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Today in #fnord F-U-C-K-U-P rolled 23...

14:10 <[Burnsey]> !iching
14:10 <F-U-C-K-U-P> [Burnsey]: Hexagram 23: Stripping--1. Facebook IPO: Hype, <b>chaos</b> and 23 cents Tech trouble hurt opening ( http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/may/21/facebook-ipo-hype-chaos-and-23-cents-tech-hurt/ )
14:10 <[Burnsey]> ZOMG

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/may/21/facebook-ipo-hype-chaos-and-23-cents-tech-hurt/

Technical glitches and chaotic trading marred the stock debut of Facebook on Friday, disappointing investors and company officials who planned for a festive first day on the market, people familiar with the situation said.

But for the first two hours of regular trading, nothing happened to the share price. "Unchanged," read the screens on Nasdaq's exchange and on cable channels that had prepared special segments. When trading finally began at 11:30, applause broke out at Facebook's headquarters in Menlo Park, Calif.

The stock shot up.

Then chaos ensued.

Traders couldn't get basic information such as the stock price or even whether their requests for shares were going through Nasdaq's systems, industry officials with knowledge of the matter said. The stock gyrated wildly. Some investors ran for the exits, selling off or canceling what they had ordered, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the events.

By the close of regular trading, the stock had barely scraped out a gain of 23 cents.

Well I don't know about you folks, but I'm grabbing my pineapple and going to the basement for the next year. 

[Love #1: I love me for the benefit of me.]

I've been checking out this idea of love by the French Monk Bernard de Clairvaux.  He breaks down the love of God into four components in is work, The Four Loves.  IMO, however, it seems like we can attribute these four loves in terms of any relationship where love applies.  And, I'd even suggest that serving others in our relationships isn't different than serving "God" in the Christian sense of the word.

Love #1: I love me for the benefit of me.

Basically the  toddler. It's the most primal--yet, in a sense, its' also the foundation for the rest of the loves because it's through this self love that we can understand loving others. The old adage: you can't love others if you don't love yourself applies but it's very superficial and primal.

Love #2: Loving god for self's sake or loving others for one's benefit.

i think this is the most common form of relationships. The whole "I want youuuuuuuuuu to want meeeee" shtick. It's selfish but it's a good start too. I mean we objectify others to whom we're naturally attracted. But then there's that quality of neediness present and it gets in the way. Then we talk about things like, "you're not being who i need you to be" and so on.

Love #3: Loving God for the benefit of god or Loving others for their own sake.

Total horseshit. it's the 'martyr syndrome.' But, i think, also a stage. I think in modern times it's more or less the "nice guy" syndrome. Although hidden in the "nice guy" syndrome is, again, that primal sense of selfishness. It seems it's a lot like Love #1 but posturing in terms of others and it's inevitably going to end with the lover feeling disenchanted or, as shown during those times of persecution, eventual death. I think these days it comes about as more a form of unconscious manipulation. i.e. "I do SOOOOOO much for you, why don't I ever get anything in return!!!"

Anyway -- lets move on to the last love...


Love #4: It's the highest in Bernard's system. It's loving God for the benefit of self or loving others for the benefit of self.

It's taking your role in life and cultivating yourself to the utmost potential and through that process serving others (or god...no difference). It's through cultivating your innermost qualities, your talents. It's leadership in the most profound sense of the word and through this goal we can help others by modeling the way. It's both self focused as well as focus on others because it's through our work on our self that we can be MOST effective in serving others. If we're laying a trip on others like in love #3 or #2 we're just posturing. I'd even suggest that it's touching on the same idea that Krshna talks about in the Gita in regards to Karma yoga or yoga of action: The idea of taking what you have, right now, and working with that as a method of understanding the universe.



Not to get all preachy, here...but this model has taken a rather dramatic change in my relationship with my kids and I thought that I'd share it with you. 

After all these years, I just discovered the source of your handle, Troatwabbler Mangrove



This shit is KILLING me right now, I can't believe I've never seen this. 
Monty Python - Cosmetic Surgery
Monty Python's Flying Circus - Raymond Luxury Yacht

http://artofmanliness.com/2012/03/11/the-cabinet-of-invisible-counselors/

Have you ever had a discussion with someone who posed this question: "If you could invite any five people, living or dead, to dinner, who would they be?"

