I really really really hate it when people ask me what religion I am. Mostly because Discordianism is such an obscure religion that not many people know about. But the main problem I have is that it is almost impossible to describe to someone in just a couple of sentences. It usually takes about 5 minutes of explaining and/or throwing a copy of the PD at their head.
So here is the challenge I presenting to all of you: What is the shortest explanation of Discordianism that you can give? I'm not asking what Discordianism means to you. We've got plenty of other threads about that. I want a short universal definition that I can spit out and get people off of my back.
Ok, ready? Go!
"Take an ancient Greek deity, interpret her through some hippies, claim that doing this yields the only true answer because it doesn't actually answer anything. And that's Discordianism. If you want to know more, stick around. If you think I'm a psychopath, it probably isn't for you...."
Usually works for me.
It's not so much a religion
as it is a dodgeball cannon.
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Here's what I do:
Very plainly, "I worship the goddess of chaos and strife."
Then the conversation proceeds in one of two ways:
[ They ask for some further explanation ]
To which I respond: "What?" and if they persist, act as if I have no idea what they're talking about.
Or, they ask, "What?" in which case I respond "Exactly."
I cannot honestly think of a more accurate way to get the point across.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on June 26, 2008, 03:20:35 AM
Here's what I do:
Very plainly, "I worship the goddess of chaos and strife."
I tell them our religion is dedicated to destroying America and everything else they hold dear.
Depending on whether I think the person will understand, my answer varies.
Usually I answer with "I'm a Discordian"
They say "What's a Discordian?"
I shrug and say "That's a good question."
Or if I have faith in the intelligence of the ape in question I may explain it further.
Definition that I was thinking of using:
1) Militant subjectivism
2) worshiping the fractal nature of the universe
Both they both sounds so goddamn pretentious.
Silly postmodernism.
The one time I explained Discordianism, I started with the hot dogs without a bun on Friday thing. When he asked if Discordian's actually do that, I said 'no, why would we?'
Hm.. that's interesting.
I always read "shall partake of No Hotdog Buns" as different from "hot dogs without buns". In my mind, no hotdog buns was always a single concept, not an absence of hotdog buns. Hence the caps.
Of course this discussion would bore everyone here to death, so I shall proceed no further.
Conversation is usually short and to the point
Q) Silly, what religion are you?
SC) Are you taking the fucking piss or what?
seems to cover those kinds of questions thoroughly enough, especially when accompanied by my pat. pending "one more remark like that and I'll rip off your left leg and fuck the stump" - look.
Im too embarrassed by all the hippism to tell people about discordism
When people ask my religion I ask when was the last time they jacked off or took a dump. Its none of their damn business. If I want to tell someone, for recruitment/propaganda purposes, then that is something different...but nosy people should fuck off.
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2008, 01:57:33 PM
When people ask my religion I ask when was the last time they jacked off or took a dump. Its none of their damn business. If I want to tell someone, for recruitment/propaganda purposes, then that is something different...but nosy people should fuck off.
:mittens:
I tend to be the same. When they ask, I ask Why?
It usually goes with.... "I was just wondering/curious/making conversations"
Then I again ask.... "why"
That one response avoids a lot of issues. I live and work in the midwest catholic central recruitment city, a church on every corner and a fish fry every friday in lent.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 26, 2008, 02:16:30 AM
I really really really hate it when people ask me what religion I am. Mostly because Discordianism is such an obscure religion that not many people know about. But the main problem I have is that it is almost impossible to describe to someone in just a couple of sentences. It usually takes about 5 minutes of explaining and/or throwing a copy of the PD at their head.
So here is the challenge I presenting to all of you: What is the shortest explanation of Discordianism that you can give? I'm not asking what Discordianism means to you. We've got plenty of other threads about that. I want a short universal definition that I can spit out and get people off of my back.
Ok, ready? Go!
"You really don't want to know."
But if I had to be pressed, I'd say, "We tend to believe that the universe is unpredictable, and Order and Disorder are self-imposed constructs. We also tend to believe in Thinking for Yourself, and finding revelation through argument."
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on June 26, 2008, 01:49:56 PM
Im too embarrassed by all the hippism to tell people about discordism
Wrong answer. Poop your hippie religion all over them. Then tell them to fuck off and die.
If nothing else, the sudden shift in gears should be worth a hoot.
i like this one and variations thereof:
Quote from: Payne on June 26, 2008, 02:23:00 AM"Take an ancient Greek deity, interpret her through some hippies, claim that doing this yields the only true answer because it doesn't actually answer anything. And that's Discordianism. If you want to know more, stick around. If you think I'm a psychopath, it probably isn't for you...."
also LMNOs one is really short and succinct and pretty much describes it for me, except for the activism bit, which is new but also important (and new)
Quote from: LMNO on June 26, 2008, 02:37:44 PM"We tend to believe that the universe is unpredictable, and Order and Disorder are self-imposed constructs. We also tend to believe in Thinking for Yourself, and finding revelation through argument."
My response to the "What is your relegion" question varies based upon my mood.
