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Principia Discordia => Principia Discussion => Topic started by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 02:53:34 PM

Title: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
I hate the word "Evangelism". It carries the connotation of every preachy, condescending, holier than thou, fundamental, dogmatic zealot.

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THAT BEING SAID

There are probably less than a thousand of us in the world. And by "us" I mean people who identify, at least in part, with Eris. A lot of you would never call yourselves a Discordian outright, but let's be straight, all of us are Discordians.

But yeah, there aren't that many of "us"

but I think that's largely a product of exposure




can you imagine what it'd be like if there were like ten thousand of us?

            and they were all out pranking and jaking together
            spreading the HORRIBLE TRUTH     ?


oh, the things we could do! The FUN we could have!



The INFORMATION AGE is in full swing. If we could Organize ourselves a little, (gasp!) I don't think it would be hard to clue people in that they've been Discordians all along. There's scads of people out there who are hip to Frequency-23, they just don't know it yet. Our zen-lunatic irreligion actually has quite a bit to offer to the confused post-moderns of the early 21st century.

So let's talk about RECRUITMENT, whatever it means to you. How to spread the Good Word (http://blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Good_Word) without becoming the preachy fucks we hate so much in other religions.

Would the world be better if there were more Discordians? Not fucking likely! But it sure would be more "Discordian".


I am starting a cabal right now, a group of people who play a game where we expand the Discordian Society.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 09, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
I like this. 

I used to get together with a bunch of discordians, but we could never get together on exactly what we should be doing, apart from something obvious, like PosterGASM... this would be an interesting project.

Cram, if I know you, and I think I do, you probably already have scads of ideas on how to get the ball rolling... Care to indulge me?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
Hell yeah:


1) foster a participatory culture. People get a lot more invested in an idea if they did something for it which involved getting out of their computer chair. Stuff like POSTERGASM and jake day, where lonely crazed individuals can participate in larger pranks. In short: constantly start new, fun "DISCORDIAN ACTIVITIES". If participation documents itself (such as uploading media to the internet), even better.



2) create new traditions and document participation in them. Moosemas, the Erister Egg Hunt, and the Day of Discord are great examples of new Discordian traditions. I think we should pimp these out as if they're real fucking holidays, giving us the illusion of having ongoing traditions. This gives Discordians some vaguely common experiences, which is a building point for any culture.



3) create and distribute tracts, pamphlets, and posters which summarize different aspects of Discordia in an attractive, humorous, thought provoking way. Intermittens, the Black Iron Prison, and this thread (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21920.0) are good starts, but we need moar!

3a) create tracts which are aimed at certain slices of the population who might be hip to our ideas. Discordia for atheists. Discordia for christians. Discordia for pot smokers ("pass this card on to someone you smoke with"). These tracts should appear to come from within the said subculture, but point towards ours.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 03:27:44 PM
also--

4) do something which causes Discordia to be mentioned on a mainstream media outlet. We could actually try to do something which makes the news, or we could try the disinformation / fake news angle and bruteforce our way in. The illusion (or reality) of there being an actual Discordian Society is critical to this.

I was watching the bonus material on the DVD for "The Number 23", and we do get a mention. But they call us "twenty-thirdians". This is the last time I've seen Eris pop up in the mainstream other than a very subtle shout out.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 03:27:44 PM
also--

4) do something which causes Discordia to be mentioned on a mainstream media outlet. We could actually try to do something which makes the news, or we could try the disinformation / fake news angle and bruteforce our way in. The illusion (or reality) of there being an actual Discordian Society is critical to this.

I was watching the bonus material on the DVD for "The Number 23", and we do get a mention. But they call us "twenty-thirdians". This is the last time I've seen Eris pop up in the mainstream other than a very subtle shout out.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/181520/htc_droid_eris_a_solid_alternative_to_the_motorola_droid.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/181520/htc_droid_eris_a_solid_alternative_to_the_motorola_droid.html)

HTC is just asking for it....
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Jenne on December 09, 2009, 04:26:55 PM
"23rd-ians"?  That's just...uh...lame, for lack of a better word.  And lazy.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 04:46:43 PM
CONVERT BY THE BOOK OR THE SWORD!  RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRG!
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Every man, woman and child is already a Discordian, so really its not a conversion... its a Revelation.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 04:58:25 PM
yes. so what's the best way to do it? you guys have any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 04:59:40 PM
Without it slipping into dogma and marketing?  I dunno.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:07:52 PM
Do you think the above ideas are dogmatic?

and what do you mean "slipping into marketing"? Everything we produce for others to read is a form of marketing.


Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?



In any case, I'm a bored young adult with delusions of grandeur, so I'm behind nearly any plan to accomplish Big Things (as long as those things are funny). My vote is to focus on the War on Christmas; that will be our first battle and winning it (victory conditions are, in this case, popular and media attention) will generate both interest and energy which we can then direct towards other goals.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Every man, woman and child is already a Discordian,

Balls.  There's a subtle difference between "serving discordianism" and "being a discordian".
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 05:10:10 PM
I'd like to see where this goes, so I'll keep my criticisms to myself.


Also, Cainad: please don't speak for me, 'k?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 05:10:10 PM
Also, Cainad: please don't speak for me, 'k?

What? My post had nothing to do with your comment, or at least I didn't intend for it to. It was based on what I've witnessed in past discussions of this type.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us then we have to be leading the way to somewhere they want to go. Or appear to be, etc, etc.


Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

I imagine this site with 10 times as many people with 10 times as many posts, and I wonder how the community could maintain its current identity. I guess it wouldn't, and perhaps that isn't even a terrible thing. I dunno, just thinking aloud really.

Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

No.

Why do you have such a low opinion of us?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Someone is thinking it's still 2005, ITT.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

No.

Why do you have such a low opinion of us?

Maybe I'm suffering from false memory, but it's the sort of thing I expect to eventually happen in discussions about this sort of thing.

In retrospect, it happens more often when the discussion is about using PD.com, specifically, as a hub for Bigger And Weirder activities, which isn't necessarily what this is about.

Sorry to be a downer and put a damper on the conversation. My bad. :sad:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Someone is thinking it's still 2005, ITT.

I'm all about evangelism...hell, it's why I post on 23ae (so newcomers will have an alternative to Uncle BadTouch's heresies).

It's just that we'll have to batten down the hatches for the inevitable influx of people who don't quite understand the concept.  In fact, I am going against my nature, and coming up with better responses than "die in a burn ward" for the arrival of pinealists.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
This is the part where people start threatening to Flounce From Discordianism 4-EVAR if it becomes anything larger and more dynamic than a tiny goofball brigade with big ideas and even bigger excuses not to realize those ideas, n'est-pas?

No.

Why do you have such a low opinion of us?

Maybe I'm suffering from false memory, but it's the sort of thing I expect to eventually happen in discussions about this sort of thing.

In retrospect, it happens more often when the discussion is about using PD.com, specifically, as a hub for Bigger And Weirder activities, which isn't necessarily what this is about.

Sorry to be a downer and put a damper on the conversation. My bad. :sad:

The only time I ever got pissy about it was the whole Big Boards fiasco (and yes, I know you had nothing to do with that assbaggery).  It wasn't what was happening that was the problem, it was the motivation behind it.  Everything went all Pink for a moment.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?

If people follow me, they're gonna run out of gas before we get anywhere!
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
23ae is the tip of the iceberg. In many ways, it's preaching to the choir. People who read 23ae already know about Discordia. In the long term, 23ae could be a great springboard from "I've read part of the PD" to "This sounds like fun, let's apply some of this craziness in meatspace".

For the purposes of this thread, I'm more interested in fresh audiences -- people who have never heard of Discordia.


I'd like to invoke the sentiment vexati0n expressed here: http://disc0rd.com/node/31

QuoteWe've got distaste for the Status Quo down to a science around here, and most of us aren't lacking in a general nonspecific desire to change things whether on a large scale or just locally. Many of us have taken to the streets in furtherance of various GASMs, so I don't think we lack motivation, dedication, or determination.

But we are, generally speaking, easily jaded and thoroughly cynical. We tend to think larger goals are either unacheivable or pointless. Either the task is too hard or it's too inconsequential; it's either impossible to change the world or such change is meaningless because it is corruptible.

This is complete horse shit, even if it is true. Of course any change we can make is corruptible. That's why we're HERE, because an idea that started out promising and new has become an entrenched, corrupted, stale, sour, and rotten System. That's why ten or ten thousand years from now, someone will be around to get rid of OUR stupid ideas.

The Discordian Community itself has become corrupt. Maybe it hasn't been mass-marketed or pre-packaged yet, but we have been sold out for some time on the idea that the ultimate goal of a philosophical revolution should be a static Utopia where everything is perfect.

History is not driven by periods of calm stability, but by tumultuous sequences of upheaval and cultural wreckage. It is only after the established order is demolished that a better order can be established. Discordians, I fear, are sometimes worried about what would happen if we DID ultimately bring down the entire System. We are concerned about what we would do after that. But it isn't our job to put the pieces back together, it's our job to tear them apart.

Discordia isn't about being there, it's about GETTING there. That's the function of the Discordian Society.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 09, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
Well, shit.  I went to 23ae because it seems that it's where a lot of new people find Discordianism.

Should we start poaching on the Myspacers?  We'll need air freshener, and a staff of jizz moppers, of course.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
I've begun evangelizing these last few weeks at Capitol Grilling, which is full of burned out, disillusioned politics junkies.  They've finally realized that it's turtles all the way down, so they are ripe for harvest.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".


Okay.  What's a discordian line of thought?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
I've begun evangelizing these last few weeks at Capitol Grilling, which is full of burned out, disillusioned politics junkies.  They've finally realized that it's turtles all the way down, so they are ripe for harvest.

it is where a lot of new people find discordianism. But how do they find 23ae?

there aren't a lot of leads out there which point to us

we're a really obscure joke


I just want to lower our obscurity


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
I've begun evangelizing these last few weeks at Capitol Grilling, which is full of burned out, disillusioned politics junkies.  They've finally realized that it's turtles all the way down, so they are ripe for harvest.

there we go!

talking to people directly is an effective, albeit effort intensive way to Find the Others.

could there be materials which make it easier?


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".


Okay.  What's a discordian line of thought?

I think what he's trying to say is that we want more discordians in general, but we don't want to make ourselves the Authorities on the matter. Let's not get into the "what's a discordian" shtick.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
QuoteThe Discordian Community itself has become corrupt. Maybe it hasn't been mass-marketed or pre-packaged yet, but we have been sold out for some time on the idea that the ultimate goal of a philosophical revolution should be a static Utopia where everything is perfect.

Zing!

I'm in favor of fucking around and breaking shit just to see what happens.



If exposing new audiences to Discordianism is the goal, we should definitely, absolutely look towards grabbing media attention with our antics. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster garnered a huge amount of attention when their campaign to lampoon the everloving shit out of Intelligent Design caught media attention; that's how I first heard about it. I'm not sure if they USED that attention to any great end after that, but still.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:42:51 PM
I disagree completely with Cram's assertion that we have become static or status quo-oriented.

This board - for one example - has done nothing but change since it started, even though the change may be too slow to notice.  Also, GASM projects have done more for getting people off their arse IRL than anything else.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
If exposing new audiences to Discordianism is the goal, we should definitely, absolutely look towards grabbing media attention with our antics. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster garnered a huge amount of attention when their campaign to lampoon the everloving shit out of Intelligent Design caught media attention; that's how I first heard about it. I'm not sure if they USED that attention to any great end after that, but still.

great point, this comes back to my note #4.

We've found through experience (AWS, swine flu propaganda) that piggybacking on an already hot topic always gets tons of attention.

My swine flu posters, because they're a topical issue, have gotten more hits and downloads than all of volume dingus combined.

Do you think there are any contemporary issues or topics which Discordia is particularly well suited to tackle, confuse, or intensify?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
there we go!

talking to people directly is an effective, albeit effort intensive way to Find the Others.

could there be materials which make it easier?

Not with these guys.  At least not yet.  I'm still working on the idea of absurdism as an alternative to cynical partisan bitching.  This is gonna take time, but we should get some good recruits, even if they never become active board members.

I mean, I am under the impression that we aren't out to scrounge new members, so much as new adherents.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:46:31 PM
can you elaborate on the difference?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
Do you think there are any contemporary issues or topics which Discordia is particularly well suited to tackle, confuse, or intensify?

Health Care
Tea Baggers
Afghanistan
Militias.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
If exposing new audiences to Discordianism is the goal, we should definitely, absolutely look towards grabbing media attention with our antics. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster garnered a huge amount of attention when their campaign to lampoon the everloving shit out of Intelligent Design caught media attention; that's how I first heard about it. I'm not sure if they USED that attention to any great end after that, but still.

great point, this comes back to my note #4.

We've found through experience (AWS, swine flu propaganda) that piggybacking on an already hot topic always gets tons of attention.

My swine flu posters, because they're a topical issue, have gotten more hits and downloads than all of volume dingus combined.

Do you think there are any contemporary issues or topics which Discordia is particularly well suited to tackle, confuse, or intensify?

Well, the War on Christmas is a start. Unfortunately, I am not privy to what the popular pundits and media outlets are babbling about these days (the consequences of living in a cave, ITT), so I'm not sure what we should be focused on. Basically, if it's the sort of thing that you hear on TV and also coming out of the mouths of your co-workers, it's worth considering.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:46:31 PM
can you elaborate on the difference?

Yeah.

Are we after new members for PD, or are we trying to "create" new Discordians in general?  They are not, of course, mutually exclusive goals, but I think the latter is more important than the former.

I mean, if I can turn just ONE normal citizen per month into a howling misfit bent on knocking shit over and squatting out a shit on the remains, I consider that to be excellent progress, even if they never even know PD exists.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 05:52:54 PM
I think practicing the art of Discordianism would work better than preaching or aiming to convert others.

The discordian St. Paul, who brought chaos and discord into the fledgling Christian system with his epistles made a decent comment... in addressing believers with unbelieving friends/family/mates he said that they should behave in a way that the non-beliver can be "won without a word".

We can preach Discordia from the rooftops, but I dunno if it would gain any more traction that the Sub Geniuses... who have been marketed for the past 20+ years.



If however, we pull from the Yippie playbook... they pulled in most converts through action.
One could claim the same for Anonymous during their little flash.

Staging meat space pranks of high visibility and high LOL factor seems (to me) more likely to actually draw in converts, versus maybe some pinks that click a link in some promotional material.

In fact, we may not even need to mention Eris specifically... just act. Act publicly, garner interest, act more, garner more interest etc.

Couple Examples:

(Just inspired by the skeptic discussion)

Scientific Tests on the best Pesudoscience and nonsense we can find.

For example, we could build Cloudbusters and set them up in various cities, video tape the whole process, and who knows what sort of public involvement we might be able to invoke. Either pretending to be seriously investigating the issue, or by trying to get people to "see it working" or whatever...


(Flash Mobs)
Yeah, its been done... but has a Flash Mob ever been flash mobbed? Spread the word about two different flash mobs... give them the same place and time, with opposing concepts.

(
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 05:52:54 PM
I think practicing the art of Discordianism would work better than preaching or aiming to convert others.