It's an interesting question to consider, but one that doesn't have to remain strictly a hypothetical.  Now, of course you can't drag the bones of history's greatest corpses to your table ("Oh dear, Teddy's hand just fell off into his soup. Awkward."). But you can enjoy a form of ongoing conversation with history's most eminent men, and it can continue far past the dessert course.

I believe that every man should create his own personal "Cabinet of Invisible Counselors"–a sort of imaginary team of mentors whom he can consult for advice and inspiration throughout his life.

Loved this article...and since PD can be considered as a mastermind group, I was curious as to what might some of your Invisible Counselors be and what you think of this technique.

One Pasatti2004 as a Discordian Saint.  Shanti Shanti Shanti, spectacles testacles wallet and watch, a salam a l'chaim, when you saw only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you, so on and so forth....

http://www.youtube.com/user/pasatti2004

I love this. I love her.

Sometimes I get to thinking about how often the media seems to be obsessed with the past lately.   I was specifically wondering what the deal is with all these movie remakes, lately.

Then my old man sends me this:

For most of the last century, America's cultural landscape—its fashion, art, music, design, entertainment—changed dramatically every 20 years or so. But these days, even as technological and scientific leaps have continued to revolutionize life, popular style has been stuck on repeat, consuming the past instead of creating the new.

Why? Well....

Why is this happening? In some large measure, I think, it's an unconscious collective reaction to all the profound nonstop newness we're experiencing on the tech and geopolitical and economic fronts. People have a limited capacity to embrace flux and strangeness and dissatisfaction, and right now we're maxed out.

Is that it, do you think?  Do you think that our toys are just getting more awesome with all of these technological, social,  even sexual interconnections that it's taking precedent over the old?  Are old movies being remade simply because it's actually possible now to make them BIGGER and Better than they were? Are things like Autotune and George Lucas' recent faux pas indicators of this cultural perspective?

It concludes:

We seem to have trapped ourselves in a vicious cycle—economic progress and innovation stagnated, except in information technology; which leads us to embrace the past and turn the present into a pleasantly eclectic for-profit museum; which deprives the cultures of innovation of the fuel they need to conjure genuinely new ideas and forms; which deters radical change, reinforcing the economic (and political) stagnation. I've been a big believer in historical pendulum swings—American sociopolitical cycles that tend to last, according to historians, about 30 years. So maybe we are coming to the end of this cultural era of the Same Old Same Old. As the baby-boomers who brought about this ice age finally shuffle off, maybe America and the rich world are on the verge of a cascade of the wildly new and insanely great. Or maybe, I worry some days, this is the way that Western civilization declines, not with a bang but with a long, nostalgic whimper.

I dunno, folks, what do you think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/rachel-maddow-rick-perry-_n_924262.html

The new prophets and apostles believe Christians--certain Christians--are destined to not just take "dominion" over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the "Seven Mountains" of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world. They believe they're intended to lord over it all. As a first step, they're leading an "army of God" to commandeer civilian government.

   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation


WHEW, I feel better now.

My son and I printed out some minifig decals on some clear, some whitefullsheet labels for CUSTOMIZED MINIFIGS!!!  .


Here's our progress:




              ^my favorite
http://www.minifigcustomizationnetwork.com/minifigcustoms
http://www.fineclonier.com/Decal_Design.pdf

IOW - Links of various search terms. (as powered by google).



I'll begin with prolapse

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?board=9.612
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?board=9.729
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11208.4995
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11533.90
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=12246.930
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15695.390
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15695.400
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15971.20
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=16905.95
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=17170.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18004.30
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18874.75
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19411.15
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19411.30
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19623.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19825.45
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20060.45
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20060.55
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20828.15
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20937.20
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21936.150
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21936.180
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22013.15
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22013.30
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22059.75
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22059.85
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22947.20
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23380.140
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23606.165
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23721.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24773.15
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=25329.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26742.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.15

I've already shared this story and method with some of you individually but the results have been so effective that I feel it warrants a post of its own.
Recently, I found myself in a state of perpetual anxiety.  I couldn't quite explain why or how this happened but I it was there and at one point I felt absolutely 'sure' I was going insane.

Then I came across this audio book by a psychologist, Dr. Claire Weeks.  ( Amazon link )

The premise to her solution for this anxiety is actually really simple and I'm going to spell it out here because I figure if it helped me out, it's worth repeating.

