OBVIOUS DISCLAIMER IS OBVIOUS: THE FOLLOWING BULLSHIT IS 100% CONJECTURE
It's a safe bet that the term "Great Filter" is already known to most of the people on this board, but because typing is fun, I'll give a brief explanation here anyway. Statistically speaking, based on a few safe assumptions dealing with the size and age of our galaxy, the prevalence of certain elements in the cosmos, and various things we know from the history of biological life on Earth, the universe should be teeming with alien life. Life should be more common than fat people at Wal-Mart. That there is life "out there" should be a safer bet than guessing that the neckbeard who lives across your street in his parents' basement listens to Rush and has at least one imitation Samurai sword. Our galaxy alone should be home to something like seventy quadrillion metric fuckshits of advanced civilizations. All the math that goes into this assumption is as sound as we can make it, and even Republican scientists are more or less certain of its truth.
The problem is, if our galaxy is so full of people, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY? We have no evidence of alien life anywhere, unless you listen to that asshole Georgio Tsoukalos or various hillbillies who can't tell the difference between a girlfriend and a cousin. Even considering the vastness of space, the relatively slow speed of electromagnetic wave-based communication, and our recently developed ability to eavesdrop on said communication, we should be receiving so many god damn artificially generated signals that talking to our own satellites should be like trying to tell the guy in the fishnet turtleneck whether you want X or acid at a Skrillex gig. But space is silent. Why?
There are a number of competing theories as to why this might be the case, from "your math is just wrong" to "they are there, they're just using some kind of communication we don't understand." But the funnest theory is the Great Filter, which basically says that life is common -- even intelligent life similar to ourselves -- but that some Awful Thing prevents it from achieving interstellar travel or communication. So there could be billions of worlds like earth, each of them infested with horrible little worms like us, but they are all quarantined by the Great Filter. Usually it is assumed that they end up blowing themselves up with nuclear weapons or something before achieving anything like what we dream about in Star Trek.
While nuclear or biological or chemical warfare is a perfectly plausible explanation, I don't think it is the right one. Humans, for example, have had a good 75 years with access to nukes, and we haven't killed ourselves off yet. And, what's worse, all signs point to our collective lack of being serious about playing with our best toys continuing indefinitely. No, we will not be sterilizing the planet, at least not on purpose. I think the Great Filter is much more sinister than just an innocent collective autocidal incident.
It comes down to what makes a society a society. In order to achieve what we call civilization, our species relies both on collective intelligence and individual ingenuity. We must be able to function cognitively at a high level as distinct members of the whole, as well as to communicate with each other and our progeny efficiently in order to maintain the systems and infrastructure we construct. The problem is that at a certain point in every successful civilization, the relative comfort and convenience afforded individuals leads to a breakdown of the "social instinct." It becomes acceptable and even prudent to put oneself before one's community, because the individual loses sight of the fact that a society, like any kind of team, only works when it works together as a unit.
Such breakdowns are apparent throughout history as the causes of all kinds of social decay and collapse. But the real Great Filter comes in when we consider what kind of sacrifices would be required from individuals if their civilization attempted to colonize the stars. It is a task of such magnitude and scale, economically and temporally, that it holds no real interest for the individuals who would need to contribute to it. Those who began the process would have no hope of seeing it even halfway through. Biological life does not allow for lifespans that would make it worthwhile to travel from our star system to another one, for colonization or any other purpose. In order to accomplish that task, we would have to completely eliminate the entire concept of "I" and become a new sort of life form, multi-multicelled organism. Not in a figurative sense, but a real, literal sense. An actual colony organism where the individual cells are completely disposable and expendable, where intelligence resides in an organ or a process that cannot be comprehended by any of the individual units.
And we are unwilling to even take small steps in that direction. We are all about ME ME ME and MY MY MY. MY stuff. MY money. MY taxes. MY rights. Humanity is horrible at cooperating for anything other than fighting off an existential threat, and even then that threat must be immediate enough to directly threaten individuals (see: climate change). We just don't do things on a scale large enough to leap from our star system to any other. I think it is because everything we have achieved is because we are wired for individualism, and that wiring prevents us from achieving anything of any magnitude larger than maybe a planetary government (which will of course be a government of self-interested assholes that exists to facilitate the marginally interesting lives of other self-interested assholes).
