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Title: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Sita on September 18, 2014, 01:03:09 PM
Do the officers in the schools really need M16s? I'd think a pistol would be enough.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/26561770/pinellas-schools-police-buys-m16-rifles
Quote"It's necessary for the officers to have the tools to be able to safely deploy and take care of the threats that are occurring in our schools without having to get so close to a terrible threat that they put other students or themselves in harm's way before they can take the necessary action to stop the threat," the chief explained Wednesday afternoon.

He declined to say how the rifles will be stored on a dozen school campuses, but claimed they will be both secure and "quickly accessible."

The department is still developing a training and deployment program, but expects to have the first weapons in service by Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: LMNO on September 18, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
I don't see how anything could go wrong with this plan.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 18, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
I dunno... I'm pretty anti-gun, but did you see the hardware those two assholes brought to Columbine? Or have you seen what some people wear to their local Walmart?

If the general population are carrying AK47s, what good is a pistol going to do?
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: LMNO on September 18, 2014, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 18, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
I dunno... I'm pretty anti-gun, but did you see the hardware those two assholes brought to Columbine? Or have you seen what some people wear to their local Walmart?

If the general population are carrying AK47s, what good is a pistol going to do?

Well for starters, you can shoot yourself in the foot during class. (http://news.kron4.com/news/idaho-college-teacher-shoots-himself-in-the-foot-during-class/)
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2014, 01:14:19 PM
I believe another school district recieved an APC the other day.

Also, this has nothing to do with protecting schools.  This has everything to do with the US military having so much surplus material, due to a corrupt and inefficient purchasing system (aka "the military-industrial complex") that to recoup losses it must push them down the chain of bodies with the authority to use deadly force.  The NYPD already has more military hardware than some African states, so obviously the next place to hawk expensive weapons of death is to school districts.

It's not like that money could be put to any other good use, like, say education, anyway.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 18, 2014, 01:17:26 PM
Ok sure, that makes sense. But realistically, if you are working security in a US school, where shootings seem to occur with alarming regularity, which would you rather be packing?
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: LMNO on September 18, 2014, 01:26:45 PM
Honestly?  If I was working security in a US school, I would really, really want a flamethrower a pistol.  They're easily portable, concealable, have a load more saftey lock options (even biometrics, which is ultra cool), and considering the extremely improbable chance of a Columbine-level event happening, all that's really needed.  If that, even.








Aw, who am I kidding?  Gimme the flamethrower!
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 18, 2014, 01:29:23 PM
Absolutely flame thrower.

And start with that goddam rope in the gym.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
Does it really make a difference?  The major difference between a semi-automatic rifle and a semi-automatic pistol are effective range, magazine size, velocity and the ability to burst-fire.  None of which are really critical factors in that kind of situation.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: LMNO on September 18, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Pragmatically, when it comes to use, I agree.

For me, the pistol has a greater advantage when not in use, aside from being visually intimidating.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 18, 2014, 01:40:18 PM
So... are flamethrowers off the table now?
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
Yes, because they're clearly a classroom disciplinary tool, not a weapon.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Faust on September 18, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 18, 2014, 01:17:26 PM
Ok sure, that makes sense. But realistically, if you are working security in a US school, where shootings seem to occur with alarming regularity, which would you rather be packing?

Well look, in for a penny in for a pound. All US teachers should be wearing nerve gas vests and deadman switches rigged to their heartbeats.

It's the only way to protect the children.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 18, 2014, 04:57:38 PM
Now we're cooking!
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: MMIX on September 18, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: Faust on September 18, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 18, 2014, 01:17:26 PM
Ok sure, that makes sense. But realistically, if you are working security in a US school, where shootings seem to occur with alarming regularity, which would you rather be packing?

Well look, in for a penny in for a pound. All US teachers should be wearing nerve gas vests and deadman switches rigged to their heartbeats.

It's the only way to protect the children.

