it beyond troll, to a level of holy WTFage that I don't think I've ever seen before.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 15, 2013, 01:52:19 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 15, 2013, 01:29:19 AM
They're compiling the whole sordid affair into a tumblr: hp://jacobearog.tumblr.com/
YAY!
I'm at page 210. I can't believe they MET HIM AT STARBUCKS.
That took it beyond troll, to a level of holy WTFage that I don't think I've ever seen before.
These cats should get a medal.
The terms "Jacobear" and "Pea-dough" are the best things to come out of this thing.
ZOMG I need to get home and off mobile web STAT - WE ARE SEEING HISTORY IN THE MAKING. Ha ha. :lulz:
Hurry, Apparently Jacobear hired an attorney and their mod is starting to pull stuff from the thread.
hp://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2161476&forum=1&page=1&pc=10
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 15, 2013, 02:54:36 AM
Hurry, Apparently Jacobear hired an attorney and their mod is starting to pull stuff from the thread.
FUCK I'M ONLY AT PAGE 232
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 15, 2013, 03:05:44 AM
hp://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2161476&forum=1&page=1&pc=10
Oh good, false alarm! Whew. I need to read the whole thing. I'm fucking addicted.
Is there an all encompassing recap? Seems a lot went on beyond p. 94
It's a fucking soap opera. Just when you think the main character got killed off, you find out his dental records got switched and no one knew because he was in a coma with his face burnt off.
It's goddamn amazing. And I'm at least 100 posts from the end.
LOL https://soundcloud.com/ryan-spill-leonard/jacobears-song
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 15, 2013, 06:35:14 AM
LOL https://soundcloud.com/ryan-spill-leonard/jacobears-song
OH FUCK YES :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 14, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
You gotta admit, THIS was a genius move: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cas/3728897454.html
and: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/zip/3728368490.html
Kind of shitty for any Trans person who actually responds to the first ad...
Quote from: Pergamos on April 15, 2013, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 14, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
You gotta admit, THIS was a genius move: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cas/3728897454.html
and: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/zip/3728368490.html
Kind of shitty for any Trans person who actually responds to the first ad...
^this^
Holy fuck. I've done absolutely no work today. I'm on page 270. And they're still fucking with him :eek:
Ok, I read the tumblr to get an idea of what all was going on and i have to say, I don't think this guy deserves this. Yeah, he's a creep who randomly texts chicks and has no social skills whatsoever. He also wanked for a kid, which shows he has poor filters more than that he is any kind of predator. This guy has problems, he looks a bit like he might have downs syndrome, or fetal alcohol syndrome. Picking on the mentally handicapped isn't cool, even the creepy mentally handicapped.
I'm not bashing the original Kelly texts, but the level that this got taken to is fairly out of hand, especially those craig's list ads.
On one hand, it's unfair because he's clearly suffering from fetal lead poisoning or something like it. On the other hand, he chronically texts random women/girls and talks dirty to them, and that's totally unacceptable. Also, the thing with jerking off on webcam for a 12-year-old... he believed she was 12, that's fucking disgusting, and you can be fairly safe in betting that he had jerked off on webcam for a multitude of other little girls before he was busted. So, he's kind of a retard, but he's also a scumbag, and he clearly has no authentic feelings for these "women" he's texting with. He's a predator. A retarded predator.
However, completely aside from issues of whether he deserves it, these guys have gone a few steps beyond trolling into a giant revolving trainwreck that can only possibly end badly, and I can't stop reading it.
Quote from: Pergamos on April 15, 2013, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 14, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
You gotta admit, THIS was a genius move: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cas/3728897454.html
and: hp://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/zip/3728368490.html
Kind of shitty for any Trans person who actually responds to the first ad...
Nobody seems to know who put up the ads.
A couple of the guys mentioned that they hope nobody actually responds to it.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 15, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
On one hand, it's unfair because he's clearly suffering from fetal lead poisoning or something like it. On the other hand, he chronically texts random women/girls and talks dirty to them, and that's totally unacceptable. Also, the thing with jerking off on webcam for a 12-year-old... he believed she was 12, that's fucking disgusting, and you can be fairly safe in betting that he had jerked off on webcam for a multitude of other little girls before he was busted. So, he's kind of a retard, but he's also a scumbag, and he clearly has no authentic feelings for these "women" he's texting with. He's a predator. A retarded predator.
