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Chaos = the whole.  Because its the sum of order and disorder, both being experienced as part of the larger state of the universe.

Order = something which has a pattern we can grasp.
Disorder = something that does not have a pattern we can grasp (yet).

Very few esoteric interpretations have ever lead to fanaticism.  In fact, only one comes to mind, the Assassins.

I thought both were dead?  Didn't Hill die nearly 7 years ago?  And we know Thornley is dead (or in a secret CIA prison, so basically the same).

I light a cigarette, because I can't sleep.  Dirty habit I picked up, but I rarely do it at all, so I don't feel too much guilt.  Once again its past midnight and I'm still up, my mind buzzing away long after it should.

I'm outside with the cold air, just a light breeze really, brushing against my face as I look towards the town at night.  Its pretty inviting, the desire to just walk over, as the last few stragglers are making their way home and do...something.  I used to, not that long ago even, but I'm not in the mood tonight, I can't summon the will to raise hell at the drop of a hat like I once did.

I take another drag, with my mind still putting in the overtime.  Did last night's little escapade affect anything?  Well, apart from half a dozen enraged Marxists and some very startled bar staff?  In the heat of the moment, the planning and execution, it all seems so...perfect.  But then the down hits you as always, when you watch them scurry away, not laughing at something any objective person would consider hilarious and carefully rebuild their fractured little world.

And of course, this has even less of an effect at a level I want it to.  Something would be nice to work with, some degree of infamy, a truly 100% deserving target, anything.  Something I can work up from.  Of course, the only area I do have any influence is the one where I can't use it...hows that irony for you? 

I could just watch TV or a film.  But there's nothing there to interest me.  Not much can consume me and wear me out any more...people are starting to notice, too.  They assumed I was just being an elitist snob when I expressed no interest in the latest reality TV program or new teen drama.  And I probably am, but its extended to the point that the entire media has alienated me.  Its not even disgust, its just one just wave of apathy, can't give a fuck-ism.  Sitting there and letting something else dictate my thoughts so totally, homogenizing my thinking with the rest of society...its an overreaction, but its still against much of what I stand for.

So little to do in this dead end town.  Little clubs, with their little committee meetings and careful planning, their votes which no-one ever dissents on but give that gloss of democracy to the ego-driven devices and qualifications to add to their CVs.  I knew I should have gone to a city, somewhere where the town doesn't shut down once 11pm rolls around.

But still, I've nearly worked myself to the state of tiredness I need to get some sleep.  Sure, its nearly 1am, and I need to be up early tomorrow, but I'll survive, somehow.  I always do.

A clip around the ear and being told to get back to my multiplication tables.  Apparently you can't do that now, but you couldn't do it back then either.....welcome, by the way.

Just started today.   

there's the mathematical one that means no more than "small difference in initial conditions shall have large difference in conditions over time (growing exponentially over time in fact)"
which may be applied to "living in a chaotic world"
but i don't quite see how that fits to "an entire country rounded up" type chaos?

Because it works from a small misinterpretation of how the world works, added on another, added on another etc etc until it builds up a momentum all of its own and could likely never be stopped without a major change in history as we know it.

And good stuff from Silly too.  Of course, some scientists have actually sat down and figured out this sort of stuff and while what he (Silly) says may look depressing, there is still area for much creativity, especially in artistic fields.

I don't differentiate.  Chaos is chaos, whatever subjective moral terms you want to label it with.  You get something wrong, but you come up with a great new idea for a novel or play doing it.  Sometimes, you get it wrong and an entire country is rounded up and put in concentration camps.  One is good and the other bad, but both are the results of living in a chaotic world where the truth is uncertain.

OK, this is how I see it relating.

Everyone has an idea, series of ideas or concepts that try and explain how the world works, in order to manipulate it better, as well as represent reality.  This is nothing new, we know this.

However, these ideas are often incomplete and many social/cultural reasons can affect which we decide to accept or reject.

Because of this, we have many, often unconnected and misunderstood ideas floating around and causing conflict and disorder.  Disparity exists between the world as it actually is, the world as we think it is (or wish it to be) and the interaction of opposing agents holding hostile concepts.

Chaos exists because of the BIP. 

mostly because it has to do with chaos mahdqick, i guess
and because it invokes lol23fnordism in people
and perhaps because randomly invoking chaos everywhere maybe isn't really considered a good idea by most on this board?

As far as I'm concerned, Chaos has nothing to do with magic or the occult.  Or at least, nothing more than anything else.

It can do....sometimes.  I'm pretty sure we can have a rational conversation of chaos, but I admit I have been soured by the "chaos is about cute little animals and just wants us to be friends and all get along in the happy anarchy" crap which is about as misinformed as most of the New Age movement.

Probably not, but it happens anyway.

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maybe the better question is, what does all this still have to do with Chaos?
which is, on this board, quite a neglected bit from discordianism.
mostly because it has to do with chaos mahdqick, i guess
and because it invokes lol23fnordism in people
and perhaps because randomly invoking chaos everywhere maybe isn't really considered a good idea by most on this board?

I think this deserves a new thread.  Mind if I split?

Basically, the ideas came from us rediscussing the lessons of the Principia Discordia.  Like LMNO said, the "grids" and stuff.

I personally see it as extending Discordianism along other lines of enquiry.  You can sit around going on about the intricacies of Chaos all day, but it does get rather tedious after a while.  And there are always other areas to explore....

Its a swote term.

http://www.righteouswarriortemple.org/New%20Folder/arcont.htm

Worth reading.  The book itself may still be available.

She still talked absolute crap about the free market tho/