First, people find themselves, for various reasons--even those unknown, in a state of super sensitivity.  Weeks would say that sometimes post-surgery, even if totally successful might be enough to cause this.  In this state of super sensitivity, a person's feelings and sensations become exaggerated.  The body's sympathetic nervous system--the fight/flight response--will go into overload causing an exceptional amount of panic.  The super sensitive person, however, thinks he's freaking the fuck out.  

What happens during these events, Weeks elaborates, is that actually TWO forms of panic occur rather than one.  The first panic is caused by that rush of adrenaline that happens when the fight/flight kicks in.  The body is working as it should.

The super sensitive person will experience this exaggerated adrenaline rush and add a second layer of panic on top of the original enhanced panic.  Only it happens so quickly that it's barely even noticeable.

The good news is that the body will heal itself from this super-sensitive state if just simply given enough time to do so.  The problem comes in when people keep adding that second panic thus perpetuating this state of super sensitivity.  Thoughts go batshit insane.  People think they're dying or having a heart attack or stroke. People become afraid they might hurt someone or themselves.  The mind, being so exhausted, loses a certain ability for rationality.

Her solution, in a word, is "Acceptance".  While at first it seems a little phoned in but in practice, I can't even explain how useful it was.  One just accepts that first over exaggerated panic while consciously not adding that second panic.  The idea is to fully feel that first panic and allow it to pass through the body...to run its course.

Weeks later refers to it as a practice.  That one can't expect it to never happen again, but to look at each panic attack as an opportunity to accept oneself as one is.

The wife would tell me that I was "doing it to myself" and I understood that intellectually but I didn't quite feel it. How do i STOP doing this to myself.  Well it worked...I began to become more aware of the state of super sensitivity and how it manifested inside me.  A couple of attacks later it was over--vanished.

So I figure this is useful info to file away.  I don't normally try to sound like a self-help expert but this just happened to work.  

Peace, folks  

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/21831/how-to-test-drive-google-android-on-your-pc-without-buying-a-phone/




(Actually I don't know if it's fapworthy or not but i figure some of you might be interested)

Hey Folks,

Well I just got back from hangin out with Dok and Daruko tonight.  We had a pretty good time both are very cool folks.

Although the events of the evening are rather inconsequential what I want to talk about is what I got out of it.  It's Wednesday right, I'm going out on a Wednesday and I think to myself, "AH FUCK, I'm gonna go out and have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning for the next two days and-and-and...."  Obviously, it's a negative program or whatever but I have a feeling most of us probably run the goddamn thing more often than we would like.  

My dad and I were talking the other day and I revealed that I've been in a rut. He tells me I should find something to do that I really enjoy doing.. He asks, "Whaddya like?"  

I don't know.

I like reading sometimes. Computers.  I enjoy putting googly eyes on clever and interesting places and going on Postergasms.  Playing music.  But none of these ideas really seemed to really 'solve' my rut.  

Tonight I realize, maybe it's not really the thing in itself that I need to do but rather make the thing in itself something I enjoy doing.

It's been said before, I realize. It's something all of you know already.  

The problem is, it's really not.

PD does projects.  I've heard some of you from time to time talk about how it's tough to organize something.  Even I've occasionally felt that I should be contributing more.  I mean I think most of us agree we have a pretty sweet thing going here.  I know that I've never been surrounded by a more creative group of people.  

You're all incredible Artists.

You see, THAT IS IT.  THAT is The Great Work. But it's nothing that you should do.  THAT is something that will happen when it NEEDS to happen.  It seems to me that it's worked this way all along.  When it occurs to you to be creative--to make what you are doing into your Art, thats when it happens.

This is the point when the other artists will notice and say, "Shit! I also have something to offer!" And it just gets bigger.  Each of us with our own little doodle or mural making it the way we want it.

And finally, when it's all over, what will be left is this incredible piece of ... of.... I don't even know what to call it. But I have a feeling its going to be incredible.

Or Kill Me.

About pussy.

In a Playboy interview (and elsewhere) Marshal McLuhan mentions an idea that space satellites, directed toward our planet, turn our attention toward ecology and creates an art form of nature.

Through radio, TV and the computer, we are already entering a global theater in which the entire world is a Happening. Our whole cultural habitat, which we once viewed as a mere container of people, is being transformed by these media and by space satellites into a living organism, itself contained within a new macrocosm or connubium of a supraterrestrial nature.

I wonder if the inclination of people directing cameras on life, i.e. YouTube, Big Brother's public cameras, satellites, Reality TV and so on, isn't exclusively an invasion of privacy but an inclination toward self/ecological awareness.  I want to be necessarily vague about these terms since I'm not really sure if they're the best ones to use.