I think that all 3 together work better than any one of those.

ETA:  After all, I can't speak for you guys, but I'm not looking for people to say "I'm a Discordian", I'm looking for people to BE Discordians.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 05:52:54 PM
I think practicing the art of Discordianism would work better than preaching or aiming to convert others.

I think that all 3 together work better than any one of those.

Well fine, you old coot.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:58:32 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:46:31 PM
can you elaborate on the difference?

Yeah.

Are we after new members for PD, or are we trying to "create" new Discordians in general?  They are not, of course, mutually exclusive goals, but I think the latter is more important than the former.

I mean, if I can turn just ONE normal citizen per month into a howling misfit bent on knocking shit over and squatting out a shit on the remains, I consider that to be excellent progress, even if they never even know PD exists.

yeah I'm with you there.

My goal is to see more discordian thought in the world, not more members for an internet forum. If it happens to get us more members here, cool, but that's not the primary goal. That's small potatoes.


Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 05:52:54 PM
I think practicing the art of Discordianism would work better than preaching or aiming to convert others.

most likely yes, though there's something to be said for a 5-pronged approach.

basically, I think the major thing is continuing to build the discordian society through fun participatory activities.


It's stating to sound like the vector of all these ideas is a poignant group-prank.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 09, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".


Okay.  What's a discordian line of thought?

I think what he's trying to say is that we want more discordians in general, but we don't want to make ourselves the Authorities on the matter. Let's not get into the "what's a discordian" shtick.
I think there is a contradiction here - we make ourselves the authorities/leaders by the very acts of recruitment and of determining the best ways to infect their minds with our philosophies. Propaganda is a form of mastery over someones mind. It's both a role and a burden -- but I'm not sure we can fully succeed in that role without embracing it and playing all aspects of it.

I mean, we've identified groups ripe for the picking, refined techniques for mindfucking and grabbing attention, but after the dust settles, what is in it for them - what is their payoff - what do we want to lead them towards? The joy of slack? The wisdom of trolling? The fun of all-out internet warfare? Hmm.. maybe unique selling point is the concept I'm struggling to find here.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
If we want other people to follow us

Is that what we want?   :?
In the sense of "follow us into discordianism, or discordian lines of thought", rather than "follow us and obey our every whim".


Okay.  What's a discordian line of thought?

I think what he's trying to say is that we want more discordians in general, but we don't want to make ourselves the Authorities on the matter. Let's not get into the "what's a discordian" shtick.
I think there is a contradiction here - we make ourselves the authorities/leaders by the very acts of recruitment and of determining the best ways to infect their minds with our philosophies. Propaganda is a form of mastery over someones mind. It's both a role and a burden -- but I'm not sure we can fully succeed in that role without embracing it and playing all aspects of it.

I mean, we've identified groups ripe for the picking, refined techniques for mindfucking and grabbing attention, but after the dust settles, what is in it for them - what is their payoff - what do we want to lead them towards? The joy of slack? The wisdom of trolling? The fun of all-out internet warfare? Hmm.. maybe unique selling point is the concept I'm struggling to find here.


I want to lead them towards thinking for themselves and realizing their situation.  Because I hate them.

I don't particularly care about slack or trolling, or any of that shit.  I want to wake them up, not give them a new woobie.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
FP,

That's why I'm not pro-evangelism. I used to do that shtick and it sucks.

Personally, rather than conversion, I'd rather we behaved like Children of Eris very publicly and then people would want to figure us out... rather than us telling them what we are.

Conversion seems good for grabbing sheep that you can win with witty words... but those kind of people are often just followers. However, being public enough that people start googling for "Discordian Society" or "Eris" or "FOO Prank" might lead them to us.

Though, it might be fun to promote a huge public, visible schism in the 'religion'... fighting over something completely innane (the Golden apple Peelers vs those who find pealing golden apples sacrilege, for example).
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 09, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
I want to lead them towards thinking for themselves and realizing their situation.  Because I hate them.

I don't particularly care about slack or trolling, or any of that shit.  I want to wake them up, not give them a new woobie.
9/11 woke people up and what happened? Wiping the haze from their eyes they simply followed the loudest shouting yokel, and once back in line fell back asleep.

People, unless motivated otherwise, want to sleep.. it's the most comfortable condition and offers the path of least resistance.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
Hey, FP...

Instead of going on and on about why things won't work, how about making some constructive contributions, and framing your posts as ways that things might work?


That way, this thing might get off the ground, instead of grinding to a halt while everyone argues.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
I want to lead them towards thinking for themselves and realizing their situation.  Because I hate them.

I don't particularly care about slack or trolling, or any of that shit.  I want to wake them up, not give them a new woobie.
9/11 woke people up and what happened? Wiping the haze from their eyes they simply followed the loudest shouting yokel, and once back in line fell back asleep.

People, unless motivated otherwise, want to sleep.. it's the most comfortable condition and offers the path of least resistance.

So? Just because people will fall back asleep in a different position means we shouldn't bother trying to wake them up?

Bullshit. If you prod at them enough, some of them will roll off the bed and then they'll HAVE to pay attention for at least a few extra seconds.

And then the Gods of Metaphor come down from the heavens and punish me greatly for this post.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
I want to lead them towards thinking for themselves and realizing their situation.  Because I hate them.

I don't particularly care about slack or trolling, or any of that shit.  I want to wake them up, not give them a new woobie.
9/11 woke people up and what happened? Wiping the haze from their eyes they simply followed the loudest shouting yokel, and once back in line fell back asleep.

People, unless motivated otherwise, want to sleep.. it's the most comfortable condition and offers the path of least resistance.

Indeed, I am unsure how you lead someone to Think for Themselves... I have found that it seems to require a particular type of mindset already and/or some kind of life event that pushes the individual through chapel perilous/paradigm shift/crises of conscience/etc.

I mean, RAW IMO did a great job of trying to lead people to TYF,S! but look at the Bobbies and Pinealists and RAWITES and Disciples.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 09, 2009, 06:27:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
Hey, FP...

Instead of going on and on about why things won't work, how about making some constructive contributions, and framing your posts as ways that things might work?


That way, this thing might get off the ground, instead of grinding to a halt while everyone argues.


seconded
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
FP,

That's why I'm not pro-evangelism. I used to do that shtick and it sucks.

Personally, rather than conversion, I'd rather we behaved like Children of Eris very publicly and then people would want to figure us out... rather than us telling them what we are.

Conversion seems good for grabbing sheep that you can win with witty words... but those kind of people are often just followers. However, being public enough that people start googling for "Discordian Society" or "Eris" or "FOO Prank" might lead them to us.

Though, it might be fun to promote a huge public, visible schism in the 'religion'... fighting over something completely innane (the Golden apple Peelers vs those who find pealing golden apples sacrilege, for example).


Again, I rarely even mention Discordianism, at least not at first.

It's not about buzz phrases and wit.  It's about getting people to wake up and give a shit.  It's about stripping away all the comforting lies and shoving their faces in their own poop.

Again, I really don't like people.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 09, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
So? Just because people will fall back asleep in a different position means we shouldn't bother trying to wake them up?

Bullshit. If you prod at them enough, some of them will roll off the bed and then they'll HAVE to pay attention for at least a few extra seconds.

And then the Gods of Metaphor come down from the heavens and punish me greatly for this post.
I think waking people up is always great. I think finding ways to keep them awake is better.


Quote from: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
Hey, FP...

Instead of going on and on about why things won't work, how about making some constructive contributions, and framing your posts as ways that things might work?


That way, this thing might get off the ground, instead of grinding to a halt while everyone argues.
Making these kind of early brainstorming sessions personal, is what generally grinds things to a halt.

Apart from that, I don't see how your comments reflect my actual posts ITT, since I have been following the advice you just gave.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
I want to lead them towards thinking for themselves and realizing their situation.  Because I hate them.

I don't particularly care about slack or trolling, or any of that shit.  I want to wake them up, not give them a new woobie.
9/11 woke people up and what happened? Wiping the haze from their eyes they simply followed the loudest shouting yokel, and once back in line fell back asleep.

People, unless motivated otherwise, want to sleep.. it's the most comfortable condition and offers the path of least resistance.

Whose fucking fault is that?  We let The Machine™ put them right back to sleep...in fact, more asleep than they ever were, because we let them frame the debate.

If you think it's so fucking hopeless, then go back to your Wii and stop trying to discourage others.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
So? Just because people will fall back asleep in a different position means we shouldn't bother trying to wake them up?

Bullshit. If you prod at them enough, some of them will roll off the bed and then they'll HAVE to pay attention for at least a few extra seconds.

And then the Gods of Metaphor come down from the heavens and punish me greatly for this post.
I think waking people up is always great. I think finding ways to keep them awake is better.


Quote from: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
Hey, FP...

Instead of going on and on about why things won't work, how about making some constructive contributions, and framing your posts as ways that things might work?


That way, this thing might get off the ground, instead of grinding to a halt while everyone argues.
Making these kind of early brainstorming sessions personal, is what generally grinds things to a halt.

Apart from that, I don't see how your comments reflect my actual posts ITT, since I have been following the advice you just gave.

JESUS H CHRIST.  YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN.

Remember when you first joined, and you had to break the habit of riding a bad argument down in flames?  LOOK AT YOUR FUCKING POSTS AND TELL ME WHY THE FUCK YOU'VE BACKSLID INTO DOING THAT AGAIN.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 09, 2009, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
Making these kind of early brainstorming sessions personal, is what generally grinds things to a halt.

Apart from that, I don't see how your comments reflect my actual posts ITT, since I have been following the advice you just gave.

Dude, get over it and move on. 
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Maybe I'm just a buffoon with no foresight, but I'm entirely in favor of screwing around and breaking shit just to see what happens.

Lampooning the War on Christmas to get people riled up, mocking irrational public fears about terrorism and swine flu, making awful jokes about things that victims of the CoN think should only be discussed as Serious Business, and in general acting like a pack of rabid-but-intelligent chimpanzees for no better reason than making a scene are all worthy goals, IMO.

It'll confuse the fuck out of most people, offend a few, and maybe, just maybe, a small handful will get the real joke and find a way to join in.


Or, what TGRR said.


Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
So? Just because people will fall back asleep in a different position means we shouldn't bother trying to wake them up?

Bullshit. If you prod at them enough, some of them will roll off the bed and then they'll HAVE to pay attention for at least a few extra seconds.

And then the Gods of Metaphor come down from the heavens and punish me greatly for this post.
I think waking people up is always great. I think finding ways to keep them awake is better.

Well, I sure as hell have no idea how to do the latter. Being professionals, we should probably wake up as many people as possible and then see what methods are effective at keeping them awake. So what if most of them fall back asleep? It's science.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 09, 2009, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
I imagine this site with 10 times as many people with 10 times as many posts, and I wonder how the community could maintain its current identity. I guess it wouldn't...

Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
I think there is a contradiction here - we make ourselves the authorities/leaders by the very acts of recruitment and of determining the best ways to infect their minds with our philosophies. Propaganda is a form of mastery over someones mind. It's both a role and a burden -- but I'm not sure we can fully succeed in that role without embracing it and playing all aspects of it.

I mean, we've identified groups ripe for the picking, refined techniques for mindfucking and grabbing attention, but after the dust settles, what is in it for them - what is their payoff - what do we want to lead them towards? The joy of slack? The wisdom of trolling? The fun of all-out internet warfare? Hmm.. maybe unique selling point is the concept I'm struggling to find here.

Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
9/11 woke people up and what happened? Wiping the haze from their eyes they simply followed the loudest shouting yokel, and once back in line fell back asleep.

People, unless motivated otherwise, want to sleep.. it's the most comfortable condition and offers the path of least resistance.


Right there.


Now, unless you have anything to say that will further the aims of the OP, don't post.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Lampooning the War on Christmas to get people riled up, mocking irrational public fears about terrorism and swine flu, making awful jokes about things that victims of the CoN think should only be discussed as Serious Business, and in general acting like a pack of rabid-but-intelligent chimpanzees for no better reason than making a scene are all worthy goals, IMO.

This.

Not everything has to have a happy ending, to have a happy ending.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 09, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
So? Just because people will fall back asleep in a different position means we shouldn't bother trying to wake them up?

Bullshit. If you prod at them enough, some of them will roll off the bed and then they'll HAVE to pay attention for at least a few extra seconds.

And then the Gods of Metaphor come down from the heavens and punish me greatly for this post.
I think waking people up is always great. I think finding ways to keep them awake is better.

Well, I sure as hell have no idea how to do the latter. Being professionals, we should probably wake up as many people as possible and then see what methods are effective at keeping them awake. So what if most of them fall back asleep? It's science.
I guess we're on the same page then.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:35:10 PM
JESUS H CHRIST.  YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN.

Remember when you first joined, and you had to break the habit of riding a bad argument down in flames?  LOOK AT YOUR FUCKING POSTS AND TELL ME WHY THE FUCK YOU'VE BACKSLID INTO DOING THAT AGAIN.
Well I just looked at my five posts on this thread ( http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5806;sa=showPosts ), and I fail to see what's so objectionable.

But you "win", I'll bail from this thread.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Lampooning the War on Christmas to get people riled up, mocking irrational public fears about terrorism and swine flu, making awful jokes about things that victims of the CoN think should only be discussed as Serious Business, and in general acting like a pack of rabid-but-intelligent chimpanzees for no better reason than making a scene are all worthy goals, IMO.

This.

Not everything has to have a happy ending, to have a happy ending.


I agree... if we want to fuck with the sleepers because its fun to fuck with the sleepers, I'm all in. Mostly because if we do it publicly we might be seen by some people with insomnia, if not... we still got to fuck with the sleepers.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 09, 2009, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Lampooning the War on Christmas to get people riled up, mocking irrational public fears about terrorism and swine flu, making awful jokes about things that victims of the CoN think should only be discussed as Serious Business, and in general acting like a pack of rabid-but-intelligent chimpanzees for no better reason than making a scene are all worthy goals, IMO.

This.

Not everything has to have a happy ending, to have a happy ending.

Cainad's alignment shifts to Chaotic Neutral.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 06:50:18 PM
listen, I don't think we're ever going to arrive at a mission statement or methodology that we can all agree on. That's cool though. Par for the course.


At it's core, I hope we can agree on this: "I wish there were more Discordians in the world."


What I want to do here is identify the pitfalls we should avoid while trying to recruit. And more importantly, develop some methodologies to find more recruits. It's okay if we make some mistake and maybe go a bit too deep or too weird or betray some of our "core" ideas. Because they're all bullshit anyway.


Then I'd like to take the energy we gain in this thread and go apply it, for real, and see some results.


So let's focus on getting these ideas off the drawing board and onto the activity list.




War on Christmas:

I think the most effective application would be to send out a press release?
Or perhaps set up a website?

this is most effective if we have the guise of being an actual organization


Flash Mobs

This is a great angle because these things photograph well, and are relatively easy to put together. (well, easier than organizing a convention or event or something)


Propaganda

How do you guys feel about creating more tracts, pamphlets, etc? Is there an angle which might be particularly effective? any energies we should avoid?

