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#1
Aneristic Illusions / Re: There Can Be Only One!
December 29, 2024, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: Brother Mythos on December 27, 2024, 06:28:44 AMI think the descriptor "Total Mayhem" is a bit hyperbolic, but I still find this article to be amusing:

"MAGA in Total Mayhem as Laura Loomer Goes to War With Elon Musk"

As per this article:

"Right-wing influencer and Donald Trump gadfly Laura Loomer is attacking Elon Musk, seemingly over his desire for more immigrants to work and study in science and technology fields in the United States.
 
In several posts on X Thursday, Loomer railed against Musk and his influence on Trump. She attacked Musk's "Department of Government Efficiency" project with Vivek Ramaswamy, calling it a "vanity project" on Wednesday before accusing it as a smokescreen for "the pet projects of tech bro billionaires" on Thursday. She also claimed that there would be a falling out between Musk and Trump soon."

Here's the link:   Laura Loomer versus the USCEO

As TTSS has already kicked Loomer to the curb, I don't see her attack on his USCEO going anywhere. And, I'm now not optimistic that TTSS, or any of the other members of the First Crime Family, will cut themselves off from the assets of the richest prick on the planet. Right now, I think they're all just too greedy to even seriously consider the possibility.

As full of nonsense as Loomer usually is she had some very good things to say about just why Musk and Ramaswami support visas for skilled workers, it's not because they want the best talent, like they claim, it's because they don't want to pay high wages and she backed it up with numbers and sources.
#2
Quote from: Brother Mythos on December 20, 2024, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on December 20, 2024, 05:34:14 PMsomeone facing a lynch mob is also an "indiscriminate mass shooter" That particular situation gets ignored by Dems and GOP both, but an automatic weapon is extremely nice to have if you are facing a mob.

I got a big kick, and a smile out of your reply. It reminded me of the time, years ago, when a friend and I were confronted by a small "mob" in an open, very public place.

I WOULD NOT BE ALIVE TODAY, AND WRITING THIS REPLY if I, or my friend, or both of us had been visibly carrying any type of firearms. And, that's because that small "mob" (Six young men.) already had their automatic weapons in their hands, and aimed directly at us from close range (Three steps out of my reach, and two steps out of my friend's reach.), before we even knew we were in any kind of trouble in that open, very public place.

And, that was also the day I came to the realization that a gun ain't worth JACK FUCKING GODDAMNED SHIT, if it's not loaded and in your hand well before the other guy(s) can get one(s) in his/their hand(s).

That mob was explicitly not a lynch mob, how do we know that?  Because you and your friend were not lynched.

As you pointed out a bump stock weapon is less accurate than it would be without the bump stock, so against one victim it doesn't give the mob any advantage, even if every member has one, meanwhile it gives the outnumbered person way more chance to kill the members of the mob. 

In your case, if you had been armed you would have probably been killed, which was not the outcome the mob you were facing was hoping for, meanwhile for a victim of a lynch mob, if they are unarmed they absolutely will be killed because that is the outcome the mob is looking for.  If they are armed they will probably still die, but they have a much higher chance of taking some of their killers with them.
#3
Quote from: Brother Mythos on December 21, 2024, 11:21:58 PMI admit it, I love making fun of Steve Bannon. Still, there are times when I unexpectedly find myself in agreement with a political enemy on a particular issue, even though we're both seeking totally different "big picture" end results. And, what Bannon had to say in the following article is one of those times:

"'We have to increase taxes on the wealthy': Steve Bannon"

I gave up trying to find a couple of succinct quotations that clearly summarize the contents of this article. Nevertheless, Bannon does clearly explain why he advocates taxing the rich. Further, Bannon's calculated appeal to populism is something the Democratic Party, leftists, etc. need to study and emulate.

I think if Trump followed this playbook, increased corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy, along with actual middle class tax cuts, whether that's the over time and tip ones Bannon is talking about, or simply reducing income tax on the lower tax tiers, that he'd be setting up the kind of long term thing Bannon also talks about.  Even if the middle class ended up paying more in taxes, because of tariffs.

