Sometimes, to provoke more indepth thoughts with something I'll see a number or a shape, or objects and I'll count them quickly and register it with this meaning full list.
0 - Nothing, Off
1 - Unity, Singularity, Consciousness, On
2 - Disassociate, Separation, Duality
3 - Truth :fnord:
4 - The Bigger Picture
5 - Protection
6 - Life, Carbon
7 - Significance
8 - Infinity "Nothing ( 0 ), with a twist( 8 )", life and sun worshiping
9 - Down side up six (anti life), Fluorine, Evolution, War, Conspiracy
Some of it makes sense.
Is this some kind of numerology thing, or is it more like a synaesthesia thing?
Numerology maybe, I don't know what that really means.
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 01:46:20 AM
Numerology maybe, I don't know what that really means.
Synaesthesia is when senses overlap, such as colors having a flavor or numbers having a personality, etc.
I don't know much about numerology except that it's about assigning other, non-numerical meaning to numbers.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 08, 2013, 01:40:47 AM
Is this some kind of numerology thing, or is it more like a synaesthesia thing?
I think I shall have to write a poem that uses "synaesthesia".
You sound like a candidate for kaballah.
I developed it about 8 months ago, maybe it's a bit like synaesthesia.
10 - Artificial Intelligence (on/off)
Quote from: six to the quixotic on February 08, 2013, 01:50:26 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 08, 2013, 01:40:47 AM
Is this some kind of numerology thing, or is it more like a synaesthesia thing?
I think I shall have to write a poem that uses "synaesthesia".
DO IT.
So, you'll see a "thing" find a way to count "things" on it, then use your system to think about it?
Isn't that a long-form version of the Law of Fives?
"So, you'll see a "thing" find a way to count "things" on it, then use your system to think about it?"
Yeah.
"Isn't that a long-form version of the Law of Fives?"
What?
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 02:01:55 AM
I developed it about 8 months ago, maybe it's a bit like synaesthesia.
10 - Artificial Intelligence (on/off)
It sounds a bit like synaesthesia. I have it with scents, flavors, and colors. A good friend of mine has it with numbers, too... for her, each number has a personality and a life story.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 08, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 02:01:55 AM
I developed it about 8 months ago, maybe it's a bit like synaesthesia.
10 - Artificial Intelligence (on/off)
It sounds a bit like synaesthesia. I have it with scents, flavors, and colors. A good friend of mine has it with numbers, too... for her, each number has a personality and a life story.
I'm starting to talk about poetry in terms of flavor and texture now. :eek:
It reminds me of reading cards with "spots", playing cards, Marseilles Tarot, stuff like that. Fairly close to some of the conventional interpretations, but not exactly.
Quote from: six to the quixotic on February 08, 2013, 02:16:27 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 08, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 02:01:55 AM
I developed it about 8 months ago, maybe it's a bit like synaesthesia.
10 - Artificial Intelligence (on/off)
It sounds a bit like synaesthesia. I have it with scents, flavors, and colors. A good friend of mine has it with numbers, too... for her, each number has a personality and a life story.
I'm starting to talk about poetry in terms of flavor and texture now. :eek:
ONE OF US, ONE OF US
Quote from: Wuli Fufu on February 08, 2013, 02:38:02 AM
It reminds me of reading cards with "spots", playing cards, Marseilles Tarot, stuff like that. Fairly close to some of the conventional interpretations, but not exactly.
yeah, Tarot incorporates a lot of numerology.
this number system helps my implicit memory, they kind of have a life of their own within my life experiences.
I break it down sometimes like...
42 is the meaning of life, 4 is the bigger picture of things, 2 is to dissociate... so I thought about the transition between death and the afterlife as the meaning of life.
666, 6 is life and carbon, and the truth is in 3's, this is a conspiracy with the bible stuff...
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 03:07:44 AM
this number system helps my implicit memory, they kind of have a life of their own within my life experiences.
I break it down sometimes like...
42 is the meaning of life, 4 is the bigger picture of things, 2 is to dissociate... so I thought about the transition between death and the afterlife as the meaning of life.
