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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Cramulus on November 17, 2008, 08:44:10 PM

Title: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 17, 2008, 08:44:10 PM
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/magazine3185511.jpg)

Download Here (http://www.23ae.com/fileupload/intermittens.pdf)

This was a quick and dirty PDF made in three hours to satisfy both a need to produce something and to procrastinate.

I intend for this to be a start, of sorts, of something more. What more? That's really anybody's guess.

Pay close attention to LITGASM, mentioned in the introduction.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 17, 2008, 08:51:09 PM
Huzzah!
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Payne on November 17, 2008, 09:01:30 PM
:mittens:
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Manta Obscura on November 17, 2008, 09:04:48 PM
Jesus, Cram . . . this is really good.

I'll sign up for an del.ic.uous (or however the hell you spell it) account as soon as I can. Thus far, I have a ton of Discordian texts archived for LitGASM, including the Principia Entropius, "Condensed Chaos," "Omiterre Libellus," "Metaclysmia Discordia," and a few others. Pretty sure I have some Rob Breszny stuff waiting in the wings, too.

Once again, great job, Cram!
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 17, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
Inter :mittens: 

This motivates me to actually produce something worth reprinting.  Now if only I had adequate writing skills...
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Suu on November 17, 2008, 09:30:56 PM
Great job, Cram! What program did you use to pull it together? In Design?
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 17, 2008, 09:36:50 PM
No, MS Word. And I had forgotten how much i HATE Word's formatting procedures.



here's some IRC discussion

tl;dr summary:
Producing these magazines will give people creative energy
Each issue by a different editor?
Themes for each issue
Compiling stuff .... fast > thorough



Payne   damn you Cram
Payne   everytime you do something like this, even in a half assed attempt, I want to do something Content and Creative related
Cram   nice
Cram   That's the point Payne -- as a group, when we see our work in print, it stimulates us to produce more work.
Cram   There's a spark of energy that comes out of finishing a project - and I hope that stuff like this magazine sparks people into producing their own creative efforts
rwhn   yeah me too, I'm taking some time off next week so maybe I can get something together.
Payne   we should look at rotating editorships
Payne   each issue by a different editor
Payne   pieces chosen by him or her and what have you
Payne   I'll work on compiling a bunch of good shit for issue two
Cram   that's a good idea
vexati0n   damn writer's block. i need to get laid by a thousand egyptian wenches or something.
bdsimpleton   i should probably start being more pro-active and actually post on the boards
Cram   one way we might do it is via del.icio.us tagging.
Cram   like here's how that would work, using the GASM format as a template---
Cram   you'd make a topic sayiing "I'm putting together an issue of Intermittens on the theme 'sacred chao'" (or whatever)
Cram   "You go tag every post you can find that's relevant with the tag "Intermittens_Chao"
bdsimpleton   and if two people tag the same thing?
bdsimpleton   it just gets two tags?
Cram   yeah
Cram   then when you've got enough material, all you have to do is search for that tag, and you'll find all the relevant material
Cram   That approach works best for projects bigger than PD -- if you're making stuff entirely out of stuff posted at PD, the thread x-post format is better.
bdsimpleton   i dunno how del.icio.us works, sorry XD
Cram   del.icio.us is very simple - you can learn how to use it in three minutes
Cram   all it does is keep bookmarks that other people add. Lets you tag web pages, etc
Payne   yeah
Cram   It's really one of the best ways to link up with the other Discordian networks out there without having to interact with them on forums or myspace or Livejournal or whatever
Payne   well, we'd be starting out with PD and POEE and other "local" disco sites anyway
Cram   yeah
Payne   until the del. idea got going
Payne   so issue two should be relatively simple for me to get shit together for
Cram   yeah
Cram   all I did was go through the womp cabal bucket for graphics, and the Insightful Post Dump for text.
Cram   The whole thing took like three hours
rwhn   what about making specific content as well.  Like someone says "We should have an article about [fill in the blank]" and someone says, "yeah I'm on it."
rwhn   or are we really just compiling writings
Payne   yeah, that's what I was thinking for rotating editorships
Payne   each editor could "theme" his choices
Payne   and make requests for specific topics
Cram   Yeah
rwhn   I think, eventually, we'd need some Q & A's.  Like say Giggles interviewing Chef.
Cram   I think that in a perfect world, an editor would make a proposition for a theme, and then people would start filling in the blanks... maybe take a week or two to produce an issue
Cram   really I think the key is not to hesitate to output these things. Don't sit on it forever, don't worry about making it look so sexy it could sit on a magazine rack, just push it out and we'll distribute it.
Cram   that's the problem with lollercaust - it got to be such a big deal, we never were able to PRODUCE it. It died on the table from being overtalked.
rwhn   Cause I think if someone gave me an idea to write about, I could do that.  I'm having a hard time just picking ideas out of the air lately.
Cram   I hear ya
Telarus   :mittens: on teh magazine Cram. Now I need to look past the cover.
Cram   lol