Bad Mood:
Fuck off!
Normal Mood:
Me: I'm a(n) Discordian Atheist (Atheist Discordian).
Them: *blank look*
Me: I do not believe in gods or goddesses, but if I did I would firmly believe that the universe was created by a crazy Greek woman.
Good Mood:
Me: I'm a Discordian Pirate.
Them: *blank look*
Me: *Steal something that belongs to the questioner then bugger the hell out of them while drunk on rum*
I do the polite/annoying version of Cain's technique. I am extremely dodgy about what religion I "belong to", and I've been practicing KYFMS since I first found Discordianism.
So far I have only introduced only one person to the PD and this website, because I trust her mightily, and I had great fun in Hawaii by being able to talk at length about religions with another one of my best friends, only to reveal later that I was not actually a member of whichever religion I happened to be talking about. Unfortunately she caught on and I wasn't able to pass myself off as a Buddhist, but it was highly amusing while it lasted.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 26, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
Definition that I was thinking of using: Militant subjectivism
WINNAR.
E/O/T.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on June 30, 2008, 06:12:29 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 26, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
Definition that I was thinking of using: Militant subjectivism
WINNAR.
E/O/T.
:thanks: Believe it or not, I've actually used that phrase here before.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 31, 2008, 06:11:42 AM
Discordians are forged in the fires of mental instability and militant subjectivism. Alcohol seems to help too.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on June 26, 2008, 02:35:17 AM
It's not so much a religion
as it is a dodgeball cannon.
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I said "shut up", Stormy
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Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 26, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
Definition that I was thinking of using:
1) Militant subjectivism
2) worshiping the fractal nature of the universe
Both they both sounds so goddamn pretentious.
Indeed my friend!
But it is all contained in
The good BookFIVE TONS OF FLAX my friend!
A religion disguised a joke! Or Vice Versa! To Infinity my friend!
Whatever you want it to be my friend!
Subjectivism? I SUNK IT
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 05:18:58 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 26, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
Definition that I was thinking of using:
1) Militant subjectivism
2) worshiping the fractal nature of the universe
Both they both sounds so goddamn pretentious.
Indeed my friend!
But it is all contained in The good Book
FIVE TONS OF FLAX my friend!
A religion disguised a joke! Or Vice Versa! To Infinity my friend!
Whatever you want it to be my friend!
Subjectivism? I SUNK IT
Jesus. Not another one.
TGRR,
Doesn't mind 6 years of noobs who think we haven't read the PD. No, really. I like this shit.
I weep.
Look on the bright side.
Atleast he hasn't mentioned cattle, asparagus, fascists, or real discordians.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 06:15:01 AM
Quote from: Cainad on July 04, 2008, 05:54:27 AM
I weep.
nnng
unnnng
hurk blorg puke
unnnnnng
I'd recommend Pepto-Bismol, but it won't help. The hate must be purged.
Quote from: Risus on July 04, 2008, 06:15:46 AM
Look on the bright side.
Atleast he hasn't mentioned cattle, asparagus, fascists, or real discordians.
Always look on the bright side of fail, eh?
Gee whiz, don't get ya'll's panties in a bunch and derail the thread here on my account.
In unvacuous honesty I see Discordianism as the jazz of religions. I don't actually like jazz, but it represents to me the rawness of creativity and ideas, with no confusing or misinterpretable meaning. It just is, for the sake of is.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 06:23:26 AM
Gee whiz, don't get ya'll's panties in a bunch and derail the thread here on my account.
In unvacuous honesty I see Discordianism as the jazz of religions. I don't actually like jazz, but it represents to me the rawness of creativity and ideas, with no confusing or misinterpretable meaning. It just is, for the sake of is.
Go peddle your Zen bullshit elsewhere.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 06:34:59 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 06:23:26 AM
Gee whiz, don't get ya'll's panties in a bunch and derail the thread here on my account.
In unvacuous honesty I see Discordianism as the jazz of religions. I don't actually like jazz, but it represents to me the rawness of creativity and ideas, with no confusing or misinterpretable meaning. It just is, for the sake of is.
Go peddle your Zen bullshit elsewhere.
Wait, wait! He said "rawness of creativity and ideas"!
Could he be on to something here?!
possibly, definitely!
hey Sir Inkblot, why dont you just get going with the rawness of creativity and ideas like the rest of us? Check out the Operation:Mindfuck subforum and the GASM subcommand for our sekrit missions.
they totally have a rawness of creativity and ideas to them.
hell, if you have actual new ideas we'd even like to hear those as well.
unrelated, i used exactly that exploding GIF animation from your avatar for exploding the bugs that i had crawling over some university course information forum in a desperate attempt to convince the system administrators the software was (still is) crawling with bugs and easily hacked. i made it so that you could click the bugs (pictures of bugs) and they'd EXPLODE like your avatar, it also kept a high score which user killed the most bugs.
the worst (or most hilarious) thing was that after a day or two, the account with the highest score was the helpdesk/administrator account, apparently they had been playing the game longest of all, before figuring out there is actually no goal, no levels, and you can't die. you can just explode an infinite amount of bugs.