The "Off the Tracts" thread has some great starts - do you think those are things we should develop out into PDFs?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 09, 2009, 06:53:18 PM
I recently downloaded (but haven't read) a book on Christian evangelist techniques.  I could send you a link, if you wanted.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 09, 2009, 07:02:39 PM
The following domaiins are available::

diechristmasdie.com
burntannenbaum.com
waterboardsanta.com

for starters....
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: FP on December 09, 2009, 06:42:47 PM


But you "win", I'll bail from this thread.


:facepalm:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2009, 06:50:18 PM

Propaganda

How do you guys feel about creating more tracts, pamphlets, etc? Is there an angle which might be particularly effective? any energies we should avoid?

The "Off the Tracts" thread has some great starts - do you think those are things we should develop out into PDFs?

I have a few ideas in this department.  I'll barf 'em out, and see what you guys think.

I think I can commit to having 3-4 available within 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 09, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Lampooning the War on Christmas to get people riled up, mocking irrational public fears about terrorism and swine flu, making awful jokes about things that victims of the CoN think should only be discussed as Serious Business, and in general acting like a pack of rabid-but-intelligent chimpanzees for no better reason than making a scene are all worthy goals, IMO.

This.

Not everything has to have a happy ending, to have a happy ending.


I agree... if we want to fuck with the sleepers because its fun to fuck with the sleepers, I'm all in. Mostly because if we do it publicly we might be seen by some people with insomnia, if not... we still got to fuck with the sleepers.

Yes.  This IS supposed to be fun, after all.  If it stops being fun and starts being work, I'll quit and go hang out with stinky pagans.

Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 09, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
I think a professional looking logo and website would be key for the War on Christmas to be a success.

Also, covering our tracks so people won't be able to easily find out who is behind it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: rong on December 09, 2009, 10:46:46 PM
war on christmas related:  nativity scene statues turning up missing always seems to get some press.  what if a bunch of mangers somehow ended up with golden apples in them?  or, you know, something like that?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 09, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
I recommend directing further discussion of the Char on Wristmas here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23165.0
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 09, 2009, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 09, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
I think a professional looking logo and website would be key for the War on Christmas to be a success.

Also, covering our tracks so people won't be able to easily find out who is behind it.

I thought the point was to get people to find out about discordianism? Why cover trakcs if we want people to figure it out?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Eater of Clowns on December 09, 2009, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 09, 2009, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 09, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
I think a professional looking logo and website would be key for the War on Christmas to be a success.

Also, covering our tracks so people won't be able to easily find out who is behind it.

I thought the point was to get people to find out about discordianism? Why cover trakcs if we want people to figure it out?

What better way to get attention than a publicity stunt?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 09, 2009, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 09, 2009, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 09, 2009, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 09, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
I think a professional looking logo and website would be key for the War on Christmas to be a success.

Also, covering our tracks so people won't be able to easily find out who is behind it.

I thought the point was to get people to find out about discordianism? Why cover trakcs if we want people to figure it out?

What better way to get attention than a publicity stunt?

I agree with that, but it doesn't exactly answer my question. :oops:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 10, 2009, 12:03:24 AM
I think the idea is that we don't want people to be able to figure out, right off the bat, that we're doing it purely as a publicity stunt and for lulz. We ought to put some effort into making it look like we're serious, at least for a little while. Enough to get professional media outlets to pay attention, even if only briefly.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 10, 2009, 12:36:30 AM
Ah. I see now.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2009, 01:22:50 AM
If I had more time and energy I'd put it into launching a proper tirade against my nemesis Cramulus and his evangelical, orderly ways

but I'm kind of just exhausted.

I'd like to see awareness of Discordia increased, but not using the name Discordia. I'd like to see it in the form of allusions to a shadowy, slightly menacing group of ne'er-do-well's and troublemakers under some other name, with another layer of intrigue under that, and another one under that, so that if people investigated long enough and peeled back all the layers they would find Merry Old Discordja underneath it all.

It would make it more fun, and more interesting.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 01:47:27 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 01:22:50 AM
If I had more time and energy I'd put it into launching a proper tirade against my nemesis Cramulus and his evangelical, orderly ways

but I'm kind of just exhausted.

I'd like to see awareness of Discordia increased, but not using the name Discordia. I'd like to see it in the form of allusions to a shadowy, slightly menacing group of ne'er-do-well's and troublemakers under some other name, with another layer of intrigue under that, and another one under that, so that if people investigated long enough and peeled back all the layers they would find Merry Old Discordja underneath it all.

It would make it more fun, and more interesting.

THIS.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Brotep on December 10, 2009, 02:26:10 AM
Discordian evangelism = Discovangelism?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 02:45:30 AM
Quote from: Brotep on December 10, 2009, 02:26:10 AM
Discordian evangelism = Discovangelism?

:lord:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:54:26 AM
Quote from: Brotep on December 10, 2009, 02:26:10 AM
Discordian evangelism = Discovangelism?

Only if BEARFORCE1 is playing while you do it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: MMIX on December 10, 2009, 02:58:42 AM
Quote from: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:54:26 AM
Quote from: Brotep on December 10, 2009, 02:26:10 AM
Discordian evangelism = Discovangelism?

Only if BEARFORCE1 is playing  Chariots of fire in slowmo while you do it.



eta:  :wink:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: on December 10, 2009, 10:41:12 AM
I'd say we try to put together a calvinball league, other stupider sports have made this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unusual_articles#Sports)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 10, 2009, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 01:22:50 AM
If I had more time and energy I'd put it into launching a proper tirade against my nemesis Cramulus and his evangelical, orderly ways

but I'm kind of just exhausted.

I'd like to see awareness of Discordia increased, but not using the name Discordia. I'd like to see it in the form of allusions to a shadowy, slightly menacing group of ne'er-do-well's and troublemakers under some other name, with another layer of intrigue under that, and another one under that, so that if people investigated long enough and peeled back all the layers they would find Merry Old Discordja underneath it all.

It would make it more fun, and more interesting.

So it's about whether or not we attach the Discordian brand to the shit we do.

I was going to say something else, but at 5:56 in the morning I am in no fit state to do more than make that statement.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 10, 2009, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 01:22:50 AM
If I had more time and energy I'd put it into launching a proper tirade against my nemesis Cramulus and his evangelical, orderly ways

but I'm kind of just exhausted.

I'd like to see awareness of Discordia increased, but not using the name Discordia. I'd like to see it in the form of allusions to a shadowy, slightly menacing group of ne'er-do-well's and troublemakers under some other name, with another layer of intrigue under that, and another one under that, so that if people investigated long enough and peeled back all the layers they would find Merry Old Discordja underneath it all.

It would make it more fun, and more interesting.

So it's about whether or not we attach the Discordian brand to the shit we do.

I was going to say something else, but at 5:56 in the morning I am in no fit state to do more than make that statement.

Apparently, you aren't fit to read HER statement.  Drink some fucking coffee (it's your pal!) and read it again.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 10, 2009, 01:56:34 PM
I see where you're coming from.

I would prefer if you launched a parallel crusade, rather than counteracting what I'm going for

(I'm not implying that this is what you're doing... Just suggesting that AND beats EITHER/OR)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 10, 2009, 01:56:34 PM
I see where you're coming from.

I would prefer if you launched a parallel crusade, rather than counteracting what I'm going for

(I'm not implying that this is what you're doing... Just suggesting that AND beats EITHER/OR)

The more approaches, the better.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:13:33 PM
In fact, it would be pretty cool to set it up like the AWS was, where different "factions" kept their plots secret from the others, and only revealed it once complete.

It would make it fun for the outside observers, too... We'd start thinking, "another one of ours?" any time we saw something fucked up.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:13:33 PM
In fact, it would be pretty cool to set it up like the AWS was, where different "factions" kept their plots secret from the others, and only revealed it once complete.

It would make it fun for the outside observers, too... We'd start thinking, "another one of ours?" any time we saw something fucked up.

That would be awesome.

My faction will, of course, wind up fighting your faction.  We will prevail.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
BRING IT, SISSY!
  \
:chickenhawk:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Richter on December 10, 2009, 02:23:43 PM
In addition to tracts / pamplets / posters, I'm thinking some sort of "Exercises" / "Homework" / "Public Service" exercises might be fun to put together.  Unlike specific propaganda / amusement of self and others projects like postering or GASM's, these could be some basic things, (ranging from easy deviancy to high lunacy) that anyone could perform, alone or en masse, to get their hands dirty or develop themselves in the scope of publically active freakdom.  No real goals, except to get more mirth, skill, and comfort, at publically acting out, rabble rousing, disseminating, distracting, or demonstrating.  

Examples:
- Rant in a public place (off the cuff, minimal rehersal, draw metaphors or inspiration from what you see)  
- Debate with a street preacher.  See if they know their stuff well enough to pwn  See if YOU know your stuff well enough to pwn.  See if they get uncomfortable and leave.  See if you can convert them.
- Have a WEIRD, ambiguous bordering on horror, or otherwise startling discussion where other folks can hear (Like Cramulus's "Cat in the Microwave" speach.)  Carry this off as seriously or academically as possible.
- Showtunes.  Make life into a musical for a certain place / group. Add dance numbers?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:28:29 PM
For the shut-in:  Perhaps we can brainstorm ways to use social network sites to our own advantage.  Our own "circle of friends" may know us to be weirdos, but their circle may not...  Or the various "groups".  This would be different than trolling, it would be more like making things stranger.


Or maybe I'm just babbling here.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Richter on December 10, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
Co opt or layer in stuff to bring freaks operating in the same area togther?  Makes sense, but how to do it without over - exposing...
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:28:29 PM
For the shut-in:  Perhaps we can brainstorm ways to use social network sites to our own advantage.  Our own "circle of friends" may know us to be weirdos, but their circle may not...  Or the various "groups".  This would be different than trolling, it would be more like making things stranger.


Or maybe I'm just babbling here.

Contaminating circles is, actually, my main MO.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 03:28:56 PM
We're not talking about your bathroom habits, Roger...
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: Richter on December 10, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
Co opt or layer in stuff to bring freaks operating in the same area togther?  Makes sense, but how to do it without over - exposing...

I have the opposite problem.  The Tucson Cabal is at about 64 members.  It's too large, and I'm being viewed as some sort of fucking guru*.  I'm gonna split it up into 8-9 smaller cabals and have them move in different directions.



* This wouldn't be a problem, but this is America.  I expect to be paid for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 03:29:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 03:28:56 PM
We're not talking about your bathroom habits, Roger...

Actually, we are.  You just don't know it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:14:04 PM
I found a website that is kind of like a local news thing for people who like to blog. You can choose whatever topic you want to write on, as long as you post a few articles a week. I was thinking this would be a good way to get more exposure to the stunts near everyone.

Applied to Tucson, I would be willing to do 'exposure' work, since I can't often get out and do OMGASM stuff (or ever). I have a half formed plan in my head, but I'll need stuff to write about.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:14:04 PM
I found a website that is kind of like a local news thing for people who like to blog. You can choose whatever topic you want to write on, as long as you post a few articles a week. I was thinking this would be a good way to get more exposure to the stunts near everyone.

Applied to Tucson, I would be willing to do 'exposure' work, since I can't often get out and do OMGASM stuff (or ever). I have a half formed plan in my head, but I'll need stuff to write about.

Lemme in on that.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:14:04 PM
I found a website that is kind of like a local news thing for people who like to blog. You can choose whatever topic you want to write on, as long as you post a few articles a week. I was thinking this would be a good way to get more exposure to the stunts near everyone.

Applied to Tucson, I would be willing to do 'exposure' work, since I can't often get out and do OMGASM stuff (or ever). I have a half formed plan in my head, but I'll need stuff to write about.

Lemme in on that.

On my sort-of-plan, or the work?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:14:04 PM
I found a website that is kind of like a local news thing for people who like to blog. You can choose whatever topic you want to write on, as long as you post a few articles a week. I was thinking this would be a good way to get more exposure to the stunts near everyone.

Applied to Tucson, I would be willing to do 'exposure' work, since I can't often get out and do OMGASM stuff (or ever). I have a half formed plan in my head, but I'll need stuff to write about.

Lemme in on that.

On my sort-of-plan, or the work?

The web ring.  Unless you want to play with it yourself.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
The web ring.  Unless you want to play with it yourself.

It's more like an online local newspaper that's gone global. They hire freelance writers to write on the chosen topic. I wouldn't object to advice, and I'll cut you in for it too, but I want to get back on writing again. I miss it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
The web ring.  Unless you want to play with it yourself.

It's more like an online local newspaper that's gone global. They hire freelance writers to write on the chosen topic. I wouldn't object to advice, and I'll cut you in for it too, but I want to get back on writing again. I miss it.

Sure.  Please for the pming the link.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2009, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:13:33 PM
In fact, it would be pretty cool to set it up like the AWS was, where different "factions" kept their plots secret from the others, and only revealed it once complete.

It would make it fun for the outside observers, too... We'd start thinking, "another one of ours?" any time we saw something fucked up.

I like this.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Dimocritus on December 10, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2009, 05:54:54 PM
ETA:  After all, I can't speak for you guys, but I'm not looking for people to say "I'm a Discordian", I'm looking for people to BE Discordians.

I think this is the most important factor as well.

As far as "recruitment" goes, all I can say is based on my experiences. Fr'instance: I came across Discordianism by reading the Illuminatus! Trilogy. What made the entire thing so appealing, outside of the mystery and overall "ideals," was a certain sense of "discovery" when I found out that it was actually "really real." That is what will get people to stick. Subtle clues, like postergasm, will get the more observant people to seek it out on their own, and when they finally find it, they will have a certain sense of satisfaction or accomplishment which will lead to a higher willingness to participate.

On the other hand, since I've been "studying" Discordianism, I have also managed to directly "recruit" a few people to participate IRL. I never went into any heavy detail, let alone became preachy, about Discordian history, traditions etc.. I kept to the basics, and people were interested. They wanted a slice. I'm assuming that my two or three assistants have told friends, because now, I'll make a poster and before I even have a chance to hang any myself, they're already all over campus. Getting people to participate also can result in them having a sense of ownership, the value of such a sense can be argued, but in the end those with a sense of ownership are more likely to be active participants.

Now, as far as doing something outside the Discordian box, I'm taking over the campus newspaper. I'm gaining some ground; a (very) small slice of the media. My intentions are to get page 5 every issue for propaganda as well as actual Discordian-thought related articles. This is going to be done anonymously (as much as possible). My hopes are to share this slice with (almost) anyone that wants a piece. This MediaGASM(?) can be both direct or subtle from month to month, depending on which way we want to do it, or whatever is the most effective way to get people to act Discordian.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2009, 08:25:30 PM
Here's something I just thought of... not sure if it could be connected to this idea...

I am thinking of writing a press release to send out to different underground papers and free weekly newspapers... the crux of it will rather Lovecraftian, but instead of the Great Old Ones, the terror is Eris.

The story goes as follows: Two hippies decided to create a phony religion to parody Christianity and decided to latch onto an obscure goddess/demon of the Greco-Roman pantheon, Eris.  Directly after creating this pseudo-religion one of the pair becomes ensnared into the assassination of a U.S. president, and his sanity quickly declines afterwards.  The other co-creator decides to back off from the religion and dives into the least mystical and metaphysical career he can find, computer programming, while knowing secretly that the two awoke an insane goddess who delights in destruction and chaos.  All of the increasing madness of the second half of the twentieth century is the direct result of her slowly awakening, and of course, things will only get worse as we get closer to the point when she will be fully awake: December 21, 2012.