Cram   also, it's hard to use posts at PD in publications, because so few of them stand on their own, they're part of threads.
Cram   Now if there was a way to publish threads as a magazine article, we'd be SET
vexati0n   and there are ways to publish threads as articles, you just have to not use a BBS.
Telarus   yah, threads need to be edited into a narrative for magazine type publication
Cram   THAT might just be a matter of finding a visually appealing way to set them up... like taking the relevant parts of hte post and putting them in a  word bubble coming out of a WOMP head
Cram   like this sorta: http://blackironprison.com/index.php?title=What_is_The_Machine%28tm%29%3F
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 17, 2008, 09:38:44 PM
Can "Who Killed The Lulz" be a sort of recurring theme? As in, every publication will take some already-published text and replace the name of the main subject with "lulz," generally revolving around the theme of lulz being killed or disappearing.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 17, 2008, 09:39:21 PM
Sidenote - anyone else having probs with this issue crashing their browser?

I get down to about page nine then firefox goes splodey  :?
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 17, 2008, 09:42:29 PM
I put up on on Scribd.  Maybe that will solve your problems, Pent.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/8085216/InterMittens-Vol-1
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 17, 2008, 09:47:51 PM
Not a problem - right clicking and downloading it did the trick but I just though I'd mention it in case anyone else was having probs
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 17, 2008, 09:55:18 PM
w00t!
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Valerie - Gone on November 17, 2008, 10:01:58 PM
I'd like to be an editor for an issue, if no one minds. I'd have to start trudging through the forums for stuff, but...

Also, :mittens: again, Cram. It is awesome!
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Manta Obscura on November 17, 2008, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: Valerie on November 17, 2008, 10:01:58 PM
I'd like to be an editor for an issue, if no one minds. I'd have to start trudging through the forums for stuff, but...

Also, :mittens: again, Cram. It is awesome!

I'd also like to give editing a try sometime, although I'd like to put it off until after the holidays, simply because I will be away from computers for awhile during festivities, both Thanksgiving and Jesus-mas.

And Valerie: if you're wanting to do the editing really soon, a good place to start trudging through is the "Or Kill Me" section, because the rants lend themselves well to the magazine format, being both long and self-contained. I will be going through that section tomorrow and posting some of the really old (relatively, as in old for these boards . . . 2003) rants from people like Trollax, Hugh and others onto the "Insightful Post Dump" thread. Unfortunately I only have internet access at work (yeah, I'm a worktime slacker), or else I would get it done tonight.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Triple Zero on November 17, 2008, 10:37:32 PM
awesome! i'll spam this to some friends

maybe sometime i'll have the time to try out Scribus (opensource layouting program, probably not as advanced as InDesign, but probably easier to layout stuff with than Word) and help out.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Kai on November 17, 2008, 10:56:08 PM
This is truly wondrous Cramulus.

It shows just how little work you need to do to pull off one of these. Srsly.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 17, 2008, 11:00:26 PM
Kudos and thanks.

Now I feel the need to write something as well.

ETA: is the Etc. Discordia getting off the ground?  If not, cannabalize the better articles for issue II.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Rhaythe on November 17, 2008, 11:13:07 PM
Looks great. I'm still amazed you put it together in only 3 hours.

:mittens:
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Payne on November 17, 2008, 11:26:27 PM
I'm fielding Issue Two.

More details as I make them up.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 12:39:43 AM
Excellent, Payne!




You two:

Quote from: Valerie on November 17, 2008, 10:01:58 PM
I'd like to be an editor for an issue, if no one minds. I'd have to start trudging through the forums for stuff, but...


Quote from: Manta Obscura on November 17, 2008, 10:11:26 PM
I'd also like to give editing a try sometime, although I'd like to put it off



yes, please put together issues.

may I suggest? don't wait in line to make an issue - begin working on it now, even if only in the conceptual stage.
          -and also don't overthink it:

The first one you make will be the most challenging, so I suggest just firing it out of your brain like you're clearing a bong














or a crackpipe





Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Vene on November 18, 2008, 12:40:35 AM
Slight criticism; needs moar barstool.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: Cainad on November 17, 2008, 09:38:44 PM
Can "Who Killed The Lulz" be a sort of recurring theme? As in, every publication will take some already-published text and replace the name of the main subject with "lulz," generally revolving around the theme of lulz being killed or disappearing.

yes, you should write that column!
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Valerie - Gone on November 18, 2008, 12:54:14 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 12:39:43 AM
yes, please put together issues.
may I suggest? don't wait in line to make an issue - begin working on it now, even if only in the conceptual stage.
          -and also don't overthink it:
The first one you make will be the most challenging, so I suggest just firing it out of your brain like you're clearing a bong
Ack! Um, it's going to have to wait at least until this next weekend. This is my last week of school before Thanksgiving holidays, so I'm a tad busy. Also, I've never done anything like this before, so I'll have to figure things out.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 18, 2008, 01:54:20 AM
Fantastic work Cram.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 18, 2008, 02:40:18 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: Cainad on November 17, 2008, 09:38:44 PM
Can "Who Killed The Lulz" be a sort of recurring theme? As in, every publication will take some already-published text and replace the name of the main subject with "lulz," generally revolving around the theme of lulz being killed or disappearing.

yes, you should write that column!

8)

There's one pre-made in the "Insightful Post Dump" thread, besides yours. H.P. Lovecraft, murder mysteries... this is gonna be fun!
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Payne on November 18, 2008, 02:44:46 AM
Quote from: Cainad on November 18, 2008, 02:40:18 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: Cainad on November 17, 2008, 09:38:44 PM
Can "Who Killed The Lulz" be a sort of recurring theme? As in, every publication will take some already-published text and replace the name of the main subject with "lulz," generally revolving around the theme of lulz being killed or disappearing.

yes, you should write that column!

8)

There's one pre-made in the "Insightful Post Dump" thread, besides yours. H.P. Lovecraft, murder mysteries... this is gonna be fun!

I'll grab that for Issue 2 then
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Zenpeanut on November 18, 2008, 03:57:10 AM
Cram you Damnulus! The massive awesomeness (and massive size) has reduced my stapler to tears from trying to bind the pages.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cain on November 18, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Repost from other thread:

From here on in, I would like to be notified when my work is being used beforehand.

What I post on a forum with people I more or less know is not how I would post to a new, unknown audience and I would like time to make any necessary edits or raise questions about the use of the essay in question.  This does not necessarily relate to generally using my work elsewhere a la kopyleft (where an individual can highlight or extrapolate on the parts they wish to use) but the fixed format magazine/download, which does not allow for such feedback.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 18, 2008, 10:56:13 AM
From here on in, I would like to be notified when my work is being used beforehand.

What I post on a forum with people I more or less know is not how I would post to a new, unknown audience and I would like time to make any necessary edits or raise questions about the use of the essay in question.  This does not necessarily relate to generally using my work elsewhere a la kopyleft (where an individual can highlight or extrapolate on the parts they wish to use) but the fixed format magazine/download, which does not allow for such feedback.

TIA

cool - may I suggest updating your kopyleft note  (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11808.msg366773#msg366773) to reflect that?

also - would you like to edit the pieces of yours I've put in Transmittens? It's not difficult to update, and the more I look at issue 1, the more little shit I see that I'd like to tighten up anyway.


if publishing your stuff without your green light caused some annoyance,
mea culpa; my bad
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 03:32:47 PM
So a few people have mentioned that they have layout skillz

If someone would like to step up to the plate, I'd like to capitalize on that - issue 1 needs better layout. I can send an edited .doc for anyone that wants to toss it into a more magazinelike format.

Anybody interested?
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 18, 2008, 05:25:13 PM
I think it was mentioned before, but we may also want people doing 'editing' of copypasta to fix the context a bit...

"Now, look at this board and other
Discordian forums... even the pineal ones.
This is Discordianism Becoming,"

SHould probably reflect the new media:

Now, look at this magazine and Discordian forums...
even the pineal ones.
This is Discordianism Becoming,
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Manta Obscura on November 18, 2008, 05:36:01 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 03:32:47 PM
So a few people have mentioned that they have layout skillz

If someone would like to step up to the plate, I'd like to capitalize on that - issue 1 needs better layout. I can send an edited .doc for anyone that wants to toss it into a more magazinelike format.

Anybody interested?

I'm not very good with layout, but if you (or any future editor) would like someone to do copy editing, I'm your man.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Pope Deliciously on November 18, 2008, 08:08:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 03:32:47 PM
issue 1 needs better layout.

I for one liked the layout.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 18, 2008, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 03:32:47 PM
So a few people have mentioned that they have layout skillz

If someone would like to step up to the plate, I'd like to capitalize on that - issue 1 needs better layout. I can send an edited .doc for anyone that wants to toss it into a more magazinelike format.

Anybody interested?

I can offer feedback at this point, but I don't have the time to put it all together.

edit:


Positive elements of the layout:
• It looks highly amateur but in an honest way. Like you didn't try to polish the turd, you just shat it out without trying to dress it up in the slightest. It's not self-conscious about being ramshackle and there's something appealing about that.
• While the styling is amateur, you do have a few of the most basic design principles in play: The titling is big, bold and consistent. The body text is consistent. You also achieved a certain cohesiveness in that the amateur layout (sans cover) fits the amateur imagery (sans cover) for the most part. The "Fuck What You Know About Chaos" graphic also reiterates the cover style which both look more pro than amateur. So it's all woven together, however basic, it's still a kind of global dynamism.
• The amateur elements of the layout reinforce a key idea in the magazine: You may not be the best at _________ but you can still do _________ and participate. There's a certain informal atmosphere that the amateur layout evokes which fits with the content. It makes you think of actual people instead of suits.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
yeah, shit, weren't we working on something already...?

:lulz:
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 19, 2008, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
yeah, shit, weren't we working on something already...?

:lulz:

By the way, I've still yet to find out if my computer is damaged or if it's just the screen.

I may have lost all the files associated with that project and the past year of my life.

:roflcake:
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 19, 2008, 12:17:23 AM
 :aaa:



holyshit!




will do anything I can to help, let me know
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 19, 2008, 12:21:01 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 19, 2008, 12:17:23 AM
:aaa:



holyshit!




will do anything I can to help, let me know

I have a few more things to try out before I pay some MacSpag a heap of money to check it out.

Thanks though.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Faust on November 19, 2008, 02:17:25 AM
awesome.
I'll make a pd mirror now if you want.

(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/intermittens/intermittens_0001.pdf)
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 19, 2008, 02:43:28 AM
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 18, 2008, 05:25:13 PM
I think it was mentioned before, but we may also want people doing 'editing' of copypasta to fix the context a bit...

"Now, look at this board and other
Discordian forums... even the pineal ones.
This is Discordianism Becoming,"

SHould probably reflect the new media:

Now, look at this magazine and Discordian forums...
even the pineal ones.
This is Discordianism Becoming,

yeah, that's one of the big things I noticed after I released it. When I get a chance (which might not be anytime soon), I'd like to edit and re-upload that PDF... if anyone wants to edit their pieces, please do and re-post it.

I'm probably going to re-edit the intro, as it's sorta spagged up.


Quote from: Net on November 18, 2008, 11:36:00 PM
Positive elements of the layout:
• It looks highly amateur but in an honest way. Like you didn't try to polish the turd, you just shat it out without trying to dress it up in the slightest. It's not self-conscious about being ramshackle and there's something appealing about that.
• While the styling is amateur, you do have a few of the most basic design principles in play: The titling is big, bold and consistent. The body text is consistent. You also achieved a certain cohesiveness in that the amateur layout (sans cover) fits the amateur imagery (sans cover) for the most part. The "Fuck What You Know About Chaos" graphic also reiterates the cover style which both look more pro than amateur. So it's all woven together, however basic, it's still a kind of global dynamism.
• The amateur elements of the layout reinforce a key idea in the magazine: You may not be the best at _________ but you can still do _________ and participate. There's a certain informal atmosphere that the amateur layout evokes which fits with the content. It makes you think of actual people instead of suits.

thanks for the review!

though I've been laying out pamphlets and booklets for yeeeears, I'm still learning about professional layout and design. So tips are way appreciated.

Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Requia ☣ on November 19, 2008, 05:28:52 AM
Quote from: Net on November 19, 2008, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
yeah, shit, weren't we working on something already...?

:lulz:

By the way, I've still yet to find out if my computer is damaged or if it's just the screen.

I may have lost all the files associated with that project and the past year of my life.

:roflcake:

Can you not just rip the hard drive out like n a PC?
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 19, 2008, 05:55:51 AM
Quote from: Requiem on November 19, 2008, 05:28:52 AM
Quote from: Net on November 19, 2008, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
yeah, shit, weren't we working on something already...?

:lulz:

By the way, I've still yet to find out if my computer is damaged or if it's just the screen.

I may have lost all the files associated with that project and the past year of my life.

:roflcake:

Can you not just rip the hard drive out like n a PC?

It's a laptop, so no.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cain on November 19, 2008, 10:42:53 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 18, 2008, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 18, 2008, 10:56:13 AM
From here on in, I would like to be notified when my work is being used beforehand.

What I post on a forum with people I more or less know is not how I would post to a new, unknown audience and I would like time to make any necessary edits or raise questions about the use of the essay in question.  This does not necessarily relate to generally using my work elsewhere a la kopyleft (where an individual can highlight or extrapolate on the parts they wish to use) but the fixed format magazine/download, which does not allow for such feedback.

TIA

cool - may I suggest updating your kopyleft note  (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11808.msg366773#msg366773) to reflect that?

also - would you like to edit the pieces of yours I've put in Transmittens? It's not difficult to update, and the more I look at issue 1, the more little shit I see that I'd like to tighten up anyway.


if publishing your stuff without your green light caused some annoyance,
mea culpa; my bad

Changed.

No, I don't want to edit them.

OK but yes, it did annoy me. 
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Verbal Mike on November 20, 2008, 10:50:41 AM
This is awesome.
You know what would be even more awesome? A mailing list that Intermittens is sent out on, where you can sign yourself up - or anyone else for that matter.
There's an instructor in one of my classes whom I am planning to slip a copy of BIP because she seems extremely close to the ideas therein... And signing her up for automatic Intermittens updates wouldn't hurt. :P
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Rumckle on November 20, 2008, 01:37:02 PM
Is good, I think it needs a last page, like a back cover or something, perhaps with the website again
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 21, 2008, 01:16:28 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 19, 2008, 02:43:28 AM
Quote from: Net on November 18, 2008, 11:36:00 PM
Positive elements of the layout:
• It looks highly amateur but in an honest way. Like you didn't try to polish the turd, you just shat it out without trying to dress it up in the slightest. It's not self-conscious about being ramshackle and there's something appealing about that.
• While the styling is amateur, you do have a few of the most basic design principles in play: The titling is big, bold and consistent. The body text is consistent. You also achieved a certain cohesiveness in that the amateur layout (sans cover) fits the amateur imagery (sans cover) for the most part. The "Fuck What You Know About Chaos" graphic also reiterates the cover style which both look more pro than amateur. So it's all woven together, however basic, it's still a kind of global dynamism.
• The amateur elements of the layout reinforce a key idea in the magazine: You may not be the best at _________ but you can still do _________ and participate. There's a certain informal atmosphere that the amateur layout evokes which fits with the content. It makes you think of actual people instead of suits.

thanks for the review!

though I've been laying out pamphlets and booklets for yeeeears, I'm still learning about professional layout and design. So tips are way appreciated.