666, 6 is life and carbon, and the truth is in 3's, this is a conspiracy with the bible stuff...
It can be valuable to have systems that have personal meaning and significance, I think. It's part of the way we use symbolism to order the world.
So long as we don't ascribe innate meaning to the arbitrary associations we're constructing.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 08, 2013, 03:21:46 AM
So long as we don't ascribe innate meaning to the arbitrary associations we're constructing.
Yes, totally. Because it's just symbolism as part of an ordering system.
The problem I find with these systems is their ability to take on a life of their own and apply Is-ness to things it has no right to do so.
And you don't even realize it until you've lost all sense of reality.
Some lady posted on facebook last night that the power was off and there was no storm, so she wanted to know why. Said "time to pull cards".
CALL THE CITY, DERPINA.
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 01:39:40 AM
Sometimes, to provoke more indepth thoughts with something I'll see a number or a shape, or objects and I'll count them quickly and register it with this meaning full list.
0 - Nothing, Off
1 - Unity, Singularity, Consciousness, On
2 - Disassociate, Separation, Duality
3 - Truth :fnord:
4 - The Bigger Picture
5 - Protection
6 - Life, Carbon
7 - Significance
8 - Infinity "Nothing ( 0 ), with a twist( 8 )", life and sun worshiping
9 - Down side up six (anti life), Fluorine, Evolution, War, Conspiracy
Some of it makes sense.
Not to me. What the hell are you talking about? It's gabble.
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 03:07:44 AM
this number system helps my implicit memory, they kind of have a life of their own within my life experiences.
I break it down sometimes like...
42 is the meaning of life, 4 is the bigger picture of things, 2 is to dissociate... so I thought about the transition between death and the afterlife as the meaning of life.
666, 6 is life and carbon, and the truth is in 3's, this is a conspiracy with the bible stuff...
Except that 42 is not "4" and "2". It's "40" and "2".
Fucking mumbo jumbo rots your Goddamn brain. There are REAL mysteries and other assorted cool shit out there, without any need for staring at the wall and wanking over improperly manipulated numbers.
Jesus H Christ.
And "42" isn't the meaning of life. That's from a comedy novel.
Meaning of life:
Get enough to eat.
Have a place to sleep.
A modicum of security.
Don't eat more shit than you have to.
Saturday night.
If you choose to and are able to reproduce, add:
Spend time with your kids.
Hope they grow up happy.
Everything else is wankery.
This isn't numerically expressable, because humans aren't computers.
Hard Truths there, Roger.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 08, 2013, 05:06:43 AM
The problem I find with these systems is their ability to take on a life of their own and apply Is-ness to things it has no right to do so.
And you don't even realize it until you've lost all sense of reality.
That's true, as well. It depends on the perspective a person approaches it from. But if it's synaesthesia, it's an inherent property of the numbers for that person, so it's not really debatable OR particularly meaningful, any more than the fact that yellow smells like vinegar.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 03:22:25 PM
And "42" isn't the meaning of life. That's from a comedy novel.
Meaning of life:
Get enough to eat.
Have a place to sleep.
A modicum of security.
Don't eat more shit than you have to.
Saturday night.
If you choose to and are able to reproduce, add:
Spend time with your kids.
Hope they grow up happy.
Iff he's got all ^^that^^ reasonably covered
...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 03:22:25 PM
Everything else is wankery.
Is he allowed to do the wankery without ridicule?
i mean, it
could be that's
his Saturday Night.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 03:46:53 PM
Is he allowed to do the wankery without ridicule?
i mean, it could be that's his Saturday Night.
And my Saturday night involves losing my shit at mushy-headed thinking.
He has the right to speak freely. I have the right to respond in kind. And that was barking, not ridicule. If I was ridiculing him, you'd KNOW it.
:lol:
Heh... right after i posted that, it slapped me that poking that kind of wankery is your saturday night. :)
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 04:06:56 PM
:lol:
Heh... right after i posted that, it slapped me that poking that kind of wankery is your saturday night. :)
It isn't even poking.
It's a denouncement from the pulpit.