Wow, they turned you to the dark side Faust . . .
do they really have cookies?
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: Sita on September 18, 2014, 01:03:09 PM
Do the officers in the schools really need M16s? I'd think a pistol would be enough.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/26561770/pinellas-schools-police-buys-m16-rifles
Quote"It's necessary for the officers to have the tools to be able to safely deploy and take care of the threats that are occurring in our schools without having to get so close to a terrible threat that they put other students or themselves in harm's way before they can take the necessary action to stop the threat," the chief explained Wednesday afternoon.

He declined to say how the rifles will be stored on a dozen school campuses, but claimed they will be both secure and "quickly accessible."

The department is still developing a training and deployment program, but expects to have the first weapons in service by Thanksgiving.

And if your kid gets a failing grade, they make dad come in and shoot free throws, to prove he's a man.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2014, 05:14:59 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 18, 2014, 01:29:23 PM
Absolutely flame thrower.

And start with that goddam rope in the gym.

The rope stays.  See my above post.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Sita on September 18, 2014, 06:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: Sita on September 18, 2014, 01:03:09 PM
Do the officers in the schools really need M16s? I'd think a pistol would be enough.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/26561770/pinellas-schools-police-buys-m16-rifles
Quote"It's necessary for the officers to have the tools to be able to safely deploy and take care of the threats that are occurring in our schools without having to get so close to a terrible threat that they put other students or themselves in harm's way before they can take the necessary action to stop the threat," the chief explained Wednesday afternoon.

He declined to say how the rifles will be stored on a dozen school campuses, but claimed they will be both secure and "quickly accessible."

The department is still developing a training and deployment program, but expects to have the first weapons in service by Thanksgiving.

And if your kid gets a failing grade, they make dad come in and shoot free throws, to prove he's a man.
God my husband would be in the gym for the entirety of my son's scholastic life then :eek:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: Sita on September 18, 2014, 06:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: Sita on September 18, 2014, 01:03:09 PM
Do the officers in the schools really need M16s? I'd think a pistol would be enough.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/26561770/pinellas-schools-police-buys-m16-rifles
Quote"It's necessary for the officers to have the tools to be able to safely deploy and take care of the threats that are occurring in our schools without having to get so close to a terrible threat that they put other students or themselves in harm's way before they can take the necessary action to stop the threat," the chief explained Wednesday afternoon.

He declined to say how the rifles will be stored on a dozen school campuses, but claimed they will be both secure and "quickly accessible."

The department is still developing a training and deployment program, but expects to have the first weapons in service by Thanksgiving.

And if your kid gets a failing grade, they make dad come in and shoot free throws, to prove he's a man.
God my husband would be in the gym for the entirety of my son's scholastic life then :eek:

No, you only get three throws, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Suu on September 18, 2014, 07:38:04 PM
PINELLAS COUNTY SCHOOLS FTW!

:banana:

-Suu
Class of 2000.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Suu on September 18, 2014, 07:56:22 PM
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

As someone who grew up in this school district, in the city that Florida lovingly refers to as "Detroit South," where the schools' police officers are ALREADY St. Petersburg/Pinellas Park/Clearwater/Largo/Dunedin/Tarpon Police or Pinellas County Sheriffs, it's not coming across as anything out of the ordinary other than that it has the school district's name on them, instead of the county or city's. I feel this is partially sensationalist journalism. Does a school district need M-16s? Well, it's hard to say. We had riots in 1996, I had to be wanded when I got off the bus to go to school. My high school was known for 2 things: its football team and its rapes. No, I'm not fucking joking, my parents were terrified I went there instead of trying to get into a magnet program. Fortunately, the jaw breaking incident I had in middle school kept boys more than 20ft away from me at all times.

I do not agree with the militarization of police forces, especially school police (MRAPs and grenade launchers? Really California?) but someone did raise a point: a pistol will do nothing in the event of a wackjob coming in with an AK-47. 

Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Ben Shapiro on September 18, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
I APPROVE OF THIS! On account it pisses off the RWHN's of the nation, and their precious snowbirds. Plus it keeps the King of England out of the school's face.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Suu on September 18, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
Quote from: Triggered word /b/ear on September 18, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
I APPROVE OF THIS! On account it pisses off the RWHN's of the nation, and their precious snowbirds. Plus it keeps the King of England out of the school's face.

Damn that king! We already got rid of the buggerer once, we don't need that slovenly git back!  :argh!:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on September 18, 2014, 10:04:54 PM
Calling it now. Some kid is going to pick the lock to the "secure" location and nab an M16.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Reginald Ret on September 18, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: The Suu on September 18, 2014, 07:56:22 PM
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

As someone who grew up in this school district, in the city that Florida lovingly refers to as "Detroit South," where the schools' police officers are ALREADY St. Petersburg/Pinellas Park/Clearwater/Largo/Dunedin/Tarpon Police or Pinellas County Sheriffs, it's not coming across as anything out of the ordinary other than that it has the school district's name on them, instead of the county or city's. I feel this is partially sensationalist journalism. Does a school district need M-16s? Well, it's hard to say. We had riots in 1996, I had to be wanded when I got off the bus to go to school. My high school was known for 2 things: its football team and its rapes. No, I'm not fucking joking, my parents were terrified I went there instead of trying to get into a magnet program. Fortunately, the jaw breaking incident I had in middle school kept boys more than 20ft away from me at all times.

I do not agree with the militarization of police forces, especially school police (MRAPs and grenade launchers? Really California?) but someone did raise a point: a pistol will do nothing in the event of a wackjob coming in with an AK-47.
At a range the length of a classroom, how is an M-16 better against an AK-47 than a pistol? The pistol is easier to conceal and has less weight so it is faster to aim.

On a less sane and more guncrazy note: I think an FN P90 would be better than either. It has the best of both worlds, almost as light as a pistol, more bullets than either and a great firerate plus the 5.7 ammo shoots through bulletproof vests without carrying on after the first body as far as 9mm bullets do.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 08:29:27 AM
On a long enough time line any arms race is going arrive at tactical nukes. Cut to the chase America  :argh!:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Cain on September 19, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
So schools need M16s...because of riots?  Yeah, I'm sure that will turn out well.

Also, how does a school cop having an M16 help more against rape than a school cop with a pistol?  Does the M16 have a special "bullets which only kill rapists" firing option?
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: axod on September 19, 2014, 09:20:02 AM
That's why they got the 16's, not the MI5's.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Junkenstein on September 19, 2014, 10:00:23 AM
Look, let's just cut all the bullshit and stress and issue everyone with a grenade at around age 5 or so.

Why? Well, in confined school shooting environment I'd trust a grenade to shut shit down faster than any gun. Who's going to try and shoot a classroom full of kids when they know after the first shot they're getting 20 grenades coming their way? No-one, that's who.

It's not just school violence that stops overnight, it's everyone being a dick. Goes away, just like that. Driving like a fool in heavy traffic? Well there's a grenade through the window, you won't be doing that shit again.

It'd make everyone a damn sight more considerate of everyone else. And they to you, because you've got a grenade too.


So here I announce my presidential campaign.

One Person - One Vote - One Grenade.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 10:39:55 AM
Thread over - Junkie just designed the funniest hidden camera reality show the world has ever seen :lulz:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Suu on September 19, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 19, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
So schools need M16s...because of riots?  Yeah, I'm sure that will turn out well.

Also, how does a school cop having an M16 help more against rape than a school cop with a pistol?  Does the M16 have a special "bullets which only kill rapists" firing option?

No, they don't need them at all. I said I was playing Devil's Advocate.

Even my gun nutty brother, another product of this school district, is saying it's absolutely bullshit.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: LMNO on September 19, 2014, 12:48:25 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 19, 2014, 10:00:23 AM
Look, let's just cut all the bullshit and stress and issue everyone with a grenade at around age 5 or so.