If you want to know why I find it amateur I'll tell you via pm so as to not put a damper on things.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 21, 2008, 01:18:58 AM
please do
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Payne on November 21, 2008, 01:22:22 AM
Although, you should put out some hints and tips for everyone else too.

~~~Payne: Not entirely sure now that he wants to release something that looks like a "polished turd"
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 21, 2008, 01:57:19 AM
Amateur is not necessarily a bad thing, it does mean "for the love of" after all.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Payne on November 21, 2008, 02:07:39 AM
Oh, I don't mind if it looks amateur. I just want to avoid the polished turd thing he refers to, if I can. I'm hoping he'll still post some hints and tips to make it look more genuine if not more professional.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 21, 2008, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: Payne on November 21, 2008, 02:07:39 AM
Oh, I don't mind if it looks amateur. I just want to avoid the polished turd thing he refers to, if I can. I'm hoping he'll still post some hints and tips to make it look more genuine if not more professional.

Here's how you can avoid it:

Just put it all together as fast as you know how and don't look back.

Anybody can do graphic design at a decent level—you're surrounded by it on a daily basis, you have vast stores of intuitive knowledge. I couldn't tell you how to do it well, because I'm just a douchebag design student and my discipline is trivial.

Actually this has nothing to do with me still being hurt by Hoopla and Nigel, which I still am (don't worry though, I'll find a way to send an emotional bullet into your soft spots yet).  I'm not going to give out tips because they'd be more problematic for you and myself than they would be helpful.

Your tools are probably not as capable as mine and I'm not familiar enough with your limitations to give tips that you can utilize. If you're inspired enough, it won't matter or you'll find a way around them.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Payne on November 21, 2008, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Net on November 21, 2008, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: Payne on November 21, 2008, 02:07:39 AM
Oh, I don't mind if it looks amateur. I just want to avoid the polished turd thing he refers to, if I can. I'm hoping he'll still post some hints and tips to make it look more genuine if not more professional.

Here's how you can avoid it:

Just put it all together as fast as you know how and don't look back.

Anybody can do graphic design at a decent level—you're surrounded by it on a daily basis, you have vast stores of intuitive knowledge. I couldn't tell you how to do it well, because I'm just a douchebag design student and my discipline is trivial.

Actually this has nothing to do with me still being hurt by Hoopla and Nigel, which I still am (don't worry though, I'll find a way to send an emotional bullet into your soft spots yet).  I'm not going to give out tips because they'd be more problematic for you and myself than they would be helpful.

Your tools are probably not as capable as mine and I'm not familiar enough with your limitations to give tips that you can utilize. If you're inspired enough, it won't matter or you'll find a way around them.

:lulz:

Okay, that's cool.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 21, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
I did apologize for that.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 21, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 21, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
I did apologize for that.

Privately, much after the fact.

I hope you get maimed by falling metal Helvetica.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 21, 2008, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: Net on November 21, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 21, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
I did apologize for that.

Privately, much after the fact.

I hope you get maimed by falling metal Helvetica.

I am publicly and genuinely very sorry for being an asshole about the fonts, Net.  On the internet there is very little I can do beyond that, but thank you for wishing me maimed.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2008, 08:55:31 PM
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 21, 2008, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: Net on November 21, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 21, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
I did apologize for that.

Privately, much after the fact.

I hope you get maimed by falling metal Helvetica.

I am publicly and genuinely very sorry for being an asshole about the fonts, Net.  On the internet there is very little I can do beyond that, but thank you for wishing me maimed.

Too little, too late.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 25, 2008, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: Net on November 25, 2008, 08:55:31 PM
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 21, 2008, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: Net on November 21, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 21, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
I did apologize for that.

Privately, much after the fact.

I hope you get maimed by falling metal Helvetica.

I am publicly and genuinely very sorry for being an asshole about the fonts, Net.  On the internet there is very little I can do beyond that, but thank you for wishing me maimed.

Too little, too late.

Perhaps it would have been easier to forgive me if I had been lucky enough to have been born with a vagina?
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2008, 09:33:31 PM
ARIAL  :lulz:
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 25, 2008, 09:37:05 PM
Who knew a ridiculous little font could cause so much STRIFE???





                                  ME.
                                   /
(http://www.smeddum.net/images/astrology/eris.jpg)
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cain on November 25, 2008, 09:38:20 PM
This reminds me, I need to get on with creating either an Eris or Apple of Discord smiley.

Also, less importantly: *sigh*
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cramulus on November 25, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

ATTN: font argument cabal

take this stupid shit to some other thread




MEANWHILE

I'm still trying to find a replacement piece for "Mindfucking the Media" on the back cover. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: hooplala on November 25, 2008, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 25, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

ATTN: font argument cabal

take this stupid shit to some other thread

Don't worry, I won't be responding to anything further concerning the font issue here or anywhere else.

Sorry for the threadjack.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 25, 2008, 09:33:31 PM
ARIAL  :lulz:

I'll be dropping by your books and key this Friday.

But you can go fuck yourself before then.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2008, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 25, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

ATTN: font argument cabal

take this stupid shit to some other thread


I'm done.


I don't get much out of these forums any more.

And I don't think it's a problem of garbage-in/garbage-out either.

Peace out, spags.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Jenne on November 26, 2008, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Net on November 25, 2008, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 25, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

ATTN: font argument cabal

take this stupid shit to some other thread


I'm done.


I don't get much out of these forums any more.

And I don't think it's a problem of garbage-in/garbage-out either.

Peace out, spags.

:(  Well, I came back.  You can, too, Net.

*leaves the porchlight on*
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2008, 03:18:52 AM
Quote from: Net on November 25, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 25, 2008, 09:33:31 PM
ARIAL  :lulz:

I'll be dropping by your books and key this Friday.

But you can go fuck yourself before then.

What the fuck? Was supposed to be a mood-lightener.

But I'll appreciate you bringing the books back, I really need them and I can't afford to replace them.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: OPTIMUS PINECONE on November 26, 2008, 03:48:37 AM
Quote from: Jenne on November 26, 2008, 01:54:59 AM
Quote from: Net on November 25, 2008, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 25, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

ATTN: font argument cabal

take this stupid shit to some other thread


I'm done.


I don't get much out of these forums any more.

And I don't think it's a problem of garbage-in/garbage-out either.

Peace out, spags.

:(  Well, I came back.  You can, too, Net.

*leaves the porchlight on*

     Perhaps he'll have greater resolve.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Jenne on November 26, 2008, 06:58:46 AM
Many of us do, Dear Pinecone.  :D  Regardless, he's always welcome wherever I am.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2008, 07:59:51 AM
Well, I certainly like Net a great deal. Perhaps we simply live on different spheres of implication, in which case I am really quite sorry for what I said, although I confess I do not think I can hold up to never saying anything flippant or callous again, so most likely any friendship we managed to re-forge would be doomed. :(
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: M.K on November 26, 2008, 01:10:37 PM
This shit is great. You have my gratitude.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 26, 2008, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Payne on November 21, 2008, 01:22:22 AM
Although, you should put out some hints and tips for everyone else too.