McLuhan has also said that...

I am curious to know what would happen if art were suddenly seen for what it is, namely, exact information of how to rearrange one's psyche in order to anticipate the next blow from our own extended faculties...

Could this be where we're naturally headed?  In what ways might it be possible to use the existing media structures (ads, memes, internet, tv etc...) to subvert their intended purposes (sales, money, agendas etc...) into a way to rearrange one's psyche in order to anticipate the next blow from our own extended faculities?  Is it even possible? 

These were just some ideas floating in my head and I'm curious if i'm possibly overlooking some things...I don't really have a set view on this sort of thing and was hoping to get a discussion going about different ways of subverting established media or possibly even transcending it.

I just finished up Quantum Psychology and I really enjoyed RAW's illustrations on non-locality.  I'd like to get a wider perspective on this subject so would anyone please describe this idea and it's inverse, locality, in their own terms?

Okay so here's my very first attempt at a mashup.

I didn't do anything to the base track but it was fun to play...

Something About Patrick Stewart

Whatever that means to you.

To start off:
:
Wasted Years

Happened to be my intro post at Dark Forum.
Turned out better than I expected despite it being a work of total unoriginality.

hxxp://www.darkforum.com/showthread.php?p=1647004#post1647004

Internets I've given you all and now I'm posting.
Interfucks 23 dollars and 23 cents June 3rd 2009
I can't stand my own hair.
Internets when will we end the flame war?
Go fuck yourself with your /b/ tards.
I don't feel good don't spam me.
I won't write my poem till I'm in PKD's mind.
Interbutts when will you be alcoholic?
When will you take off your clothes?
When will you look at yourself through the lulz?
When will you be worthy of your million pop-ups?
Intertubes why are your google searches full of racism?
InHERpants when will you open your doors to China?
I'm sick of your rules.
When can I go into Amazon.com and buy what I need with my sexy bush?
Intershits after all it is you and I who are perfect not the real world.
Your pixels are too much for me.
You made me want to quit.
There must be some other way to settle this drama.
Tourettes Guy is in YouTube I don't think he'll come back it's sinister.
Are you being sinister or is this some form of trolling?
I'm trying to come to the thread.
I refuse to give up my post count.
Intersex stop loading I know what I'm doing.
Interpoomp the chocolate rain is falling.
I haven't read the newspapers for months, everyday some terrorist gets jelloboarded.
Interpeace I feel sentimental about the furries. (actually that's a lie..of course.)
Interests I used to be a /b/ tard when I was a kid and I'm not sorry.
I smoke marijuana every chance I get. (bitches!)
I sit in my house for days on end and stare at the homos in the closet.
When I go to The Hun's I get drunk and never get laid.
My mind is made up there's nothing better than Indian Thriller.
You should have seen me reading RAW.
My psychoanalyst DOES NOT WANT.
I won't say the D/N/T
I have SACRED visions and CHAOS vibrations.
Intersluts I still haven't told you what I did to Mysticwicks before I got banned.
I'm addressing Private Pyle!
Are you going to let our emotional life be run by Snopes?
I'm obsessed by torrents.
I dl them every week.
Its files stare at me every time I slink past the Bay.
I pirate in my mother's basement.
It's always telling me about dead babies. Srs business are serious. Internets
iz srs business. Everybody's srs but me.
It occurs to me that I am Intercunts.
I am talking to noone again.
Pr0n is rising against me.
I haven't got a yiffer's chance.
I'd better consider my proxies.
My national resources consist of two joints of marijuana millions of shittingdicknipples
an uncountable list of emoticons that load 23kb/s and
twentythreethousand internet forums.
I say nothing about my penis nor the millions of underpenii who live in
my archives under the light of 16x lazers.
I have abolished the Pedos of Canada, France is the next to go.
My ambition is to be Grey despite the fact that I'm a Discordian.
INTERPUBES how can I write an introduction in your DarkForum?
I will continue like Kirk Johnson my fingers are as flexible as his
sphincter more so they're all incredibly long.
Intershucks I will sell you dirty underwear $2300 apiece $5 down on your old tightie whities.
Interslaves free yourself from your digital prison.
InterInter save old 5.25"s
Intertards do a barrell roll.
Intercans drink your Jenkem.
Interclans when I was seven momma bought me my frist Commodore 64 it had everything i ever wanted pitfall, mario a digital music box allowed me to play beeps using my keyboard then i evolved with Sierra Games and Sonny Bonds made me forget I was a kid who sneaked into the local adult BBS system and took an hour to download my first porn picture of an enormous cock with these gorgeous lips around it there were no girly parts but it didn't matter because i was a kid who had porn on his mom's work computer. Everybody should have been a sysop.
Interguns you really make me enjoy Bill O'Reilly.
Intertits it's them bad Terrists.
Them Terrists them Terrists and them Koreans. And them Terrists.
The Terrists wants to eat us alive. The Terrists are power mad. They wants to be jealous of are freedumbs.
Thems wants to grab free ankle Pron. Thems needs a 72 Hustler Rags. Thems wants our
LEEROY JENKINS.