I'm thinking of using a pseudonym which would indicate to anyone thinking that the story is bull, but I don't want to post it here, since it would come up quickly in an internet search.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2009, 08:25:30 PM
Here's something I just thought of... not sure if it could be connected to this idea...

I am thinking of writing a press release to send out to different underground papers and free weekly newspapers... the crux of it will rather Lovecraftian, but instead of the Great Old Ones, the terror is Eris.

The story goes as follows: Two hippies decided to create a phony religion to parody Christianity and decided to latch onto an obscure goddess/demon of the Greco-Roman pantheon, Eris.  Directly after creating this pseudo-religion one of the pair becomes ensnared into the assassination of a U.S. president, and his sanity quickly declines afterwards.  The other co-creator decides to back off from the religion and dives into the least mystical and metaphysical career he can find, computer programming, while knowing secretly that the two awoke an insane goddess who delights in destruction and chaos.  All of the increasing madness of the second half of the twentieth century is the direct result of her slowly awakening, and of course, things will only get worse as we get closer to the point when she will be fully awake: December 21, 2012.

I'm thinking of using a pseudonym which would indicate to anyone thinking that the story is bull, but I don't want to post it here, since it would come up quickly in an internet search.

Thoughts?


Oooh, I like this! It has the underlying truth (enough underlying truth, that is) which would be enough to give anyone who decided to research it the creeps, and is intriguing enough to possibly catch on.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 10, 2009, 08:28:04 PM
Sounds like a good idea, so long as you stay away from the more counterculturally influenced papers and zines, since half of them seem to be run by people who, if not themselves Discordians, are at least passingly familiar with Discordianism.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2009, 08:28:04 PM
Sounds like a good idea, so long as you stay away from the more counterculturally influenced papers and zines, since half of them seem to be run by people who, if not themselves Discordians, are at least passingly familiar with Discordianism.

Good thinking.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
I can't decide how the writer of the press release knows that it all comes to a head on Dec. 21 2012 though... any ideas?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
I can't decide how the writer of the press release knows that it all comes to a head on Dec. 21 2012 though... any ideas?

See if you can 23 it or law of 5s it from the date of the bowling alley incident to 2012.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 10, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Daniel Pinchbeck claims to be the Prophet of Quetzocoatl and has said that is the date the world ends (by which he means, changes beyond recognition).  If you can somehow show that Quetzocoatl is Eris, or there is some link between them, or she is masquerading as him, then you're set.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 11, 2009, 02:52:21 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 01:22:50 AM
I'd like to see awareness of Discordia increased, but not using the name Discordia. I'd like to see it in the form of allusions to a shadowy, slightly menacing group of ne'er-do-well's and troublemakers under some other name, with another layer of intrigue under that, and another one under that, so that if people investigated long enough and peeled back all the layers they would find Merry Old Discordja underneath it all.

ooh, related
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19140863/There-Is-No-Discordian-Society
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 11, 2009, 09:04:19 AM
Who is this shadowy "vexati0n" who apparently uploaded this piece?

:?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Herbertina Merrique V on December 11, 2009, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 11, 2009, 02:52:21 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 01:22:50 AM
I'd like to see awareness of Discordia increased, but not using the name Discordia. I'd like to see it in the form of allusions to a shadowy, slightly menacing group of ne'er-do-well's and troublemakers under some other name, with another layer of intrigue under that, and another one under that, so that if people investigated long enough and peeled back all the layers they would find Merry Old Discordja underneath it all.

ooh, related
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19140863/There-Is-No-Discordian-Society

Ha, nice!

Summarizing this thread, perhaps, Discordian Evangelism shouldn't be evangelism as in telling people about Discordia/converting them, but rather giving them more opportunities and hints to find out about it, and create it themselves?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Brotep on December 11, 2009, 04:48:51 PM
^Exactly, that's what Discovangelism is all about.


Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Daniel Pinchbeck claims to be the Prophet of Quetzocoatl and has said that is the date the world ends (by which he means, changes beyond recognition).  If you can somehow show that Quetzocoatl is Eris, or there is some link between them, or she is masquerading as him, then you're set.

Tough one--it would be easier to conflate Tezcatlipoca with Eris.
Maybe some numerology?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 11, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
Perhaps you can use the fact that most people wouldn't know the difference between Quetzocoatl and Tezcatlipoca if it snuck up behind them and damned them to eternal torment.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 11, 2009, 05:05:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 11, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
Perhaps you can use the fact that most people wouldn't know the difference between Quetzocoatl and Tezcatlipoca if it snuck up behind them and damned them to eternal torment.

This.

My aim is to craft it in such a manner that someone who is not completely asleep will see for what it is.  Yes, that one fails, but others will go through, at least hopefully.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Brotep on December 11, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 11, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
Perhaps you can use the fact that most people wouldn't know the difference between Quetzocoatl and Tezcatlipoca if it snuck up behind them and damned them to eternal torment.

Spoken like a true Discovangelist.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 11, 2009, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 11, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
Perhaps you can use the fact that most people wouldn't know the difference between Quetzocoatl and Tezcatlipoca if it snuck up behind them and damned them to eternal torment.
I loled so hard at this.

It helps that I know too much about the dead religions of Central/South America.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 11, 2009, 07:43:02 PM
I like the angle in which we vaguely allude to the Discordian Society and keep our fingers crossed that the creative, electric people will do the rest of the work.

I hope that people go forward and keep building up the conspiracy, putting clues out there for others to find.

But meanwhile, for my part....
Part of what started this thread was a re-reading of the Black Iron Prison. And I really like the message here:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/bip/6.php

QuoteWHAT THE HELL ARE YOU READING?


A lot of us don’t really have it in us to go to great lengths to disguise the message any more.

Some of us can string together some loose metaphors, but for many, at this point, it’s just not worth the effort to dress things up, or the risk that one might not understand the point that we are trying to make.

The time has come for people to start thinking for themselves. Towing other people’s lines and doing other peoples bidding has not worked so far.

In fact, it's getting hard to avoid noticing just how messy this place has become, and the situation seems urgent enough for us not to hold back.

We want people to think for themselves, and we deliver this message with no good intention to the way things are currently being done on this planet.

We don't want nothing else.

We don't want memberships and we don’t want telephone numbers. We don't want our audience's undivided attention and we won't make moves on their girl. We don't want our audience to sell things. We don't want them to attend our meetings. There is nothing to memorize, and we don't need anybody to take an oath.

It has come to our attention that not many people really know what it means to look after themselves on the planet earth in the year 2007.

Call it a support group for the freedom-impaired.


People have a really short attention span. It gets shorter every year. Even the most creative and self aware people on the planet have places to go, people to see, a thousand pages sitting on their reading list. I don't want waiting for others to put the puzzle pieces together. Maybe I just don't have a lot of faith that anybody will. That's why I want to be explicit, that's why I want to be really direct. These people are already popes, they just don't know it yet. I found the Principia through random chance. It shook me up in ways that I'm still trying to understand. I don't want people to miss the signal because we're only whispering it, or only whispering part of it. The more leads we put out there, the better.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 11, 2009, 07:46:47 PM
Interesting angle.  Gotta think that one over, kick it around a bit.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 11, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
Perhaps you can use the fact that most people wouldn't know the difference between Quetzocoatl and Tezcatlipoca if it snuck up behind them and damned them to eternal torment.

THIS.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 11, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
Even if we're explicit, TL;DR is a problem for the General Public (our apparent target). I think attention grabbing either with either a direct message or a canard (like the War on You-Know-What) is the important bit.

We could dance nekkid with "Think For Yourself Schmuck!" written on our tummies and we'd be ignored by most of the population, I think.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 12, 2009, 12:33:53 AM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 11, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
We Rat could dance nekkid with "Think For Yourself Schmuck!" written on his tummy and he'd be ignored by most of the population, I think for sure.

Fixed for accuracy.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 12, 2009, 07:33:08 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
The web ring.  Unless you want to play with it yourself.

It's more like an online local newspaper that's gone global. They hire freelance writers to write on the chosen topic. I wouldn't object to advice, and I'll cut you in for it too, but I want to get back on writing again. I miss it.
The Examiner?  If not, we really should try to get someone on The Examiner. They have just about every other group covered.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
It might be more effective to introduce people to discordian thought process through literature or the like.  Write something, include crap on thinking for yourself in the subtext.

If I ever get up off my ass and actually make something I'll do that.  In the meantime I may as well put it out there and see if you productive types like the idea.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 12, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
I'm restarting blogging soon.

I'm not blogging about Discordianism per se, but it will be obvious to anyone who pays attention for five seconds than I identify as such.  Time to reprise my role as le enfant terrible of the British blogosphere.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 12, 2009, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on December 12, 2009, 07:33:08 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 10, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
The web ring.  Unless you want to play with it yourself.

It's more like an online local newspaper that's gone global. They hire freelance writers to write on the chosen topic. I wouldn't object to advice, and I'll cut you in for it too, but I want to get back on writing again. I miss it.
The Examiner?  If not, we really should try to get someone on The Examiner. They have just about every other group covered.

Yes indeed the Examiner. I was trying to think of what I would call the 'topic' I'd be writing about, as they don't have one just yet.

I was thinking something like 'High Wierdness'.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 12, 2009, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
It might be more effective to introduce people to discordian thought process through literature or the like.  Write something, include crap on thinking for yourself in the subtext.

If I ever get up off my ass and actually make something I'll do that.  In the meantime I may as well put it out there and see if you productive types like the idea.

Maybe, but Bob did that and ended up with RAWites  and Bobbies :(
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: fogukaup on December 12, 2009, 06:36:48 PM
I think my skills could come in handy.  Born and raised in the Jehovah's Witness cult, I learned some nice manipulation tricks and a flawlessn door to door strategy.  Hi erybody.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 12, 2009, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
It might be more effective to introduce people to discordian thought process through literature or the like.  Write something, include crap on thinking for yourself in the subtext.

If I ever get up off my ass and actually make something I'll do that.  In the meantime I may as well put it out there and see if you productive types like the idea.

Maybe, but Bob did that and ended up with RAWites  and Bobbies :(

Evangelism is a double edged sword like that.

Quote from: fogukaup on December 12, 2009, 06:36:48 PM
I think my skills could come in handy.  Born and raised in the Jehovah's Witness cult, I learned some nice manipulation tricks and a flawlessn door to door strategy.  Hi erybody.

Aren't Jehova's Witnesses recruitment techniques targeted at, to put it diplomatically, people who will believe in things?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 12, 2009, 10:13:44 PM
John Robb said something interesting (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/rzYD/~3/uL7L50im7Uw/journal-resources-for-small-group-superempowerment.html).

The only question is how to operationalize it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
What exactly would we need a supercomputer for?

Though if you have a good reason to have one it might be possible to get ahold of a decent sized chunk of OurNet.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 13, 2009, 03:04:26 PM
We don't.

I didn't think I needed to spell out the analogies.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 13, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
I'll spell 'em out; it helps me organize thoughts.

'Worms.'

Decentralized, open-source functionality.

Resiliency (to counteract the effects of people getting bored/moving on to other things).
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Payne on December 13, 2009, 03:52:15 PM
John Robb, I note, is frequently interesting.

Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread until now, but now I have a few thoughts.

-Do we want more 'Discordians' (either professing Discordians, or just those people who are Walking Weird), or do we want more weirdness? It strikes me that yes, we are a pretty weird bunch of people, and like to shake things up a little - however we perhaps don't always use the resources we have at our disposal (individually or as a group) in the most effective and/or efficient manner. I don't actually have any ideas as to how to change this, but I reckon this is a question that should be asked.

-"Quality or Quantity"? Pretty much addressed in earlier posts. I'd say quality more often than not, which would probably require a more intensive and individual effort one 'target' at a time. qv. Roger and his Tucson network. OF course, we MAY just get the same number of quality converts with a more mass-evangelist effort, but then we are loaded down with those who aren't really up to much and will probably require leadership of one kind or another. Personally, I already do try to encourage quality weirdness but unfortunately without much success (I am failing to utilise my resources as an individual properly).

-Multi-levelled obfuscation, Factions, etc. I like the idea of 'onioning' one layer of weirdness, behind which is another and then another. (It's onions all the way in!) It may just be me, but I was actually kinda disappointed in one way that it was so easy to find PD. The modern need for immediacy is something I think a lot of the people we'd like to have would reject (or would like to, anyway). The more work it is to figure out what's going on, the better. As long as we have a tempting enough 'hook' to draw them in in the first place.

-Existing Disordians, leadership. Really, we already do have a significant network. Most of us work in small groups or individually on a local level. It's our immediate every day environment that we're concerned with really, so we are bound to be focused on that. The various places where we can meet up and throw some ideas around such as PD give us a sense of community and are fun, but perhaps we fail to exploit opportunities for larger scale work, which would if done right give us greater exposure. I'm not saying we need a "Leader" of any kind of course. Most of the best Projects we've embarked on have been led principally by a good idea first and foremost (Intermittens*, various GASMs etc**). If 'something' happens in one locale, it's dismissed as a blip in the larger world, if it happens at 5, 10, 15 different areas at the same time it's news or at least interesting. This doesn't dismiss, of course, the impact on the immediate area.

*Intermitens: Was a great idea started up by Cram, and took on a life of its own. Now it's not happening any more, I hear, because of some kind of server problem or some such. It's STILL a good idea though, and I am forced to ask why no one else is still running with it? Cram didn't this server to make the first issue after all.

** Also to note that Cram is one of the greatest advocates of cooperative effort and ALSO seems to come up with most of the best 'Idea-Led' projects we come up with. I know that the more individualistic of us ALSO come up with just as highly effective and useful projects that take lace on a smaller, more local, scale. If the wish is to create something larger and more noticeable, we may need more Crams.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
Evangelism will require having or getting certain sort of skills, skills I'm not sure we individually, or as a group, have developed much.

I'm pretty sure the getting more Discordians/more people doing weird things is pretty vitally important to how we want to go about this.  Each one will impact on how the attempts to get people involved will be carried out, and so ultimately what approach to use. With Discordianism, you have the references to certain symbols and concepts which make stating your case and motivating easier, but might put more people off.  On the other hand, you potentially widen your selection with the weird stuff angle, but have a less clear way to motivate people and sell it to them.

One thing I might suggest is involving people, whether they want to be involved or not.  The Dadaists, for example, did a kind of street theatre...but not one where you could merely passively observe, like with the sort of thing Improv Everywhere does (incidentally, one of the things I dislike about their otherwise quite tight approach to pranking etc).  Once you saw it, the "actors" would involve you, in one way or another.  You'd be a prop on their very ill-defined and messy stage, and you'd be part of the action.

Another is, as we've talked about here before, identifying groups and individuals who might be sympathetic to our aims or methods, and constantly badgering them until we can get them involved.  Again with the avant-garde, the ranks of the Dadaists and the Situationists were filled from early and co-current movements and groups.

