That's it. I have had enough of Marvel's shit. They've killed Nightcrawler. My favorite X-Man. My favorite character, period. And the worst part is that in a couple years they'll just bring him back in some idiotic retcon. I have had fucking enough!
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/Nightcrawler-Death-1_02.jpg)
Starting out, I thought Marvel was getting better. They gave us Civil War, which was a truly brilliant series. Sure, it killed Captain America, another of my favorites, but they did it perfectly. They immortalized him Kennedy style. His death made fucking headlines! But of course instead of letting him rest in peace, they retconned him from the dead. You know how? They said that the bullet that killed him actually sent him back in time to World War II. A time travel bullet. So they can tell the story of Cap's fight against the Nazi's. Again.
I give up. Marvel has shat on every good character and storyline they have. For the past couple of decades they've recycled the stories from the sixties, over and over again. And now they've just gone into a retcon frenzy. They've desecrated the heroes I've loved since early childhood, and for that I will fucking watch them burn. :argh!:
Any comic fans present, don't hesitate to rant your hate at Marvel Comics. They've fucking earned it.
This might belong in Or Kill Me. I'll leave that up to the Admin folk. Move it if you think this belongs there.
Nightcrawler? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :cry:
I want to track down the writer and kill him with my bare hands.
Oh, they..they killed him?!?! :sadbanana:
For a second I thought you were saying they like, destroyed his character, and I thought you were referring to the movies. And I was going to say, you have to ignore the movies.
But, I don't keep up with any comics, even though I like them - and...FUCK. Nightcrawler was one of my favorites too.
QuoteFor a second I thought you were saying they like, destroyed his character, and I thought you were referring to the movies. And I was going to say, you have to ignore the movies.
But, I don't keep up with any comics, even though I like them - and...FUCK. Nightcrawler was one of my favorites too.
I didn't mind the movie version so much. It was palatable.
The worst part about them killing him is that they won't respect his death. They'll resurrect him in three years and any significance his death had will be lost. In comics, death is meaningless. Which is fucking infuriating.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 04:04:49 AM
They'll resurrect him in three years and any significance his death had will be lost. In comics, death is meaningless. Which is fucking infuriating.
But that's how they honor a character's importance, in their fucked-up way.
In other words, they kill him for a huge impact and then bring him back 'cause they realize OH SHIT NIGHTCRAWLER WAS COOL!
QuoteIn other words, they kill him for a huge impact and then bring him back 'cause they realize OH SHIT NIGHTCRAWLER WAS COOL!
Doesn't matter. They've also killed the Punisher and turned him into Frankenstein. The horror never ends.
Dude. They killed Nightcrawler months ago. LRN 2 COMIC BOOK.
I never even read comics but I still think Nightcrawler was awesome.
QuoteDude. They killed Nightcrawler months ago. LRN 2 COMIC BOOK.
I live in the sticks. No local comic shop. Also, haven't checked in on Marvel lately, been reading Ex Machina and Kick Ass.
Doesn't matter anyway. They still killed Nightcrawler.
Who specifically wrote the issue/series wherein lies the death? Maybe we should hate them more.
I always preferred DC. Especially since they launched Vertigo, and started recruiting talent from Fleetway. (Garth Ennis, Grant Morrison, Pete Milligan, Jamie Delano, Warren Pleece, Steve Dillon, Sean Philips, Philip Bond, Dean Ormston, Bryan Talbot, Duncan Fegredo, Brian Bolland, Will Simpson, Glen Fabry, etc)
Well it was either him, Cyclops or Wolverine.
How do I know? I have teh sources.
-Suu
"Industry Professional"
Quote from: Evan on August 11, 2010, 04:19:13 AM
Who specifically wrote the issue/series wherein lies the death? Maybe we should hate them more.
I think that one may have been all Chris Yost. And don't hate the penciler, they only do what Stan pays them for.
QuoteWell it was either him, Cyclops or Wolverine.