So that is the Great Filter. That we are constitutionally prevented from shedding our egos to accomplish a task we can only dream of because we have egos.
Or something.
That's an interesting hypothesis.
It's also possible that because all matter in the universe is approximately the same age, that all life in the universe is also all approximately the same age and at the same stage of development.
Quote from: Your Mom on September 18, 2014, 04:53:56 AM
That's an interesting hypothesis.
It's also possible that because all matter in the universe is approximately the same age, that all life in the universe is also all approximately the same age and at the same stage of development.
I think that's a stretch, to be honest. First, there are a number of factors that have both sped and slowed our own development. Climactic changes, the fact that we have large pools of nearly ready-to-use fuel hanging around at depths we can easily drill to, an absence of multiple competing (and genetically incompatible) top-of-the-food-chain predators, for example. We also know (or are pretty sure) that our own planet is about 1/3 the age of the universe in general, and that there are many far more ancient planets. There were star systems complete with planets billions of years before our sun ever sparked into being. There's no guarantee that other intelligences would develop at a rate comparable to our own. They might be much smarter, or dumber (though that's hard to imagine). My
hypothesis pure amateur conjecture is that civilization itself requires a combination of individualism and collectivism where the emphasis is a little to high on individualism for viable interstellar civilization to ever be possible, or at least practical, but civilization is a prerequisite for even imagining such a thing.
Quote from: V3X on September 18, 2014, 05:01:13 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 18, 2014, 04:53:56 AM
That's an interesting hypothesis.
It's also possible that because all matter in the universe is approximately the same age, that all life in the universe is also all approximately the same age and at the same stage of development.
I think that's a stretch, to be honest. First, there are a number of factors that have both sped and slowed our own development. Climactic changes, the fact that we have large pools of nearly ready-to-use fuel hanging around at depths we can easily drill to, an absence of multiple competing (and genetically incompatible) top-of-the-food-chain predators, for example. We also know (or are pretty sure) that our own planet is about 1/3 the age of the universe in general, and that there are many far more ancient planets. There were star systems complete with planets billions of years before our sun ever sparked into being. There's no guarantee that other intelligences would develop at a rate comparable to our own. They might be much smarter, or dumber (though that's hard to imagine). My hypothesis pure amateur conjecture is that civilization itself requires a combination of individualism and collectivism where the emphasis is a little to high on individualism for viable interstellar civilization to ever be possible, or at least practical, but civilization is a prerequisite for even imagining such a thing.
Eh, I don't have it in me to go into it right now so I'll just say that there are reasons that it is perfectly plausible that other life in the Universe is of similar age, and there are also perfectly legitimate reasons to think that other planets that harbor life are very similar to our and have followed a similar path, mass extinctions and all. But I'm tired so I might just try to remember to come back to it at another time.
Let me amend that: life within the reachable Universe. The laws of physics governing our Universe causes there to be areas that are unreachable for us. For our purposes, they don't exist.
Let me take it a step further and propose that even if we did develop interstellar travel, it would be far more practical and economical, and probably have a better expectation of survival, to simply infect a big mass of frozen rocks with our DNA and jettison it out into space. I mean, if all that matters is perpetuating our DNA elsewhere in the Universe.
Just sayin'.
I'm sure there are many perfectly sane and reasonable reasons to expect such a thing, but I don't think those reasons are being all that careful to avoid making unnecessary assumptions just because we have only one example.
Quote from: Your Mom on September 18, 2014, 05:16:08 AM
Let me take it a step further and propose that even if we did develop interstellar travel, it would be far more practical and economical, and probably have a better expectation of survival, to simply infect a big mass of frozen rocks with our DNA and jettison it out into space. I mean, if all that matters is perpetuating our DNA elsewhere in the Universe.
Just sayin'.
Sure, but that wouldn't really
count in most people's minds, for exactly the reasons I gave in the OP. It isn't them experiencing it first-hand or second-hand, so it's unlikely to ever be a thing we do.
Quote from: V3X on September 18, 2014, 05:19:21 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 18, 2014, 05:16:08 AM
Let me take it a step further and propose that even if we did develop interstellar travel, it would be far more practical and economical, and probably have a better expectation of survival, to simply infect a big mass of frozen rocks with our DNA and jettison it out into space. I mean, if all that matters is perpetuating our DNA elsewhere in the Universe.
Just sayin'.
Sure, but that wouldn't really count in most people's minds, for exactly the reasons I gave in the OP. It isn't them experiencing it first-hand or second-hand, so it's unlikely to ever be a thing we do.
It's probably far more likely than actual interstellar travel, though. But if we get to that point... what, really, would even be the point? Why undertake something that is such a massive resource-drain using actual meat animals who will never experience the joys and rewards of finding new planets?
But here's another thought, which oddly you pooh-poohed the first time I mentioned it. Any solar systems with life-bearing planets that are near us enough to reach us within a time-span that might make it possible and/or worth their while from an ego-perspective are about the same age and stability as our own. That means that the geological processes of their planets have also recently chilled the fuck out enough (literally) to give the latest round of life forms a chance to maybe evolve high levels of intelligence complete with a sense of self. Now, lets look at a fairly simple rule in biology; if it can be shown that something
is, the most likely condition is that that condition is what is most likely. In other words, the unlikely is unlikely. That means that by virtue of existing, life is likely, and that life as we know it, having been observed, is already more likely than life that is unlike anything we've ever seen. While we don't
know, we can at least reasonably guess that we may, in fact, be fairly representative.
That's not a very sexy notion, though, so until/unless we actually meet spacefaring species, we will probably continue imagining them as unimaginably strange.
Just an aside, but the age of the universe in general does not promise a much-earlier earlier existence of solar systems with planets capable of sustaining life. The early Universe was probably a much more hostile place.
Quote from: V3X on September 18, 2014, 02:03:01 AM
OBVIOUS DISCLAIMER IS OBVIOUS: THE FOLLOWING BULLSHIT IS 100% CONJECTURE
It's a safe bet that the term "Great Filter" is already known to most of the people on this board, but because typing is fun, I'll give a brief explanation here anyway. Statistically speaking, based on a few safe assumptions dealing with the size and age of our galaxy, the prevalence of certain elements in the cosmos, and various things we know from the history of biological life on Earth, the universe should be teeming with alien life. Life should be more common than fat people at Wal-Mart. That there is life "out there" should be a safer bet than guessing that the neckbeard who lives across your street in his parents' basement listens to Rush and has at least one imitation Samurai sword. Our galaxy alone should be home to something like seventy quadrillion metric fuckshits of advanced civilizations. All the math that goes into this assumption is as sound as we can make it, and even Republican scientists are more or less certain of its truth.
The problem is, if our galaxy is so full of people, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY?
Gonna wander into theism, here.
Suppose you're God, right? And maybe you set all this shit in motion, from your Acme Big Bang Kit. And you create humans out of primates. There's the big addition; big fucking frontal lobes. And while you're napping, they start setting off hydrogen bombs in their own environment, like insane sea monkeys.
Do you run right out and make loads of other intelligent life forms, or do you quietly shove the whole mess into the garage and hope the wife forgets about your little experiment with not reading the directions? Sooner or later the monkeys will choke on their own shit or nuke themselves or maybe just get in the way of a comet, and the problem is solved...The universe is nice and quiet again, just like before you had that horrible idea on day 6.
So where the fuck are they? Still in the packing material, and that is right where they'll fucking stay.
Whilst it's statistically unlikely that we're the only civilization in the universe, it's also a logical fact that there would have to be a first. Just like there has to be someone who wins the lottery (only with much longer odds)
So maybe we are the only ones for the time being? Somebody has to be.
Or maybe everything else is already dead.
True equality means allowing even alien entities the capacity to be just as stupid and evil as you or I. Who would it really shock if the first trip to an alien world found plenty of evidence of civilisation.... a long while ago. If it's a statistical possibility that there's life galore out there, it's surely at least possible that there was lots, and they fucked it up just as much as we have/can/will do.
Nigel touched on a point that bears another look.