Him big bureaucracy running our Faux News.
That no good. Ugh. Him makes anchor babies learn read. Him need SHOOP DA....aw fuck it..
Hah. Her make us all glued to each other sixteen hours a day. Help.
Interspanks this is quite srs business.
Interdung this is the impression I get from looking in the monitor.
Interdolts is this truth?
I'd better get outside.
It's true I don't want to join the troll army or make hate in republican forums, I'm nearsighted and psychopathic anyway.
Interdrugs I'm putting my queer ball under my mouse.

CLAWS!

It was a Birthday Seafood Boil.  And it was awesome.

It had crab, shrimp, corn, polish sausage, garlic cloves, lemons, and red skin potatoes.

Then we finished it off with some ice cream cake with the chocolate bottom and chocolate chunks. AH! it was so damn good.

(We're also interested in hearing about other ingredient possibility ... and before you say it, we couldn't afford the lobster)

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2wozm3zmdyk

it's that Homosexuality deathstyle propaganda book that idem found in 4chan archives in pdf format.

the pages are out of order, but i think it's an improvement.  lulz to be had...thanks idem!

Thich Nhat Hanh -- No Death, No Fear
Thich Nhat Hanh -- Teachings on Love
Thich Nhat Hanh -- The Heart Of Understanding


Thich Nhat Hanh -- This Present Moment

I got the audiobook and it's crackin me up.  I've never read it before and so far it's been shits and giggles all the way. It really isn't that bad--i forget why some of you said you didn't care for the book.  I just have to admit that Ken Campbell & Chris Fairbank voices are killin me.     Campbell sounds like Dudley Moore on bad Whiskey.   

[Cinnamon Swirls:1 Package (18 oz) refrigerated sugar cookie dough½ cup packed light brown sugar2 teaspoons ground cinnamon1 cup powdered sugar2 to 3 tablespoons milk½ cup finely chopped walnuts or pecans (optional)]

...for your eatification

much anticipated--plagerized straight out of a cookie recipe book but so amazing they bear repeating:

Cinnamon Swirls:

1 Package (18 oz) refrigerated sugar cookie dough
½ cup packed light brown sugar
2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1 cup powdered sugar
2 to 3 tablespoons milk
½ cup finely chopped walnuts or pecans (optional)

1. Remove dough from wrapper; divide dough in half. wrap 1 dough half in plastic wrap; refrigerate. Place remaining dough half in medium bowl. Let stand at room temperature about 15 minutes

2. Add brown sugar and cinnamon to dough in bowl;beat at medium speed of electric mixer until well blended.  Wrap dough in plastic wrap; refrigerate until needed.

3. Roll plain dough on lightly floured surface to form 8-inch square. Repeat with cinnamon dough; place cinnamon dough on top of plain dough. Roll up doughs into 10-inch log. Wrap log in plastic wrap; freeze 1 hour.

4. Preheat oven to 350°F. Grease cookie sheets. Cut dough long in to 3/8-inch slices; place on prepared cookie sheets. Bake 10 to 12 minutes or until edges are lightly browned. Remove to wire rack; cool completely.

5. For icing, mix powdered sugar and 2 tablespoons milk in small bowl until smooth. If necessary, add additional milk, 1 teaspoon at a time, until of desired drizzling consistency.  Drizzle icing over cooled cookies; sprinkle with nuts, if desired.

Makes 2 dozen.

The city lights hide the stars. But, no matter, you had two little stars shining back at you.  All your own. Something real. Something tangible. Terrifying. You'd watch them twinkle when you'd sing and play.  I spotlight my very own bright shining country superstar project manager. That could be me someday.