Quote from: triple zero on July 04, 2008, 08:48:19 AM
possibly, definitely!
hey Sir Inkblot, why dont you just get going with the rawness of creativity and ideas like the rest of us? Check out the Operation:Mindfuck subforum and the GASM subcommand for our sekrit missions.
That might require more than simply ripping off Thornley and Hill's old shit.
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
Jazz is 4 musicians playing 4 different songs at the same time.
It's crap.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
Jazz is 4 musicians playing 4 different songs at the same time.
It's crap.
Well isn't Discordianism sort of like 4 people advocating 4 different beliefs at the same time? or 5, as the case may be
Still don't have to like it.
:/
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
ZAPPA??
Quote from: triple zero on July 04, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
ZAPPA??
Sure, close enough
I enjoy the jazz I've heard, although I can't really find the time to keep up with jazz unfortunately.
I do love 7 chords though.
I love some jazz, but it makes me hundrey for some reason
so i play it during supper time, while i eat
its one form though i just cant seem to play
i can play all the chords and scales alright but i have trouble feeling the unresolved dissidence
I get jazz theory, but I could never really improv, and reading jazz is sort of a sin.
I do like playing jazz chords under triads in rock songs though - it gives them an interesting sound.
Well, like any music, you've got to ape it before you make it. I mean Brubeck wasn't laying it down Beat-style right out the womb was he? Was he??
Yeah, the sevens are gnarly. You ever try laying down those ninths, or better yet, a 7 sharp-9th, the Hendrix chord? All this talk of numbers makes want to spank out some P-funk. I fucking love music.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
Jazz is 4 musicians playing 4 different songs at the same time.
It's crap.
Well isn't Discordianism sort of like 4 people advocating 4 different beliefs at the same time? or 5, as the case may be
Yes, but that doesn't hurt my ears, and want me to rip the tops off of the musicians' skulls and shit on their living brains.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
Jazz is 4 musicians playing 4 different songs at the same time.
It's crap.
Well isn't Discordianism sort of like 4 people advocating 4 different beliefs at the same time? or 5, as the case may be
Yes, but that doesn't hurt my ears, and want me to rip the tops off of the musicians' skulls and shit on their living brains.
I remember reading one time, when I couldn't stand jazz either, how people report it makes them 'angry.' Letting refined talent make you angry seems so backwards to me. It certainly takes patience and a very open mind to get used to, but it's very worth it.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 04, 2008, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
Jazz is 4 musicians playing 4 different songs at the same time.
It's crap.
Well isn't Discordianism sort of like 4 people advocating 4 different beliefs at the same time? or 5, as the case may be
Yes, but that doesn't hurt my ears, and want me to rip the tops off of the musicians' skulls and shit on their living brains.
I remember reading one time, when I couldn't stand jazz either, how people report it makes them 'angry.' Letting refined talent make you angry seems so backwards to me. It certainly takes patience and a very open mind to get used to, but it's very worth it.
Jazz isn't "refined talent". It's music for people who are too stoned (or simply too pretentious) to care what they listen to.
That's quite a conviction!
I'm enjoying jazz right now, the only thing I'm high on is the music itself. I don't think I'm musically pretentious. I have a preferred Britney Spears song, how falsely tasteful could I be?
P.S. the song is Toxic
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
That's quite a conviction!
"Indictment". Please do not mangle Her Majesty's English. Thanks.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
I'm enjoying jazz right now, the only thing I'm high on is the music itself.
I forgot to mention the possibility that you just might be stupid. However, given the fact that you INSIST on jabbering about it, it's probably pretentiousness. Or both.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
P.S. the song is Toxic
P.P.S. Nobody cares.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 05, 2008, 12:42:11 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
That's quite a conviction!
"Indictment". Please do not mangle Her Majesty's English. Thanks.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
I'm enjoying jazz right now, the only thing I'm high on is the music itself.
I forgot to mention the possibility that you just might be stupid. However, given the fact that you INSIST on jabbering about it, it's probably pretentiousness. Or both.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
P.S. the song is Toxic
P.P.S. Nobody cares.
Did somebody rape your mother in front of you or something? What's with you?
I'm trying to turn you onto something I really appreciate, and feel everyone deserves to enjoy, and you're twisting it like a barbed cruller and gouging my tender internet feelings with it.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
Did somebody rape your mother in front of you or something? What's with you?
Nothing. I just love people who show up, insult everyone, and profess to be the example of the One True Way to be a Discordian. Dumbass.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
I'm trying to turn you onto something I really appreciate, and feel everyone deserves to enjoy, and you're twisting it like a barbed cruller and gouging my tender internet feelings with it.
I am a horrible bastard. Ask around.
Also, you think you're the first person to hear jazz? Again, you act like everyone around you is a fucking idiot, and then you wonder why the fuck nobody likes you and nobody takes you seriously on ANY subject.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 05, 2008, 12:48:48 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
Did somebody rape your mother in front of you or something? What's with you?