Look, the world is wierd. There's lots of cool weird shit to discover and roll around in with your pants around your ankles and a stupid grin on your face. To give THAT up in favor of contrived numerical manipulations and endless fappery with the law of 5s is a SIN BEFORE ERIS AND "Bob".
It is, in short, a waste of one's IRREPLACEABLE TIME ON THIS EARTH.
This isn't brain surgery. The human being is a primate. Primates seek patterns, even where no such patterns exist. If he wants to spend all his time drooling with the monkey brain running his human brain, then I'm not inclined to poke or ridicule him, I'm inclined to both wrath and more than a little pity.
I understand your sentiment.
i just don't think it's as objectively true as you do.
but then, one of my favored forms of wankery is pretension of detatched observation and suspension of judgement.
i don't know that i believe in the possibility of 'wasting' our time on this planet since i don't believe that we have a purpose.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 04:27:57 PM
I understand your sentiment.
i just don't think it's as objectively true as you do.
but then, one of my favored forms of wankery is pretension of detatched observation and suspension of judgement.
i don't know that i believe in the possibility of 'wasting' our time on this planet since i don't believe that we have a purpose.
We do have a purpose. I listed it above. Your purpose is to LIVE YOUR LIFE AND HAVE AS GOOD A TIME AS POSSIBLE.
SHAKE THAT!
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capacity. we have a capacity for that.
purpose implies intent.
i believe you have stated that you believe in some form of god or creator, perhaps?
that would explain your considering us to have a purpose evidenced by our capacity.
this is a matter of faith, though, as you have said before, right?
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 04:32:43 PM
capacity. we have a capacity for that.
purpose implies intent.
If you do not INTEND to have SATURDAY NIGHT and to EAT AS LITTLE SHIT AS POSSIBLE, then there's no helping you.
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i believe you have stated that you believe in some form of god or creator, perhaps?
that would explain your considering us to have a purpose evidenced by our capacity.
this is a matter of faith, though, as you have said before, right?
See, now you're mixing up religion and belief in a deity. Totally different subjects. I am preaching from religion, which has NOTHING TO DO with my beliefs in a higher being.
no. that was to say, purpose implies intent from a creator.
a hammer has purpose.
a rock has no purpose, (unless it is then made to be a hammer)
we have purpose iff we have a creator.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 04:44:51 PM
no. that was to say, purpose implies intent from a creator.
It bloody well does not. The creator can go find his OWN fun.
Quotea hammer has purpose.
a rock has no purpose, (unless it is then made to be a hammer)
Humans are neither rocks nor hammers. Analogy doesn't work.
Quotewe have purpose iff we have a creator.
I have a purpose anyfuckingway, and if the creator doesn't like it, he can meet me out behind the welding shed to discuss matters.
wait.... are we using the term 'purpose' in the same way that steve martin uses it in The Jerk?
:lol:
because, if that's the case, i concede. for, i too, have a special purpose.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 04:51:19 PM
wait.... are we using the term 'purpose' in the same way that steve martin uses it in The Jerk?
:lol:
because, if that's the case, i concede. for, i too, have a special purpose.
I am using it as "This is my purpose for existing. It is why I am here."
i can't tell over text how i'm supposed to take the tone here.
i don't know whether we're being flip, or serious.
if we're being serious, i'd ask, 'according to who?'. purpose is an assigned thing, and an externally assigned thing at that.
otherwise, it's just a capacity and a proclivity.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 05:20:21 PM
if we're being serious, i'd ask, 'according to who?'. purpose is an assigned thing, and an externally assigned thing at that.
I disagree.
And we aren't serious? I thought we were being serious. I was being serious.
I thought we were having a discussion about this.
i'm inappropriately not serious sometimes, so i need to ask. especially in txt.
so. the primary definition of purpose according to webster:
a : something set up as an object or end to be attained : intention
this is what i'm thinking of when i say 'purpose' in the context, of 'our purpose in life'. something external (i.e. a creator) is implied because if the intention, or setting up occurs within one's life, then it is not the purpose for the the totality of the life, or the reason for being here in the first place. it's simply a determination of 'here's what i'm gonna do from now on' which is significantly less significant than what is implied, in my estimation.
more like the secondary definition we see here:
b : resolution, determination
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 05:29:25 PM
i'm inappropriately not serious sometimes, so i need to ask. especially in txt.
so. the primary definition of purpose according to webster:
a : something set up as an object or end to be attained : intention
Sure. Doesn't say it has to be an external source.