~~~Payne: Not entirely sure now that he wants to release something that looks like a "polished turd"

Surprisingly, Mythbusters proved that a polished turd looks quite exceptional. They used the dorodango method.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: OPTIMUS PINECONE on November 26, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: Jenne on November 26, 2008, 06:58:46 AM
Many of us do, Dear Pinecone.  :D  Regardless, he's always welcome wherever I am.

     "US" is a warm feeling
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Jenne on November 27, 2008, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on November 26, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: Jenne on November 26, 2008, 06:58:46 AM
Many of us do, Dear Pinecone.  :D  Regardless, he's always welcome wherever I am.

     "US" is a warm feeling


Ha!  That it is.  I takes it where I can gets it, these days. ;)
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Jenne on November 27, 2008, 12:47:25 AM
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 26, 2008, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Payne on November 21, 2008, 01:22:22 AM
Although, you should put out some hints and tips for everyone else too.

~~~Payne: Not entirely sure now that he wants to release something that looks like a "polished turd"

Surprisingly, Mythbusters proved that a polished turd looks quite exceptional. They used the dorodango method.


Holy Shit (almost literally)!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorodango
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2008, 06:33:28 AM
I would like my books back: it is over $200 worth of books that I cannot afford to replace.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 28, 2008, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 27, 2008, 06:33:28 AM
I would like my books back: it is over $200 worth of books that I cannot afford to replace.

I would like my Principia Discordia (Syn's version) back.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: OPTIMUS PINECONE on November 28, 2008, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: Net on November 28, 2008, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 27, 2008, 06:33:28 AM
I would like my books back: it is over $200 worth of books that I cannot afford to replace.

I would like my Principia Discordia (Syn's version) back.

     It's been on the front porch, waiting for you to arrive (as you said you would, but have not), since early this morning
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2008, 10:38:31 PM
Yes. Also I am fine with you leaving my books and key on the front porch, Net. Thanks.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2008, 11:51:40 PM
Books received. Thank you. No key, but I will change the lock and consider any interaction done.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 29, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 28, 2008, 11:51:40 PM
Books received. Thank you. No key, but I will change the lock and consider any interaction done.

I misplaced your key when I moved.
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 29, 2008, 02:20:52 AM
 :sad:
Title: Re: Intermittens, issue 1
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2008, 01:18:33 AM
Quote from: Net on November 29, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 28, 2008, 11:51:40 PM
Books received. Thank you. No key, but I will change the lock and consider any interaction done.

I misplaced your key when I moved.

Found it. I'll mail it to you if you haven't invested in a new lock and don't think I'm peabrained enough to have it copied for nefarious purposes.

I won't be going anywhere near your residence if that's what you mean by interaction.

Also, flounce over. Meltdown in cooling stage. I'd be crazy to avoid this entire place on account of two part-time shit-stirrers.

First mod to read this, please to prune this drama into a new thread called Font Argument Cabal in Apple Talk.