Cyclops then. Gladly.
I blame the writer sure, but Marvel the company has been doing this shit for way too long. This was just the last straw.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 04:25:16 AM
QuoteWell it was either him, Cyclops or Wolverine.
Cyclops then. Gladly.
Agreed.
Quote from: Doktor PrincessAnd don't hate the penciler, they only do what Stan pays them for.
I wasn't talking about the penciler, but the writer - or were you making a joke?
Or they could have had some guts and killed Wolverine off. For good this time. I don't think his healing factor would cover getting hurled into the sun.
Anything but Nightcrawler.
]I worked under pencilers for a while, they have to go through some shit between the writer and the producer, so never blame anything on them.
And even with the writers, a lot of times, especially with an arc, it's a collaboration between several and they have to come to a consensus. It's actually hard work. I mean, if the producer goes, "KILL SOMEONE IMPORTANT", the writers go, "Well, shit...pick a card." And then they argue for 3 months until they can pop out a draft and start laying into the penciler.
...On that note, I'm waaaay behind on MSY thanks to traveling and sewing. Yay.
Quote from: Doktor Plague on August 11, 2010, 04:32:26 AM
Or they could have had some guts and killed Wolverine off. For good this time. I don't think his healing factor would cover getting hurled into the sun.
Anything but Nightcrawler.
You should have seen me a few years back when they killed Psylocke. I wanted to write hate mail.
Wolverine's time is coming, much like Superman and Batman. :kingmeh:
Quote from: Doktor Princess on August 11, 2010, 04:34:56 AM
Wolverine's time is coming, much like Superman and Batman. :kingmeh:
I like Wolverine a lot more than either of those two.
I really like Batman. And they already killed him. Except they retconned it so he went back in time.
...Every post in this thread seems to be making me angrier.
Didn't they already kill Batman in "Red Reign"?
Obligatory mention of Jean Grey / Phoenix.
since we're talkin' bout superhero resurrections.
Superman was killed too.
So was Captain America...and a dozen others. I'm pretty sure that Wolverine also killed Rogue at one point in time.
That's what really bothers me. Death is meaningless in comic books. And without death, all the suspense is gone. I've been reading miniseries becuase in those at least people usually stay dead, and if they come back you're able to be surprised. Kurt will come back in three years maximum. Which is what is really enraging.
I was killed six times.... and only twice did I come back as a machine.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 11, 2010, 04:52:45 AM
I was killed six times.... and only twice did I come back as a machine.
2/3 of you deserved it. The other 1/3 had no inherent morality.
Where does he fall on the Sorting Algorithm of Deadness? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/SortingAlgorithmOfDeadness)
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 04:37:53 AM
I really like Batman. And they already killed him. Except they retconned it so he went back in time.
...Every post in this thread seems to be making me angrier.
Yeah, Batman's cool, he can mix it with the best of them, and he has no superpowers! And he's as mad as a bucket of frogs, but manages to stay out of Arkham! (mostly)
Batman is an asshole.
I'm serious. Look at the way he acts. People's parents get killed ALL the TIME, and they don't go on a mad vigilante spree. They cope.
On top of that, the amount of money he spends on "Bat gadgets" could stop more crime by just making poor neighborhoods wealthier, and improving schools.
And pretty much the entire rogues gallery exists in some form because of shit he did.
Face it, batman is a jackass. Fuck batman.
So what's he supposed to do? Just sit back and be a philanthropist? Not much Superhero plot fodder in signing cheques for good causes, is there? And the Wayne Foundation does lots of stuff like that anyway. And he even gave Judge Dredd as good as he got, in Judgement on Gotham.
And the rogues gallery? Batman isn't responsible for them being bad, just for them being caught, and taken to book! Batman is the Dark Knight, he sets the moral bar for the whole DC Universe, he's NOT just an asshole!
LOL, SOAP OPERAS COMIC BOOKS!
