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Show posts MenuQuote from: Doktor Howl on July 16, 2019, 04:33:02 AMDon't you worry, carbon detector will be viable after everyone important switches to a metal body!
3. Carbon firearms set off no metal detectors.
Quote from: nullified on July 09, 2019, 09:14:00 PMHear me out!
It's shitty bait anyway. They deserve to know just how dumb they are.
No, you may not change your mind because everything is fucking chemicals. Your goddamn hands are chemicals. There's no natural substitute for chemicals because everything tangible that we interact with on the regular is chemicals. Including any and all natural substances. Banning all chemical substances is as impossible as banning time. No matter how hard you make believe, it's still there and will always still be there.
Quote from: nullified on July 09, 2019, 04:25:10 PMMay I switch sides and propose we prohibit ALL chemical products, as there are plenty of natural alternatives?
So, I might be rushing this. If there are mistakes, please poke at them but don't burn me to the ground. I'm busy today and I'll correct my slips given a chance.
There are a few problems when people bring up chemical weapons. These are problems that are mostly issues with not helping to propagate bad signal, rather than moral or logical ones, but those issues leave open great honking logical holes anyway.
First of all, the difference between a chemical that is a weapon and a chemical that is not is so small as to be invisible. Let's take an example so crazy it can't be weaponized, despite attempts by multiple world powers during wartime.
Fluorine gas will, in short order: set a car's paint on fire, set the metal the paint is on on fire, set the interior and the people within on fire, fill those people and every moist surface available with hydrofluoric acid, and poison everything full of hydrofluoric acid with around 25 different metabolic poisons that we know of — for starters. Fluorine gas has a chemical formula of F. Trying to regulate chemicals on the basis of fluorine gas would lead to banning either all single-element chemicals, all chemicals containing fluorine, or both. Both single element chemicals and fluorine compounds are absolutely necessary for modern living, and single element chemicals have always been so.
It's easy to say that you could base your criteria on reactivity, or on successful weaponization. Reactivity is a no-go, that bans fucking water. And hydrochloric acid, which is in your stomach now, for that matter. And a billion chemicals used in all manner of synthesis. Successful weaponization is a stupid idea too. That leads to bans after the fact, it's as ineffective as drug prohibition. I sure don't want designer chemwar.
You could talk about classes of compounds. No one would seriously help you there, though. There's almost no visible difference between a given compound that kills, and a totally inert counterpart. We can't even predict that a given analogue for a given chemical will work, we have to test it. Broader classes than that would prohibit natural chemicals in our own bodies and thousands of drugs and industrial chemicals.
Then you can come back to chemicals that have ever been tested for weaponization, or been successfully weaponized. Aside from the ineffectiveness, there's a second issue.
Phosgene is used in industrial synthesis.
Chlorine gas is a weapon of war that cleans our pools.
Mustard gas gave rise to a whole class of chemotherapy drugs.
Sarin was an accidental discovery while producing organophosphate pesticides. I'm pretty sure it or a close relative is a natural byproduct of synthesis for modern pesticides as well.
Ricin is produced by fucking castor beans.
Attempting to ban chemical weapon production for ANY purpose is like saying that we should discard all our aerospace medical knowledge because it's based in Nazi human experimentation. Where it is feasible, it hamstrings us. And it is almost never feasible. Rather, you should ban weaponizing chemicals, period. If this seems to hamstring the engines of warfare, then fucking good.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 08, 2019, 11:55:13 PMYes! I love violence. Espcially against the people who threaten to use it on me and my friends!Quote from: TastyCle on July 08, 2019, 02:16:27 PMQuote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 08, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead. X2
He was a skinhead
And nobody sorry
No political platform for
The fascist scum
Think they want some
So here it comes
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2
I can see you're angry
Well I can show thee
Milkshakes that kill proud boys
They're not store bought
Just don't get caught
Mask up if you're smart
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2
How can that person be so wrong,
their mind so weak, their will so strong.
Making them to think is tough,
brainwashing isn't good enough.
They are bad and they are scary.
You too should become wary.
Things they're fearing make no sense
so we'll turn to violence.
Violence has its place. Leaving fascists unbeaten is not a virtue.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 08, 2019, 03:17:53 PMOn my way to the hostile territory. Wish that I get hit by a hydrogen bomb while over there!Quote from: TastyCle on July 08, 2019, 01:50:49 PM
Ok, if I'm an irritating prick who'd probably do the movement more harm than good, is it better if I join the nazis?
No, it's better if you spend your time annoying the shit out of the nazis. Call them a bunch of cousin fuckers and ask if their helmets keep out the messages from the government.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on July 08, 2019, 02:17:12 PMThat depends on the scale difference. Nowadays we tend to protect the miniscule amount of space tribes still inhabit. Aliens who could colonize us have probably no interest to.Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 08, 2019, 05:20:42 AM
One of the many things that I find fascinating about humans is the weird idea that we must be savages compared to alien civilizations, when we might very well be the most advanced species in the galaxy and that's why we haven't heard anything yet.
If we buy the argument made by that copernican method guy in the next thread over, half the alien civilizations should be ahead of us, and the other half behind.
But matters of probability aside, fantasizing about aliens that are more advanced than us is simply more interesting than the alternative. We've already met aliens that were less advanced than us. We generally kill a bunch of them, take their stuff, colonize their land, and then civilize them. Been there, done that.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 08, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead. X2
He was a skinhead
And nobody sorry
No political platform for
The fascist scum
Think they want some
So here it comes
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2
I can see you're angry
Well I can show thee
Milkshakes that kill proud boys
They're not store bought
Just don't get caught
Mask up if you're smart
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 08, 2019, 04:48:31 AMWait, I'm not unique? Who was it? WHO STOLE MY PERSONALITY?Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on July 05, 2019, 02:23:15 PMQuote from: TastyCle on July 05, 2019, 07:23:21 AMOf course you did. You skipped past most of them. I don't think you understand that a random response does not constitute an argument. But I hate repeating myself in a written forum, and it's not as if I could compel you to answer, anyway.Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 04, 2019, 10:00:09 PMCome on, I didn't even bypass their points!
Okay, written off.
Regardless, I've come to a pretty good understanding of how you think, so there's no point in my spending any more time on you.
I keep forgetting that you're not an old-timer here. When this board was cooking, we'd get three new guys like this per week.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on July 05, 2019, 03:24:37 PMhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EristicQuote from: Team player on July 05, 2019, 02:47:12 PMIs it just me, or do people who tout their capacity to think for themselves usually just turn out to be the type to reject any external evidence that contradicts their internally developed preconceptions?
as a person who is able to think for himself
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on July 05, 2019, 02:23:15 PMOh that was an argument? I thought you just randomly picked on my irresponible choice of words, and started accusing me of being a mass murderer. I just try to defend myself but as I haven't been coached on the correct way to argue, all I can do is to spew bullshit. Besides admitting being wrong of course, but that would've been BORING.Quote from: TastyCle on July 05, 2019, 07:23:21 AMOf course you did. You skipped past most of them. I don't think you understand that a random response does not constitute an argument. But I hate repeating myself in a written forum, and it's not as if I could compel you to answer, anyway.Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 04, 2019, 10:00:09 PMCome on, I didn't even bypass their points!
Okay, written off.
Regardless, I've come to a pretty good understanding of how you think, so there's no point in my spending any more time on you.