Nothing. I just love people who show up, insult everyone, and profess to be the example of the One True Way to be a Discordian. Dumbass.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
I'm trying to turn you onto something I really appreciate, and feel everyone deserves to enjoy, and you're twisting it like a barbed cruller and gouging my tender internet feelings with it.
I am a horrible bastard. Ask around.
Also, you think you're the first person to hear jazz? Again, you act like everyone around you is a fucking idiot, and then you wonder why the fuck nobody likes you and nobody takes you seriously on ANY subject.
You know what, you're right. I'm trying to reform myself.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:51:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 05, 2008, 12:48:48 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
Did somebody rape your mother in front of you or something? What's with you?
Nothing. I just love people who show up, insult everyone, and profess to be the example of the One True Way to be a Discordian. Dumbass.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
I'm trying to turn you onto something I really appreciate, and feel everyone deserves to enjoy, and you're twisting it like a barbed cruller and gouging my tender internet feelings with it.
I am a horrible bastard. Ask around.
Also, you think you're the first person to hear jazz? Again, you act like everyone around you is a fucking idiot, and then you wonder why the fuck nobody likes you and nobody takes you seriously on ANY subject.
You know what, you're right. I'm trying to reform myself.
Yeah, whatever.
Oh Tigger, getting soft in your old age.
Hello, new guy, I'd suggest you go read a lot of stuff first before engtangling yourself in serious discussions. It's safer that way.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 12:56:32 AM
Oh Tigger, getting soft in your old age.
No, just getting sick of another ZOMG23 retard coming by every month.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 12:56:32 AM
Hello, new guy, I'd suggest you go read a lot of stuff first before engtangling yourself in serious discussions. It's safer that way.
New guy already knows more than all of us. Just ask him.
Aw come on. He did say he was wrong.
...I must be getting soft in my old age.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 01:01:23 AM
Aw come on. He did say he was wrong.
...I must be getting soft in my old age.
Don't worry, bull goose is making damn good and sure to chase me all over the forum and insult my compliments.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 01:02:47 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 01:01:23 AM
Aw come on. He did say he was wrong.
...I must be getting soft in my old age.
Don't worry, bull goose is making damn good and sure to chase me all over the forum and insult my compliments.
congratulations this quoted post is half a million, I hope it was worth it
Bull goose? :lulz:
PS shut up and wait till he's not around and you might get something constructive.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 01:05:50 AM
Bull goose? :lulz:
PS shut up and wait till he's not around and you might get something constructive.
Or not. :lulz:
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 01:02:47 AM
Don't worry, bull goose is making damn good and sure to chase me all over the forum and insult my compliments.
Bull goose? :lulz:
Quote from: Faust on July 05, 2008, 01:04:04 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 01:02:47 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 01:01:23 AM
Aw come on. He did say he was wrong.
...I must be getting soft in my old age.
Don't worry, bull goose is making damn good and sure to chase me all over the forum and insult my compliments.
congratulations this quoted post is half a million, I hope it was worth it
Ain't that a bitch?
I dunno, bull goose seems funny after the hoards who accuse you of a brainwashing act etc
Quote from: Faust on July 05, 2008, 01:10:00 AM
I dunno, bull goose seems funny after the hoards who accuse you of a brainwashing act etc
What Would Jim Jones Do?
Hey, at least he didn't threaten to rape your butt. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 05, 2008, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 01:02:47 AM
Don't worry, bull goose is making damn good and sure to chase me all over the forum and insult my compliments.
Bull goose? :lulz:
I wonder if that is anything like a gander.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on July 05, 2008, 01:43:46 AM
Hey, at least he didn't threaten to rape your butt. :lulz:
... yet. Give him time.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
No, NONE of us on the forum have. EVER. We are simply not refined enough.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 05, 2008, 12:42:11 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
That's quite a conviction!
"Indictment". Please do not mangle Her Majesty's English. Thanks.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
I'm enjoying jazz right now, the only thing I'm high on is the music itself.
I forgot to mention the possibility that you just might be stupid. However, given the fact that you INSIST on jabbering about it, it's probably pretentiousness. Or both.
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
P.S. the song is Toxic
P.P.S. Nobody cares.
Did somebody rape your mother in front of you or something? What's with you?
I'm trying to turn you onto something I really appreciate, and feel everyone deserves to enjoy, and you're twisting it like a barbed cruller and gouging my tender internet feelings with it.
I'd like to turn you on to something I really appreciate, and feel everyone deserves to enjoy; it's called "prolapse". Please just bend over and hold still... it will all be over in a minute.
This thread is like killing the bull goose who laid the golden beef egg.
:argh!:
strife and confusion, itt
Quote from: Nigel on July 05, 2008, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 04, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Have any of you really listened to jazz? Or heard it and thought about it?
It's all rather beyond words.
Anyway, I reckon I'll do that.
No, NONE of us on the forum have. EVER. We are simply not refined enough.
Shouldn't we tug on our forelocks or something?