On one hand, the conditions that make up life as we know it (for the sake of brevity, we're not going to speculate about creatures that are other than carbon-based, or somehow exist in environments currently unfatyhomable) are
extremely rare. A brief look at what we can see of our galaxy seems to show that to be true.
On the other hand, you've got essentially an infinite universe. Simple probability
insists there should be life out there.
But Nigel has noted that there is a horizon.
Quote from: Your MomThe laws of physics governing our Universe causes there to be areas that are unreachable for us. For our purposes, they don't exist.
"Infinite universe" though it may be, we'll never know about it. Just on the other side of the horizon, there could be massive
Star Trek and
Firefly type civilizations that bounce from star to star. Maybe there's a solar system where five planets, reachable by nothing more clever than an
Apollo-type rocket, are habitible and serve as some galactic council. We'll never know, and they'll never know about us.
And when you start thinking probalilistically (is that even a word?), it's far more likely that there's unreachable life, rather than some sort of cataclysmic barrier to being an interstellar species.
I don't think our cosmic neighborhood is all that unique. There is life around, but not what we would consider intelligent. I would imagine the rest of the universe is similar.
However, if the multiple universes theory is true, then there is plenty of human life out there, and truly inaccessible to us.
In the multiple universe theory, we can be alone in the universe(s), and not alone, at the same time.
Spoooooooky....
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 18, 2014, 12:14:26 PM
Nigel touched on a point that bears another look.
On one hand, the conditions that make up life as we know it (for the sake of brevity, we're not going to speculate about creatures that are other than carbon-based, or somehow exist in environments currently unfatyhomable) are extremely rare. A brief look at what we can see of our galaxy seems to show that to be true.
On the other hand, you've got essentially an infinite universe. Simple probability insists there should be life out there.
But Nigel has noted that there is a horizon. Quote from: Your MomThe laws of physics governing our Universe causes there to be areas that are unreachable for us. For our purposes, they don't exist.
"Infinite universe" though it may be, we'll never know about it. Just on the other side of the horizon, there could be massive Star Trek and Firefly type civilizations that bounce from star to star. Maybe there's a solar system where five planets, reachable by nothing more clever than an Apollo-type rocket, are habitible and serve as some galactic council. We'll never know, and they'll never know about us.
And when you start thinking probalilistically (is that even a word?), it's far more likely that there's unreachable life, rather than some sort of cataclysmic barrier to being an interstellar species.
Probabilistically is a word, yes. Also, it's a philosophy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilism#Philosophy
However, after having interjected that rather pointless idea, I'd like to say that I think Vex's theory is a sound one... the problem in the scenario is us.
It would make sense that the Dunning-Kruger effect would also be present on a wide scale, not simply on an individual scale.
I think it's important not to overlook the scale of the detection problem. Even a galactic empire of hundreds of worlds is a very tiny and diffuse thing among the 'billions and billions'. More later. Gotta work.
The Fermi Paradox exists because all of the considerations about the rarity of conditions and the vastness of space have already been tabulated by people who are much smarter than I am, and life should still be so prevalent that we should be tripping over each other. Granted, some of the assumptions in those numbers are probably unfounded, just like the assumption some futurists make about Dyson Spheres and Civilization types based on how they use energy and where they get it from. But if the numbers are errant, they are probably too conservative, because they operate on assumptions about what is possible based only on what we already know to be possible.
Even if it is impossible to to achieve faster than light travel -- which we do not actually know to be a fact, our best science just says it would be very hard to do -- the universe and our galaxy itself have existed long enough for some intelligent species to have arisen and colonized the entire expanse the slow way. Even if our current technology can only hope to receive and identify artificially generated signals originating within an insignificant fraction of space, that fraction is still so incredibly huge that it should be filled with intelligent communications.
But that makes so many assumptions that essentially rely on our planet being in some way unusual in our immediate neighborhood. There is exactly zero reason to assume that we are anything but average. If we assume that we are average, and that the curve is narrow, not having encountered any other spacefaring creatures is perfectly logical by Occams Razor, without adding any mysterious forces.
Alternatively, and this may brush theology as well, earth is not average but a special case among worlds either by rarity of conditions or, perhaps, because it is cut off intentionally by some other intelligence. Maybe both.
I try to explore the concept of both in some of my tales.
The truth as far as I can tell is we don't know and may never.
The aliens are all partying and we aren't invited. :sad:
Conceptuality is one thing, probability is another.
Quote from: Your Mom on September 19, 2014, 12:50:13 AM
Conceptuality is one thing, probability is another.
There's that. :lol:
WHOLE ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS, DOGS. HUMANS DO NOT FIND ALIENS FOR SIMPLE FACT THAT HUMANS ARE BLIND TO 99.99% OF ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM. FUNCTIONALLY COMPLETELY DEVOID OF SENSES. YOU DO NOT SEE BLIND MAN ASK WHY THEY NEVER FIND WOMAN WHO IS PLEASANT TO LOOK AT, NO? IS SAME THING.
ALSO, EARTH IS QUARANTINE ON ACCOUNT OF CONTAGIOUS STUPIDITY.
Quote from: PANGO! on September 19, 2014, 03:58:24 AM
ALSO, EARTH IS QUARANTINE ON ACCOUNT OF CONTAGIOUS STUPIDITY.
I find this to be more and more manifest the harder I look.
I hate that phrase "Fermi Paradox" cos it suggests that there's some kind of paradox. Even though there's any number of perfectly simple explanations.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 08:23:34 AM
I hate that phrase "Fermi Paradox" cos it suggests that there's some kind of paradox. Even though there's any number of perfectly simple explanations.
I posted one, but it wasn't what people wanted to hear. :lulz:
The "We are God's mistake" theory.
Along the 'we are god's mistake' line there's the fun Sitchenesque theory that there's other life that made us to be labor proxies when they bitched up. Then we got out of hand.
I think this is likely BS, but I don't discount the theory as impossible. I just like the idea that humanity as we know it is the result of a labor dispute compromise and some Days of Our Lives drama among the 'gods'.
Humanity as some bio-industrial waste containment problem seems to fit our nature when I look around at the works of our 'civilization'. :fnord:
So far, I find Vex's theory most compelling.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 19, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
The "We are God's mistake" theory.
Well, yeah. One time I tried carving a statue out of wood, with no instruction.
It was so awful that I never tried again.
Sadly, this theory isn't that great at convincing people who don't believe in a sentient Creator-type thing.
But we've been down that road.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 19, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
Sadly, this theory isn't that great at convincing people who don't believe in a sentient Creator-type thing.
But we've been down that road.
I cannot be held responsible for the thoughts of such
optimists.
In any case, given the data, it works as well as anything else. "God didn't read the directions." The Christian bible says we were made in his image, which tells you two things:
1. He has one more rib than we do, due to scavenging the prototype for materials, and
2. HERPADERP, on a universal scale.
It also suggests that any aliens - who are NOT likely to look like us - are NOT in his image, and the very first thing we should do on contact is drop big rocks on the blasphemous things.
We are what grows on the petri dish that was left on the table.
We are the result of Fleming's messy laboratory.
Just remember: there are two things growing on this petri dish and we are not the mold, we are the staph bacteria.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 19, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
Sadly, this theory isn't that great at convincing people who don't believe in a sentient Creator-type thing.
But we've been down that road.
I cannot be held responsible for the thoughts of such optimists.
In any case, given the data, it works as well as anything else. "God didn't read the directions." The Christian bible says we were made in his image, which tells you two things:
1. He has one more rib than we do, due to scavenging the prototype for materials, and
2. HERPADERP, on a universal scale.
It also suggests that any aliens - who are NOT likely to look like us - are NOT in his image, and the very first thing we should do on contact is drop big rocks on the blasphemous things.
I have to admit, your way certainly sounds like more fun.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 19, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 19, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
Sadly, this theory isn't that great at convincing people who don't believe in a sentient Creator-type thing.
But we've been down that road.
I cannot be held responsible for the thoughts of such optimists.
