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For the record, I don't even put a lot of stock in Crowley, but I don't think he was a quack, or full of shit, or would ever attempt to insult anyone who did. That was you, MY CHILD.

Hey everyone, someone just learned a new word!

Do you need a definition of Dogma?  I would be more than happy to suply you with one.  Even a few, if you ask nicely.

Down down . . . simmer . . . breathe . . .

Attempting to explain to you Crowley's definition of magic is not dogma, my child.  

You can't make ridiculous statements like those about Crowley and think nobody is going to challenge you on them.

Wow, you just get better and better . . . what's your idea of some fascinating reading The DaVinci Code?  Harry Potter? The Nanny Diaries?

1.  That's not magic, that's just self-inflicted mind-fuckery.

We're just getting into semantics here, bucko.

2.  If you can't understand the baryon conservation principle, how can you understand discordianism?  Blow me, punk.

That's not a very witty response . . . I toss an apple at you and you come back with 'blow me'?  You fail the test.


Now, would anyone care to get back on topic?

1.  If you ain't done it, you should try, and see what happens.
2.  What exactly do you think Crowley's claims were?  Because I think you might have a misconception about Al.

He claimed to be able to work magicK.  Now, define magicK.

I think you are misunderstanding what magic "is" . . . Not that shit David Blaine does . . . its a very personal re-forming of your own mind and consciousness.  It is taking the bull by the horns, and swallowing it.  You own your own mind (some might say you ARE your own mind) so why not control it, instead of having it control you?

You create all the reality you see, why not have fun with it?

If you can't understand Crowley, I don't see how you can understand Discordianism.

They must have been focusing on Chapter 69 of Crowley's Book of Lies.

Crowley was a fraud.

And who isn't?  Define your terms.

A person who can deliver on his/her claims?

Oh, I think he delivered on his claims . . .  e.g. the decline of
Xtianity in the civilized world, the wiccan and neo-pagan currents, the
the Oriental upsurge in the West, all show his influnce...  the OTO¬† keeps growing...

And if you don't understand his writings, I think its unfair to blame him, it's a poor worker who blames his tools.  His writing is all hidden behind riddles, codes and puns . . . its not intended to be light reading.

They must have been focusing on Chapter 69 of Crowley's Book of Lies.

Crowley was a fraud.

And who isn't?  Define your terms.

They must have been focusing on Chapter 69 of Crowley's Book of Lies.

I've probed into it a bit, in the last week, so far nothing completely astounding has come up . . . I've learned some creepy things about myself and realized some things about other people I know that I should have and didn't, but no amazing insights into the world or universe that wouldn't sound like something from a hallmark card . . .

Anyone here ever tried accessing their 'inner Eris'?

Or more specifically, has anyone ever tried contacting their unconscious mind via the excercise RAW puts forward in the second half of Prometheus Rising?

Oh, ALWAYS - except when it's never.

But everything IS true - and nothing is true . . . that's the best part about the "satire".

Every book is fiction, even text books.

and, at any rate, I think 'evil' is pushing it.