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#47
This sounds like justification of Unlawful Means, but it's NOT. It's key to understand that Right Winger cult leaders fully understand this concept. It's why they go out of their way to ensure that Lawful Means aren't possible - Unlawful Means often destroy any political momentum the oppressed had, and (In the Public's eye) justifies further brutalization by the Authorities.

This is different from most of the Liberal Elite (Think Shark Tank types like Mark/Lori.), who oppress the effected merely by passive benefit from the theft of their Labor, and refusal to lobby to replace the conditions that create their suffering (Which they could easily do without breaking the bank, in most cases.). They are the target of the Right Wing's attempt at stoking the fire. The Liberal Elites have the ability to lobby and fund real change from the bottom up, but they refuse for fear of enabling "militant radicals". So they stay in the middle.
#48
Also, curious how all the people who are suddenly so interested in Women's Sports and its "fairness" are the same people who've repeatedly made jokes about Women's Sports being inferior and not worth watching.
#49
Quote from: PoFP on May 22, 2021, 03:16:17 PM
Just some Lefty Propaganda for those interested. Inspired by some JacobinMag literature and some writings by G. William Domhoff. Highly recommend him for high-level views of American Power Structures.

Historical Genesis of Hierarchical Power Structures

Humans have always created Hierarchical Power Structures in a 3-Step process known as Circumscription (Binding People to a place):



  • Organization of Innovation of Production and/or Consumption on a given piece of land to increase its value to its locals and foreigners alike (Irrigation agriculture/trade monopolies did this before governments existed), and distribution of its resources to those a leader wishes to control



  • With that control, establishment of a Military to enforce a Leader's Ownership of that Land



  • And establishment of a Religion that legitimizes that Leader's position in the Hierarchy

The difficulties you face in trying to walk away from Local Growth Coalitions and Capitalist Monopolies, as well as the profitable, private Infrastructure and conveniences they provide, are intentional consequences set to increase Population Density, and therefore Profit per square foot of Land, not the result of natural Market Influences.

And of course, Religion doesn't necessarily always mean Christianity, Islam, etc.

As Discordians are quite aware, Doctrine and Dogma, like Constitutional/Founder Fetishism or "Leadership" Fetishism in Bureaucracies are completely viable replacements for the Secular Suckerâ„¢.

I was always looking for a unified application of a lot of the concepts of Discordianism in understanding today's corruption and I think I've found it in Sociology, and specifically, the study of Power Structures. And unsurprisingly, there's actually fairly limited Publicized research on the Subject, which means there's a lot more to learn and discover. G. William Domhoff and others have been working to formalize the empirical study of Power Structures using Statistics, Communication Networks, and Political Content Analysis. But I think a significant portion of the Research is focused on measuring and identifying the Structures we already have accurate pictures of. I plan on using some of the formalized areas of the study, along with Political Science and Sociology in general to put together an Architectural Reference representation of Power Structures and their Types, and to hopefully expand and clarify the lower-level details of how they work as best I can. A lot of this will be no-brainers for most everyone on this Board, but I think a unified picture will make it easier to study and identify wild Power Structures and prevent predatory, hierarchical ones from being created or at least gaining popularity. At the Local Level, we might even be able to put together a discipline for reversing and replacing them with Grass-Roots, Community-based Democracies.

Hopefully, this is not just another Pet Project I'll spend a week on and get bored of and never complete though, like I've done with every passion I've ever had.
#50
Quote from: Cramulus on May 24, 2021, 08:56:16 PM
4. Roger's nipples now have four different textures of hair. That's course, curly, fine, and something we've been calling "Kramer"
:spittake:
#51
Aneristic Illusions / Re: E-Democracy
May 24, 2021, 05:09:17 AM
Considering voting, and much more sensitive communication-based Structures in government now rely on the Internet and various Software-based technologies anyways, I don't see any issues with Democracy (Representative) existing on a more instantaneous medium like the Internet. There are plenty of standard security practices that are effective enough at that scale, it's not that big of a deal. With the right Software design, it could even make the governmental Architecture easier to understand for the layman.

I would like to say, I'm intrigued by the Proxy Voting System, not as a primary form of voting, but maybe as an extremely transient and optional feature when looking to vote in Elections, and more supported when voting on actual Legislation. The main concern I have with this being used in Elections (Where votes should be Anonymous), however, is potential bad actors saying one thing to gain Proxy Votes in order to actually direct them at the exact opposite Nominee that the Proxiers expected. Destabilization of the structure would be extremely easy in this case. Proxying should be extremely restricted or not allowed for Elections. This is not an issue when voting on Legislation, however, since Legislation Votes should be Public, just as they are now (When cast by Representatives of course - Not in the case of Direct Democracy, which I don't agree with for reasons Dok et al have already clarified.).