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on July 04, 2008, 07:02:53 PM
I get jazz theory, but I could never really improv, and reading jazz is sort of a sin.
I do like playing jazz chords under triads in rock songs though - it gives them an interesting sound.
Charles Mingus called. He has a bone to pick with you.
I ... I don't really know what to say about all the jazz talk in this thread. So I think I'll just smile, nod, and back away slowly.
I have a jazz ringtone on my mobile phone.
And that's how I earned the nickname of Avant-Tard.
Quote from: That One Guy on July 07, 2008, 02:16:44 PM
I ... I don't really know what to say about all the jazz talk in this thread. So I think I'll just smile, nod, and back away slowly.
C'mon, Berklee-boi! Jump in, reference Ellington; or Miller.
But I don't want to have another pointless music argument.
I will say but one thing: how the hell do you learn all these jazz songs without reading music? Ever hear of charts? Those are "reading" music, and they're the standard way to pass along the weird, complicated chords. Even the greats can't necessarily tell what that D-7(flat 9, sharp 11) chord is supposed to be without it being written down.
There. NO MAS.
I have no experience with Jazz guitar, but I was a horn player in a Jazz band. We used sheet music for our performances. Solos, of course were often improvised and not written out.
I think without understanding and being able to read the music, one might be prone to wandering into Jam Band territory, instead of playing actual Jazz.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 05, 2008, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: Skid Rat Son of Inkblot on July 05, 2008, 01:02:47 AM
Don't worry, bull goose is making damn good and sure to chase me all over the forum and insult my compliments.
Bull goose? :lulz:
I think you should intentionally misinterpret it as a compliment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSM-73_Goose
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Xsm-73-1.jpg)
Spiffy-looking, but needs teh HIMEOBS.
Edit: actually, it appears to be a "ground-launched long range decoy missile." :lulz:
I CALL BULLGOOSE!!!
RWHN,
someone had to do it.
Quote from: Reverend Whats His Name on July 07, 2008, 08:22:56 PM
I SANK BULLGOOSE!!!
RWHN,
someone had to do it.
More fixt.
Risus,
Has no regrets.
Quote from: That One Guy on July 07, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
But I don't want to have another pointless music argument.
I will say but one thing: how the hell do you learn all these jazz songs without reading music? Ever hear of charts? Those are "reading" music, and they're the standard way to pass along the weird, complicated chords. Even the greats can't necessarily tell what that D-7(flat 9, sharp 11) chord is supposed to be without it being written down.
There. NO MAS.
agreed.
I always fake it.
Since Discordianism seems to be just a fucked up version of Zen, I'll just answer with anything that pops to my mind at the moment. After saying "penis" I'll declare that MY belief system is The True Discordianism™.
Quote from: M.K on August 13, 2008, 05:38:40 PM
Since Discordianism seems to be just a fucked up version of Zen, I'll just answer with anything that pops to my mind at the moment. After saying "penis" I'll declare that MY belief system is The True Discordianism™.
aside from the entire premise of your post being wrong, good job.
It's probably that statement on the Wiki article describing Discordianism as "Zen for roundeyes". I'd like to know who said that... they don't know much about Zen.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 13, 2008, 08:33:19 PM
It's probably that statement on the Wiki article describing Discordianism as "Zen for roundeyes". I'd like to know who said that... they don't know much about Zen.
Or they don't know much about Discordianism.
I come to all of it from a background in Zen practice, so I agree a little and disagree a little. Zen has very very little to do with the BIP.
To be quite honest, the BIP is only a minor point inside Discordia.
The BiP seems like a possible application of Discordian ideas, as does the whole "Zen for Roundeyes', that is, there are Discordians that seem to interpret discordianism in both of those models. However, the heart of Discordianism, if anything, seems to be that people can interpret it as a "How to break your BiP" or "How to Build your GSP" or "Zen for Roundeyes" or Dada Philosophy, or a Mastermind group, or just a bunch of stoned, tripping people that are mentally jerking off to how non conformist they are.
All of those models seem to exist and there appears to be a good basis for each claim... depending on which 'writings' you choose to look at and which cabals you tend to grok. THAT, I think, may be what Discordianism IS about. Mal-2's essay on mastering nonsense and sense to expose them both as frauds, Omar's eloquent poetic statement about how humans come into existence and play with their reality, ordering things and disordering things until they die... they both seem to strike at Discordianism in practice, if not Discordianism in philosophy as well.
The Dadaist and Pinealist and the BiPer all are ordering and disordering the information around them to create their own view of Discordianism and probably their own view of reality.
I think.
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 20, 2008, 09:12:35 PM
The BiP seems like a possible application of Discordian ideas, as does the whole "Zen for Roundeyes', that is, there are Discordians that seem to interpret discordianism in both of those models. However, the heart of Discordianism, if anything, seems to be that people can interpret it as a "How to break your BiP" or "How to Build your GSP" or "Zen for Roundeyes" or Dada Philosophy, or a Mastermind group, or just a bunch of stoned, tripping people that are mentally jerking off to how non conformist they are.
