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end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)

I was kinda picturing a huge big globulent mass of biology throbbing and pulsating across the whole of infinity but, yeah, that'd be cool too.

I don't have any problem with it. In fact I'd like to see the end result.

[NOT]

Then again, I do feel rather strongly that the "salvation by space colonization" arguement is bullshit.

Yes, it's bullshit, that's why no real student of the subject suggests that.  Not me, not Freeman Dyson, Bob Zubrin or anyone else.  They and I are optimists and don't piss puerile misanthropy under the banner of a goddess of chaos.  Sure, people do plenty of hideous stuff.  Einstein treated women like crap and raged against quantum theory.  But this is no reason to say humans shouldn't reproduce, but I realize you were NOT just sayin' that.

The idea behind space colonization is not to "evacuate Earth" or some tripe.  Africa wasn't evacuated when humans spread over the rest of the Earth.  However, humans and our descendant species might be living in places other than a vulnerable blue speck in the far future.

Just think about the first unicellular organisms that all life on this planet descended from moving out of primordial tidal pools, if that helps any.

So, then, what is the real aim/purpose of space colonization?

Because, to me, and I admit I could be totally misguided, it's all about "because we might be able to"  (notice I didn't say, "because we can", NASA's track record isn't good enough to warrant that meme)

It's the viral will of the dna molecule to spread everywhere. Humanity is merely one, semi successful, conscious wing of that movement. The insects will prolly employ their usual sneak tactic and hide in some food or something and we'll take a bunch of animals and plants with us as part of the biosphere. DNA will not stop until it covers and fills every square millimeter of the universe or it gets wiped out.

Maybe the point is to grow out of this selfishness?

To what? Hivethink?

hivethink?

Sounded right at the time.

maybe

or to acknowledge that selfishness involves living in a fertile place where living things can thrive

and that aiming to be supremely selfish will have the indirect by-product of benefitting everything else that lives around you


selfish is usually seen as 'bad' - thats because the type of selfishness these days that sees people 'succeed' has the by-product of abusing and oppressing

on a long-term scale - that type of selfishness is self-destructive (and the result of a distorted understanding of the process at work)

Well spotted. Nothing wrong with selfishness if it's done properly.

Wasn't built in? LHX, man, have you ever SEEN how a baby acts? ALL of its actions are out of self importance.

lol
precisely yo

there is no exaggeration there, and the baby doesnt represent it as being something other than what it is

there is no exaggerated sense of self-importance

Oh, I get you now. The babies self importance is a sincere, natural, and needed self importance, whereas exagerated self importance comes later.

Its only later in their lives that they are able to expand that sense of self to other people, and beyond. But otherwise we all start out as selfish, winey little fucks.

we still are selfish

but we also learn to be afraid of things that dont exist and desire things that cannot be obtained

thats where our selfishness gets messy
thats where we start interrupting each other

Maybe the point is to grow out of this selfishness?

To what? Hivethink?

anti-belief belief system FTW ITT

that would be discordianism then

or antidesdiscordimentarianism

Discord the word suggests to me that our dogma should forever remain at loggerheads with each other and therefore never canonised. So far it's the only phrase in it's class that I'm willing to describe myself as adhering to since it implies the antithesis of aherence. Even things like nihillism and solipsism (which I keep getting accused of quite frequently) aren't terms I would adopt in describing my own personal anti-belief, belief system.

I'm not at liberty to comment.

That's not what I heard...

Yuo got served!

I SWEAR TO GAWD YOUR AVATAR IS MAKING ME LOSE SLEEP.

Been saying so for weeks but oh no ... y'all knew better

  Perfect!

Heh, it's funny how some people who shouldn't reproduce do.

That kid is going to turn out just fine. 

You really never can tell but you sure as hell can stack the odds.

Here's a notion:

Humanity gets to a point where it is satisfied and stops "advancing."

Possible?

Probably not. 

I wonder if that is as deeply ingrained in us as our very DNA itself.

Naw, you have.

The people on this forum, at least, are very integrated in showing others how to take their cells apart.  Which bricks are the weakest.  Which of them you can pull out with your pinky fingers.  Which  need a sledgehammer to remove.

Yeah, you guys have offered the tools alright.

That's the easy bit. Telling them what to do next is downright dangerous. Cults get started that way. Fuck 'em they're on their own - same as we were. But hey, we're still here innit?

One possible freedom paradigm:

1) You can only free your mind. Your body remains in jail.

2) It's not only jail if you think it is: Before you free your mind you don't even know it is. But it is.

3) Once you free your mind you can, to an greater extent, decide for yourself if is or not.

Or:

1) Jail holds body - body holds mind

2) Mind leaves body - mind leaves jail

...OR...



Order and Disorder balance, right?  The structured order of words inside the poetry of ee cummings, et al.

So, when you break down all walls, you've removed all structures you can control.  So, what do you do?  Where do you go?  You've essentially obiterated all internal aspects of reality.  In order to function in the external reality, you need to rebuild.

Only this time, you can draw up the blueprints.

I was going to post a reply there but yours is better worded :-D

I think where I was going with the moon thing, before we got into teh 'how reality works' issues. Is that it's something you can opt to do. By sync-ing whichever aspects of your psyche or physiology with the lunar cycle you break down your existence to 28-day patterns of activity and rest & recouperation. I never said it wasn't a conscious decision. My first post on the subject stated that I used to use it. If you are into developing yourself or your situation, according to any kind of practical margiquile system then it will follow that there will be periods of 'work', balanced with periods of calm and reflection. In simplest terms you think/do a thing then you let it sink in.

The moon is merely a tried and tested 'status bar' to work with. Of course saying it the way I did is much more open to being taken the wrong way. Gonna have to try and keep a lid on this but sometimes I can't help myself. Sorry for whole debacle but it was entertaining no? At least I learned some quantum physics stuff out of it if nothing else.