Personally, I think this thread has been looking at the Voting and Legislative process problems from the wrong angle (To be fair, I only read the first few pages, some pages in the middle, and the last few pages, so some of this may have been brought up here or other places already.). The problems in today's society are generally caused by Legal/Late Stage Capitalism's (Different from Free Market Capitalism, in that the State has formalized and blessed its natural failures and Monopolies.) natural support for Hierarchical, Bureaucratic Organizational Structures through:

- Overcomplication of legal and business processes

- Hoarding/Gatekeeping of knowledge of these processes within highly specialized Domains of the Private Sector

We solve these problems by enforcing simplification of Legislation through standardization of its language, and through the use of Encapsulation (Often used in Programming and other linguistics fields to establish intuitive Abstraction Layers within written Instruction that allow you to reference groups of smaller instructions with simpler high-level instructions.).

Basically, if you can't represent your legislation in a recursive drop-down tree of standardized, reusable instructions, conditions, and ideas, it's not structured enough to be acceptable. Object/Domain-orientation can also be applied for further high-level organization.

Why treat legislation like Software? Because Legislation is a formal, syntactically specific form of instruction, and because States all over are already starting to do this (kind of) as they've begun transcribing legislation and legal codes into websites. Recursive linking is already implemented through the Article, Section, etc. Structure. This should be extrapolated out into the fundamental syntax of legal language. The establishment of a structured syntax standard that specializes in Object/Domain Orientation and Encapsulation would make it easier for the Layman to understand the Legislation being voted on without requiring a Law Degree or special training. It also increases re-usability of Legislation Components in the same way it makes Software Modules reusable. It would facilitate the average Citizen's ability to drag and drop high-level Legislative snippets and ideas into a proposed bill as high-level components (That still contain all the low-level, expanded legalese that make up those components) and submit the full proposals in almost no time at all, even using popular/preferres components from existing and successful pieces of Legislation. If done properly, it should be possible for someone in the Electorate to identify a problem and submit fully functional, repeatable Legislation in a day that can be quickly assessed and amended by the Legislature before going to a vote.

This Architecture, of course, would require collaboration between teams of Linguistics experts, Software Architects and Engineers, Lawyers, Teachers, and Community Organizers to ensure that current Local, State, and National Legislation is properly transcribed ("Properly" meaning, it meets the suggested criteria of being modular, while also being linguistically inclusive of the layman and internationalized with accurate translations to other languages.), and we would need to standardize the Software Solution and open the Source for transparency and Community-based Hardening. But it wouldn't be as expensive or time consuming to implement as you might think.

The next problem, after you've made Legislation uniform and accessible, is the distribution of Democratic Power, and destruction of unnecessary Bureaucracy. No more of this City Manager + City Council + Cabinet + Department Head Appointee, stretch each layer of Hierarchy between elected positions upward as much as possible bullshit. If we want a Meritocracy, we need to structure the Democracy in the same way that Meritocratic Domain Specialization naturally occurs, and we need to make sure each layer in the Hierarchy is subject to Democratic oversight by the layer below AND the layer above (Above -> Merely by representation instead of Direct Democracy; Below -> By Election/Delegation of Members and Intent upwards to fill higher levels/tiers).

I recommend a modified form of Participatory Politics, where Democratic Hierarchies in all branches of government are formed as needed from the ground up through Community organization around Governing Domains (Hierarchies of Categorization of Legislation topics, as well as governing jurisdiction by population density and location.). My primary concern with it's suggested implementation on Wikipedia is that everyone is required to participate as a council member at the bottom rung, at least. I think we could easily replace the structure of the current State's major components with something that resembles their proposed "Parpolity" structure without replacing it entirely with a system where every single person is directly involved, since a significant number of people won't care to be involved in government and their involvement will likely impede those who do care. Besides, I think the assumption in their proposed implementation was that anyone who wasn't involved was simply ignored by the system, either defaulting non-participants to Anarchism or surrounding State Rule, which is hilariously unrealistic. As long as the Electoral and Legislative Proposal processes are open to all citizens that fall under corresponding Jurisdictions, Agencies, Legislatures, and Courts, I think we're okay with actual Council participation being optional, but immediately accessible by the individual, if preferred. It's also important not to lose the current Organizations and Infrastructure that currently exist by rebuilding each Agency/Legislature/Court from the ground up again. It's possible to transition existing Organizations to the new Structure and re-adjust the scale afterwards as needed using the new system's predefined processes.

The structure ultimately ensures:

- Cancellation of Mob Rule through Randomized Courts at each Council Tier, made up of individuals within the Scope of that Council's jurisdiction.

- Scope of Legislation is restricted to the Scope of the proposing Council (And all its corresponding and represented, but non-governing citizens in its jurisdiction) downward

- Hierarchy is established from the bottom up, instead of the top down, ensuring stratification is minimized to what is deemed necessary by the lower levels to ensure adequate domain specialization, representation, and specificity.

It's also suggested that Parecon (Participatory Economics) is paired with this to ensure similar Democratization of the Means of Production, but I have the same concerns with this structure that I had with the other. I think we've seen enough Democratic Workplace structures succeed (Like Co-Ops, and similar structures.) that we can come up with a mix that enforces Socialization of the Means of Production without resulting in a planned economy like they suggest. Market Socialism is probably ideal, and I think it would be best implemented using concepts from Parecon - Not the whole thing. Mostly just the decentralized organization of Democratic Labor, but with Personal and Shared Ownership of Property giving way to a fully featured Market that is less likely to leave its constituents starving or dependent on Slave Labor or Planetary destruction to survive.