Intermittens definitely needs to be used.  Some Dadaist publications had shorter runs than Intermittens (and, don't forget, our magazine is still more interesting than Al-Qaeda in Yemen's).  I intend to upload all of Intermittens onto Demonoid and TPB, but only once the site is back up, so people can get involved while their enthusiasm is at its highest (presumably just after they have read it).

Enemies.  We need individualized enemies to rail against.  Polarization is a wonderful tactic, and if we start hating on someone, other people who hate on them will take notice.  Also, their allies will take notice and hate on us, further spreading our ideas.

Just some quick thoughts.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Payne on December 13, 2009, 04:52:50 PM
Yes, good stuff and thought provking.

This in particular:

Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
One thing I might suggest is involving people, whether they want to be involved or not.  The Dadaists, for example, did a kind of street theatre...but not one where you could merely passively observe, like with the sort of thing Improv Everywhere does (incidentally, one of the things I dislike about their otherwise quite tight approach to pranking etc).  Once you saw it, the "actors" would involve you, in one way or another.  You'd be a prop on their very ill-defined and messy stage, and you'd be part of the action.

Is something that I've been thinking about arranging for the next Edinburgh DoD. The problem of course with the DoD being that you're never certain if the people who want to come can make it making something like this difficult to properly plan in advance, let alone implement. This seems to be, in other areas, a somewhat common theme and something that I'm personally guilty of on a fairly regular basis.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PMEnemies.  We need individualized enemies to rail against.  Polarization is a wonderful tactic, and if we start hating on someone, other people who hate on them will take notice.  Also, their allies will take notice and hate on us, further spreading our ideas.

I would think this to be counterproductive to the 'choosing creative order and disorder over ordered creation and destruction' bit, although the book is of course by no means law. I'd personally like to see the spirit of the Principia be captured; a good-natured call out to people to take their lives into their own hands and discover the power within them. Overt manipulation- which is ultimately a form of control- strikes me as a tactic which can only damage the cause of trying to free people. Utilizing political tactics which have been used time and time again would be kind of disruptive to the notion of utilizing novelty and creativity to overcome the mindless repetition of historical events [unless given some sort of twist people haven't seen before].

I think the greatest weapon we have at our disposal is art. We can rant and rave or distribute flyer after flyer, but these are the same tactics advertisers have been throwing at people for the past century, and they're becoming less and less impactful. Flash someone a high-res poster (or, if you're really lucky, the real thing) of, say, Raul Casillas' Entanglement (http://www.raulcasillas.com/Entanglement_for_email.jpg) (caution: large file) or Alex Grey's New Man/New Woman (http://homepage.mac.com/juanwilson/islandbreath/2009Year/2009-02/090224newmanwoman.jpg) or Mark Henson's Illusions of Reality (http://www.sacredlight.to/images/illusion.jpg), however, and you can't not be struck by it. (See Metagallery (http://metagallery.com/artists/) for more random shit.)

And this goes back to what Payne said about quality over quantity; you can spend four years writing and editing and distributing and rebuffing and trying to convince person after person, one by one, that you know what you're talking about, or you can paint Entanglement and show them that you know what you're talking about. The conceptual notion of going into seclusion for four years and not proselytizing to anyone except maybe your close circle is bound to conjure up feelings of wasted time; it's only when you actually see the finished product in front of you, and have it to show to people and can see the immediate profound impact it has on them that the entire episode actually starts to pay off. So, there's this aspect of having faith to it.

But yeah. Art. Everywhere. All kinds. As much as possible. Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop; when people see other people acting like they're having fun and not giving a shit if they're being judged, it gives them the idea that it might actually be okay to have fun and not give a shit if they're being judged.

I've witnessed the transformative power of art first-hand; in Toronto here there is an agency called Sketch (http://sketch.ca), which is a working arts studio for homeless and street involved youth. The number of people who I have seen in the past two years go there, discover theirself, and change and grow by bounds as a human being has been staggering. Hell, I was one of them. Sketch has been by far the most important contributer to my recovery. There's inspiration hanging on every wall and tucked into every nook, and the people who've been there for awhile become leaders and inspirations unto theirselves. There are so many different kinds of art on the walls that appeal to so many different kinds of people that 'good' and 'bad' lose their objectivity, and when that happens, people feel free to express theirself without fear of inadequacy. I've heard numerous people refer to it as heaven-on-Earth. People have gotten off the streets, out of prisons and shelters and into stable housing, into college and university, and into meaningful employment because of this agency, which is explicitly art-oriented.

Global News did a cover of them recently, the video can be found here (http://www.globaltoronto.com/video/index.html?releasePID=CEqAkgVdY06FO_SBo9Cu9rs_Y7llsKbQ).

So, creation. Ordered creation, disordered creation, doesn't matter. Just create.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
I would think this to be counterproductive to the 'choosing creative order and disorder over ordered creation and destruction' bit,


Why would we do it the other way?


Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
So, creation. Ordered creation, disordered creation, doesn't matter. Just create.

Balls.  Creative, destructive, ordered, "creative", is all crap.  All is Chaos.

Also, "ordered" is not the opposite of "creative".
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:25:08 PM
Just read the rest of that.  A summarization:  "You're all doing it wrong.  Do it my way.  My "art" is superior to your "art"."

:| 
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 15, 2009, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
Evangelism will require having or getting certain sort of skills, skills I'm not sure we individually, or as a group, have developed much.


I have well practiced evangelical skills... just not sure if I'm comfortable touching them again. I'm not very happy with how I've used them in the past.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Dimocritus on December 15, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
When it comes down to simply getting the word out, I think polarization is a great way to get attention. There's no such thing as bad press.

And I have to disagree when you say that flyering is becoming less effective. It's just as effective as it ever was, there are just fewer people doing it now  (:cn:).  I've gotten pretty good results with only flyers.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 15, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
When it comes down to simply getting the word out, I think polarization is a great way to get attention. There's no such thing as bad press.

And I have to disagree when you say that flyering is becoming less effective. It's just as effective as it ever was, there are just fewer people doing it now  (:cn:).  I've gotten pretty good results with only flyers.

I'd be interested in how effective "Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop;" is.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 15, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 15, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
When it comes down to simply getting the word out, I think polarization is a great way to get attention. There's no such thing as bad press.

And I have to disagree when you say that flyering is becoming less effective. It's just as effective as it ever was, there are just fewer people doing it now  (:cn:).  I've gotten pretty good results with only flyers.

I'd be interested in how effective "Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop;" is.

Poetic Terrorism FTW.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 15, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 15, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
When it comes down to simply getting the word out, I think polarization is a great way to get attention. There's no such thing as bad press.

And I have to disagree when you say that flyering is becoming less effective. It's just as effective as it ever was, there are just fewer people doing it now  (:cn:).  I've gotten pretty good results with only flyers.

I'd be interested in how effective "Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop;" is.

Poetic Terrorism FTW.

Sounds great, what's the actual payoff?  How many people are actually somehow magickqually influenced?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Dimocritus on December 15, 2009, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 15, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
When it comes down to simply getting the word out, I think polarization is a great way to get attention. There's no such thing as bad press.

And I have to disagree when you say that flyering is becoming less effective. It's just as effective as it ever was, there are just fewer people doing it now  (:cn:).  I've gotten pretty good results with only flyers.

I'd be interested in how effective "Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop;" is.

:horrormirth:Wow.
I just skimmed it, I didn't even realize that was there. Fucking loosing it...
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 15, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
I think the greatest weapon we have at our disposal is art. We can rant and rave or distribute flyer after flyer, but these are the same tactics advertisers have been throwing at people for the past century, and they're becoming less and less impactful. Flash someone a high-res poster (or, if you're really lucky, the real thing) of, say, Raul Casillas' Entanglement (http://www.raulcasillas.com/Entanglement_for_email.jpg) (caution: large file) or Alex Grey's New Man/New Woman (http://homepage.mac.com/juanwilson/islandbreath/2009Year/2009-02/090224newmanwoman.jpg) or Mark Henson's Illusions of Reality (http://www.sacredlight.to/images/illusion.jpg), however, and you can't not be struck by it. (See Metagallery (http://metagallery.com/artists/) for more random shit.)

And this goes back to what Payne said about quality over quantity; you can spend four years writing and editing and distributing and rebuffing and trying to convince person after person, one by one, that you know what you're talking about, or you can paint Entanglement and show them that you know what you're talking about. The conceptual notion of going into seclusion for four years and not proselytizing to anyone except maybe your close circle is bound to conjure up feelings of wasted time; it's only when you actually see the finished product in front of you, and have it to show to people and can see the immediate profound impact it has on them that the entire episode actually starts to pay off. So, there's this aspect of having faith to it.

But yeah. Art. Everywhere. All kinds. As much as possible. Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop; when people see other people acting like they're having fun and not giving a shit if they're being judged, it gives them the idea that it might actually be okay to have fun and not give a shit if they're being judged.
Are rants and raves and flyers, not also a creation of art? Or are you saying that some forms of art are more successful than others? I agree that works of "great art" are more likely to bend minds, but how to create an environment more conducive to and supportive of this, other than having a healthy eco-system of smaller art statements of all different types and genres?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 15, 2009, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 15, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 15, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
When it comes down to simply getting the word out, I think polarization is a great way to get attention. There's no such thing as bad press.

And I have to disagree when you say that flyering is becoming less effective. It's just as effective as it ever was, there are just fewer people doing it now  (:cn:).  I've gotten pretty good results with only flyers.

I'd be interested in how effective "Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop;" is.

Poetic Terrorism FTW.

Sounds great, what's the actual payoff?  How many people are actually somehow magickqually influenced?

Well, I think the payoff depends. Poetic Terrorism, is just the label that Hikem Bey gave to the sort of actions you're discussing.

One act of poetic terrorism that we've often played with in Columbus is soap bubbles. It's amazing wwhat happens to people in traffic when simple soap bubbles start appearing in the intersection at a red light. We've seen dull looking nearly comatose drivers perk up, laugh and clap... we've seen other drivers freak out and wind up their windows or cuss at us for blowing bubbles... we get a reaction, but I have no idea if that action is long lasting or merely for a second.

Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 15, 2009, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: FP on December 15, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
I think the greatest weapon we have at our disposal is art. We can rant and rave or distribute flyer after flyer, but these are the same tactics advertisers have been throwing at people for the past century, and they're becoming less and less impactful. Flash someone a high-res poster (or, if you're really lucky, the real thing) of, say, Raul Casillas' Entanglement (http://www.raulcasillas.com/Entanglement_for_email.jpg) (caution: large file) or Alex Grey's New Man/New Woman (http://homepage.mac.com/juanwilson/islandbreath/2009Year/2009-02/090224newmanwoman.jpg) or Mark Henson's Illusions of Reality (http://www.sacredlight.to/images/illusion.jpg), however, and you can't not be struck by it. (See Metagallery (http://metagallery.com/artists/) for more random shit.)

And this goes back to what Payne said about quality over quantity; you can spend four years writing and editing and distributing and rebuffing and trying to convince person after person, one by one, that you know what you're talking about, or you can paint Entanglement and show them that you know what you're talking about. The conceptual notion of going into seclusion for four years and not proselytizing to anyone except maybe your close circle is bound to conjure up feelings of wasted time; it's only when you actually see the finished product in front of you, and have it to show to people and can see the immediate profound impact it has on them that the entire episode actually starts to pay off. So, there's this aspect of having faith to it.

But yeah. Art. Everywhere. All kinds. As much as possible. Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop; when people see other people acting like they're having fun and not giving a shit if they're being judged, it gives them the idea that it might actually be okay to have fun and not give a shit if they're being judged.
Are rants and raves and flyers, not also a creation of art? Or are you saying that some forms of art are more successful than others? I agree that works of "great art" are more likely to bend minds, but how to create an environment more conducive to and supportive of this, other than having a healthy eco-system of smaller art statements of all different types and genres?


A lot of people ignore art, as surprising as some people may find that.

Personally I can't stand the Toronto art scene, and avoid it at all costs.  However, that's not to say your approach wouldn't work... but you would only get people who pay attention to art.  Just like flyers only get the attention of those who pay attention to flyers, which is also only a segment of the population.

All ideas should be considered viable until proven otherwise.  If each of us actually took our ideas and ran with them we could inundate the population from all sides. 
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 15, 2009, 09:56:23 PMOne act of poetic terrorism that we've often played with in Columbus is soap bubbles. It's amazing wwhat happens to people in traffic when simple soap bubbles start appearing in the intersection at a red light. We've seen dull looking nearly comatose drivers perk up, laugh and clap... we've seen other drivers freak out and wind up their windows or cuss at us for blowing bubbles... we get a reaction, but I have no idea if that action is long lasting or merely for a second.

This is precisely the kind of stuff I'm taking about.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2009, 10:02:08 PMPersonally I can't stand the Toronto art scene, and avoid it at all costs.  However, that's not to say your approach wouldn't work... but you would only get people who pay attention to art.  Just like flyers only get the attention of those who pay attention to flyers, which is also only a segment of the population.

All ideas should be considered viable until proven otherwise.  If each of us actually took our ideas and ran with them we could inundate the population from all sides. 

Very true. Thank you.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2009, 09:25:08 PMJust read the rest of that.  A summarization:  "You're all doing it wrong.  Do it my way.  My "art" is superior to your "art"."

Hm. Perhaps I have misrepresented myself. I do not wish to express that any art is better than any other art. I only wanted to suggest avenues I thought perhaps weren't being explored as deeply. I apologize if I came off as commanding.

Quote from: FP on December 15, 2009, 09:50:00 PMAre rants and raves and flyers, not also a creation of art? Or are you saying that some forms of art are more successful than others? I agree that works of "great art" are more likely to bend minds, but how to create an environment more conducive to and supportive of this, other than having a healthy eco-system of smaller art statements of all different types and genres?

You're absolutely right, and I respectfully retract my assertion otherwise. This is the direction I was trying to go in by bringing up Sketch, and the sorts of 'non-arts' such as rock balancing and whatnot. Yes; the concept I was trying to communicate was one of creating an eco-system of openness and nurturing to all types of self-expression. To answer the Good Reverend Roger, I have seen an enormous number of people influenced by these things. There is a man named Sunjay who does rock balancing- and like, towers of boulders and cinderblocks that don't seem like they are physically possible- on Queen St. for change; his sign: "May the proceeds from these sculptures go into the benefit of all living things". It's a powerful statement, and it shows people that there are people out there who are fighting for the well-being of everyone, instead of only the well-being of some.

We can't get people to be theirselves if they are afraid that they will receive negative attention for being theirselves. If we make it cold, unsafe, and hostile for people to come out of their shells, they will not come out of their shells.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 15, 2009, 10:08:40 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2009, 10:02:08 PM
All ideas should be considered viable until proven otherwise.  If each of us actually took our ideas and ran with them we could inundate the population from all sides. 
I like to think that's the situation we're approaching.. though it takes time.. I certainly haven't figured out what part I can or want to play in moving towards that future yet.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 15, 2009, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 10:06:19 PM
We can't get people to be theirselves if they are afraid that they will receive negative attention for being theirselves. If we make it cold, unsafe, and hostile for people to come out of their shells, they will not come out of their shells.