I thought that Daredevil, immediately post ressurection, was the best Marvel I ever read.
Really depressing, and his life is a mess (cause, you know, he was dead)
QuoteI thought that Daredevil, immediately post ressurection, was the best Marvel I ever read.
Ya, Daredevils now the leader of the Hand, an evil ninja cult.
QuoteI'm serious. Look at the way he acts. People's parents get killed ALL the TIME, and they don't go on a mad vigilante spree. They cope.
It stopped being about his parents along time ago. The reason Wayne became Batman was so that he could keep what happened to his parents from happening to other people. It's about protecting people rather than beating up bad guys to make himself feel better.
QuoteOn top of that, the amount of money he spends on "Bat gadgets" could stop more crime by just making poor neighborhoods wealthier, and improving schools.
He spends as much money on charity and restoration as he does gadgets. Besides, you don't fix a city like Gotham by just throwing money at it. In the days before Batman, the city was so corrupt, any charitable donations Wayne could use would have been stolen by public officials before it could actually do anything.
Quote
And pretty much the entire rogues gallery exists in some form because of shit he did.
And this one is just plain false. The closest thing is the Joker, and we're not even sure if the origin story in question (the Killing Joke) is what really happened.
Quote
Batman is the Dark Knight, he sets the moral bar for the whole DC Universe, he's NOT just an asshole!
THIS.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 02:35:27 PM
QuoteI thought that Daredevil, immediately post ressurection, was the best Marvel I ever read.
Ya, Daredevils now the leader of the Hand, an evil ninja cult.
QuoteI'm serious. Look at the way he acts. People's parents get killed ALL the TIME, and they don't go on a mad vigilante spree. They cope.
It stopped being about his parents along time ago. The reason Wayne became Batman was so that he could keep what happened to his parents from happening to other people. It's about protecting people rather than beating up bad guys to make himself feel better.
QuoteOn top of that, the amount of money he spends on "Bat gadgets" could stop more crime by just making poor neighborhoods wealthier, and improving schools.
He spends as much money on charity and restoration as he does gadgets. Besides, you don't fix a city like Gotham by just throwing money at it. In the days before Batman, the city was so corrupt, any charitable donations Wayne could use would have been stolen by public officials before it could actually do anything.
Quote
And pretty much the entire rogues gallery exists in some form because of shit he did.
And this one is just plain false. The closest thing is the Joker, and we're not even sure if the origin story in question (the Killing Joke) is what really happened.
Quote
Batman is the Dark Knight, he sets the moral bar for the whole DC Universe, he's NOT just an asshole!
THIS.
These are all the correct Batcycle.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on August 11, 2010, 08:01:37 AM
LOL, SOAP OPERAS COMIC BOOKS!
There I reasons why I'm always on and off reading them, I CANNOT AFFORD. Ohai Wikipedia.
It's a sad fate that beloved comic book characters have... death of characters HAS to happen once in a while, for the drama.
Sadly, for character deaths to be meaningful (and, you know, dramatic) it has to happen to a character that people care about. A bummer for fans of the character, but still necessary to good comic book stories.
And then, as the OP pointed out, we have this problem of characters always, always coming back in one way or another. Really popular characters are part of what keeps comic readers coming back and buying more, and I imagine* that trying to get people to start buying a whole new series about a new character that no one knows or cares about yet is a risky and often unsuccessful venture.
This has the unfortunate consequence of cheapening the dramatic value of killing off a character, since comic book readers by now are a jaded bunch. You could probably make money organizing betting rings around how long it will take for the company to bring the character back. The death of a character may make for one really good story arc in and of itself, but for long-time comic readers it just means they don't get to see any more of their favorite character's antics for however long it takes to ret-con them back into existence.