Why? Well, in confined school shooting environment I'd trust a grenade to shut shit down faster than any gun. Who's going to try and shoot a classroom full of kids when they know after the first shot they're getting 20 grenades coming their way? No-one, that's who.

It's not just school violence that stops overnight, it's everyone being a dick. Goes away, just like that. Driving like a fool in heavy traffic? Well there's a grenade through the window, you won't be doing that shit again.

It'd make everyone a damn sight more considerate of everyone else. And they to you, because you've got a grenade too.


So here I announce my presidential campaign.

One Person - One Vote - One Grenade.

I'm LMNO, and I approve this message.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 02:07:56 PM
Everyone's being very clever and snarky and all.  And at the end of the day, there will be Arms Lockers containing assault rifles in schools.  Which is sort of a model for American (and British, to some degree) behavior, these days.

Wingnut proposes something stupid.  All the other wingnuts agree.  Two or three rational people say, "Hey, nowl...", but the nutbags do it anyway.

Then the next big thing comes up and everyone forgets about the stupid thing, which becomes accepted wisdom, which neither side will challenge.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 19, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
I guess I'm one of the wing nuts in this scenario. I suppose I earned it honestly.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
I guess I'm one of the wing nuts in this scenario. I suppose I earned it honestly.

This country is sick.  One of they symptoms of that illness is wanting to turn schools into National Guard Armories, to combat a problem that doesn't really exist, by making it exist.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 19, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
I guess I'm one of the wing nuts in this scenario. I suppose I earned it honestly.

This country is sick.  One of they symptoms of that illness is wanting to turn schools into National Guard Armories, to combat a problem that doesn't really exist, by meking it exist.

Excellent point. I have a history of going off half-cocked.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
I guess I'm one of the wing nuts in this scenario. I suppose I earned it honestly.

This country is sick.  One of they symptoms of that illness is wanting to turn schools into National Guard Armories, to combat a problem that doesn't really exist, by meking it exist.

Excellent point. I have a history of going off half-cocked.

So do most people.

Most people also have an "it's a done deal, we have to move on" attitude.

So once you get something, rationally reconsidering it is an impossibility.

Evidence:  By 2004, James Carville's main complaint with NCLB is that it wasn't being funded properly.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 03:40:44 PM
If you can come up with something that's even a half way step to solving this problem, I'm all ears. In the meantime I'll be right here on the floor, laughing hysterically because, when I get depressed about it, it's a kinda buzz kill.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 03:40:44 PM
If you can come up with something that's even a half way step to solving this problem, I'm all ears. In the meantime I'll be right here on the floor, laughing hysterically because, when I get depressed about it, it's a kinda buzz kill.  :horrormirth:

I have no urge whatsoever to solve it.  The USA is moving towards a crisis.  I approve of this.  Let someone else save the world, I have joined the P3nt Popcorn Club.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 04:02:14 PM
No one is going to save the world. The world is so far beyond fucked we're actually in the aftermath of game over and 99% of the population is 100% convinced that the solution is to fuck it harder.

Human civilisation is a burning scarecrow, trying to put the flames out by dousing himself in gasoline.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 04:02:14 PM
No one is going to save the world. The world is so far beyond fucked we're actually in the aftermath of game over and 99% of the population is 100% convinced that the solution is to fuck it harder.

Human civilisation is a burning scarecrow, trying to put the flames out by dousing himself in gasoline.

America is driven to jam a cattleprod up the rhino's butt and trigger it, just to get the rhino's attention.  You see it on a national level, and at every level, all the way down to this board.

And it works.  You get the rhino's attention.  The fact that you might not LIKE the attention is immaterial.  The only strange part is the American inability to connect the action with the result.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
You know what really drives me insane. It's the reason I sometimes entertain notions that maybe there really is a hell and I'm in it. This shit is glaringly obvious to me. Now I'm no einstein but when something is that obvious, it doesn't take a retard to figure it out. So how come billions of people (many of whom are presumably capable of reading and writing and feeding themselves and shit, are utterly blind to such an obvious fact. And then it occurs to me they're not really people. They're some kind of automatons and the world would be better if they were all dead.