All of those models seem to exist and there appears to be a good basis for each claim... depending on which 'writings' you choose to look at and which cabals you tend to grok. THAT, I think, may be what Discordianism IS about. Mal-2's essay on mastering nonsense and sense to expose them both as frauds, Omar's eloquent poetic statement about how humans come into existence and play with their reality, ordering things and disordering things until they die... they both seem to strike at Discordianism in practice, if not Discordianism in philosophy as well.
The Dadaist and Pinealist and the BiPer all are ordering and disordering the information around them to create their own view of Discordianism and probably their own view of reality.
I think.
(http://www.east-asia-intel.com/eai/2004/Images/kim-clap.jpg)
Quote from: Hoopla on August 20, 2008, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 20, 2008, 09:12:35 PM
The BiP seems like a possible application of Discordian ideas, as does the whole "Zen for Roundeyes', that is, there are Discordians that seem to interpret discordianism in both of those models. However, the heart of Discordianism, if anything, seems to be that people can interpret it as a "How to break your BiP" or "How to Build your GSP" or "Zen for Roundeyes" or Dada Philosophy, or a Mastermind group, or just a bunch of stoned, tripping people that are mentally jerking off to how non conformist they are.
All of those models seem to exist and there appears to be a good basis for each claim... depending on which 'writings' you choose to look at and which cabals you tend to grok. THAT, I think, may be what Discordianism IS about. Mal-2's essay on mastering nonsense and sense to expose them both as frauds, Omar's eloquent poetic statement about how humans come into existence and play with their reality, ordering things and disordering things until they die... they both seem to strike at Discordianism in practice, if not Discordianism in philosophy as well.
The Dadaist and Pinealist and the BiPer all are ordering and disordering the information around them to create their own view of Discordianism and probably their own view of reality.
I think.
(http://www.east-asia-intel.com/eai/2004/Images/kim-clap.jpg)
Is that a picture of Kim 'cheese'? ;-)
shortest definition being a misnomer, the most concise definition I give people that they would have a hope of listening to and maybe trying to understand without immediately calling me a terrorist or cultist(you know the Indiana mindset Iason, though it's probably slightly more progressive in Indy) would be
absurdist(or surrealist) Zen.
if I try to be any more clear than that, people get confused and either stop listening or immediately think I'm creepy, as people generally fear what they don't understand.
I've been trying to work on KYFMS lately. Someone kept asking me questions and eventually I showed them my tattoo, and he said, "ohhh, you're a .. oh I get it, one of those pagan cults", and I had to work to keep his attention long enough to slightly remedy his ignorance. Now I'm tired of people thinking I'm crazy(in a negative connotation), so I avoid religious conversation
except at work the other day when someone had said the chickens I was cutting up died for us to live(cos I'm a veggie), so I said that they died for our sins, and then with each chicken I cut up I named what sin it died for(gluttony, jealousy, sloth, last weekend). Then I mentioned that King Kong also die for our sins and had to explain myself.
People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?
Nope.
They typically don't understand Gnosis, either.
Rinzai Zen is stupidly obvious.
"Oh you mean by naming and categorizing things I am overshadowing their unique properties and beauty? Thanks, but I already knew that. Man, satori sucks if this is all it is."
Quote from: Kai on August 26, 2008, 12:43:59 AM
People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?
Why d'you think they came up with this "Zen for roundeyes" baloney?
Quote from: Kai on August 26, 2008, 12:43:59 AM
People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?
Let it go, Kai. Just let it go.
I'm a non practising nihilist :wink:
Quote from: Kai on August 26, 2008, 12:43:59 AM
People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?
Buddhism is all about being a road warrior mowing down smartass smiling fat people, right?
Fuck yes!
It's hard for me to describe Discordianism because there are different types, in my eyes. There's the pinealists, and then there's this group. I've not actually been around pinealists, but from what I've heard on this board, the two groups are different. This group came up with the BIP, and I don't really see the BIP as being mainstream Discordianism. Which is a shame, because I think that the BIP is more... important, in a way. It challenges you in a way that the PD doesn't.
And I've lost where I was going with all of that... I guess I want a definition not of Discordianism in general, but of the brand of Discordianism "practiced" on this board.
I don't think the brands of discordianism around here differ much from what RAW created, the spags here are just better at tearing down the idols. The most useful thing about the BIP is probably that I know the people that made it, which means I can use it as a guide while having a very strong imprint of the fallability of its creators.
The PD was, "Let me enlighten you with some funnies"
The BIP was, "Let me enlighten you with a sledgehammer"
Okay, that's probably overstating it. Honestly, I have zero familiarity with RAW so I can't speak to the similarities of what goes on here and what that cat wrote. I only read the PD and then found this place. I'm, personally, WAY more interested in what we can come up with here in an original sense. I'm sure RAW is useful for some as a reference.
See, the thing of it is, the "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" theme really isn't a Discordian theme. Or that is, it shouldn't be. It seems like it's one of those no brainers that would be so easy to get and to understand, if you just opened your mind to it of course. I think that is part of the reason why some kind of rail against the pinealist stuff. It just seems sometimes it can be too much smoke and mirrors that can obscure the ideas.