Mom and dad becomes mom then dad.  Of course, you were on tour.  First Waterford 1986. Then York 1988.  Dallastown 1991.  The millions of screaming fans must have dampened my voice. Then there you were. Star Sunglasses, home for my weekend mini-tours. Then Fairfield 1997. Hagerstown 2000. Florida 2008. I hear it's warm there. 

I've stopped touring these days.  I have my own twinkle stars now.  Amazing brilliant white lights--you'd be blinded if you saw em.  They watch me sing and play. Sometimes even i need sunglasses.  And then you're closer than you've ever been.

i'm not sure if there is an applicable thread but the applications of these are endless.


http://www.geocities.com/nu_isis/fonts.html


maybe i should have done this in the postergasm forum ... well...too late now

At some point i either read or listened to an interview where Robert Anton Wilson said he read a biography of Aleister Crowley that talked about an exercise where you would write down every single event that lead up to you sitting here doing this exercise.  (was it cosmic trigger maybe?)

Has anyone here ever try that exercise?  what were your results like?

http://www.mediafire.com/?bybyoujqrfq

so the wife and i are exploring a little Domination/submission play and while researching it i came across this archive of books pertaining to it.

some are decent and point out about how just because a person is a Dom doesn't mean that s/he has to be a total dick about it...which i appreciate.  anyway i figure SOMEBODY on here might find this interesting.

[never ever]

yesterday, the wife and i were talking about certain attitudes about life.  on one side is the thought approach and the other is the feeling approach.

Her example was that her parents were always there for her, but only in a practical sense.  If she were having a problem they were there financially or practically.  However, if she needed some empathy or a shoulder on which to cry there were none.

One of the reasons why we work so well together is because we allow each other to just BE as we need.  There is a deep acceptance between us that seems to slowly grow beyond us toward life in general. 

For a while we were having a rocky period. we'd argue all the time and fight and life was just bleh! not too long ago we had a sort of enlightenment (i know bad word, but i can't think of any other way of describing it).  there was a catylist and we both opened up our hearts to eachother totally.  there we were just existing inside each other's vulernability. we dropped our barriers totally and really felt love for the first time.  later we realized that the more we talked about it the the more it de-emphasized our experience. we were too much in our heads and that our relationship is about our hearts.

The strange thing is that this newer attitude we're developing emphasizes a general dominant attitude among most people and groups we encounter:

That most people seem generally stuck in their heads.

Take religion, for example.  The emphasis on religion is mostly intellectual. The whole evolution vs. creationism thing is a waste of time. (i know i know it's overdone but it illustrates my point perfectly).  a religious attitude is NOT one of trying to [/i]prove[/i] anything.  Being religious is about a subjective personal relationship with existence.  A deeply religious person should never ever have to justify his feelings. after all, the minute you put emotional experience into words it ceases to be emotional...you've turned the personal experience into a cheap imitation of itself...a parody, if you will. 

Religiousness is poetic.  Christian Scientists should stop intllectualizing their endeavors and start writing bad poetry.  because it's an artistic attitude and not a scientific one.  you never have to justify art...it justifies itself.

If so-called religious people were to start FEELING instead of thinking they might actually get a hint of their 'God'. 

yet it remains.  religious intellectuals playing a game of i'm more intellectual than you. talking about how much they love Jesus yet haven't shed a tear since childhood.

hmm. i think i was going into a different direction with this but somehow it ended up here...maybe i'll post a different ending later.

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I couldn't decide if i should post this in B&B due to it personal nature or TFYS because of it's content or ????  If mods feel it should be elsewhere then please feel free to move it accordingly, it doesn't matter to me.
I'll be sure to keep these x-posts contained in this thread as to not clog up the board with possibly useless jabber about my breathing patterns or how my muscles twitch in rhythm with Rahzel's vocal chords. 

May 13, 2008

This is my first post to announce that i will be partaking on a sequence of events that will chronicle the experiments of the exercises at the end of the chapters of Robert Anton Wilson’s Prometheus Rising and throughout Christopher S. Hyatt’s Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation.

Not only will i attempt to give an honest analysis of the experiments but I will also give a short summary of each book’s main points so as to give a background to the nature of the experiments. (maybe).

In the introduction of Hyatt’s book RAW mentions that very few people actually DO the experiments yet claim their lives have been changed by them. I’d like to put that to the test. A couple years ago I’ve read through both of them, saw the exercises, and skipped right over them. Now, if i DO DO the experiments will anything new happen? who knows…but like my wife says when making her beef stew, “I like to throw in a little of this and a little of that and hope for the best.” In the same way a little of this meditation, a little that experiment should at least give me hope for a head trip that is (at the very least) cheaper than drugs. (of course i won’t rule that one out totally ether).

I can talk a big show about this here and we’ll see if i keep going. These books are only two of many i own that have exercises in them. I wouldn’t be surprised if another one popped up every once and awhile for a taste of something different.

but lets not get ahead of myself now.
on to the stew…

I'm sure this has been covered before and as a disclaimer: i take no credit for any of what follows as it's been stated ad infinitum for centuries.  i'm unaccountable like that.

regardless, i'm curious as to some of your takes on this.

as far as i've get it, understanding impermanance is a skillful method for teaching people who's (aparantly common) fundamental assumption about reality is that things are permanant.  my quick and general take on the BIP is basicly a way of analyzing our fundamental assumptions about reality and watching how they shape our thoughts, actions, perceptions etc. 

if we view our BIP through the filter of impermanance what, if anything, can we get out of it?  is its possible to maybe get a day-pass from our prison by stopping and appreciating the flux of life and finding happiness in the transitory nature of our experiences?

For example, by looking deeply at death of those close to us we can really appreciate these people in the present.  We get angry at those who we really cherish and it causes us to sometimes take them for granted. The anger eventually dies and we're left with possibly guilt or righteousness.... It seems to me that by recognising that I or my family might not be around as early as even the next moment that it adds to the value of my time with them. It really feels like it's the impermanance that allows us to love.

For awhile i considered that i might be able to make a jailbreak. but i wonder if thats really the best approach to the metaphor.  nirvana is in samsara/samsara is in nirvana, kether is in malkuth/malkuth in kether.  Maybe its not a matter of breaking free from prison but rather to feng shui the prison cell.  perhaps it might be more useful accepting our situation (whatever it is) and using the filters that work the best for our happiness (whatever they may be).

by taking our perceptions, thoughts and actions and realizing how really transitory they are we're able to let go of them to life's flux. why are discordians are forbidden to believe anythign we read? dogmatic reasons, sure. and also to get too caught up in any one idea for too long (perhaps even a moment) is grasping at smoke. 

[and that's fucking HILLARIOUS!]

 

AHAHHAHAHAHA IT'S SO FUCKING FUNNY~!

i just got it.  i'm sittin on the shitter and it got it.

It's not A joke it's

THE joke!

and that's fucking HILLARIOUS!

...but sometimes i dig a sense of order. that isn't to say that i don't apprecaite the emphasis of discord as a corrective measure to the curse of Greyface but i think that at times it's also important to pull back sometimes and look at the harmonious interplay between order and disorder. for me this is one of those times. 

according that ancient piece of literature we all ad(bh)ore:

Look at all the order around you," [Greyface] said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it....It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite.

what makes discordianism really work for me is that on a practical level it tends to balance things out (as with the sacred chao, as an example). the game rules of life for that "malcontented hunchbrain" was that life is order. as a corrective, our game rules often say life is disorder (why not?).  but stepping out of the game it's obviously it's both (and neither). what gets me is how it's easier to see that from the discord perspective rather than the order perspective. in fact it kills me.

Doing everything exactly opposite from "The Mainstream" is the same thing as doing everything exactly like "The Mainstream."  You're still using What Everyone Else is Doing as your primary point of reference.

whoever said that...it's wonderful.  i'm going rape it a little bit to suit this post, however

Doing everything exactly opposite from "Order" is the same thing as doing everything exactly like "Order."  You're still using The Curse of Greyface as your primary point of reference. We discordians NEED ol' Graud for our point of refrence.  Afterall, what are revolutionaries to do when the revolution is over?

what is important to me, (at least tonight as i pretend to be a discordian) i feel is to step back and look at the whole picture.  order and disorder go together like back and front.  inside and outside. warp and woof, tweedledee and tweedledum, subject and object, organism and environment etc and etc... 
i know me in terms of all of you; and everybody. 

and that blows my mind.

and that makes me smile. 

1. Glass of milk.
2. Cookies.
3. Combine

this is kinda my own little gasm...i've been meaning to get out a comic strip for shits and giggles...

this is only a test run but if i'm not overly lazy i might just refine this one a bit.



i think photobucket might be sizing it down a bit.