Happy to talk specifics, either in this thread, or in another. This was a very high-level overview.
#52
Growth Coalitions are the independent Power Structures at the Local and State levels that include Retailers, Land Owner Monopolies, Landlords, and City Managers/Politicians that benefit from Population and Land growth. A great breakdown by the leading voice in Power Structure Research can be found here.

Essentially, they work together to drive investments into Cities, often at the cost of neighborhood Public Health, Safety, and Community. They are largely responsible for Gentrification and displacement of the poor. Not everything they do is negative, per se, but their tendency to favor profit over Social well-being makes them a Net Negative force.
#53
Quote from: rong on May 22, 2021, 06:34:48 PM
so, no, but yes?  i was just makin chit chat.  i checked out your FB page.  I feel like I disagree with a lot of your premises and have the urge to try to debate them.  Admittedly, it's not an arena I have a lot of experience in, though.  For example, I'm not familiar with the term "growth coalition."

Liberals/Pluralists and Right-Wingers/Libertarians tend not to agree with me. I'm assuming you're in the former crowd, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
#54
Quote from: rong on May 22, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
you're not one of those conspiracy theorists i keep hearing so much about, are ya?

Well, what kind of Conspiracy Theorist are we talking about? I don't think we're turning the frogs gay, or that Biden is Trump in a Biden costume and Trump never left the White House. But I do believe that a significant portion of the Capitalist Elite are conspiring with Growth Coalitions to extract wealth and labor from as many people as possible at all costs.

It felt wrong, but still voted Biden, if that helps.
#55
Follow my page on Facebook "Elmer Season" if you want similar stuff, as that's where I tend to post things to anymore. I refuse to use Page/Post Boosting or Ads, so all my viewership has to be organic or done through direct outreach like this, so no need to worry about anything going to Facebook besides the views.
#56
Just some Lefty Propaganda for those interested. Inspired by some JacobinMag literature and some writings by G. William Domhoff. Highly recommend him for high-level views of American Power Structures.

Historical Genesis of Hierarchical Power Structures

Humans have always created Hierarchical Power Structures in a 3-Step process known as Circumscription (Binding People to a place):



  • Organization of Innovation of Production and/or Consumption on a given piece of land to increase its value to its locals and foreigners alike (Irrigation agriculture/trade monopolies did this before governments existed), and distribution of its resources to those a leader wishes to control



  • With that control, establishment of a Military to enforce a Leader's Ownership of that Land



  • And establishment of a Religion that legitimizes that Leader's position in the Hierarchy

The difficulties you face in trying to walk away from Local Growth Coalitions and Capitalist Monopolies, as well as the profitable, private Infrastructure and conveniences they provide, are intentional consequences set to increase Population Density, and therefore Profit per square foot of Land, not the result of natural Market Influences.
#57
My Church Leader, Supreme Lord of the Universe Keith Kyles told me words like "Cult" are just psychological traps created by Leftist Cancel Culture, so I'm going to have to disagree with you on principle.
#58
FUCKING CALLED IT

Well, partially. I thought they'd go through VanwaTech to get the Hosting, but they decided to go straight to VanwaTech's Host Providers, DDoS-Guard. So it's official. Parler is now hosted on Russian-owned servers, and the Russians now have unmitigated access to an American Right-Wing Conspiracy Propaganda Machine.

This definitely won't have an impact on American politics for decades. At all.
#59
EDIT: I'm terrible at joke execution, worse at mixing jokes and sensitive topics, and THE worst at recognizing and appreciating the INCREDIBLE luck I've been blessed with: To have been asymptomatic with COVID, know absolutely no one that has died from COVID, AND have not been impacted, career-wise, by COVID.

Please forgive any stupid insensitivity on my part regarding this post or any others.
#60
Quote from: Cain on January 11, 2021, 08:58:26 PM
Very probably, but since Parler's users doxxed themselves I doubt they were struggling to get the info in the first place.

True :lulz:  - I guess it was the direct influence over Ex-Military and Active Law Enforcement that I was more worried about. They'd have direct jurisdiction over what happens on the site, the information presented, and could more easily access and direct resistance groups and movements based on EM/LE involvement, and take advantage of insider details that they post in what would normally be closed groups, simply because they have direct access to all the data. Ideally, they'd no longer have to get an operative to try and weasel his way into a group (Not that it was hard anyways) or fish for suckers and distribute propaganda. They would be able to orchestrate the flow of information through Idiot America almost programmatically. If they've got Admin access, they could create their own Users with specific access, process post text for keywords and build statistics to get a quantitative analysis of radicalism in public discourse, and amplify that radicalism with targeted Propaganda they feed into whatever groups they want whenever they want. Add in the fact that many of these people they're manipulating might have had Security Clearances and unique military experience, and they can probably start getting Groups created that build military knowledge repositories by asking those users the right questions, all in the name of "Take our country back from the 'Demonrats'".

I mean, is it absurd to suggest that we could start to see highly organized, unregulatable online paramilitary operations in US cities managed directly by Russia if that site becomes part of their jurisdiction?