I'd be really frustrated if I were a writer for a long-running comic book series. Unlike, say, a novelist who can tell the story and wrap everything up in one book (or a four-part "trilogy"), I'd have to accept that anything I wrote was subject to the whims of comic book company execs, the twisted maze that is comic book history, and the vicious ret-conning of future writers for the series. Creative breathing space for that kind of writing must be incredibly slim, knowing that any drastic measures you take to make your story stand out from the rest is going to be bulldozed over by the demands of making money off a serial publication.
*I say "imagine" because all of this is pure speculation on my part
TPB, and only read stories that you have heard don't suck. Best way to deal with the infuriating aspects of the industry, aside from complete avoidance.
QuoteIt's a sad fate that beloved comic book characters have... death of characters HAS to happen once in a while, for the drama.
Sadly, for character deaths to be meaningful (and, you know, dramatic) it has to happen to a character that people care about. A bummer for fans of the character, but still necessary to good comic book stories.
I can deal with great character's dying. I was ecstatic when Cap died, because it was so perfect. As you said, the real problem is that they don't stay dead.
I think I'll just stick with self contained, miniseries, or recently created ongoing series. Fresher ideas and at least when people die, it's either permanent or the first time.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:03:24 PM
QuoteIt's a sad fate that beloved comic book characters have... death of characters HAS to happen once in a while, for the drama.
Sadly, for character deaths to be meaningful (and, you know, dramatic) it has to happen to a character that people care about. A bummer for fans of the character, but still necessary to good comic book stories.
I can deal with great character's dying. I was ecstatic when Cap died, because it was so perfect. As you said, the real problem is that they don't stay dead.
I think I'll just stick with self contained, miniseries, or recently created ongoing series. Fresher ideas and at least when people die, it's either permanent or the first time.
I've enjoyed Power Girl's current ongoing (currently 14 issues in, a TPB has been released compiling the first six, and I think the next six are coming soon). It's much more light-hearted and fun than a lot of superhero comics currently on the market, and I find the change refreshing. It inspired my change of forum identity to Vartox (I wasn't around, much less reading comics, to be familiar with his prior appearances in Superman).
Two questions:
Is Aunt May dead yet, and is Spider-Man still in college?
QuoteIs Aunt May dead yet
No. Kingpin had her shot, but Peter than sold his marriage to MJ to the Devil in exchange for her life.
QuoteSpider-Man still in college?
No, but he's still a broke bachelor living from paycheck to paycheck. Like he's been for the last thirty years.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
QuoteIs Aunt May dead yet
No. Kingpin had her shot, but Peter than sold his marriage to MJ to the Devil in exchange for her life.
QuoteSpider-Man still in college?
No, but he's still a broke bachelor living from paycheck to paycheck. Like he's been for the last thirty years.
Isn't it more like 50?
So did he graduate, or drop out?
He was IN college at one point, right? Or was that just in the movies?
QuoteIsn't it more like 50?
He graduated in the sixties. I only counted the years after he got out of college.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:03:24 PM
QuoteIt's a sad fate that beloved comic book characters have... death of characters HAS to happen once in a while, for the drama.
Sadly, for character deaths to be meaningful (and, you know, dramatic) it has to happen to a character that people care about. A bummer for fans of the character, but still necessary to good comic book stories.
I can deal with great character's dying. I was ecstatic when Cap died, because it was so perfect. As you said, the real problem is that they don't stay dead.
I think I'll just stick with self contained, miniseries, or recently created ongoing series. Fresher ideas and at least when people die, it's either permanent or the first time.
That's what I like about DC's Vertigo series. They do absolutely blinding series'.
There's long running stuff, like 'Lucifer', 'Transmetropolitan', 'Jonah Hex', 'Unknown Soldier', 'Sandman', 'The Invisibles', the peerless beauty of 'Animal Man', 'Doom Patrol', 'Black Orchid', 'Shade, the Changing Man', 'The Books of Magic', 'The Books of Death', The stunning 'Seekers into the Mystery', and my favourite long runner, 'Hellblazer'.