However, completely aside from issues of whether he deserves it, these guys have gone a few steps beyond trolling into a giant revolving trainwreck that can only possibly end badly, and I can't stop reading it.
This. Exactly this! Some of it makes me feel bad but some of it makes me laugh my fucking ass off. Such is life. Also, he might get to fuck Sister Steel so they're really being nice to him, right?
MY BODY IS READY!!! :lulz:
Agree with Nigel. He's retarded, but he's definitely a predator. And he gets all controlling with ANYBODY he texts with: "Stop fucking him", "U my girlfriend?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUTg7MuUjs#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUTg7MuUjs#!)
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 15, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
On one hand, it's unfair because he's clearly suffering from fetal lead poisoning or something like it. On the other hand, he chronically texts random women/girls and talks dirty to them, and that's totally unacceptable. Also, the thing with jerking off on webcam for a 12-year-old... he believed she was 12, that's fucking disgusting, and you can be fairly safe in betting that he had jerked off on webcam for a multitude of other little girls before he was busted. So, he's kind of a retard, but he's also a scumbag, and he clearly has no authentic feelings for these "women" he's texting with. He's a predator. A retarded predator.
However, completely aside from issues of whether he deserves it, these guys have gone a few steps beyond trolling into a giant revolving trainwreck that can only possibly end badly, and I can't stop reading it.
Yeah, everyone in this thing is fucked when LE finally sorts it out. I ate an entire pouch of almond M&Ms reading it though.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUTg7MuUjs#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUTg7MuUjs#!)
Right. He's
not so mentally retarded that he doesn't comprehend complex decisions.
I just picked up reading in the 200s. These guys have taken the joke to the next level.
...I'm not sure if I want this published in a book or hidden from the world. This is both epic and tragic, horrormirth at it's absolute shining moment in history.
Page 340 looks like the end but I've said that before...
I KNOW THAT STARBUCKS THEY'RE AT.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Fucking Larghetto. Gah. A wretch hive of scum of villainy between Detroit Souf and Scifag City. This shit makes me fear for my sister's life every. fucking. day. Then I remember she has a LTC and a 3rd Dan, sooo...
Quote from: Suu on April 15, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
I KNOW THAT STARBUCKS THEY'RE AT.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Fucking Larghetto. Gah. A wretch hive of scum of villainy between Detroit Souf and Scifag City. This shit makes me fear for my sister's life every. fucking. day. Then I remember she has a LTC and a 3rd Dan, sooo...
Tell her to stay away fro Jacobear the peah-dough.
Quote from: Suu on April 15, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
I KNOW T% of cases in the UK.HAT STARBUCKS THEY'RE AT.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Fucking Larghetto. Gah. A wretch hive of scum of villainy between Detroit Souf and Scifag City. This shit makes me fear for my sister's life every. fucking. day. Then I remember she has a LTC and a 3rd Dan, sooo...
Statistically speaking, most rapes and sexual assaults are from people known to the person assaulted. I think rape by stranger is 9% of cases in the UK. Not sure about US stats on this, but I know it's a similar story.
Yeah but almost ALL the creepy child-snatcher and serial killer shit happens to strangers.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 16, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
Yeah but almost ALL the creepy child-snatcher and serial killer shit happens to strangers.
Link?
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 16, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
Yeah but almost ALL the creepy child-snatcher and serial killer shit THAT IS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA happens to strangers.
Fixt.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 16, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
Yeah but almost ALL the creepy child-snatcher and serial killer shit THAT IS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA happens to strangers.
Fixt.
THS.
Safer going about your day than at a house party with friends, from the stats I've seen.
http://www.deeppencil.com/rapists-are-not-strangers-hiding-in-the-bushes/
This is an Australian blog, but the pattern in child abuse and sexual offenses is that the majority of perps are someone known to the vic, US, UK.
The scary stranger stuff is scary, and easy to sensationalise, and gets reported more due to the lack of inclination to victim-blame.
Most common perps are ex partners/partners/friends.
I've done a lot of research for campaigns and other activisty stuff.
Poor Jacobear the predatard. :(
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 16, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
Yeah but almost ALL the creepy child-snatcher and serial killer shit THAT IS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA happens to strangers.