So I'm not actually certifiably insane (anymore) and I know to start murdering people in cold blood because they seem like automata is some really screwy and twisted thinking so acting on it is totally out the question. Not just morally but rationally. I'm fine with this but this niggling feeling persists. So every now and again I turn on the teevee and I watch them killing themselves and each other en masse, for the most hilariously dumb reasons that you couldn't even make up and it makes me feel a bit better.

This is my guilty secret.  :oops:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
You know what really drives me insane. It's the reason I sometimes entertain notions that maybe there really is a hell and I'm in it. This shit is glaringly obvious to me. Now I'm no einstein but when something is that obvious, it doesn't take a retard to figure it out. So how come billions of people (many of whom are presumably capable of reading and writing and feeding themselves and shit, are utterly blind to such an obvious fact. And then it occurs to me they're not really people. They're some kind of automatons and the world would be better if they were all dead.

So I'm not actually certifiably insane (anymore) and I know to start murdering people in cold blood because they seem like automata is some really screwy and twisted thinking so acting on it is totally out the question. Not just morally but rationally. I'm fine with this but this niggling feeling persists. So every now and again I turn on the teevee and I watch them killing themselves and each other en masse, for the most hilariously dumb reasons that you couldn't even make up and it makes me feel a bit better.

This is my guilty secret.  :oops:

If this were hell, nothing would work right.  Not even the systems used to punish people...I don't mean governmentally, though they are included.  I mean the day-to-day grind. 
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 19, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
Individual humans are ok, and capable of rational thought. Groups of humans are dumb, dumb, DUMB. The problem is, due to tv and the internet, we're always a group now.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Ben Shapiro on September 19, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: The Suu on September 18, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
Quote from: Triggered word /b/ear on September 18, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
I APPROVE OF THIS! On account it pisses off the RWHN's of the nation, and their precious snowbirds. Plus it keeps the King of England out of the school's face.

Damn that king! We already got rid of the buggerer once, we don't need that slovenly git back!  :argh!:

WE HAVE THE SCOTS ON OUR SIDE!
It's about time we funded the SCOTS to shit all over Britain.  Small price to pay for giving us One Direction.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 10:59:55 PM
Scots are way too busy shitting over Scotland to even consider taking you up on your generous offer
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 19, 2014, 11:52:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on September 19, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
You know what really drives me insane. It's the reason I sometimes entertain notions that maybe there really is a hell and I'm in it. This shit is glaringly obvious to me. Now I'm no einstein but when something is that obvious, it doesn't take a retard to figure it out. So how come billions of people (many of whom are presumably capable of reading and writing and feeding themselves and shit, are utterly blind to such an obvious fact. And then it occurs to me they're not really people. They're some kind of automatons and the world would be better if they were all dead.

So I'm not actually certifiably insane (anymore) and I know to start murdering people in cold blood because they seem like automata is some really screwy and twisted thinking so acting on it is totally out the question. Not just morally but rationally. I'm fine with this but this niggling feeling persists. So every now and again I turn on the teevee and I watch them killing themselves and each other en masse, for the most hilariously dumb reasons that you couldn't even make up and it makes me feel a bit better.

This is my guilty secret.  :oops:

If this were hell, nothing would work right.  Not even the systems used to punish people...I don't mean governmentally, though they are included.  I mean the day-to-day grind. 