This.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on December 15, 2009, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2009, 10:02:08 PM
All ideas should be considered viable until proven otherwise.  If each of us actually took our ideas and ran with them we could inundate the population from all sides. 

Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 10:06:19 PM
We can't get people to be theirselves if they are afraid that they will receive negative attention for being theirselves. If we make it cold, unsafe, and hostile for people to come out of their shells, they will not come out of their shells.

:mittens:



on that note - In Wired, there was an interview with one of the founders of wikipedia. He was talking about the varying levels of success that wikipedia has had in non-english languages.

When asked what it takes to make a project survive until it's own momentum will sustain it, he said that all it takes is five people, all working at once. Five people, all approaching the task in unique ways, will generate enough solutions to knock down most problems.



Operationalization:

here's three quick stabs at transmuting this energy into ACTION

A)  The War on Christmas - time is limited on this one, as christmas is only 10 days away. (SWEET MERCIFUL FUCK!) Perhaps an e-mail forward would be best? Something that will be passed around between bored coworkers and/or outraged moms? Anybody want to draft something up?

B) Discordian Conspiracy Theory - this is the plan where we hint at the giant spooky discordian society which battles against the illuminati [in all of our souls]. Is there a piece of media we can generate, a rumor we can start, or some other way to put out more feelers to the paranoid lunatics out there? In terms of fliers, this is territory Vex and others have actually explored. Anybody feel like rounding up that media and seeing what we've got / what we're missing? (All the PDFs from vex's ftp is now housed on scridb with the tag "vexftp".)

C) Direct Message, AKA the Straight Forward Approach - this is probably started already in the Off the Tracts (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21920.0) thread. If people could go there and vote for their favorite pamphlet. Then we'll develop that into something we can distribute.


Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Kaienne on December 16, 2009, 01:10:08 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2009, 10:31:04 PMB) Discordian Conspiracy Theory - this is the plan where we hint at the giant spooky discordian society which battles against the illuminati [in all of our souls]. Is there a piece of media we can generate, a rumor we can start, or some other way to put out more feelers to the paranoid lunatics out there? In terms of fliers, this is territory Vex and others have actually explored. Anybody feel like rounding up that media and seeing what we've got / what we're missing? (All the PDFs from vex's ftp is now housed on scridb with the tag "vexftp".)

Someone mentioned The Examiner. There's also the National Inquirer. Perhaps these are options. I'd be most amused if we could generate a war between the two societies, using either publication as the voice of either side. Other media than tabloids would also work.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on December 16, 2009, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 16, 2009, 01:10:08 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2009, 10:31:04 PMB) Discordian Conspiracy Theory - this is the plan where we hint at the giant spooky discordian society which battles against the illuminati [in all of our souls]. Is there a piece of media we can generate, a rumor we can start, or some other way to put out more feelers to the paranoid lunatics out there? In terms of fliers, this is territory Vex and others have actually explored. Anybody feel like rounding up that media and seeing what we've got / what we're missing? (All the PDFs from vex's ftp is now housed on scridb with the tag "vexftp".)

Someone mentioned The Examiner. There's also the National Inquirer. Perhaps these are options. I'd be most amused if we could generate a war between the two societies, using either publication as the voice of either side. Other media than tabloids would also work.

I was talking about the internet examiner, which is like a local newspaper online, not the tabloid.

ETA: Unless it's the same thing. Then my bad.

Which reminds me, I'm signing up to be a writer right now, and they allow you to suggest a topic to write about. Should I be all sneaky with it, (I'm thinking I should be sneaky, it'll give credence that I don't really know what's going on), or should I suggest my topic be "Discordian activities"?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 16, 2009, 08:33:17 AM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PMEnemies.  We need individualized enemies to rail against.  Polarization is a wonderful tactic, and if we start hating on someone, other people who hate on them will take notice.  Also, their allies will take notice and hate on us, further spreading our ideas.

I would think this to be counterproductive to the 'choosing creative order and disorder over ordered creation and destruction' bit, although the book is of course by no means law. I'd personally like to see the spirit of the Principia be captured; a good-natured call out to people to take their lives into their own hands and discover the power within them. Overt manipulation- which is ultimately a form of control- strikes me as a tactic which can only damage the cause of trying to free people. Utilizing political tactics which have been used time and time again would be kind of disruptive to the notion of utilizing novelty and creativity to overcome the mindless repetition of historical events [unless given some sort of twist people haven't seen before].

I think the greatest weapon we have at our disposal is art. We can rant and rave or distribute flyer after flyer, but these are the same tactics advertisers have been throwing at people for the past century, and they're becoming less and less impactful. Flash someone a high-res poster (or, if you're really lucky, the real thing) of, say, Raul Casillas' Entanglement (http://www.raulcasillas.com/Entanglement_for_email.jpg) (caution: large file) or Alex Grey's New Man/New Woman (http://homepage.mac.com/juanwilson/islandbreath/2009Year/2009-02/090224newmanwoman.jpg) or Mark Henson's Illusions of Reality (http://www.sacredlight.to/images/illusion.jpg), however, and you can't not be struck by it. (See Metagallery (http://metagallery.com/artists/) for more random shit.)

And this goes back to what Payne said about quality over quantity; you can spend four years writing and editing and distributing and rebuffing and trying to convince person after person, one by one, that you know what you're talking about, or you can paint Entanglement and show them that you know what you're talking about. The conceptual notion of going into seclusion for four years and not proselytizing to anyone except maybe your close circle is bound to conjure up feelings of wasted time; it's only when you actually see the finished product in front of you, and have it to show to people and can see the immediate profound impact it has on them that the entire episode actually starts to pay off. So, there's this aspect of having faith to it.

But yeah. Art. Everywhere. All kinds. As much as possible. Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop; when people see other people acting like they're having fun and not giving a shit if they're being judged, it gives them the idea that it might actually be okay to have fun and not give a shit if they're being judged.

I've witnessed the transformative power of art first-hand; in Toronto here there is an agency called Sketch (http://sketch.ca), which is a working arts studio for homeless and street involved youth. The number of people who I have seen in the past two years go there, discover theirself, and change and grow by bounds as a human being has been staggering. Hell, I was one of them. Sketch has been by far the most important contributer to my recovery. There's inspiration hanging on every wall and tucked into every nook, and the people who've been there for awhile become leaders and inspirations unto theirselves. There are so many different kinds of art on the walls that appeal to so many different kinds of people that 'good' and 'bad' lose their objectivity, and when that happens, people feel free to express theirself without fear of inadequacy. I've heard numerous people refer to it as heaven-on-Earth. People have gotten off the streets, out of prisons and shelters and into stable housing, into college and university, and into meaningful employment because of this agency, which is explicitly art-oriented.

Global News did a cover of them recently, the video can be found here (http://www.globaltoronto.com/video/index.html?releasePID=CEqAkgVdY06FO_SBo9Cu9rs_Y7llsKbQ).

So, creation. Ordered creation, disordered creation, doesn't matter. Just create.

Both the Dadaists and Situationists (artistic avant-garde movements) used scurrilous attacks on their enemies to win infamy and a measure of respect from those they opposed (the Situationists, of course, had to take it a step too far, and engage in scurrilous attacks and purges on their own ranks, but they were French, and that was kind of expected, if not planned from the very beginning by Debord).  Art itself was a tool, an attack of the senses and sensibilities of the established classes and styles of the day.

Or do you think trying to make people think for themselves is not going to win you any enemies?  Do you think everyone can be reasonably dealt with in such a manner? If you're going to overthrow the status quo, and you're using a technique likely to succeed, then by definition the status quo will move against you.  Tristan Tzara wanted to overthrow reality and negate meaning.  Guy Debord wanted to destroy capitalist consumerism, "the spectacle" and both capitalist and socialist socitities.  By comparison our aims are small fry, but if they make things unpredictable, if they mock established routines and cultures and beliefs (and Discordianism, simply by virtue of what it is, does all of these) then they will create enemies.

Enemies will come regardless, so the best thing to do is make them work for you.  Making enemies is stupid and counterproductive, and I would recommend taking countermeasures to prevent such things.  However, it would be equally stupid to assume we will not have people looking to do us harm or blacken our name, and if we can identify these sorts early on, then so much better for us.

And having a visible, identifiable enemy brings other advantages.  Enemies watch you for mistakes, and like to broadcast them, to humiliate you.  So you can learn from them.  They give you a focus, someone to practice on, someone who you can also guage yourself and your effectiveness against.  They have lots of uses.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 16, 2009, 08:35:21 AM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 15, 2009, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
Evangelism will require having or getting certain sort of skills, skills I'm not sure we individually, or as a group, have developed much.


I have well practiced evangelical skills... just not sure if I'm comfortable touching them again. I'm not very happy with how I've used them in the past.

That thought occured as well.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on December 16, 2009, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2009, 10:31:04 PM
A)  The War on Christmas - time is limited on this one, as christmas is only 10 days away. (SWEET MERCIFUL FUCK!) Perhaps an e-mail forward would be best? Something that will be passed around between bored coworkers and/or outraged moms? Anybody want to draft something up?

B) Discordian Conspiracy Theory - this is the plan where we hint at the giant spooky discordian society which battles against the illuminati [in all of our souls]. Is there a piece of media we can generate, a rumor we can start, or some other way to put out more feelers to the paranoid lunatics out there? In terms of fliers, this is territory Vex and others have actually explored. Anybody feel like rounding up that media and seeing what we've got / what we're missing? (All the PDFs from vex's ftp is now housed on scridb with the tag "vexftp".)

C) Direct Message, AKA the Straight Forward Approach - this is probably started already in the Off the Tracts (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21920.0) thread. If people could go there and vote for their favorite pamphlet. Then we'll develop that into something we can distribute.




Concerning a) I've emailed as many wingnut sites forwarding the meme as possible.  Even if only one person thinks about it, then its an easy payoff for the amount of work I did (half an hour writing, an hour of collecting emails).  I knew it was a one-off topic though, so that's done.

b) we could always set up something, like say a conspiracy blog.  Focus on posting mainly "odd" news stories from the mainstream press (like www.cryptogon.com or http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com) and then intermingle them with hints of this struggle.  Publish anonymous tracts.  Perhaps even put on a public display of some sort, like a "ritual" to undo an Illuminati (or Discordian) plan.

c) we should probably come up with other direct methods too, but that one is good.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Kaienne on December 16, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 16, 2009, 08:33:17 AMBoth the Dadaists and Situationists [...] have lots of uses.

Okay. It seemed as though your intention was to specifically select a group of people, overtly target them, and use the ensuing uprising as the springboard into getting acknowledged. Utilizing whatever resources naturally arise makes total sense.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: hooplala on December 16, 2009, 02:18:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 16, 2009, 09:04:43 AM
b) we could always set up something, like say a conspiracy blog.  Focus on posting mainly "odd" news stories from the mainstream press (like www.cryptogon.com or http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com) and then intermingle them with hints of this struggle.  Publish anonymous tracts.  Perhaps even put on a public display of some sort, like a "ritual" to undo an Illuminati (or Discordian) plan.

In the new year I am starting a conspiracy blog for work, meaning my employers are backing the whole thing with advertising and whatnot.  I will need lots and lots of material to fill it with, and surely much of it will be Illuminati in nature.  If anyone is interested in contributing (no pay, even I don't get paid, this is on top of my regular commitments at work) please PM me.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 16, 2009, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2009, 04:12:38 PMI intend to upload all of Intermittens onto Demonoid and TPB, but only once the site is back up, so people can get involved while their enthusiasm is at its highest (presumably just after they have read it).

assuming 'the site' means demonoid, its been up for a couple days.


Never mind, you already knew that.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
I would think this to be counterproductive to the 'choosing creative order and disorder over ordered creation and destruction' bit, although the book is of course by no means law.

there is no "bit" about choosing creative over the destructive in the PD. the "bit" I suppose you are referring to is the "bit" that explains how both creation AND destruction are necessary, in the same sense as both disorder AND order are necessary.

It's all about having the right force at the right place and time.

QuoteI'd personally like to see the spirit of the Principia be captured; a good-natured call out to people to take their lives into their own hands and discover the power within them.

Eris was NOT good-natured. Also not in the PD.

QuoteOvert manipulation- which is ultimately a form of control- strikes me as a tactic which can only damage the cause of trying to free people. Utilizing political tactics which have been used time and time again would be kind of disruptive to the notion of utilizing novelty and creativity to overcome the mindless repetition of historical events [unless given some sort of twist people haven't seen before].

manipulation is useful when it's useful and not when it's not.

QuoteI think the greatest weapon we have at our disposal is art.

I like your art. The drawings. Maybe they are your greatest weapon.

QuoteBut yeah. Art. Everywhere. All kinds. As much as possible. Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop; when people see other people acting like they're having fun and not giving a shit if they're being judged, it gives them the idea that it might actually be okay to have fun and not give a shit if they're being judged.

if you think that works, do it!

but lose the air of "everybody should do it".

Quote
So, creation. Ordered creation, disordered creation, doesn't matter. Just create.

No.

Not "just" create. Destruction is necesary and healthy too.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
Creative destruction, bitches.

Don't make me recycle the New Chart again.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Dimocritus on December 17, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: Kaienne on December 15, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
I would think this to be counterproductive to the 'choosing creative order and disorder over ordered creation and destruction' bit, although the book is of course by no means law.

there is no "bit" about choosing creative over the destructive in the PD. the "bit" I suppose you are referring to is the "bit" that explains how both creation AND destruction are necessary, in the same sense as both disorder AND order are necessary.

It's all about having the right force at the right place and time.

QuoteI'd personally like to see the spirit of the Principia be captured; a good-natured call out to people to take their lives into their own hands and discover the power within them.

Eris was NOT good-natured. Also not in the PD.

QuoteOvert manipulation- which is ultimately a form of control- strikes me as a tactic which can only damage the cause of trying to free people. Utilizing political tactics which have been used time and time again would be kind of disruptive to the notion of utilizing novelty and creativity to overcome the mindless repetition of historical events [unless given some sort of twist people haven't seen before].

manipulation is useful when it's useful and not when it's not.

QuoteI think the greatest weapon we have at our disposal is art.

I like your art. The drawings. Maybe they are your greatest weapon.

QuoteBut yeah. Art. Everywhere. All kinds. As much as possible. Rock balances, street performance, graffiti, music, even something so simple as dancing like an idiot while listening to your .mp3 player at the bus stop; when people see other people acting like they're having fun and not giving a shit if they're being judged, it gives them the idea that it might actually be okay to have fun and not give a shit if they're being judged.

if you think that works, do it!

but lose the air of "everybody should do it".

Quote
So, creation. Ordered creation, disordered creation, doesn't matter. Just create.

No.

Not "just" create. Destruction is necesary and healthy too.

:thumb: This is all awesome. I was going to say something along these lines, but it would not have come out as clear.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 11:54:34 PM
heh, and I was on the brink of removing that post because I thought others before me had said it so much more clearly :)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Dimocritus on December 17, 2009, 11:56:25 PM
My waters have the clarity of manure compared to that post.  :cry:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 18, 2009, 02:53:06 AM
<Derail>Wait, who the hell is Kaienne?  How does somebody make almost 400 posts before I see them for the first time?</Derail>
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: LMNO on December 18, 2009, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 18, 2009, 02:53:06 AM
<Derail>Wait, who the hell is Kaienne?  How does somebody make almost 400 posts before I see them for the first time?</Derail>

Showed up, made a bunch of posts, flamed out.  We made a bad habit out of mocking him.