Well, I actually find it kinda funny that we often find ourselves treading the same ground that RAW and friends have walked previously. Sure they made notes about the Flora and Fauna that they saw in their safari through reality, but we can make new observations of that Flora and Fauna through the lens of 30+ years of More Information.
Also, there's a pretty interesting variation between the Discordianism that displayed in the PD and the Discordianism that's displayed in RAW's writings and antics. The Discordianism of Hill/Thornley of 1959 was definately low on philosophy and high on parody and outright silliness. RAW had a philosophical view which tied nicely with Discordianism and that seems to have become the more popular version among 'pinealists'.
QuoteSee, the thing of it is, the "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" theme really isn't a Discordian theme. Or that is, it shouldn't be. It seems like it's one of those no brainers that would be so easy to get and to understand, if you just opened your mind to it of course. I think that is part of the reason why some kind of rail against the pinealist stuff. It just seems sometimes it can be too much smoke and mirrors that can obscure the ideas.
It's all about context. In the context which that phrase is used, it's quite Discordian, I think. In the meme usage, it seems to have lost some of its punch.
In I3! Hagbard Celine (the crazy guy with the giant yellow submarine) brings George Dorn (the symbolic Cabbage that's about to get a wake up call) on board his secret ship. In mythological terms, the Fool (George) has just gone through his first major trial (imprisoned by rednecks in Texas) and got broken out by a mysterious and very deadly female (other symbolism there). Anyway, he meets Hagbard as part of a traditional "Mentor" story and right after this meeting, while looking at the artwork on Hagbard's submarine, he sees a picture of Moses, coming down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the Law. The caption of the artwork claims that God gave Moses only 1 Commandment: "Think For Yourself, ya Schmuck!"
For Dorn, its a sort of "Red Pill/Blue Pill/Hagbards Special Weed" time. The painting is a symbol in the book and it works beautifully. Unfortunately, its also catchy and makes a halfway decent meme if you're a parroting sort of individual.
In context, its a great memebomb, especially if you come from a Christian background... and haven't questioned things too much (which is where I was at the time). Out of context, it's ok... and it makes a good meme in conversation between Discordians i.e. "Guess they didn't TFY,S!, did they?"
But, as a meme to spread and mindfuck people... its just not that useful without the context.
Now, if someone would actually make a piece of artwork, with Moses and God and that single commandment... that might be a good memebomb.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 26, 2008, 02:16:30 AM
I really really really hate it when people ask me what religion I am. Mostly because Discordianism is such an obscure religion that not many people know about. But the main problem I have is that it is almost impossible to describe to someone in just a couple of sentences. It usually takes about 5 minutes of explaining and/or throwing a copy of the PD at their head.
So here is the challenge I presenting to all of you: What is the shortest explanation of Discordianism that you can give? I'm not asking what Discordianism means to you. We've got plenty of other threads about that. I want a short universal definition that I can spit out and get people off of my back.
Ok, ready? Go!
I give alternate definitions depending on whether I'm in a straightforward or philosophical/introspective mood.
Straightforward: "It's the religion of acting in ways that make you want to be alive."
Philosophical: "It's finding life funny even when others aren't laughing."
Quote from: Manta Obscura on November 18, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
Straightforward: "It's the religion of acting in ways that make you want to be alive."
Philosophical: "It's finding life funny even when others aren't laughing."
I like both of these definitions. Especially the philosophical one. If Clipmarks was working, I would clip it. Will save it in a different way.
Quote from: Valerie on November 18, 2008, 11:23:42 PM
Quote from: Manta Obscura on November 18, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
Straightforward: "It's the religion of acting in ways that make you want to be alive."
Philosophical: "It's finding life funny even when others aren't laughing."
I like both of these definitions. Especially the philosophical one. If Clipmarks was working, I would clip it. Will save it in a different way.
Thanks, Valerie.
I cheerfully describe myself as a Discordian when asked (and sometimes when not asked). When asked "What's that?" I tend to fall back to "It's either a religion disguised as a joke or a joke disguised as a religion - no one's really sure." If they give me a quizzical look rather than backing away slowly, I usually follow up with "Religion is a joke - but mine's actually funny."
I usually take a different tack with evangelists though - I like to tell them that Eris is True. I especially love talking to Mormons, since they're often young and willing to listen. Jehovah's Witnesses are typically older and less willing to listen, they just want to talk at you. It has been noted that most people that want to talk to you about their religion rarely want to hear about yours, and when it becomes obvious that they don't want to give me equal consideration I usually ask them to push off. I tell them if they want me to "have an open mind" they have to have one too or I'm not gonna bother - sometimes this results in amusing conversations.
Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 07:43:02 PM
I cheerfully describe myself as a Discordian when asked (and sometimes when not asked). When asked "What's that?" I tend to fall back to "It's either a religion disguised as a joke or a joke disguised as a religion - no one's really sure." If they give me a quizzical look rather than backing away slowly, I usually follow up with "Religion is a joke - but mine's actually funny."