Then there are the absolute classic short runs, like 'Tank Girl', 'The Minx', 'Girl', 'Industrial Gothic', 'Egypt', 'True Faith', 'Vamps', 'House of Secrets', 'Gangland', 'Kid Eternity', and classic one offs, like 'Kill you Boyfriend'.
And re-runs of classic Vertigo stuff like 'Swamp Thing' 'Moonshadow' & 'Sandman' mini series, like 'The Kindly Ones' 'A Game of You' and 'The Sound of Her Wings'
And all the Vertigo Titles are suggested for Mature readers, so there's very little crossover with the mainstream DC Titles.
To be honest, since DC first launched it, I haven't sought out many Titles that fall outside Vertigo. Also, the predominance of British Artists and writers brings a gritty feel to the titles, that many American titles don't have.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
QuoteIs Aunt May dead yet
No. Kingpin had her shot, but Peter than sold his marriage to MJ to the Devil in exchange for her life.
And then they were transported to an alternate reality in which MJ also had powers. :kingmeh:
Quote from: Doktor Princess on August 12, 2010, 02:53:05 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
QuoteIs Aunt May dead yet
No. Kingpin had her shot, but Peter than sold his marriage to MJ to the Devil in exchange for her life.
And then they were transported to an alternate reality in which MJ also had powers. :kingmeh:
What, her own powerset or Spider-Man powers? If Spider-Man, did she develop them on her own or get them from Peter's radioactive semen? The same semen that killed her in Reign?
Aside from Batman Vertigo is about the only DC I read.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o29VoxtsFk
Is he strong? Listen, Bud, He's got Radioactive Blood!
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 12, 2010, 03:23:26 AM
Aside from Batman Vertigo is about the only DC I read.
Well it's like the Comics you read years ago, but all grown up. Animal Man was a total work of Art, some of the issues it dealt with, should have come across as Hippy Dippy bullshit, but the Pathos and Comedy Morrison, and then Jamie Delano managed to put in, is enough to bring a grown man to tears. Of Laughter, or Sorrow. And don't even get me started on HellBlazer. Or Sandman. Swamp Thing, although stodgy in places, gave us "The Secret Life of Plants". "Love and Death" And the introduction of John Constantine as a bit part. Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Garth Ennis, writers without parallel. Real stories. Real Literature. The birth of the Graphic Novel. Love it. Can't get enough.
I will start reading comic books again when they have heroes like this:
(http://imgur.com/XAe2z.jpg)
QuoteWell it's like the Comics you read years ago, but all grown up. Animal Man was a total work of Art, some of the issues it dealt with, should have come across as Hippy Dippy bullshit, but the Pathos and Comedy Morrison, and then Jamie Delano managed to put in, is enough to bring a grown man to tears. Of Laughter, or Sorrow. And don't even get me started on HellBlazer. Or Sandman. Swamp Thing, although stodgy in places, gave us "The Secret Life of Plants". "Love and Death" And the introduction of John Constantine as a bit part. Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Garth Ennis, writers without parallel. Real stories. Real Literature. The birth of the Graphic Novel. Love it. Can't get enough.
Hmm. Well, all of THIS.
This whole thing has Quesadas filthy stench all over it.
:argh!:
Marvel in "fucking over its fanbase, who nevertheless continue to buy their comics thus allowing Marvel free reign, knowing full well their customers are useless lumps who will only bitch and moan, not take their money elsewhere" shock story.
Quote from: Doktor Plague on August 12, 2010, 03:22:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Princess on August 12, 2010, 02:53:05 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
QuoteIs Aunt May dead yet
No. Kingpin had her shot, but Peter than sold his marriage to MJ to the Devil in exchange for her life.
And then they were transported to an alternate reality in which MJ also had powers. :kingmeh:
What, her own powerset or Spider-Man powers? If Spider-Man, did she develop them on her own or get them from Peter's radioactive semen? The same semen that killed her in Reign?
Okay, this totally makes me think that comic book writers have been watching too much goddamn Dragonball Z, or vice versa.