I say "bad habit" because we almost lost Kai because of it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 18, 2009, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 18, 2009, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 18, 2009, 02:53:06 AM
<Derail>Wait, who the hell is Kaienne?  How does somebody make almost 400 posts before I see them for the first time?</Derail>

Showed up, made a bunch of posts, flamed out.  We made a bad habit out of mocking him.


I say "bad habit" because we almost lost Kai because of it.

Also I think Kaienne moved somewhere and wasn't online for awhile or something... its been a minute.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: the last yatto on December 27, 2009, 10:18:55 AM
this thread actually reads much better backwards
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Dimocritus on December 28, 2009, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: Yatto on December 27, 2009, 10:18:55 AM
this thread actually reads much better backwards

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Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: the last yatto on December 28, 2009, 09:31:45 PM
eno egap evelewt egap ni sa sdrawkcab gnikniht

˙˙˙ǝʌıʇɐǝɹɔ ʇǝƃ oʇ ʇuɐʍ ʎןןɐǝɹ noʎ ɟı uɐǝɯ ı

Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 06, 2010, 04:52:19 AM
So, are we doing evagelism/outreach?  Can I help?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Telarus on January 06, 2010, 05:06:27 AM
Reach out and touch some pineal glands.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 06, 2010, 05:07:32 AM
Quote from: Telarus on January 06, 2010, 05:06:27 AM
Reach out and touch some pineal glands.

lolpinealfnord.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on January 06, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
btw: great propaganda pack for spreading the word

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8607238/The-Book-of-Life


Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 06, 2010, 04:52:19 AM
So, are we doing evagelism/outreach?  Can I help?

we are. So far, there is no organized effort. Just go out there and tell people about Eris.

directing them to pd.com or 23ae.com is a good start
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Triple Zero on January 06, 2010, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 06, 2010, 05:07:32 AM
Quote from: Telarus on January 06, 2010, 05:06:27 AM
Reach out and touch some pineal glands.

lolpinealfnord.

NOT YOUR OWN

YOU'LL GO BLIND
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: the last yatto on January 07, 2010, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 06, 2010, 04:52:19 AM
So, are we doing evagelism/outreach?  Can I help?
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/principia-discordia-evangelical-edition/5090363

BUY AS MANY AS YOU CAN
EITHER attempt to get any store to stock it as a valid product
OR goto a comic book shop and sneak a few on the shelf
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2010, 06:46:02 PM
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 07, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 06:46:02 PM
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on January 09, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
It occurs to me that dressing up and going door to door to try and convert people might be a hell of a lot of fun even if its useless.

Hell, especially if its useless.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on January 09, 2010, 05:56:22 PM
Ooo, Requia, it'd be funnier still if the Jehovah's Witnesses were out and you ended up racing each other.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 09, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 09, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
It occurs to me that dressing up and going door to door to try and convert people might be a hell of a lot of fun even if its useless.

Hell, especially if its useless.

I keep thinking about doing this.  I am a wuss so haven't done it yet, but it would be fun.

I'm still waiting till the weather gets a bit better though.

Also it's not the JW's who are likely to get in a debate with you in my experience, it's the Mormons.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on January 10, 2010, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 09, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 09, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
It occurs to me that dressing up and going door to door to try and convert people might be a hell of a lot of fun even if its useless.

Hell, especially if its useless.

I keep thinking about doing this.  I am a wuss so haven't done it yet, but it would be fun.

I'm still waiting till the weather gets a bit better though.

Also it's not the JW's who are likely to get in a debate with you in my experience, it's the Mormons.

We don't get door to door mormons here, they are usually more towards the business parts of town. But we do get JWs.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Nast on January 10, 2010, 02:13:39 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 10, 2010, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 09, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 09, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
It occurs to me that dressing up and going door to door to try and convert people might be a hell of a lot of fun even if its useless.

Hell, especially if its useless.

I keep thinking about doing this.  I am a wuss so haven't done it yet, but it would be fun.

I'm still waiting till the weather gets a bit better though.

Also it's not the JW's who are likely to get in a debate with you in my experience, it's the Mormons.

We don't get door to door mormons here, they are usually more towards the business parts of town. But we do get JWs.

Door Mormons! I always get excited when I see them but they never show up at our door. I want to do naughty things to them.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on January 10, 2010, 05:15:47 AM
any ideas for recruiting large groups of people at once?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on January 10, 2010, 11:39:45 AM
Conversion by the sword?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cain on January 10, 2010, 03:17:28 PM
Seriously though, I think the best is to

a) do lots of crazy, attention-grabbing stunts
b) provide a platform where people can join in and help
c) make it clear we appreciate any help and interest
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on January 10, 2010, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2010, 05:15:47 AM
any ideas for recruiting large groups of people at once?

Soap-box scripture reading downtown at the lunch hour?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Telarus on January 10, 2010, 11:13:05 PM
-Have props and costumes to pass out to the crowd (anyone know how to make a paper pope hat?)

-Involve the whole crowd in some repetitive/rit behavior, like a laughing circle.

-[impromptu drama]   ???????

-Give them something to do afterward. Have enough memebombs on cardstock that everyone gets a few. Discuss ideas for placing/using them. Discuss contact networks, like the OmGasm and PosterGasm tags on flikr, etc, etc.

------------------------------------------------------

Finding other group activities and schedule coinciding street-theatre. Throw plastic eggs with meme bombs, etc in them. Have characters accuse some-one in the other group activity of offending their/their-sister honor, or similar mcguffin. Stage ridiculous boffer fights. Pass out fake mustaches. Memorize a rant or two to be recited, practice your frothing at the mouth crazy stance well beforehand. Learn conversation interrupts (many of the memebombs in the database would be good for this).
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 11, 2010, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Nasturtiums on January 10, 2010, 02:13:39 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 10, 2010, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 09, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 09, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
It occurs to me that dressing up and going door to door to try and convert people might be a hell of a lot of fun even if its useless.

Hell, especially if its useless.

I keep thinking about doing this.  I am a wuss so haven't done it yet, but it would be fun.

I'm still waiting till the weather gets a bit better though.

Also it's not the JW's who are likely to get in a debate with you in my experience, it's the Mormons.

We don't get door to door mormons here, they are usually more towards the business parts of town. But we do get JWs.

Door Mormons! I always get excited when I see them but they never show up at our door. I want to do naughty things to them.

Those Mormons will come right in and sit down and they bring movies and everything.  Pretty entertaining movies if you like that sort of thing.  They'll also insist that Mormonism and Paganism are basically the same thing.  I imagine they'd do this with any Religion you light choose to proclaim yourself belonging to.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 11, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 11, 2010, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Nasturtiums on January 10, 2010, 02:13:39 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 10, 2010, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 09, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 09, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
It occurs to me that dressing up and going door to door to try and convert people might be a hell of a lot of fun even if its useless.

Hell, especially if its useless.

I keep thinking about doing this.  I am a wuss so haven't done it yet, but it would be fun.

I'm still waiting till the weather gets a bit better though.

Also it's not the JW's who are likely to get in a debate with you in my experience, it's the Mormons.

We don't get door to door mormons here, they are usually more towards the business parts of town. But we do get JWs.

Door Mormons! I always get excited when I see them but they never show up at our door. I want to do naughty things to them.

Those Mormons will come right in and sit down and they bring movies and everything.  Pretty entertaining movies if you like that sort of thing.  They'll also insist that Mormonism and Paganism are basically the same thing.  I imagine they'd do this with any Religion you light choose to proclaim yourself belonging to.

Classic move straight from the Original Evangelist:

Quote22 "Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious[3].

23"For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
—Acts 17:22-17:31
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 11, 2010, 08:58:10 PM
I found it pretty funny and it made it hard for me to take anything else they said seriously.  It could definitely be a fun approach though.

"oh, well Discordianism is basically the same as Catholicism.  We believe in waking up in the morning too"
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on January 11, 2010, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on January 11, 2010, 08:58:10 PM
I found it pretty funny and it made it hard for me to take anything else they said seriously.  It could definitely be a fun approach though.

"oh, well Discordianism is basically the same as Catholicism.  We believe in waking up in the morning too"

I was gonna do the argumentative Discordian thing just to be funny, but I changed my mind because this thread is too full of good ideas to mess with.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2010, 01:18:35 AM
That could be a fun thing to do, have one person present something perfectly innocent as dogma, then have the other person present a perfectly innocent (yet opposite) piece of dogma and get into a flaming row while onlookers watch.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on January 12, 2010, 02:25:07 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2010, 01:18:35 AM
That could be a fun thing to do, have one person present something perfectly innocent as dogma, then have the other person present a perfectly innocent (yet opposite) piece of dogma and get into a flaming row while onlookers watch.

Do it while door to dooring? :lulz:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2010, 03:02:25 AM
Or in public, but yeah, anything where you're evangelizing with a partner.  Don't make a routine (unless you both happen to be top notch actors) just agree with each other that if the opportunity comes up to argue with vigor over *anything*.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BabylonHoruv on January 12, 2010, 03:03:49 AM
This is a great idea.

Also, door to dooring with a partner is a good idea not just because of possibilities for fun things like this.  Also for safety.  Especcially if you are going hardcore like Mormons and asking to come into people's houses and whatnot.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: the last yatto on January 12, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
http://thegauntlet.ca/story/3636
March 4, 2004
Make your own Pope hat!
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Telarus on January 12, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2010, 03:02:25 AM
Or in public, but yeah, anything where you're evangelizing with a partner.  Don't make a routine (unless you both happen to be top notch actors) just agree with each other that if the opportunity comes up to argue with vigor over *anything*.

Yay! Exactly. Also fun: picking a wildly random deity to proselytize about and wandering downtown looking for other street preachers to hang out with. Bonus points if you're wearing a viking helmet(or other appropriate headgear), and have props or propaganda to hand out.

-Explain to them that you are actually on 'their side', but that 'Our God' has sent you there with specific instructions to test and challenge their technique....start preaching loudly for Loki, or Wicca or FSM.
-Get progressively louder than the other street preacher, then suddenly walk up to them and have a conversation in a low to normal voice.
-Have a small group of people all obviously costumed for different faiths. Sneak up on other street preachers and surround them all at once with a crowd praising YHWH, Buddha, Krishna, Eris, Thor, Odin, and Goku from Dragonball Z.
-Get a loud-speaker that you can route MP3s through. Find uber-memorable movie soundtrack moments, like the Imperial March from Star Wars. Follow your new proselytizing buddy around. Play the imperial march everytime he walks, or Vader saying "I find your lack of faith disturbing." OR "You don't know the power of the dark side!" at hilarious moments of their faith-ranting.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cramulus on January 12, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
in terms of scale, this is still small beans

Figure you stand out on the street corner barking scripture at strangers. How many do you think you can convert in an hour? It's kind of tough!

The power is limited by how many people you bark at, how effective the barking is, & how many people are out there evangelizing. I don't suspect it's that much.


mass media is the ticket. that way you only have to rant once and can benefit from it multiple times.


Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Captain Utopia on January 12, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Upload to youtube, and become an internet street preacher?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 12, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Oh boy, I went to reply to this thread and I got these red letters telling me I should be careful. I hate red letters, they never have anything nice to say.   :|

Moving on...



I think a good idea would be to find right wing christian publications or websites and send them letters/emails about the dangerous new trend of Eris worship (We dont name discordia directly). Growing up in a pentacostal church and reading many of the publications put out catering to Christians I know that they will not only latch on to any idea that will inspire fear in the hearts of the readers but they also dont have the highest journalistic standards.
Imagine if we could get the 700 club or something to speak out on the "Terrifying new Eris Cult". It would also fit in with the idea of dropping very subtle hints in the media about dark "Discordians" fighting evil Illuminati.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/discordianism.htm

This is a good example of the kind of material we could end up producing.(Although this site invokes Poes Law to the MAX)

We could even find ways to tie it in with things people are irrationally afraid of. Like what if we say its some new sect of Radical Islam, or a Socialist Terrorist group. What if we started a rumor that Obama was a member of this "Secret Erisian cult", we might even get Glenn Beck to talk about it.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Telarus on August 12, 2010, 08:29:32 PM
QuoteI didn't wrote this article to refute all the details of Discordianism; but, rather, to EXPOSE Discordianism for what it truly is, WITCHCRAFT!!!


I love how he uses St Mae's Discordian.com as evidence of the WITCHCRAFT!!!!!11!!111 connection.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 12, 2010, 09:43:54 PM
Quote from: Kingderp on August 12, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Oh boy, I went to reply to this thread and I got these red letters telling me I should be careful. I hate red letters, they never have anything nice to say.   :|

Moving on...



I think a good idea would be to find right wing christian publications or websites and send them letters/emails about the dangerous new trend of Eris worship (We dont name discordia directly). Growing up in a pentacostal church and reading many of the publications put out catering to Christians I know that they will not only latch on to any idea that will inspire fear in the hearts of the readers but they also dont have the highest journalistic standards.
Imagine if we could get the 700 club or something to speak out on the "Terrifying new Eris Cult". It would also fit in with the idea of dropping very subtle hints in the media about dark "Discordians" fighting evil Illuminati.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/discordianism.htm

This is a good example of the kind of material we could end up producing.(Although this site invokes Poes Law to the MAX)

We could even find ways to tie it in with things people are irrationally afraid of. Like what if we say its some new sect of Radical Islam, or a Socialist Terrorist group. What if we started a rumor that Obama was a member of this "Secret Erisian cult", we might even get Glenn Beck to talk about it.

Careful with associating us with the T word. I don't want to meet up with you guys in a Turkish interrogation room. I'd rather do it at the bar.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Requia ☣ on August 13, 2010, 04:40:47 AM
I agree with NT there, no T word.

I love the idea of starting a rumor that Obama is a secret Discordian though.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 13, 2010, 04:53:51 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 13, 2010, 04:40:47 AM
I agree with NT there, no T word.

I love the idea of starting a rumor that Obama is a secret Discordian though.

Makes about as much sense as all the other wacky shit people say about him  :lulz:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BadBeast on August 13, 2010, 12:35:49 PM
I think ramping down the T word, wherever possible with the less potent "Alarmist" , or even "Mild Alarmist" helps to re-establish a sense of proportion, and takes the focus away from the pokier terms.
Reign of Alarm, War on Alarm, The Anti Alarm Squad, hard to the whole thing so seriously then.

"An International Alarmist Group" called the Cast Iron Trolls, thought to have links with The Discordians, yesterday launched a half hearted attack of mild alarm, and puzzlement with a stickering campaign, across four American Cities. Anti-Alarm Squads warned people today not to read any signposts, or "suspicious looking wordage" they may see, advising them to call the Authorities at the first signs of bemusement. "The Danger is minimal" a Spokesman for the Whitehouse said today, but refused to comment on the allegation that the President himself was mildly alarmed last night when Hilary Clinton came into the Oval Office without an appointment."
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 13, 2010, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 13, 2010, 04:40:47 AM
I agree with NT there, no T word.