In any case, given the data, it works as well as anything else. "God didn't read the directions." The Christian bible says we were made in his image, which tells you two things:
1. He has one more rib than we do, due to scavenging the prototype for materials, and
2. HERPADERP, on a universal scale.
It also suggests that any aliens - who are NOT likely to look like us - are NOT in his image, and the very first thing we should do on contact is drop big rocks on the blasphemous things.
I have to admit, your way certainly sounds like more fun.
And since the question is academic, then why NOT support interstellar jihad? If the bastards ARE listening to us, then that would be just one more reason for them to STAY WHERE THE FUCK THEY ARE and not bother us. We can already anal probe. Thousands of perverts do it every day; We don't need their help. So fuck those galactic perverts. They can go get their groove on somewhere else.
Come fucking around OUR trailer park, we'll fucking send you home in a garbage bag. Fuckers.
Quote from: PANGO! on September 19, 2014, 03:58:24 AM
WHOLE ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS, DOGS. HUMANS DO NOT FIND ALIENS FOR SIMPLE FACT THAT HUMANS ARE BLIND TO 99.99% OF ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM. FUNCTIONALLY COMPLETELY DEVOID OF SENSES. YOU DO NOT SEE BLIND MAN ASK WHY THEY NEVER FIND WOMAN WHO IS PLEASANT TO LOOK AT, NO? IS SAME THING.
ALSO, EARTH IS QUARANTINE ON ACCOUNT OF CONTAGIOUS STUPIDITY.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Another thing that occurs to me is that maybe they have Gods of their own, and all involved deities have good reasons to NOT allow the species to meet...The last thing THEY need is for us to compare notes and start REALLY paying attention to them.
Also, we have enough door-to-door evangelists without dealing with Space Mormons.
Gonna back out now. Sorry, V3X, didn't mean to kill the thread.
I'm not sure you killed it... After stating the supposed paradox, people came up with some responses, and, well, it seemed like it ended fairly naturally, except some doofus decided to make a meta-style comment on the life of the thread and is currently feeling a bit embarassed about it, to tell the truth.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 19, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
I'm not sure you killed it... After stating the supposed paradox, people came up with some responses, and, well, it seemed like it ended fairly naturally, except some doofus decided to make a meta-style comment on the life of the thread and is currently feeling a bit embarassed about it, to tell the truth.
No worries. :lulz:
I was basically just goofing. The God of the Gaps is alive and well and weighs a fucking ton on this particular issue.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 06:17:56 PM
Another thing that occurs to me is that maybe they have Gods of their own, and all involved deities have good reasons to NOT allow the species to meet...The last thing THEY need is for us to compare notes and start REALLY paying attention to them.
Also, we have enough door-to-door evangelists without dealing with Space Mormons.
:eek:
This got me thinking and I'm not sure what yet. It stirred something in the back of my brainmeats. This thread is not yet done I think. Mayhap I'll open a new one when whatever this is hatches. Or you'll never hear from me again. Could go either way.
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on September 20, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 06:17:56 PM
Another thing that occurs to me is that maybe they have Gods of their own, and all involved deities have good reasons to NOT allow the species to meet...The last thing THEY need is for us to compare notes and start REALLY paying attention to them.
Also, we have enough door-to-door evangelists without dealing with Space Mormons.
:eek:
This got me thinking and I'm not sure what yet. It stirred something in the back of my brainmeats. This thread is not yet done I think. Mayhap I'll open a new one when whatever this is hatches. Or you'll never hear from me again. Could go either way.
If they say ANYTHING about a "host" or "larvae", shoot them center mass right away. Headshots don't work.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 20, 2014, 12:45:33 AM
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on September 20, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 06:17:56 PM
Another thing that occurs to me is that maybe they have Gods of their own, and all involved deities have good reasons to NOT allow the species to meet...The last thing THEY need is for us to compare notes and start REALLY paying attention to them.
Also, we have enough door-to-door evangelists without dealing with Space Mormons.
:eek:
This got me thinking and I'm not sure what yet. It stirred something in the back of my brainmeats. This thread is not yet done I think. Mayhap I'll open a new one when whatever this is hatches. Or you'll never hear from me again. Could go either way.
If they say ANYTHING about a "host" or "larvae", shoot them center mass right away. Headshots don't work.
Fire is the great purifier sir!
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