Quote from: Kai on August 12, 2010, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Plague on August 12, 2010, 03:22:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Princess on August 12, 2010, 02:53:05 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
QuoteIs Aunt May dead yet
No. Kingpin had her shot, but Peter than sold his marriage to MJ to the Devil in exchange for her life.
And then they were transported to an alternate reality in which MJ also had powers. :kingmeh:
What, her own powerset or Spider-Man powers? If Spider-Man, did she develop them on her own or get them from Peter's radioactive semen? The same semen that killed her in Reign?
Okay, this totally makes me think that comic book writers have been watching too much goddamn Dragonball Z, or vice versa.
It has more to do with Joe Cheesy Quesadilla than anything.
Joes mom died of cancer therefore he idolizes mother figures(Aunt May)
Joes wife divorced him therefore he hates women(MJ)
OMD is basically this really messed up fantasy of Joes where he could somehow get rid of his wife and bring back his mom in one fell swoop.
It also had some rather wall banging stupidity to it. When Aunt May gets shot Peter goes and asks for help from
Dr.Strange(The most powerful sorcerer in the world)
Loki(As in the NORSE GOD Loki)
Elixir(A character whos main power is healing and whom I once saw heal a nasty case of GETTING YOUR HEART FUCKING RIPPED OUT OF YOUR CHEST)
Mr. Fantastic(Who has built time machines from scrap on a minutes notice)
But none of these people can heal BULLET WOUNDS.
It also retconed the part of Civil War where Peter unmasked himself on national TV. Which is particularly bad because Joe said when it happened that it wouldnt be undone by a "Magic Retcon" WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
ALL OF MY HATRED
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quesada is the best troll ever.
Quote from: Kai on August 12, 2010, 12:26:48 PM
Okay, this totally makes me think that comic book writers have been watching too much goddamn Dragonball Z, or vice versa.
No it's more like, how do you call that thing in Biology, when different species evolve the same traits independently because their environments are similar and it's an attractive dip in the fitness landscape.
In this case the environment factors are money, greed and a loyal fanbase, or something.
They don't need to watch eachother, everywhere they come up with the same shitty ideas all by themselves. Isn't nature grand? ;-)
Also, COME ON PEOPLE,
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 11, 2010, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 03:51:19 AMMy favorite character, period.
:rimshot:
My favourite character,
Period: Raised in a family of communist spies, his mother Com Ma taught him to be a vigilante outlaw avenger, breaking into the cells of convicted criminals to put a Full Stop to their Sentences. Known for his catchphrase, "No time for last words now.". In some series he is accompanied by a hyperactive goofball sidekick, known as Exclamation Mark.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 12, 2010, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Kai on August 12, 2010, 12:26:48 PM
Okay, this totally makes me think that comic book writers have been watching too much goddamn Dragonball Z, or vice versa.
No it's more like, how do you call that thing in Biology, when different species evolve the same traits independently because their environments are similar and it's an attractive dip in the fitness landscape.
In this case the environment factors are money, greed and a loyal fanbase, or something.
They don't need to watch eachother, everywhere they come up with the same shitty ideas all by themselves. Isn't nature grand? ;-)
A sort of convergence?
Yes, that's the word :)
Marvel, is to Vertigo, as The Da Vinci Code, is to Foucalts Pendulum.
marvel is to vertigo, as amazement is to sudden dizzyness.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 12, 2010, 09:26:33 PM
marvel is to vertigo, as amazement is to sudden dizzyness.
:lulz: :lulz:
I quit reading marvel when the brought Wolverine back after he had the adamantium sucked out of him by Magneto. I relapsed briefly for Age of Apocalypse, and Deadpool vs Cable, but in general Marvel is trashy and not worth reading.
Now I'm older, and I read pretentious indie comics, 3rd party comics, or oldschool pulp comics like Conan or Solomon Kane.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 11, 2010, 04:37:53 AM
I really like Batman. And they already killed him. Except they retconned it so he went back in time.
...Every post in this thread seems to be making me angrier.
Its not a retcon if he dies and comes back in the next issue, retcon implies a realization that it was a mistake and going back on it at a later date.
Besides his personality death (Batman RIP) was far more interesting and is still being delt with.
Basically nothing currently running in marvel is worth reading. All its events are terrible (that includes civil war).
The same goes for DC with about one or two exceptions, and they are all batman related.
Vertigo and independant comics are where its at.
All of you need to give me your lunch money or you're getting a swirly.
My Teacher says that Bullys are just sad, frightened victims of Pedobear, and we should pity them. So here's my lunch money, I wasn't hungry anyway.
Quote from: Faust on August 14, 2010, 07:50:42 PM
Basically nothing currently running in marvel is worth reading. All its events are terrible (that includes civil war).
The same goes for DC with about one or two exceptions, and they are all batman related.
Vertigo and independant comics are where its at.
Someone hasnt been reading Blackest Night.
Blackest Night actually has been full of stupid exec bullshit, but its totally overshadowed by the awesomeness of LARFLEEZE.
Quote from: Kingderp on August 15, 2010, 05:48:28 AM
Quote from: Faust on August 14, 2010, 07:50:42 PM
Basically nothing currently running in marvel is worth reading. All its events are terrible (that includes civil war).
The same goes for DC with about one or two exceptions, and they are all batman related.
Vertigo and independant comics are where its at.
Someone hasnt been reading Blackest Night.
Blackest Night actually has been full of stupid exec bullshit, but its totally overshadowed by the awesomeness of LARFLEEZE.
Blackest night was awful. However its lead up The Sinestro Corps war was incredibly well written. I know Larfleeze is a popular new character but he brought slapstick humour to a story that was supposed to be bleak. In short they had no fucking idea what they were doing for that story.
But then, they never do for big superhero events.
There's a lot of talk about Vertigo and not enough of Preacher
Only marvel I get is ones wrote by stephen king, stand & dark tower
tho I got the trojan war issue with eris, history series was done much better by archaia comics
Skrull invasion was a nice breath of air,
dark regin beast was great... rest in that series yawn.
Preacher is Vertigo, unless we're talking about a different Preacher. Nah, there can't be more than one of him.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 11, 2010, 08:54:16 PM
That's what I like about DC's Vertigo series. They do absolutely blinding series'.
There's long running stuff, like 'Lucifer', 'Transmetropolitan', 'Jonah Hex', 'Unknown Soldier', 'Sandman', 'The Invisibles', the peerless beauty of 'Animal Man', 'Doom Patrol', 'Black Orchid', 'Shade, the Changing Man', 'The Books of Magic', 'The Books of Death', The stunning 'Seekers into the Mystery', and my favourite long runner, 'Hellblazer'.
Then there are the absolute classic short runs, like 'Tank Girl', 'The Minx', 'Girl', 'Industrial Gothic', 'Egypt', 'True Faith', 'Vamps', 'House of Secrets', 'Gangland', 'Kid Eternity', and classic one offs, like 'Kill you Boyfriend'.
And re-runs of classic Vertigo stuff like 'Swamp Thing' 'Moonshadow' & 'Sandman' mini series, like 'The Kindly Ones' 'A Game of You' and 'The Sound of Her Wings'
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 07:17:31 PM
Preacher is Vertigo, unless we're talking about a different Preacher. Nah, there can't be more than one of him.
I enjoyed Preacher very briefly, then it sort of devolved into splatterporn.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 16, 2010, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 07:17:31 PM
Preacher is Vertigo, unless we're talking about a different Preacher. Nah, there can't be more than one of him.
I enjoyed Preacher very briefly, then it sort of devolved into splatterporn.
Volume two with the mother is one of the best comic stories I have read. The rest of the series was ok until the very end which just kind of sucked.