Fixt.
Yeah, the reason family and friends are always the first suspects in abductions is because it's almost always perpetrated by family or friends.
Not with serial killers, but those are really really rare.
Quote from: Suu on April 15, 2013, 07:19:17 PM
I just picked up reading in the 200s. These guys have taken the joke to the next level.
...I'm not sure if I want this published in a book or hidden from the world. This is both epic and tragic, horrormirth at it's absolute shining moment in history.
YES.
Whole thread has been summarised in tumblr form (http://jacobearog.tumblr.com/archive)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 08:10:18 AM
Whole thread has been summarised in tumblr form (http://jacobearog.tumblr.com/archive)
Finally, something I can share with my friends without them going "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?"
Oh wait.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 16, 2013, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 08:10:18 AM
Whole thread has been summarised in tumblr form (http://jacobearog.tumblr.com/archive)
Finally, something I can share with my friends without them going "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?"
Oh wait.
You just summed up my last couple of days :horrormirth:
Lost a day reading this.
This guy's phone bill must be FUCKING HUGE.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 16, 2013, 09:13:10 AM
Lost a day reading this.
This guy's phone bill must be FUCKING HUGE.
Yeah but his hospitality expenses are pretty low so it balances out
I can't believe it's still going.
This is going to end in tears.
Troll has been outed about half a dozen times now. He has a link to the thread and he's still falling for it. That aint dumb, thats special needs.
I'm kinda unsure what I think would happen if he somehow took a real live date home and she refused to put out but I can't rule out something nasty as fuck. However, balance that with what the hell is the chance of him landing a real live date?
He needs help, that's for sure.
This guy. :horrormirth:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
Troll has been outed about half a dozen times now. He has a link to the thread and he's still falling for it. That aint dumb, thats special needs.
I'm kinda unsure what I think would happen if he somehow took a real live date home and she refused to put out but I can't rule out something nasty as fuck. However, balance that with what the hell is the chance of him landing a real live date?
He needs help, that's for sure.
I hope to god he never ends up alone with a girl, because I would put money on him raping her. Desperation and idiocy is a dangerous combination, and the fact that he literally appears to have no idea that normal people don't go from "hello" to "let me commn in ur month" in less than five minutes is a bad bad sign about where his boundaries are.
There's a guy like him, but possibly a little less stupid, at one of the pubs I hang out at sometimes, and he has literally sat down next to me and started inappropriately talking to and touching me, even when I was like "you need to fucking stop that", to the point where I had to have him removed. But he doesn't learn. He really doesn't get it. And I have absolutely no question that he would rape someone if he managed to get alone with a girl, and then not understand why she was upset afterwards. "U still my gf? Thot u like it ruff n that y u fighting me."
Predatards just don't get it. That's why they're dangerous. There is absolutely no way this guy is ever going to learn his lesson, because he has no concept of where the boundaries lie and what appropriate behavior is.
This guy is totally freaking dangerous. The fact that he's local to my family (granted, sex offenders are everywhere.) also bothers me. It's odd when shit literally hits close to home.
...I still can't stop reading. :kingmeh:
On the Tumblr and catching up on pics.
:vom:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I love that I posted this site here. I knew you spags would appreciate it.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 16, 2013, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
Troll has been outed about half a dozen times now. He has a link to the thread and he's still falling for it. That aint dumb, thats special needs.
I'm kinda unsure what I think would happen if he somehow took a real live date home and she refused to put out but I can't rule out something nasty as fuck. However, balance that with what the hell is the chance of him landing a real live date?
He needs help, that's for sure.
I hope to god he never ends up alone with a girl, because I would put money on him raping her. Desperation and idiocy is a dangerous combination, and the fact that he literally appears to have no idea that normal people don't go from "hello" to "let me commn in ur month" in less than five minutes is a bad bad sign about where his boundaries are.
There's a guy like him, but possibly a little less stupid, at one of the pubs I hang out at sometimes, and he has literally sat down next to me and started inappropriately talking to and touching me, even when I was like "you need to fucking stop that", to the point where I had to have him removed. But he doesn't learn. He really doesn't get it. And I have absolutely no question that he would rape someone if he managed to get alone with a girl, and then not understand why she was upset afterwards. "U still my gf? Thot u like it ruff n that y u fighting me."