Would you guys keep it down? The game is on.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: axod on September 20, 2014, 04:46:24 AM
It's like the trickle-down political economy of M.A.D.  Eventually we will all be graced with our own personal tactical nukes. (custom water-print skins comming soon!)
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Reginald Ret on September 20, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
Individual humans are ok, and capable of rational thought. Groups of humans are dumb, dumb, DUMB. The problem is, due to tv and the internet, we're always a group now.
I had not realised that. It explains quite a lot.
Though for some reason some groups do work, it is the strangest thing.
I just can't think of an example at the moment.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: axod on September 21, 2014, 06:49:25 AM
Quote from: Ragret on September 20, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
Individual humans are ok, and capable of rational thought. Groups of humans are dumb, dumb, DUMB. The problem is, due to tv and the internet, we're always a group now.
I had not realised that. It explains quite a lot.
Though for some reason some groups do work, it is the strangest thing.
I just can't think of an example at the moment.
We'll destroy that coo-petition :lulz:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Telarus on September 22, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
Quote from: Ragret on September 20, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
Individual humans are ok, and capable of rational thought. Groups of humans are dumb, dumb, DUMB. The problem is, due to tv and the internet, we're always a group now.
I had not realised that. It explains quite a lot.
Though for some reason some groups do work, it is the strangest thing.
I just can't think of an example at the moment.

Interesting idea there, Hoops.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 22, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
Individual humans are ok, and capable of rational thought. Groups of humans are dumb, dumb, DUMB. The problem is, due to tv and the internet, we're always a group now.

And for the generation that came up with that already in place, it seems to be beneficial.

Not so much for the people who didn't start out with it.  My generation never understood "taste tribes", but they sure as fuck formed them.  Blindly.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 22, 2014, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Telarus on September 22, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
Quote from: Ragret on September 20, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 19, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
Individual humans are ok, and capable of rational thought. Groups of humans are dumb, dumb, DUMB. The problem is, due to tv and the internet, we're always a group now.
I had not realised that. It explains quite a lot.
Though for some reason some groups do work, it is the strangest thing.
I just can't think of an example at the moment.

Interesting idea there, Hoops.

Stopped clock, etc etc...
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

I dunno.  I am a city mouse.  I operate better amongst millions of people.  I know my standard of living is higher this way.

And yeah, problems also magnify, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 23, 2014, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

I dunno.  I am a city mouse.  I operate better amongst millions of people.  I know my standard of living is higher this way.

And yeah, problems also magnify, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.

Crowds would be fine, if it weren't for all the people
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

I dunno.  I am a city mouse.  I operate better amongst millions of people.  I know my standard of living is higher this way.

And yeah, problems also magnify, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.

Crowds would be fine, if it weren't for all the people.

Think of it instead as a target-rich environment.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 23, 2014, 01:23:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

I dunno.  I am a city mouse.  I operate better amongst millions of people.  I know my standard of living is higher this way.

And yeah, problems also magnify, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.

Crowds would be fine, if it weren't for all the people.

Think of it instead as a target-rich environment.

That's a whole other can of wasps.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:29:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:23:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

I dunno.  I am a city mouse.  I operate better amongst millions of people.  I know my standard of living is higher this way.

And yeah, problems also magnify, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.

Crowds would be fine, if it weren't for all the people.

Think of it instead as a target-rich environment.

That's a whole other can of wasps tarantula hawks.

FTFY.
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: hooplala on September 23, 2014, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:29:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:23:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

I dunno.  I am a city mouse.  I operate better amongst millions of people.  I know my standard of living is higher this way.

And yeah, problems also magnify, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.

Crowds would be fine, if it weren't for all the people.

Think of it instead as a target-rich environment.

That's a whole other can of wasps tarantula hawks.

FTFY.

*googles*

OH GOOD GOD
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:34:47 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:34:05 AM


*googles*

OH GOOD GOD

Tucson loves ya, Baby.   :lol:
Title: Re: Schools now have M16s
Post by: LMNO on September 23, 2014, 02:58:40 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
Individual humans are like individual termites; ineffectual and short-lived.

I meant individual more like "one on one", than rugged individualist.

The point stands, though.  Humans are not designed to operate as single units, even socially.  Problem with THAT, though, is the 8 person rule.

Well, thats the thing... single humans may not be so hot, but big groups of them are worse.

This may be my final failing of Ingress... I don't really want to hang out and go on raids with groups.