Quotethis is what i'm thinking of when i say 'purpose' in the context, of 'our purpose in life'. something external (i.e. a creator) is implied because if the intention, or setting up occurs within one's life, then it is not the purpose for the the totality of the life, or the reason for being here in the first place. it's simply a determination of 'here's what i'm gonna do from now on' which is significantly less significant than what is implied, in my estimation.
more like the secondary definition we see here:
b : resolution, determination
No creator is necessary or implied. It is if you're talking about a hammer or a computer. We aren't hammers and we aren't computers. We have free will. Therefore, by the very definition of free will, we HAVE to set our own purpose. Nobody's gonna do it for us.
yeah... that's the secondary definition that i was saying seems well subordinate to what is generally meant when people say 'our purpose in life'.
also, if your purpose is something you define for yourself, then why would you project it onto anyone else? if they aren't conforming to your purpose, that doesn't make it a waste of their time on this planet.
wrath suggests that there is a slight. which only seems appropriate if you are thinking that his purpose is something other than what he assigns it to be...
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 05:55:12 PM
yeah... that's the secondary definition that i was saying seems well subordinate to what is generally meant when people say 'our purpose in life'.
also, if your purpose is something you define for yourself, then why would you project it onto anyone else? if they aren't conforming to your purpose, that doesn't make it a waste of their time on this planet.
wrath suggests that there is a slight. which only seems appropriate if you are thinking that his purpose is something other than what he assigns it to be...
Yep. You are correct. Right, then, I'll just wander off and allow the discussion about numerology get back on track.
I can't tell what the tone is here, again.
if i was offensive, or just a bore, i need to be hit over the head with a hammer. i'm kind of dense that way sometimes, and i thought we were having a discussion. (more interesting than the numerology, too)
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 08, 2013, 06:33:04 PM
I can't tell what the tone is here, again.
if i was offensive, or just a bore, i need to be hit over the head with a hammer. i'm kind of dense that way sometimes, and i thought we were having a discussion. (more interesting than the numerology, too)
The tone is that you're correct. That wasn't butthurt, you were simply correct about him being able to create his own purpose. I mean, that WAS my argument, right?
:lulz:
It's just that I have precisely zero interest in speaking with someone who thinks "42" is a "purpose". Either the person is profoundly damaged in some way, or is an asshat pinealist.
On the other hand, we've ran off sideways with that person's thread, and I think I should stop...Just because he's a nutter or a moron doesn't mean we should jack his thread.
meh... he can ask for a split to preserve the dignity of his thread, if he wishes.
and i apologize to you, 666, for the jack.
Quote from: 666 on February 08, 2013, 01:39:40 AM
Sometimes, to provoke more indepth thoughts with something I'll see a number or a shape, or objects and I'll count them quickly and register it with this meaning full list.
0 - Nothing, Off
1 - Unity, Singularity, Consciousness, On
2 - Disassociate, Separation, Duality
3 - Truth :fnord:
4 - The Bigger Picture
5 - Protection
6 - Life, Carbon
7 - Significance
8 - Infinity "Nothing ( 0 ), with a twist( 8 )", life and sun worshiping
9 - Down side up six (anti life), Fluorine, Evolution, War, Conspiracy
Some of it makes sense.
You know, the interesting thing about 3, and truth, is that in research, particularly social research, if you can support an assertion or concept through triangulation, you are basically considered to have established a "truth". Generally it means using three different kinds of research techniques. (e.g. - surveys, focus groups, and literature review).
So I think your association is pretty appropriate.
And I'm not thinking it is synesthesia, and probably more likely assiciations you've accumulated over the years. Kind of like I tend to associate certain smells or sounds with certain thoughts or feelings, it's because the first time I smelled that smell, or heard that sound, or that song, a certain occurrence, well, occurred.