Predatards just don't get it. That's why they're dangerous. There is absolutely no way this guy is ever going to learn his lesson, because he has no concept of where the boundaries lie and what appropriate behavior is.
Somebody could ABSOLUTELY end up at his house, for the same reason people went to Dahmer's house - free drinks and the like. Or imagine some runaway kid who's had nothing to eat for a few days. Not saying this guy is Dahmer but he IS rapey as fuck and even as repulsive as he is, he could still lure people.
Someone needs to get Chris Hansen involved in this shit. He's not doing anything anymore right?
The way this is spreading, they make just bring back To Catch a Predator.
Thread is rapidly approaching two million views. For added meta-hilarity, check out the post pg250 witch hunt for the white knight.
tl/dr: must have been someone from OG or the honda tech forum cos the fact that there's a facebook "share" button at the bottom of the thread and it's a public forum means no one who didn't respond angrily to the troll could have possibly read jacobears number from one of the the pics and texted him for shits and giggles :kingmeh:
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 16, 2013, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
Troll has been outed about half a dozen times now. He has a link to the thread and he's still falling for it. That aint dumb, thats special needs.
I'm kinda unsure what I think would happen if he somehow took a real live date home and she refused to put out but I can't rule out something nasty as fuck. However, balance that with what the hell is the chance of him landing a real live date?
He needs help, that's for sure.
I hope to god he never ends up alone with a girl, because I would put money on him raping her. Desperation and idiocy is a dangerous combination, and the fact that he literally appears to have no idea that normal people don't go from "hello" to "let me commn in ur month" in less than five minutes is a bad bad sign about where his boundaries are.
There's a guy like him, but possibly a little less stupid, at one of the pubs I hang out at sometimes, and he has literally sat down next to me and started inappropriately talking to and touching me, even when I was like "you need to fucking stop that", to the point where I had to have him removed. But he doesn't learn. He really doesn't get it. And I have absolutely no question that he would rape someone if he managed to get alone with a girl, and then not understand why she was upset afterwards. "U still my gf? Thot u like it ruff n that y u fighting me."
Predatards just don't get it. That's why they're dangerous. There is absolutely no way this guy is ever going to learn his lesson, because he has no concept of where the boundaries lie and what appropriate behavior is.
Somebody could ABSOLUTELY end up at his house, for the same reason people went to Dahmer's house - free drinks and the like. Or imagine some runaway kid who's had nothing to eat for a few days. Not saying this guy is Dahmer but he IS rapey as fuck and even as repulsive as he is, he could still lure people.
Semi-serious - He's probably already done some actual damage. He seems persistent enough to eventually find someone.
It's probably the unfortunate way that this will go, I really can't read through that lot and not suspect he's an offender of some kind at a minimum and a highly prolific one at the absolute worst. I really hope it's the former/I'm wrong.
OFUK...
QuoteCan someone give me a quick summary of what went on in this thread? We are being asked to remove it by Largo PD referencing cyber bullying laws, and instead of removing it ASAP and hear the complaints I wanted to let people know ahead of time.
Streisand effect setting: Overdrive
Hilarity awaits
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
OFUK...
QuoteCan someone give me a quick summary of what went on in this thread? We are being asked to remove it by Largo PD referencing cyber bullying laws, and instead of removing it ASAP and hear the complaints I wanted to let people know ahead of time.
Fuck.
Is anyone screen-capping this shit?
There's an entire tumblr devoted to the screenshots.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 08:40:54 PM
There's an entire tumblr devoted to the screenshots.
Sweet. Link?
I can see tumblr at home. I can't see the page in question, on account of Windows 8.
Better hurry up, there's talk of the tumblr being taken down. I'm looking for a screen scrape script, right now so I can grab it before it goes
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 08:40:54 PM
There's an entire tumblr devoted to the screenshots.
Sweet. Link?
I can see tumblr at home. I can't see the page in question, on account of Windows 8.
http://jacobearog.tumblr.com/archive
K I've saved all the tumblr pages to hd. But fuck if I'm doing 400-odd pages of forum thread.
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
u k baby? can I cumm in your month?
You need to make him you GF first.
Try asking 20 times.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 16, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
You need to make him you GF first.
Try asking 20 times.
This all argues for the triumpant return of Susan.