:lulz:
alright, I need some feedback on the following passage:
For those of you who are reading this but have no idea what this ''Discordia'' thing is, maybe I should offer some brief, half-assed explanation. Discordia "is" a religion in some sense, a philosophy in some sense, a joke in some sense, a bunch of jerks in some sense and a recipie for disaster in some sense. What these five senses have in common is Chaos. The name at the center of the hurricane is Eris, the Greek Goddess of strife and confusion. She doesn't take much seriously these days.
Discordia showed up in 1958 or 1959 (depending on which part of the Principia Discordia you're forbidden to believe). Discordians have infiltrated all parts of culture from summer blockbusters to the Planet Eris. They like Chaos, which they see as a balance between Order and Disorder. They think that society is too "serious business" right now, and are pursuing a million and one ways to DO something about it. I don't want to say too much because Discordia is very subjective. The symbols in your head will reflect off the symbols you read and give you a brand new interpretation of it, gift wrapped with your own nervous system. We're tricksters, and the person we want you to go trick is you. We have no rules except the ones that you make for yourself. This is actually true of all society, but the Pope of Discordia (read: you) can grant you permission to live that way.
It's very good. "Recipe" is misspelled, is the only thing I see.
I keep meaning to post my housemate's definition in here:
"It's a religion based in being upsetting".
god damn it Nigel you scared me again
LOL
This is really minor, but
what do you think of this revision?
be honest
was:
They think that society is too "serious business" right now, and are pursuing a million and one ways to DO something about it.
revision:
They (read: you) think that society is too "serious business" right now (right?), and are pursuing a million and one ways to DO something about it.
I like it. The repetition of You and Right seems good. Break out a new paragraph starting with that line.
Hey, I know.
It's liek... FIVE TONS OF JAZZ!
Ha ha, I'm so much moar DizkFNORDian than you. (See, I mentioned a fnord! How's that for being enlightened?)
[insert apology then jazz]
Actually, the times someone has asked me about it, I think I've just said something about the greatest religion-disguised joke in the world (or the other way around) which appreciates confusion and chaos etc. more than all that boring harmony-seeking stuff they've seen too much in their lives. Or something like that. Usually I don't bother explaining more, but some people actually seem interested and interesting enough to be worth the huge effort of linking PD. Mostly they're not, but then that's not really my problem.
A guy once stalked my number and asked me out just because I explained Discordianism and remembered some episodes of Cow & Chicken. Dangerous business, all this explaining. I wonder what was wrong with the poor fellow.
sup herbertina :wave:
i r smrt
tell him I tell you tomorrow.....for ever and ever
or invited to visit this web if he want and no more.
Quote from: Herbertina Merrique V on December 26, 2008, 11:39:56 PM
Hey, I know.
It's liek... FIVE TONS OF JAZZ!
Ha ha, I'm so much moar DizkFNORDian than you. (See, I mentioned a fnord! How's that for being enlightened?)
[insert apology then jazz]
Actually, the times someone has asked me about it, I think I've just said something about the greatest religion-disguised joke in the world (or the other way around) which appreciates confusion and chaos etc. more than all that boring harmony-seeking stuff they've seen too much in their lives. Or something like that. Usually I don't bother explaining more, but some people actually seem interested and interesting enough to be worth the huge effort of linking PD. Mostly they're not, but then that's not really my problem.
A guy once stalked my number and asked me out just because I explained Discordianism and remembered some episodes of Cow & Chicken. Dangerous business, all this explaining. I wonder what was wrong with the poor fellow.
Hi.
Good definitions. Sorry to hear about your stalker.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 21, 2008, 05:00:58 AM
This is really minor, but
what do you think of this revision?
be honest
was:
They think that society is too "serious business" right now, and are pursuing a million and one ways to DO something about it.
revision:
They (read: you) think that society is too "serious business" right now (right?), and are pursuing a million and one ways to DO something about it.
yeah that's the only bit i have a problem with as well.
but i don't think your revision is much better either. or perhaps I'm not entirely really discordian, because right now, society seems to be made up of a shitload of disorder and both order at the same time too! and to be honest,
it's still not right!!now, sorry for jacking this thread a bit off-topic from def:discordia, but this sudden realization kinda bothers me. if we have the combination of order and disorder, but things are (obviously) still all wrong, then apparently that is not the (whole?) solution. what's it then? do we perhaps need better *balance* between order and disorder? (cain? you said something a while ago about the desire for balance being somewhat based on nothing?) or is it required to go with a heavy dose of "thinking for yourselves, schmucks" before it works? but isn't that always the case? do we still need the order/disorder thingy then? wouldn't TFYS work on its own? but is that still discordianism, then?
The best revision I can think of merely restates the Curse of Greyface: That SOCIETY™ is more concerned with having things O®DE®ED than it is about having things WORKING.
Or something. That is to say, if All is Chaos, and Chaos is a mixture of perceived Order and Disorder, than those who focus to much on Order miss half of the game.