However I can't imagine that's what's actually going to happen. The tax plan that I am hearing about includes more cuts for the wealthy and from what I hear the overtime tax cut consists of removing mandatory overtime pay.  Those actions will alienate the folks who supported him and probably lead to Democrats taking Congress in the midterms.
#4
Quote from: Brother Mythos on June 20, 2024, 11:54:31 PMI have never fired a rifle equipped with a bump stock. But, it is my understanding that bump stocks severely reduce the accuracy of such a rifle. So, that make a rifle equipped with a bump stock unsuitable for target shooting. In any case, automatic, and even semi-automatic rifles can not be legally used for hunting game in, at least, my state. (There used to be an exception allowing handicapped hunters to use semi-automatic rifles, and that exception may still exist.)

So, what is a rifle equipped with a bump stock actually good for? Well, as has already been well proven, it's a great choice for an indiscriminate mass shooter.

"Republicans block bill to outlaw bump stocks for rifles after Supreme Court lifts Trump-era ban"

As per this article:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans blocked bipartisan legislation Tuesday that would have outlawed bump stocks after the Supreme Court struck down a ban on the rapid-fire gun accessory used in the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.

Democrats tried to force a voice vote on the bill to ban bump stocks, a tactic often used by both parties when they know that they don't have the votes to pass legislation but want to bring an issue to the Senate floor. The bill, sponsored by Sens. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, would ban the sale of the devices, similar to the rule issued by President Donald Trump's administration after a gunman in Las Vegas attacked a country music festival in 2017 with semiautomatic rifles equipped with the accessories."

And, as per further along in this article:

"Nebraska Sen. Pete Ricketts objected for Republicans, blocking an immediate vote on the bill. He called the legislation a "gun grabbing overreach" that could be interpreted to include other gun accessories beyond bump stocks."

Here's this link:    Republicult™ Blocks Bill Outlawing Bump Stocks

As surviving a mass shooting, as well as initiating one, is becoming something a 'rite of passage' in the US of A, the Republicult™ is certainly doing its part to make sure it actually becomes another 'Merican tradition.

someone facing a lynch mob is also an "indiscriminate mass shooter" That particular situation gets ignored by Dems and GOP both, but an automatic weapon is extremely nice to have if you are facing a mob.
#5
Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Republicult™ On Parade
December 12, 2024, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: Brother Mythos on December 05, 2024, 11:16:27 PMIt's a Republicult™ trifecta!

"Is weather modification real? A Florida lawmaker is trying to ban it. What are chemtrails?"

As per this article:

"Miami state Sen. Ileana Garcia has introduced legislation banning "weather modification activities" in Florida.

It is uncertain what actual practice she may be addressing, although the language of the bill and her social media reposts suggest she is seeking to ban "chemtrails," the fear of a long-running conspiracy theory that nefarious people or government agencies are spreading toxic chemicals on an unsuspecting populace through the white trails in the sky left by airplanes.

If SB 56 passes, it would repeal nearly a dozen provisions in Florida statutes that allow state-licensed weather modification such as cloud-seeding to cause rain, block any future innovations, and prohibit the injection, release or dispersion of any substance or apparatus into the atmosphere within Florida's borders "for the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or the intensity of sunlight."

The bill also adds a fine of up to $10,000 for violations.

"As a leader in the community, I'm committed to addressing the real issues affecting our communities," Garcia said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, where she also shared a post from a user praising her bill and pointing out suspicious contrails. "As a mother, daughter, and community member, I care deeply about our neighborhoods.""

Here's the link:   Floriduh, Weather Modification, and Chemtrails Trifecta!

More elected officials should be as "committed to addressing the real issues affecting our communities."

This, combined with actual climate science, would ban internal combustion engines...
#6
Quote from: Brother Mythos on November 11, 2024, 08:17:21 PMSo, I have two (2) questions for you, as follows:

1. How many votes did TSF lose over his own unconditional support for Israel?

2. In the end, what difference did the lose of those votes actually make?

1. looks like about 2 Million

2. It didn't make any difference, because Harris didn't have a better policy.
#7
Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Resistance 2.0!
November 25, 2024, 06:32:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 24, 2024, 12:41:21 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2024, 07:54:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 23, 2024, 04:10:28 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 17, 2024, 02:38:48 AM
Quote from: Brother Mythos on November 17, 2024, 02:07:28 AMBuyer's Remorse Alert! Buyer's Remorse Alert!

"US Muslims Who Voted For Trump Now Upset With His Pro-Israel Cabinet"

"We are very disappointed. It seems like this administration has been packed entirely with neoconservatives and extremely pro-Israel, pro-war people."

I'm really tempted to make more fun of them for the choice they made. But, they were far from being the only group who made that exact same choice, and have already come to regret it.

Here's the link to this article:      US Muslims Who Voted for TSF Now Upset

The Resistance 2.0 is going to have to make contact with, and enlist these people in our cause. And, I don't foresee it being very long before they're ready to disavow the "Dark Side." My hope is that the Democratic Party doesn't simply use them, and then abandon them again.

Of course it will, and it will do the same to you.  If you think the Democrats are a resistance you aren't at all serious about resisting.

I agree with you, but I gotta ask:  Who do you see as the most effective kernel of resistance?

mutual aid, localism, taking care of your neighbors and building in person connections.  That absolutely can include local politicians, but anyone above a municipal or county level is too big to be worth considering.

So, "hunkering down and hoping you're not a target."

 Along with work to help for when you inevitably become one
#8
Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Resistance 2.0!
November 23, 2024, 07:54:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 23, 2024, 04:10:28 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 17, 2024, 02:38:48 AM
Quote from: Brother Mythos on November 17, 2024, 02:07:28 AMBuyer's Remorse Alert! Buyer's Remorse Alert!

"US Muslims Who Voted For Trump Now Upset With His Pro-Israel Cabinet"

"We are very disappointed. It seems like this administration has been packed entirely with neoconservatives and extremely pro-Israel, pro-war people."

I'm really tempted to make more fun of them for the choice they made. But, they were far from being the only group who made that exact same choice, and have already come to regret it.

Here's the link to this article:      US Muslims Who Voted for TSF Now Upset

The Resistance 2.0 is going to have to make contact with, and enlist these people in our cause. And, I don't foresee it being very long before they're ready to disavow the "Dark Side." My hope is that the Democratic Party doesn't simply use them, and then abandon them again.

Of course it will, and it will do the same to you.  If you think the Democrats are a resistance you aren't at all serious about resisting.

I agree with you, but I gotta ask:  Who do you see as the most effective kernel of resistance?

mutual aid, localism, taking care of your neighbors and building in person connections.  That absolutely can include local politicians, but anyone above a municipal or county level is too big to be worth considering.
#9
Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Republicult™ On Parade
November 22, 2024, 05:18:51 PM
I thought he was going to eliminate the DOE? 
#10
Apple Talk / Re: Tales from the Cutting Edge
November 22, 2024, 05:16:20 PM
I am a bit confused by your boss, a dictator has taken power, and that makes her more eager to make weapons?  Isn't that putting weapons at the disposal of the dictator?
#11
Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Resistance 2.0!
November 17, 2024, 02:38:48 AM
Quote from: Brother Mythos on November 17, 2024, 02:07:28 AMBuyer's Remorse Alert! Buyer's Remorse Alert!

"US Muslims Who Voted For Trump Now Upset With His Pro-Israel Cabinet"

"We are very disappointed. It seems like this administration has been packed entirely with neoconservatives and extremely pro-Israel, pro-war people."

I'm really tempted to make more fun of them for the choice they made. But, they were far from being the only group who made that exact same choice, and have already come to regret it.

Here's the link to this article:      US Muslims Who Voted for TSF Now Upset

The Resistance 2.0 is going to have to make contact with, and enlist these people in our cause. And, I don't foresee it being very long before they're ready to disavow the "Dark Side." My hope is that the Democratic Party doesn't simply use them, and then abandon them again.

Of course it will, and it will do the same to you.  If you think the Democrats are a resistance you aren't at all serious about resisting.
#12
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 12, 2024, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 12, 2024, 08:52:27 PMit looks like they lost a lot of votes because Leftists stayed home to me.

The term for this behavior is "being the architect of your own reward."

Well sure, and you can be angry at folks who didn't vote all you want, but that doesn't inspire them to vote.  Meanwhile a candidate that actually speaks to their desires probably would.  Offering to put Republicans in the cabinet, pledging to be the toughest on immigration, and otherwise courting conservatives didn't get any of them to vote for her.
#13
Quote from: Sophia the Altered on November 09, 2024, 05:50:26 AMMaybe it's because I've been warming up to electoral politics the past few months, but I think this is the one time where the democrats didn't really do anything wrong. Her campaign policies on immigration and Gaza were questionable but a lot of exit polls show that Americans didn't give a shit about the border or foreign policy when voting. I genuinely think a lot of them are just too uneducated to know what the fuck they're voting for.

Well, if I had to blame one person for this, it would be Biden. He should've never reran for office in the first place and a primary should've been held. If people didn't want to vote for Kamala, it would've shown there. What's done is done, all that's left to do is to observe what happens next. Personally, I hope it's just another age of filibustering again. The republicans do have everything but it's not by a supermajority so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a government shutdown or two in the next couple of years. But I don't want to imply we're in for smooth sailing, at the very least the government is going to get way more corrupt and fucked up with whoever Drumpf fires and replaces.

I sincerely hope the Democrats filibuster like mad, it's not their style, but it could happen.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 10, 2024, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 10, 2024, 06:02:37 PMI think a big part of the problem is the lack of real progressive messaging in the media, which seem to mostly represent corporate interests and, you know, Putin.

And even then, part of the problem with what little independent progressive media that is out there, is that the progressive message tends to be complex and nuanced, and it turns out we really need the votes of some 15 million or so people who are maybe not so good at processing that kind of information.

Progressives make up 30% of dems.  Blue dog dems make up another 30%, and 40% are your bedrock liberals that aren't opposed.

So what happens when you take the party too left, you get ~ 70-80% of your voters showing up and then you're fucked because the MAGA assholes run off with everything.

I'm
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 10, 2024, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 10, 2024, 06:02:37 PMI think a big part of the problem is the lack of real progressive messaging in the media, which seem to mostly represent corporate interests and, you know, Putin.

And even then, part of the problem with what little independent progressive media that is out there, is that the progressive message tends to be complex and nuanced, and it turns out we really need the votes of some 15 million or so people who are maybe not so good at processing that kind of information.

Progressives make up 30% of dems.  Blue dog dems make up another 30%, and 40% are your bedrock liberals that aren't opposed.

So what happens when you take the party too left, you get ~ 70-80% of your voters showing up and then you're fucked because the MAGA assholes run off with everything.

I'm not wild about it, but we just saw it happen.

Well, that and the bullshit economy thing.
not wild about it, but we just saw it happen.

Well, that and the bullshit economy thing.

You think the Democrats moved too far left?  That's not my perception at all, it looks like they lost a lot of votes because Leftists stayed home to me.
#14
Quote from: Sophia the Altered on November 09, 2024, 05:50:26 AMMaybe it's because I've been warming up to electoral politics the past few months, but I think this is the one time where the democrats didn't really do anything wrong. Her campaign policies on immigration and Gaza were questionable but a lot of exit polls show that Americans didn't give a shit about the border or foreign policy when voting. I genuinely think a lot of them are just too uneducated to know what the fuck they're voting for.

Well, if I had to blame one person for this, it would be Biden. He should've never reran for office in the first place and a primary should've been held. If people didn't want to vote for Kamala, it would've shown there. What's done is done, all that's left to do is to observe what happens next. Personally, I hope it's just another age of filibustering again. The republicans do have everything but it's not by a supermajority so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a government shutdown or two in the next couple of years. But I don't want to imply we're in for smooth sailing, at the very least the government is going to get way more corrupt and fucked up with whoever Drumpf fires and replaces.

I sincerely hope the Democrats filibuster like mad, it's not their style, but it could happen.
#15
Quote from: Brother Mythos on November 08, 2024, 11:13:48 PM5. Negative campaigns are extremely effective. Running a positive campaign achieves no more than does "Preaching to the choir."

Don't believe me? Then, consider giving some thought to how well the "When they go low, we go high" strategy worked out for the Democratic Party.

If they'd gone high, with real proposals that helped the working class, they'd have won, but they're too indebted to corporations, and Israel, and can't support policy that would piss those folks off, so they don't get widespread support.

In this case it really wasn't that folks like Trump, he got less votes than he did when he lost in 2020, it was that folks really didn't like Harris.  her support for Israel kept a lot of folks home, and campaigning with Republicans, and pledging to put them in the cabinet, lost her more.  Until Democrats realize they can't win conservatives over, and they need to work to inspire the left, they will keep losing.