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
u k baby? can I cumm in your month?
Shave "I do it for jenkem" into your chest hair first, so I know you're real.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
u k baby? can I cumm in your month?
Shave "I do it for jenkem" into your chest hair first, so I know you're real.
:spittake:
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
u k baby? can I cumm in your month?
Shave "I do it for jenkem" into your chest hair first, so I know you're real.
Does it still count if I already had it shaved on my chest?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
It's probably Timmy the Dying Boy. I haven't seen him in 5 years or so, and this is EXACTLY his style.
1) he has a profile on sex offenders register
2) profiled guy turned up at an irl meatup and was photographed
ETA: otherwise I was kinda hoping that for a while, too
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 09:38:58 PM
1) he has a profile on sex offenders register
2) profiled guy turned up at an irl meatup and was photographed
:sad:
I miss Timmy. He was the best FC troll ever. I am proud to have tormented people with him.
I'm a bit sad I was not around when FC was at its height (depth).
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
I'm a bit sad I was not around when FC was at its height (depth).
It's height was 2001-2004. By 2005, it was flagging, and then Pud flipped the fuck out over all the wrong things, and now you have a series of successor boards that resemble the successor states that followed Alexander, only completely and incurably retarded.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
Yours and mine both dude.
yea, I am also kind of creeped out how some of the posters there like sharing pics of their ex's without consent, which is when i lost interest in the thread.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
Or that internet chatrooms attract antisocial and/or twisted assholes who can't function, you know, in real life.
One or the other.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
It's probably Timmy the Dying Boy. I haven't seen him in 5 years or so, and this is EXACTLY his style.
SPILL! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 17, 2013, 02:36:44 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
Or that internet chatrooms attract antisocial and/or twisted assholes who can't function, you know, in real life.
One or the other.
I had to buy a bed frame this week via classifieds.
dude wanted to see my pic, so I asked that Payne deal with him. (DID not want him having my phone number. no way)
Chatrooms circa 2003- 2006 or so was a fuckin' nightmare. the block button was my best friend.
racism, homophobia and horridness to women in online gaming can get pretty bad too, from what i hear.
Cain, as someone who does online gaming what are your experiences of hearing that kind of thing?
Online gaming rooms were bad when I used to use them but what you have to bear in mind is that the demographic was (and prolly still is) predominantly teenage social rejects with too much sockfucking time on their hands.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 17, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Online gaming rooms were bad when I used to use them but what you have to bear in mind is that the demographic was (and prolly still is) predominantly teenage social rejects with too much sockfucking time on their hands.
Studies have shown the average age of online gamers is about 30, and mostly dudes (in the us)
http://www.themarysue.com/academic-study-game-harassment/
TBH I don't really give a shit as to the age and demographics of assholes.
I do know that dealing with that shit is irritating as fuck, somewhat draining.
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 11:21:35 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 17, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Online gaming rooms were bad when I used to use them but what you have to bear in mind is that the demographic was (and prolly still is) predominantly teenage social rejects with too much sockfucking time on their hands.
Studies have shown the average age of online gamers is about 30, and mostly dudes (in the us)
http://www.themarysue.com/academic-study-game-harassment/
TBH I don't really give a shit as to the age and demographics of assholes.
I do know that dealing with that shit is irritating as fuck, somewhat draining.
Pretty sure the assholes don't really give much of a shit about your opinions either.
If you can't stand the smell of shit, keep out of the sewer?
And then I'll get told i'm overreacting for not wanting to do/ being somewhat reticent about online gaming.
Which I have been told.
If someone told me I was overreacting to something that pissed me off, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves. FTR I don't think you're overreacting. It's a matter of personal taste. I just happen to have none, is all
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 17, 2013, 12:18:43 PM
If someone told me I was overreacting to something that pissed me off, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves. FTR I don't think you're overreacting. It's a matter of personal taste. I just happen to have none, is all
Can't really tell payne to go fuck himself really.
You can and you should. Then you should beat the shit out of him with a steel pipe and post pics on facebook. For the lulz :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 17, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
You can and you should. Then you should beat the shit out of him with a steel pipe and post pics on facebook. For the lulz :lulz:
Nah, one sharp poke in the ribs is enough to disable him. :lulz:
I want to game, sure.
I'm just not sure about if it will be more fun than any of the shit.
Private server with friends / other women would be a whole other matter, of course, I'd be on that shit like jam on toast.
Having to go to the extra effort to find such a group is annoying, but probably worth it.
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 17, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
You can and you should. Then you should beat the shit out of him with a steel pipe and post pics on facebook. For the lulz :lulz:
Nah, one sharp poke in the ribs is enough to disable him. :lulz:
I want to game, sure.
I'm just not sure about if it will be more fun than any of the shit.
Private server with friends / other women would be a whole other matter, of course, I'd be on that shit like jam on toast.
Having to go to the extra effort to find such a group is annoying, but probably worth it.
Then you will enjoy the PD minecraft server when it is up.
Public lobbies are shit anyway. In terms of the level of game you can pick up there. Mostly complete fuckheads who have no idea how to play the damn game.
Private lobbies are always more rewarding, imo and clan action is where it's at if you have the time. Once you get away from the public lobbies the abusive bullshit will reduce to practically nil, aside from smack talk, that is and even that is pretty strictly regulated in terms of what you can and can't say to people.
Quote from: Faust on April 17, 2013, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 17, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
You can and you should. Then you should beat the shit out of him with a steel pipe and post pics on facebook. For the lulz :lulz:
Nah, one sharp poke in the ribs is enough to disable him. :lulz:
I want to game, sure.
I'm just not sure about if it will be more fun than any of the shit.
Private server with friends / other women would be a whole other matter, of course, I'd be on that shit like jam on toast.
Having to go to the extra effort to find such a group is annoying, but probably worth it.
Then you will enjoy the PD minecraft server when it is up.
Yes, I probably will, once I get proper broadband, (which is coming soon. YAY!)
Jesus fuck, I had a dream this guy found where I lived and tried to come over.
Quote from: Suu on April 17, 2013, 01:27:30 PM
Jesus fuck, I had a dream this guy found where I lived and tried to come over.
gah.
:shudders:
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 17, 2013, 01:27:30 PM
Jesus fuck, I had a dream this guy found where I lived and tried to come over.
gah.
:shudders:
In Rhode Island, no less. Not in Clearwater. Talk about desperation.
Quote from: Suu on April 17, 2013, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 17, 2013, 01:27:30 PM
Jesus fuck, I had a dream this guy found where I lived and tried to come over.
gah.
:shudders:
In Rhode Island, no less. Not in Clearwater. Talk about desperation.
Your subconscious is being mean to you. beat it up.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 17, 2013, 02:36:44 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
Or that internet chatrooms attract antisocial and/or twisted assholes who can't function, you know, in real life.
One or the other.
Yes. That too. But enough about me.
Quote from: Cain on April 17, 2013, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 17, 2013, 02:36:44 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Having pretended to be a woman on chatrooms to troll before now, I can say with some authority that this type of man is far too common for my personal comfort.
Or that internet chatrooms attract antisocial and/or twisted assholes who can't function, you know, in real life.
One or the other.
Yes. That too. But enough about me.
:lulz:
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
Cain, as someone who does online gaming what are your experiences of hearing that kind of thing?
Xbox is shit. It's full of 12 year old internet ninja SEAL commandos who will show you your place.
PC gaming is better, to a degree. I mostly still play Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, and on PC it's almost entirely silent, with the occasional "thanks" or "watch out behind you". But then Bioware tends to attract a larger number of female and older gamers anyway, so the overall fanbase tends to be less hostile. Also, co-op in theory means everyone is on the same side. In theory.
I hear of things sometimes happening, via the forums, but it's pretty rare outside of Xbox.
Also, just so you can put my experience into context, I play public lobbies almost exclusively. Friends only lobbies and clans are for losers with skinny weiners who cannot carry a match on their own.
Quote from: Cain on April 17, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: Pixie on April 17, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
Cain, as someone who does online gaming what are your experiences of hearing that kind of thing?
Xbox is shit. It's full of 12 year old internet ninja SEAL commandos who will show you your place.
PC gaming is better, to a degree. I mostly still play Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, and on PC it's almost entirely silent, with the occasional "thanks" or "watch out behind you". But then Bioware tends to attract a larger number of female and older gamers anyway, so the overall fanbase tends to be less hostile. Also, co-op in theory means everyone is on the same side. In theory.