I love the idea of starting a rumor that Obama is a secret Discordian though.

Yeah, terrorism wasnt the best Idea.

But the whole thing about causing fear in the right wing of us I think could work if executed properly. And once the right wing is scared of us its only a matter of time till Obama gets labeled as one of us. Imagine if they actually pulled that out during the elections in 2012. Speaking of which, I cant wait for the next election just so I can make "Eris/Cthulhu 2012" bumper stickers.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Iron Sulfide on August 14, 2010, 06:54:50 AM
how possible would it be/what would it take to get Anti-Erisian propaganda on the Jack Van Impe hour?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 14, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on August 14, 2010, 06:54:50 AM
how possible would it be/what would it take to get Anti-Erisian propaganda on the Jack Van Impe hour?

The guy who said God sends the souls of sinners into black holes?

Not much Id assume.
:lulz:

In all seriousness, an Idea I had was that we could create our own christian "study" on the shocking rise of Erisian Paganism among the youth of today. We could also detail the horrid things that Eris worshipers do like Sex orgies and defaming churches and nativity scenes. Connecting it to the "Homosexual Agenda" would probably be our best bet. We could have "statistics" about the prominence of Eris worship among homosexuals in California, perhaps linking the Judge from the Prop 8 ruling with this "Anti-christian Erisian gay sex cult".

Another Idea would be to infiltrate christian forums and spread rumors about this dangerous Eris cult. Perhaps we could even infiltrate some of the Ex-Gay christian forums.

The key to all of this is to not name "Discordia" directly, because then just a quick google search would reveal it all as a joke. Wed have to make sure it was always an unnamed and mysterious group that worshiped Eris.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: the last yatto on August 14, 2010, 11:01:20 PM
Aww look another concordian :fnord:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Ruby on August 14, 2010, 11:10:40 PM
Cramulus: There are probably less than a thousand of us in the world. And by "us" I mean people who identify, at least in part, with Eris. A lot of you would never call yourselves a Discordian outright, but let's be straight, all of us are Discordians.

Me: This reminds me of so many of the f*cked in the head individuals I know, bound within their own confusion (Eris being the representation of confusion driven by revenge.) and hell-bent on taking everyone else down with 'em. So, before I get a thousand knives my way, joining this site and finding myself corrected ;D is sure to be an experience.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 14, 2010, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Ruby on August 14, 2010, 11:10:40 PM

Me: This reminds me of so many of the f*cked in the head individuals I know, bound within their own confusion (Eris being the representation of confusion driven by revenge.) and hell-bent on taking everyone else down with 'em. So, before I get a thousand knives my way, joining this site and finding myself corrected ;D is sure to be an experience.

Wat
:kingmeh:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 15, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Ruby on August 14, 2010, 11:10:40 PM
Cramulus: There are probably less than a thousand of us in the world. And by "us" I mean people who identify, at least in part, with Eris. A lot of you would never call yourselves a Discordian outright, but let's be straight, all of us are Discordians.

Me: This reminds me of so many of the f*cked in the head individuals I know, bound within their own confusion (Eris being the representation of confusion driven by revenge.) and hell-bent on taking everyone else down with 'em. So, before I get a thousand knives my way, joining this site and finding myself corrected ;D is sure to be an experience.

The English language is amazing. It has only 26 letters in its alphabet, but from those 26 letters, millions of words can be composed. Using those words, there are limitless possible sentences, a never-ending array of thoughts that can be conveyed.

Amazing, however, is not magical. That is, at least some possible combinations of words are completely meaningless and unintelligible.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Vexati0n: Amazing, however, is not magical. That is, at least some possible combinations of words are completely meaningless and unintelligible.

Hmmhmm, like your thought process proves.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 15, 2010, 12:58:37 AM
Now, for something semi-constructive. Well, at least some random thoughts I have on the subject of Discordian in general and Discordian Evangelism in particular.

Discordianism has been compared to Zen Buddhism. I think to an extent there are philosophical similarities between the two traditions, but I doubt that comparison is very useful to a Discordian evangelist. While both Discordianism and Buddhism mention "enlightenment" at some point, the two versions of "enlightenment" are not very similar at all.

In Buddhism, "enlightenment" is a state of awareness where the physical realm and the self fade or disappear completely, leaving only true consciousness, and allowing the practitioner to behave in a universally compassionate and wise manner. The enlightened Buddhist is thus freed from the chains of mortality and ego.

In contrast, Discordian "enlightenment" consists of the practitioner achieving a state of awareness where the physical realm and the self remain, but where the political, religious, and groupthink instincts disappear; and the practioner subsequently acts like a damned uncivilized jackal. Thus, the enlightened Discordian is freed from the chains of peer pressure and from the social predetermination of his destiny. It may be worth noting that the enlightened Subgenius is nearly the same, except he is also freed from $30.

Now as for evangelism, we have to be careful, if we are evangelizing Discordianism, to portray it as what it is. Discordianism is almost anything, which should make this part easy; unfortunately, what Discordianism is not is much easier to convey to a person. Discordianism is not, for example, a strictly intellectual pursuit. It is not a thing where you say "oh I got it now" and then behave as if the thought never occurred to you that you are actually a free agent around here and you can pretty much do what you want.

Most (successful) evangelism for other, more respectable religions is done by providing an example first and an explanation last, with as many possible barriers between the example and the explanation as possible in order to filter out the merely-curious from (or convert them to) the genuinely-interested. The examples set by successful evangelists have historically taken the form of behavior that is a welcome and surprisingly attractive alternative to the Status Quo, while being as absolutely non-threatening as possible. Early Buddhist evangelists were extremely polite, compassionate, and respectful among people where were used to boorish and violent behavior.

I think the best idea is one that displays a clear, easily-accessible, starkly different, but eminently plausible alternative to mainstream thought patterns. The first and most likely people to notice will be those who are already looking for an alternative but haven't found the right one yet, so the evangelical approach should be one that targets that kind of person directly. Don't aim for people who are already successful and happy doing whatever it is society tells them to do, aim for people who have been left out. That doesn't mean unpopular subcultures, necessarily, since many of those are more cult-like and have a firmer grasp on their members' imaginations than the mainstream anyway.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
That is all really fantastic! However, is it proven within individual works, or is it merely a philosophical approach. The evidence of 'Zen' like behaviour is not at all what I have been a witness to thus far, and so, hence, :lutz: I came here to find out from more than 'a select few'.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: the last yatto on August 15, 2010, 01:20:16 AM
Few and far between
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 15, 2010, 01:31:16 AM
Quote from: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
That is all really fantastic! However, is it proven within individual works, or is it merely a philosophical approach. The evidence of 'Zen' like behaviour is not at all what I have been a witness to thus far, and so, hence, :lutz: I came here to find out from more than 'a select few'.

:horrormirth:
That post gave me cancer.

(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/rcundiff665/Spiderman.jpg)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Don Coyote on August 15, 2010, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
That is all really fantastic! However, is it proven within individual works, or is it merely a philosophical approach. The evidence of 'Zen' like behaviour is not at all what I have been a witness to thus far, and so, hence, :lutz: I came here to find out from more than 'a select few'.

You have a hard time at reading comprehension don't you?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 15, 2010, 01:34:22 AM
Quote from: The Great Bovinity on August 15, 2010, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
That is all really fantastic! However, is it proven within individual works, or is it merely a philosophical approach. The evidence of 'Zen' like behaviour is not at all what I have been a witness to thus far, and so, hence, :lutz: I came here to find out from more than 'a select few'.

You have a hard time at reading comprehension don't you?

I think he might be a dyslexic. Or some strange breed of troll.
Perhaps some strange breed dyslexic troll.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 04:43:32 AM
She has an outstanding talent for wilfully misunderstanding just about anything anybody says. It's either going to develop into hilarious posts, or die the usual "Crap Troll" death, suffered by the last
*insert number* crap Trolls.

(Sorry to say,I suspect the latter)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Don Coyote on August 15, 2010, 04:46:20 AM
Quote from: Kingderp on August 15, 2010, 01:34:22 AM
Quote from: The Great Bovinity on August 15, 2010, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
That is all really fantastic! However, is it proven within individual works, or is it merely a philosophical approach. The evidence of 'Zen' like behaviour is not at all what I have been a witness to thus far, and so, hence, :lutz: I came here to find out from more than 'a select few'.

You have a hard time at reading comprehension don't you?

I think he might be a dyslexic. Or some strange breed of troll.
Perhaps some strange breed dyslexic troll.

This person has a huge amount of stupid. She thought, for whatever reason, that coming here from TCC would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:15:32 AM
It is a good idea though. Now she can be as stupid as she wants, (Obviously her way of asking  for help  :fap: )   And now we can "help" her without getting sat in a corner, or constantly berated by MyldTwat  WyldKat, saying "Fucking leave it out you stupid Discordians" "Now now children, play nicely". (Which is getting right on my tits, btw if she is reading this)

I think there may be a few more defectors from TCC posting here, **Sniffs air** which is fine. It's only stupids when they try trolling us, in revenge for outing Snakeman. (TCC's very own Big Gay Cowboy)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 15, 2010, 05:37:09 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:15:32 AM
It is a good idea though. Now she can be as stupid as she wants, (Obviously her way of asking  for help  :fap: )   And now we can "help" her without getting sat in a corner, or constantly berated by MyldTwat  WyldKat, saying "Fucking leave it out you stupid Discordians" "Now now children, play nicely". (Which is getting right on my tits, btw if she is reading this)

I think there may be a few more defectors from TCC posting here, **Sniffs air** which is fine. It's only stupids when they try trolling us, in revenge for outing Snakeman. (TCC's very own Big Gay Cowboy)

I want to hear more about your tits.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:48:40 AM
Quote from: vexati0n on August 15, 2010, 05:37:09 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:15:32 AM
It is a good idea though. Now she can be as stupid as she wants, (Obviously her way of asking  for help  :fap: )   And now we can "help" her without getting sat in a corner, or constantly berated by MyldTwat  WyldKat, saying "Fucking leave it out you stupid Discordians" "Now now children, play nicely". (Which is getting right on my tits, btw if she is reading this)

I think there may be a few more defectors from TCC posting here, **Sniffs air** which is fine. It's only stupids when they try trolling us, in revenge for outing Snakeman. (TCC's very own Big Gay Cowboy)

I want to hear more about your tits.
Unfortunately (for you) they are only metaphorical tits. If I did have tits, they would be small, pert, and perfectly formed. Firm, but jiggly, with small brown, eminently chewable nipples.  (However, being male, and hetero, I would just stay indoors all day, playing with them) Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 15, 2010, 05:52:22 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:48:40 AM
Quote from: vexati0n on August 15, 2010, 05:37:09 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:15:32 AM
It is a good idea though. Now she can be as stupid as she wants, (Obviously her way of asking  for help  :fap: )   And now we can "help" her without getting sat in a corner, or constantly berated by MyldTwat  WyldKat, saying "Fucking leave it out you stupid Discordians" "Now now children, play nicely". (Which is getting right on my tits, btw if she is reading this)

I think there may be a few more defectors from TCC posting here, **Sniffs air** which is fine. It's only stupids when they try trolling us, in revenge for outing Snakeman. (TCC's very own Big Gay Cowboy)

I want to hear more about your tits.
Unfortunately (for you) they are only metaphorical tits. If I did have tits, they would be small, pert, and perfectly formed. Firm, but jiggly, with small brown, eminently chewable nipples.  (However, being male, and hetero, I would just stay indoors all day, playing with them) Hope this helps.

Eh, boring. You have the same imaginary boobs I have.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Telarus on August 15, 2010, 06:08:10 AM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Ruby on August 15, 2010, 01:15:43 PM
Confirmed, you're all a bunch of ninnies with nothing better to do than each other.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 02:59:37 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on August 15, 2010, 05:52:22 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:48:40 AM
Quote from: vexati0n on August 15, 2010, 05:37:09 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 05:15:32 AM
It is a good idea though. Now she can be as stupid as she wants, (Obviously her way of asking  for help  :fap: )   And now we can "help" her without getting sat in a corner, or constantly berated by MyldTwat  WyldKat, saying "Fucking leave it out you stupid Discordians" "Now now children, play nicely". (Which is getting right on my tits, btw if she is reading this)

I think there may be a few more defectors from TCC posting here, **Sniffs air** which is fine. It's only stupids when they try trolling us, in revenge for outing Snakeman. (TCC's very own Big Gay Cowboy)

I want to hear more about your tits.
Unfortunately (for you) they are only metaphorical tits. If I did have tits, they would be small, pert, and perfectly formed. Firm, but jiggly, with small brown, eminently chewable nipples.  (However, being male, and hetero, I would just stay indoors all day, playing with them) Hope this helps.

Eh, boring. You have the same imaginary boobs I have.
Yeah right! You're only saying that because mine are so perfect, and your's are really like a set of Nanny goat's udders!
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Payne on August 15, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Let it never be said that Discord is dead
'Cos there's so little else occupying my head
There is nothing I need 'cept the quote function, see?
but I'm not Really Real, what am I doin' at PD

Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby

Due to lack of intelligence content is cancelled
Let the topics be refreshed and the :fap: emotes held
'Cos there's nothing at all 'cept the space in between (your ears)
Finding out what you're called and repeating your laem

Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby

Could it be, could it be, that you're the worst of TCC?
And you don't really see you're on PD
Could it be, could it be, that you're the worst of TCC?
And you don't really see you're on PD

Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby

Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on August 15, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, that is why Payne is a Good Reverend and The Motherfucking Messiah at the same time, and you're not.
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Freeky on August 15, 2010, 06:24:36 PM
Fucking Hell, Payne, you're on a roll today! Or something!
:mittens:
:potd:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: MMIX on August 15, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
Still prefer the Kaiser Chiefs version - it has just as much Ruby but far less TCC . . .
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: BadBeast on August 15, 2010, 07:04:41 PM
Payne, that's better than the original, even in it's present silent accapella version. (Are you sure you're not Elvish?)
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on August 20, 2010, 08:05:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on August 15, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Let it never be said that Discord is dead
'Cos there's so little else occupying my head
There is nothing I need 'cept the quote function, see?
but I'm not Really Real, what am I doin' at PD

Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby

Due to lack of intelligence content is cancelled
Let the topics be refreshed and the :fap: emotes held
'Cos there's nothing at all 'cept the space in between (your ears)
Finding out what you're called and repeating your laem

Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby

Could it be, could it be, that you're the worst of TCC?
And you don't really see you're on PD
Could it be, could it be, that you're the worst of TCC?
And you don't really see you're on PD

Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?
Ruby, ruby, ruby, ruby

Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya
Know what ya posting, posting at me?

:lulz:
Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 27, 2010, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Ruby on September 27, 2010, 08:35:21 PM
(Mock agreeing confuses the supposed wise - well noted.)

You seem to conflate "confused" with "laughing at your crazy ass".

Title: Re: Discordian Evangelism
Post by: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 28, 2010, 03:51:42 AM
Maaaaaaaan, why are there two threads of flaming Ruby? One thread is good enough for that bitch. :argh!: