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#31
Yea, to me that sounds like slave-laughter.

http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/18aparable.html

The last line is peak laughter.

I'm inclined to agree with Howard. The only thing I would add is just that the pool of people who make those steps shrink rapidly at each step,  and those are only the first two.
#32
Healthy laughter can follow after that
#33
I guess you could say I do have an ethical problem if this is the shit you find humorous. That's fear induced laughter. Violence seems way more appropriate.
#34
That's what I said. Asinine rebuttals man
#35
I already got the mystery box. Trump's Presidency was in there along with your rebuttals.
#36
I wasn't criticizing you junkenstein. I was responding to the phenomenon Nigel outlined. Afterall, you claimed that's not what you were doing, right...?
#37
I concur. Then when you get spectators reacting as though the person just "scored a point" by making these asinine statements, that is the icing on cake.
#38
This happens on reddit all the time. It's quite a pet peeve of mine.

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#39
There's that, and that it also goes beyond self-defense. The important question is, if a human being can be considered a sovereignty unto themselves, What are the powers of the sovereign?
#40
It's basically the cornerstone of freedom, followed by dominion over what you own and produce, followed by the authority of the state to tax all of the above. Conservatives tout this all the time, just as it pertains to every other conceivable phenomena.
#41
Sovereignty over your person
#42
Quote from: PoFP on April 18, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on April 18, 2017, 10:20:27 PM
Suppose your argument rests upon the viability of the of the fetus apart from the mother. Babies are being born with the ability to survive premature birth because of technology. Has the child's viability increased? It is obviously conceivable that further advances can reduce this length of time to the point that a just-fertilized egg could be transferred to a machine. The viability argument fails at this time, if the mother would otherwise choose to terminate the pregnancy.

Growing the fetus in another vessel does not make it less or more autocatalytic at any stage in the development. When it's capable of being detached from a vessel that supports its growth, and is able to continue that growth and development with its own systems and external food/energy molecules, it is autocatalytic. Whether or not that vessel is alive is irrelevant.

So is whether the organism is autocatalytic important to you? Is this what distinguishes viability from non-viability?
#43
Suppose your argument rests upon the viability of the of the fetus apart from the mother. Babies are being born with the ability to survive premature birth because of technology. Has the child's viability increased? It is obviously conceivable that further advances can reduce this length of time to the point that a just-fertilized egg could be transferred to a machine. The viability argument fails at this time, if the mother would otherwise choose to terminate the pregnancy.
#44
Viability outside of the womb is not the end all be all of personhood and moral status.
#45
Not necessarily lmno, value debate has been happening forever. You just have to show how your value supercedes and/or subsumes their own position. Or,  how their value is better served or maximized by your position.

Unfortunately it's just difficult to top babylivesmatter. Freedom? Something else? It'll have to be something else, maybe something we've yet to conceive.