I hear of things sometimes happening, via the forums, but it's pretty rare outside of Xbox.
Also, just so you can put my experience into context, I play public lobbies almost exclusively. Friends only lobbies and clans are for losers with skinny weiners who cannot carry a match on their own.
Cool. I've also heard that games with reputation and feedback systems in place are better.
They definitely help, yes, though they can be susceptible to "mob rule" type sentiments, which easily proliferate online.
We must be the only people that play online without a headset. My online gaming is mostly through Everquest (mainly because I suck at multiplayer), but my husband and son do online through xbox and we never hear anyone talk.
Here are a couple of examples of what you can expect on Xbox if you know how to aim and understand more or less how a game works.
Link 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qroKw_w8II). Link 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSAST-fJJE). Link 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooi_4euOdg0). Link 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZYqS0FxFj8).
Quote from: Cain on April 17, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
on PC it's almost entirely silent, with the occasional "thanks" or "watch out behind you".
Of course, the very next match I had after saying this involved a French guy swearing quite creatively over the mic.
In his defense, the French guy had every right to be swearing at our team mate, who didn't help with the fucking objectives. Enjoy your free money, arsehole.
And this game almost drove me to swearing:
(http://i.imgur.com/GmAdyGO.jpg?1)
Yes, that's me, scoring over three times as much as the next person. Argh.
QuoteCool. I've also heard that games with reputation and feedback systems in place are better.
For any who are interested in this stuff, I've been through a lot of Mechanism Design stuff in relation to game theory. You can pretty much design a game that results in online community taking substantially different forms. Some games are designed in such a way that only wankers tend to play, others are much more welcoming. The short version is multiple things in the game itself will create certain behaviours once you enable communication between players. If anyone's interested I'll pull together a (very) rough intro.
That's kind of interesting from a social engineering perspective. I'd read it.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 17, 2013, 07:50:13 PM
QuoteCool. I've also heard that games with reputation and feedback systems in place are better.
For any who are interested in this stuff, I've been through a lot of Mechanism Design stuff in relation to game theory. You can pretty much design a game that results in online community taking substantially different forms. Some games are designed in such a way that only wankers tend to play, others are much more welcoming. The short version is multiple things in the game itself will create certain behaviours once you enable communication between players. If anyone's interested I'll pull together a (very) rough intro.
That would be awesome! Would help me filter the more fun than bullshit from the more bullshit than fun.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
I totally hoped that for 250 pages.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 18, 2013, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
I totally hoped that for 250 pages.
Yeah, that would have been the most epic of all possible endings.
But, no, instead its a socially crippled pedotard getting ganged up on by internet bullies who didn't mean to be bullies and still kinda mostly don't realize that's what it's turned into.
It's kind of THE SADDEST THING EVER.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 18, 2013, 07:03:12 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 18, 2013, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
I totally hoped that for 250 pages.
Yeah, that would have been the most epic of all possible endings.
But, no, instead its a socially crippled pedotard getting ganged up on by internet bullies who didn't mean to be bullies and still kinda mostly don't realize that's what it's turned into.
It's kind of THE SADDEST THING EVER.
especially when they aren't shining examples of being respectful to women, themselves...
Quote from: Pixie on April 18, 2013, 07:20:48 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 18, 2013, 07:03:12 AM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 18, 2013, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
I know this isn't the way the universe works, but in my heart of hearts, I hope there's some guy on a forum somewhere saying, "Dudes, I'm trolling an entire fucking website with my Jacob The Retarded Stalker routine."
I totally hoped that for 250 pages.
Yeah, that would have been the most epic of all possible endings.
But, no, instead its a socially crippled pedotard getting ganged up on by internet bullies who didn't mean to be bullies and still kinda mostly don't realize that's what it's turned into.
It's kind of THE SADDEST THING EVER.
especially when they aren't shining examples of being respectful to women, themselves...
The fact that you two got this without my saying anything: why I still come here despite the abuse and Discordia not being "very nice at all."
I'm wondering if we all got the "stomach turn" feeling at the same exact point.
Here's the restructured condensed version in chronological order. http://jacobearog.tumblr.com/
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 19, 2013, 12:20:22 AM
Here's the restructured condensed version in chronological order. http://jacobearog.tumblr.com/
so many preemptively lost hours
:regret: